[Deskbar] Fwd: Punt DA to 2.18, NewStuffManager as a separate module in GNOME 2.18??

[Raphaël Slinckx <raphael slinckx net>]

Forgot to send to d-a-l, forwarding..

Thanks for all your work while i'm away starting my life in stockholm !
Raf

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> From: Raphaël Slinckx <raphael slinckx net>
> Date: Wed 2 Aug 2006 19:38:28 GMT+02:00
> To: Sebastian Pölsterl <marduk k-d-w org>
> Subject: Re: [Deskbar] Punt DA to 2.18, NewStuffManager as a  
> separate module in GNOME 2.18??
>
> Quickly, because i just arrived to sweden and i'm not on any kind  
> of proper connection:
>
> No don't hold deskbar 2.14 as the new 2.16
>
> If necessary just make the NSM buttons in the UI insensitive or  
> (better) just remove them by notificating the desktop-team and any  
> other teams necessary.
>
> There are so much patches that have gone in 2.16 that it's  
> unacceptable not to release it (with NSM disabled/removed)
>
> And also if someone can do it, see and review the handlers we ship  
> in the tarball, and add/remove some.
>
> Thanks a lot
> Raf.
>
> On 02 Aug 2006, at 10:08, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote:
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> > Nigel Tao wrote:
> > > Here's some points that I'm writing down before I forget, and maybe
> > > I'll add some more later.
> > >
> > > * NewStuffManager (henceforth NSM) is pretty cool.  People are  
> > > liking
> > > the idea, and e.g. Epiphany folks are interested in using it.
> > >
> > > * I still have security concerns about the current  
> > > implementation, and
> > > these concerns will not be resolved by the 2.16 time frame.
> > You're absolutly right. We have to think the security issue over.
> >
> > > * Somebody suggested that NSM is quite similar to KDE's Get Hot New
> > > Stuff (http://dot.kde.org/1110652641/).  Perhaps we should  
> > > collaborate
> > > / merge / get funky under the freedesktop.org umbrella.
> > I only had a brief look at it. Seems to me that it's intended to be a
> > platform for sharing documents. Not exactly what we have in mind.
> >
> > > * We are in 2.16 UI Freeze and approaching String Freeze.  Messing
> > > around with the preferences dialog at this point will break these
> > > freezes.
> > Ah, I didn't know that. Therefore, work on NSM should be almost  
> > done :/
> >
> > > * One option is to punt all this new goodness for another 6 months
> > > (GNOME 2.18) to really make this puppy shine (and to get out of
> > > freeze).  On the downside, this would mean that there's nothing  
> > > new in
> > > stable deskbar-applet for another 6 months.
> > Sounds somewhat reasonable, especially because of the security issue.
> > But I can't decide if it's better to leave NSM out of the release or
> > ship it in a somewhat incomplete state.
> >
> > On the one hand, we don't really know if it's stable or has some  
> > major
> > security holes we don't know about. In addition, we could use the new
> > dbus bindings in the 2.18 release I guess. This would be the biggest
> > point for me as programmer to postpone the release, because the  
> > current
> > python bindings don't support destroying a dbus object. Actually, I
> > didn't looked at the new ones, but I think I heard something that  
> > this
> > issue is solved.
> >
> > On the other hand, we would show the users that we are really making
> > process and that makes them happy.
> >
> > All in all, I must say I tend to postpone the release, because I  
> > don't
> > want to be sorry for what I've done if it's out there and buggy.
> >
> > - --
> > Greetings,
> > Sebastian Pölsterl
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