Re: Clarius

["James Henstridge" <james jamesh id au>]

On 30/08/06, Thomas Wood <thos gnome org> wrote:
> > Scenario 2) I go to use another machine that's mounting
> > the same NFS home directory, or is otherwise getting the
> > same GConf values.  This machine is running Gnome 2.14,
> > which doesn't include Clarius.
>
> The same thing would happen if you went to a machine running a Gnome
> version prior to that which Clearlooks was available in. Or if you
> selected a theme that you have installed locally, or any other
> combination of possibilities. I think it is slightly unreasonable to
> assume we can never add new themes.

Just because we've done things that make using multiple Gnome versions
difficult in the past doesn't mean we should repeat them now.


> > Interim 2) I utter some choice words and post a flame to
> > Slashdot and/or OSNews.  I go to the theme manager and
> > change my theme back to Clearlooks.
> >
> > Scenario 3) I go back to do some work on the machine that's
> > running Gnome 2.16.  See scenario 1.
>
> It's running Clearlooks, but with a slightly "updated" appearance.
>
> >
> > Friends don't let friends churn keys.
>
> I know several people have already pointed out the relevant points about
> the change, but I just want to reassure you I did consider these
> scenarios before I made the changes.
>
> There were several reasons for the change. Firstly, I wanted to make
> sure we didn't go through "appearance churn". The new cairo based
> clearlooks engine provides several changes to the UI. I wanted to make
> the 2.16 appearance more consistent with the 2.14 appearance. I also had
> several people mention to me that they did not want Gnome to go down the
> "glossy appearance" route. It was therefore critical that the glossy
> scrollbars were toned down before the release. Unfortunately I was under
> the impression that I made this change before the UI freeze, which I now
> realise was incorrect. Secondly, the change did not affect any
> translatable strings, so I assumed it did not affect the string freeze.
>
> The reason I felt it necessary to make our own gtk+ theme (in
> gnome-themes, rather than relying on the one provided by gtk-engines),
> is that we probably will want to make more conservative changes in the
> future than the author of Clearlooks wants to make.
>
> Having spoken to Richard about this problem (unfortunately he has been
> very busy and we didn't get a chance to discuss it before), he seems
> willing to keep the Clearlooks gtkrc as conservative as Gnome wants it,
> and put more exciting changes into a separate gtkrc. With the permission
> of the release team, I would be happy to revert the changes, and change
> the one line that makes the scrollbars blue in the Clearlooks gtkrc.

If the theme author is okay with it, this sounds like it would make
everyone happy.

James.