I think that Eugenia only wants to be able to right-click a contact in her gaim window, and then click "Start AV session". Why isn't this doable? Or perhaps Eugenia wants to click a checkbox in her gaim conversation window, and have a small video window appear above the chat area. This is harder. But still doable. El mié, 10-12-2003 a las 18:35, Christopher Warner escribió: > Ugh, the problem is this, your analysis is just completely incorrect > even this response doesn't get it. > > GnomeMeeting is like a regular telephone except that instead of dialing > a phone number you dial an IP. That is how GnomeMeeting works, it uses > Openh323 to provide Voice Over Internet Protocol capability. > > With this it also allows you to transfer audio AND video which your > current phone isn't able to do. That's GnomeMeeting in a nut shell and I > plan to take the time to explore all the different ways one can use it > and then document them. As of right now there are people using > GnomeMeeting to make long distance calls, dialing normal telephones, > conferencing, p2p chatting etc etc. > > What you are looking for is integration with incompatible, proprietary > protocols that no one knows anything about and no one cares to know > about as they're proprietary. This is opensource, it would be idiotic to > base future communications on a proprietary protocol which is what > Yahoo, Aol, iChat, Messenger, Skype do. It prevents people from > communicating and talking to one another, such as you're experiencing > right now with your brother. > > When you pick up the telephone you hear a dialtone, it works like that > mostly everywhere in the world. It's simple, GnomeMeeting is that phone, > GnomeMeeting is that dialtone and when you press those numbers > GnomeMeeting is the software that will allow communication with the > party you are trying to reach. So long as there is a phone at the other > end you don't have to worry about anything else. > > I don't think anyone involved with GnomeMeeting would want to involve > themselves with barring you from communication with your brother such as > Messenger has. It's a sad state of affair but to compromise the future > of communication to try and work with some proprietary protocol isn't on > the top of anyones list. > > As for integration, there are several ways to get GnomeMeeting to work > with gaim but you still won't be able to call your brother until he gets > an h323 compliant phone. You can't just rip out the GnomeMeeting engine > and get it working with proprietary protocols and personally I'm sick of > people trying to control when, who and how I'll communicate with > someone. However, you're free to try. > > As for you finding it useless; It's not anyone's fault you aren't > thinking creatively enough to find other uses. You just don't see the > uses for GnomeMeeting now because the VoIP market is still young I > guess, or, it hasn't been marketed and shrink wrapped but you will and > when you do. GnomeMeeting will be there. > > On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 18:01, Eugenia Loli-Queru wrote: > > Damien, > > thank you for the clarification. > > My point on the article was that I am looking for an IM app that can > > interoperated with Windows IM solutions in the video area as well as in the > > text chat area. My suggestion was that if this can come true by using your > > engine inside another app (e.g. Gaim), I am all for it. But if you can > > integrate GM into Gaim (or the other way around), even better. That was my > > point, even if it might not have come out very clear. There was no "FUD" > > going on, you seem to over-analyze some things. > > > > My article was simply a wish list. As a PC user I have simple wishes or > > needs, but VoIP is not one of them. However, video chatting with my brother > > in Greece, whom I love dearly and I don't get the chance to see him much, is > > what I need. Most Greeks don't have the money to buy Macs (too expensive > > over there) and so iChat and iSight are out of the question (plus it > > requires stupid amounts of bandwidth that the greek > > "high-speed-only-in-name" Internet simply can't serve well). He uses MSN > > Messenger with a $30 USB camera in an old K6 laptop I gave him last year, > > still running Win98SE (Linux w/ Gnome2 would be too slow on that machine, > > plus he doesn't have a clue how to use Linux). Most people are still on > > Windows with Win98 or ME. As Gnome is a desktop system, I need > > interoperation with these system. GM might be great for VoIP, but in my case > > (and I guess for a lot of other people who live abroad and are far away from > > friends and family), it is mostly useless. > > > > Please note, I am not trying to slap your project or any other project > > (well, maybe just Glade which I really don't like ;-). GM *is* one of the > > best X applications out there, I was clear about this on my first review of > > GM last week. GM is really well done, and congratulations for this. But > > speaking personally, as a Gnome user, it just doesn't do what I need it to > > do. It does well other things (e.g. VoIP, Linux user video chatting), but > > not what I need it to do (MSN, iChat and maybe Y! video interoperation). And > > hence my "wish" on that article. You don't have to take it to heart. It was > > a personal wish list, not an attack to anyone. Everyone's got their little > > wishes when using software, ranging from useless little things like color > > preferences to major feature requests. I am no exception. > > > > Best regards, > > Eugenia > > > > ps. On a related note, I replied to Ross on his reply to my article on his > > blog: > > http://www.burtonini.com/cgi/pyblosxom.cgi/computers/gnome-wishlist-pah-20031210 > > It should clear up some misconceptions readers have regarding this article > > of mine. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Damien Sandras" <dsandras seconix com> > > Cc: <gnomemeeting-devel-list gnome org>; <gnomemeeting-list gnome org>; > > <desktop-devel-list gnome org> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:16 AM > > Subject: You are missing the point > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gnomemeeting-devel-list mailing list > > Gnomemeeting-devel-list gnome org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnomemeeting-devel-list > > -- Christopher Warner > [KC] http://www.kernelcode.com > > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list gnome org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list -- Manuel Amador Jefe de I+D Amauta +593 (9) 847-7372 GPG key ID: keyserver.net C1033CAD
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