Re: Changing Yelp to use GtkHtml1 instead of GtkHtml2

[John Fleck <jfleck inkstain net>]

Wow. Sorry I escalated this into a flame fest. Sander, sorry for the
intemperate language.[1]

So we've got a relatively straightforward technical question here:

Does Yelp need CSS to properly display help files? 

Sander's views are the only ones I care about, since he's the one trying
to make the whole stylesheet thing work, so I guess the answer is "no,
we don't need CSS".

Do I have this right? Is there something we're missing, like a possible
need for CSS to provide a11y for the help?

Cheers,

John

[1] /me sends Sander a bouquet of virtual flowers

On Sat, 2002-05-04 at 14:09, Sander Vesik wrote:
> On 4 May 2002, John Fleck wrote:
> 
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > I detect sarcasm in your question, but sarcasm doesn't particularly move
> > > > the discussion forward as much as simple declarative sentences full of
> > > > information might.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Sarcasm? no, definately not. It is very good to hear that CSS is a small
> > > price to pay, so we can discard it and I need no longer worry about any
> > > rendering details. I just need a pointer to that magical thing that will
> > > make this true so I can hack on all the non-help-related fun things in my
> > > free time.
> > > 
> > 
> > Sander, you need to cut this crap out.
> > 
> 
> There is no crap - its true. 
> 
> > >From IRC earlier today:
> > 
> > <sander> I really hate it if people say 'not having CSS is a small price
> > to pay'
> > 
> 
> I also hate it when people say 'all use of nuclear power must end',
> 'GM crops will end world hunger' or 'Amiga is the only real computer'.
> And i hate all the other broad sweeping unqualified statements aswell.
> 
> > So in one place you say you hate it, and in another place you say, with
> > apparent sarcasm, that it is "good to hear." Be direct. Say what you
> > mean. Your sarcasm is just flamage that wastes valuable time.
> 
> Having to figure out the 100% correct, just works, meets all visual
> requirements CSS code is not exactly trivial, esp. if I can't rely on it
> being nice for just me or just discard all acessability requirements. So
> yes, I would very much like to have something that just works.
> 
> I am saying what I mean.
> 
> > This is a simple technical issue that needs to be discussed. Either:
> > 
> > a) CSS is unimportant because we do not need to use it in Yelp, or
> > b) CSS is important because we need to use it in Yelp.
> > 
> 
> We don't need CSS in yelp - at least as far as i know. We need the
> combination of yelp and the stylesheet to diplay all the content correctly
> and be acessible. I have no grounds to claim that this means we must have
> CSS support in the html widget used by yelp.
> 
> > Going through the pros and cons of this is important in order to make
> > this decision.
> > 
> > All you need to do is explain why you think "b" is the right answer (at
> > least I think that's what you think - you've left me guessing). It's
> > very likely I and many other people would agree with you, and the
> > question could be settled.
> > 
> 
> I'm not claiming b) is the right answer. 
> 
> I'm also by now fairly certain I don't really care one way or the other.
> 
> > Regards,
> > John
> > -- 
> > John Fleck
> > jfleck inkstain net (h) jfleck abqjournal com (w)
> > http://www.inkstain.net http://www.abqjournal.com
> > 
> > "You don't want to die with the music still in you."
> >  - John Gardner
> > 
> 
> 	Sander
> 
> 	I see a dark sail on the horizon
> 	Set under a dark cloud that hides the sun
> 	Bring me my Broadsword and clear understanding
> 
> 
-- 
John Fleck
jfleck inkstain net (h) jfleck abqjournal com (w)
http://www.inkstain.net http://www.abqjournal.com

"You don't want to die with the music still in you."
 - John Gardner