Re: who gets in and why, aka the GNOME Desktop inclusion criteria

[Luis Villa <louie ximian com>]

On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 21:41, Ali Akcaagac wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 02:53, Luis Villa wrote:
> > *UI: 
> > 
> > the hackers should cooperate as much as possible with the UI team to
> > improve the general usability of the app. This might be expected to
> > minimally include (but is certainly not limited to) UI issues like GNOME
> > look and feel, HIG compliance, careful choice of default settings, and
> > clean interface design. [HIG is at
> > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/ ]
> 
> > Anyway, so, that's what we're thinking :) hope it clarifies things a
> > bit. Comments and thoughts, as always, welcome.

<snip>

While you have some interesting (and I feel valid) points, Ali, what
does it have to do with my email? This document is not about setting
GNOME's UI standards- it's about following the agreed-upon standards. If
you have a problem with those (and like I said, I believe you have some
legitimate gripes) this is not the thread to be addressing them in.

Luis

> please allow my comment on this criteria. i followed the discussion
> about the HIG for a couple of days now. i read the replies of the kde
> usability team on their mailinglist and finally there are my own
> personal opinion about things.
> 
> as much as i like gnome 2 there are still some issues with it that i
> personally don't like. as you may read the kde people's opinion, one of
> the worst decission is the button re-ordering which i personally don't
> like in gnome 2 now.
> 
> personally i use computers for over 22 years now. this includes systems
> like amiga (till 1996), windows, os2 and linux. last named one is my
> default system after i left the amiga system. i can says myself that i
> look back to a long year of practical experience with these systems (as
> probably many others here do too). personally in all the years i am
> using a GUI like system i am used to the button ordering as they were
> (are) used on amigaos, windows, kde and gnome 1.4. i am finding myself
> totally confused the first time i used gnome 2.0 with these new arranged
> buttons. to say it i am not really happy with that. i heard many
> arguments from different people in the gnome channel who said that this
> way is the correct way. unfortunately i need to agree to some of the kde
> peoples replies which contained sentences like 'correct way of whom'. i
> realized over the time that a lot of people who are working with gnome
> and on gnome are people that also use macintosh with macosx. so i can
> understand why they think this is the right way. personally i see this
> different so i don't share this opinion. look at all the applications
> outside. apps that are written already, apps that probably won't get
> maintained anymore but we still need to deal with. gnome 2 will
> practically explode like a bomb if it continues behaving that way.
> 
> as far as i understand it is that seth is trying to get the kde people
> used to the HIG and that there are plans to use one standard HIG for
> both desktops so we (the users) are getting consistences over both
> desktops.
> 
> but what about the users ?...
> 
> i am quite sure that there are a lot of gnome 2 users out, that probably
> share my opinion here. many of these users are happy gnome 1.4 users and
> probably many of them are still using it because it is cool. over time i
> talked with many people about gnome 2 where many pointed out different
> things (including the new buttonorder) besides other stuff that they
> don't like.
> 
> look i really like gnome 2. i also like a consistent gnome which has
> pixel exact layout of buttons etc. i am also willing to take limitations
> from things that i was used to for many years. i am also trying to
> contribute myself to the gnome community by helping with my abillities.
> but i don't like to be enforced to follow the HIG. following the HIG is
> like saying "i agree with everything in it... which i don't".
> 
> please excuse if i write my thoughts about it that way. i also hope you
> don't mark this as "don't feed the trolls". in the past i often realized
> that opinions of others (primarily outstanding persons) that do not
> reflect the opinions of those working ON gnome will be marked that way.
> 
> maybe we wait what come out with the discussion between the kde people
> and the gnome people.. in the comming weeks, maybe there are chances
> that some stuff in the HIG get changed again.
> 
> thank you for reading my opinion,
> 
> ali akcaagac
> 
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