Re: Minutes of Gnome 2 release team meeting (late): 2002-05-17
- From: James Henstridge <james daa com au>
- To: Jens Finke <jens triq net>
- Cc: Mikael Hallendal <micke codefactory se>, Malcolm Tredinnick <malcolm commsecure com au>, GNOME Hackers <gnome-hackers gnome org>, GNOME Desktop Devel <desktop-devel-list gnome org>
- Subject: Re: Minutes of Gnome 2 release team meeting (late): 2002-05-17
- Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:32:53 +0800
Jens Finke wrote:
Have you tried installing the docbook DTD and XSLT packages available
from the scrollkeeper project webpages? Many people have found them to
work quite well. You can download them from here:
On 28 May 2002, Mikael Hallendal wrote:
Heh, if all of this has to be done something is wrong (you also have to care
about the fact that the user might very well have the xmlcatalog file in
his $HOME). So just checking /etc/xml/catalog will not be enough.
Since we _DO_ depend on a specific version of the xsl stylesheets I see
nothing wrong in shipping them with Yelp and _not_ have the user care
about executing all those two commands (which will make absolutely zero
sense to most users).
Instead they will just have a working help system, without having to
bother at all.
At least that is my idea of user friendly. I mean, why should the help
system be the part that the user has to get there hands dirty to set up,
then we are very far from the usability track we are aiming at.
Please do it so. IMO it's the only approach which makes sense in this
whole thread. I've never got a working help on my system so far, but a
helpsystem should just work out of the box regardless of the distribution
the user has installed.
They _should_ make it very easy to get a working docbook/xml setup. You
could try some of Malcolm's tests after doing the install to verify that
they are installed correctly.
In my opinion, if a program says "please include the contents of the
stylesheet available at http://...", I would expect it to do go out onto
the internet to fetch it. The XML catalog is simply a cache for XML
resources such as DTDs and stylesheets, so that they don't need to be
downloaded. If you want to make sure that you only access local files
when processing a document, then don't use http:// urls for the
resources you use (use file:// ones instead). You lose the system
independence by using local paths, but you know it won't make a network
request for the file.
Maybe it would be nice if libxml could dynamically build a cache of such
resources (download files to somewhere and add pointers to a per user
catalog file for them). That would be the other way around the slowdown
on broken systems (so that it would only be slow once).
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