gtk-web r655 - in trunk: . plan/meetings

[andreasn svn gnome org]

Author: andreasn
Date: Thu Feb 14 09:28:26 2008
New Revision: 655
URL: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gtk-web?rev=655&view=rev

Log:
added february meeting lo

Added:
   trunk/plan/meetings/20080212.txt
Modified:
   trunk/ChangeLog
   trunk/plan/meetings/index.html

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+Feb 12 21:00:26 -->	ebassi (~ebassi 86 166 83 62) has joined #gtk-devel
+Feb 12 21:00:49 -->	tko (~tko jumbo180 adsl netsonic fi) has joined #gtk-devel
+Feb 12 21:02:21 -->	behdad (~behdad 32 60 107 139) has joined #gtk-devel
+Feb 12 21:02:24 ---	ebassi has changed the topic to: meeting time :: 20:00 UTC, 2008-02-12
+Feb 12 21:02:50 <herz1>	meat!
+Feb 12 21:02:55 ---	herz1 is now known as herzi
+Feb 12 21:09:28 <ebassi>	or soup (in my case)
+Feb 12 21:13:42 -->	mclasen (~mclasen c-24-218-44-243 hsd1 ma comcast net) has joined #gtk-devel
+Feb 12 21:13:52 <ebassi>	hi mclasen
+Feb 12 21:13:53 <mclasen>	sorry for being late
+Feb 12 21:14:05 <mclasen>	kids insisted on getting ice cream after school
+Feb 12 21:14:13 <mclasen>	...in the middle of winter...
+Feb 12 21:14:27 ---	ebassi has changed the topic to: meeting time :: 20:00 UTC, 2008-02-12 :: http://live.gnome.org/GTK+/Meetings
+Feb 12 21:14:32 <ebassi>	heh
+Feb 12 21:16:10 <mclasen>	do we have an agenda for today ?
+Feb 12 21:16:18 *	mclasen came unprepared
+Feb 12 21:16:38 <ebassi>	mclasen: yes, lemme copy and paste
+Feb 12 21:16:49 <ebassi>	* Remove linux-fb backend because it's unmaintained since stone age (mitch)
+Feb 12 21:17:00 <ebassi>	Add GRegion (see bug 508540)
+Feb 12 21:17:07 <ebassi>	Offscreen redirection (see bug 318807)
+Feb 12 21:17:14 <ebassi>	Migrating gtk.org contents to the machine that is currently cube.gtk.org (timj)
+Feb 12 21:17:25 <ebassi>	and the evergreen "Miscellaneous"
+Feb 12 21:17:42 <ebassi>	no gio api status, though :-)
+Feb 12 21:18:14 <mclasen>	ok, lets go then
+Feb 12 21:18:27 <mclasen>	the first one seems like a no-brainer
+Feb 12 21:18:40 <mclasen>	we haven't shipped the linux-fb backend in tarballs for quite a while already
+Feb 12 21:19:05 <timj>	mitch volounteers to remove it
+Feb 12 21:19:17 <mclasen>	there are some cleanup tasks after that, though
+Feb 12 21:19:26 <mclasen>	removing linux-fb stuff from the api docs
+Feb 12 21:19:52 <mclasen>	and some of the decorated window stuff in gtk/ could possibly also go away then ?
+Feb 12 21:19:56 -->	xan (~xan a88-112-51-91 elisa-laajakaista fi) has joined #gtk-devel
+Feb 12 21:20:34 -->	Company (~company e176107117 adsl alicedsl de) has joined #gtk-devel
+Feb 12 21:22:03 <timj>	mclasen: possilbly. can we make this an action item for mitch and simply list any details next to it?
+Feb 12 21:22:17 <mclasen>	sure
+Feb 12 21:22:17 <timj>	and then move on...
+Feb 12 21:23:02 <ebassi>	next item is GRegion and relative bug
+Feb 12 21:23:26 <Company>	i think this is pretty much solved by now
+Feb 12 21:23:52 <mclasen>	oh, it is ?
+Feb 12 21:24:07 <Company>	i asked various people about their opinion
+Feb 12 21:24:24 <timj>	heh, haven't seen the code yet and like to review it first
+Feb 12 21:24:30 <herzi>	"various"?
+Feb 12 21:24:31 <Company>	and i the general consensus seemed to be that it's very graphics related
+Feb 12 21:24:31 <timj>	(am i not on CC on that bug?)
+Feb 12 21:24:49 <Company>	and not really applicable to glib
+Feb 12 21:25:57 <Company>	herzi: people interested in gregion and glib maintainers - want a list? ;)
+Feb 12 21:26:41 <Company>	so unless people have a strong opinion for putting gregion into glib, i'd suggest closing it as wontfix
+Feb 12 21:27:31 <mclasen>	still not nice to copy this stuff around so much 
+Feb 12 21:27:41 <Company>	yeah
+Feb 12 21:27:42 <mclasen>	without ever improving it
+Feb 12 21:28:11 <Company>	i think it'd be best to put it into cairo or use pixman's version
+Feb 12 21:28:56 <timj>	ah, i thought this was a pled to get GRegion in...
+Feb 12 21:29:03 <Company>	it's pretty useless without other graphics-related stuff (like rectangles)
+Feb 12 21:29:18 <Company>	timj: it was - but i changed my opinion after hearing the feedback :)
+Feb 12 21:29:36 <mclasen>	yeah, that doesn't help people who need 64bit or double versions, but anyway, lets move on then
+Feb 12 21:30:03 <timj>	mclasen: the rapicorn version is "improved", it maintaines 64bt regions
+Feb 12 21:30:07 <timj>	64bit
+Feb 12 21:30:25 -->	Lievenh (~lieven 209 80-203-35 nextgentel com) has joined #gtk-devel
+Feb 12 21:32:14 <mclasen>	next point was offscreen redirection
+Feb 12 21:33:01 *	mclasen must admit that he didn't follow the latest activity on that bug
+Feb 12 21:33:05 <ebassi>	things have been moving on that front
+Feb 12 21:33:39 <timj>	mclasen: there are some issues to straighten out and the we should be able to get at least the pixmap redirection in soon.
+Feb 12 21:34:01 <timj>	the remaining issues are mentioned in a recent comment on the report and in an email to gtk-devel-list awaiting feedback from alex
+Feb 12 21:34:23 <timj>	after that, we'll start tackling event handling
+Feb 12 21:34:26 <mclasen>	I'll poke him tomorrow
+Feb 12 21:34:36 <ebassi>	mclasen: thanks
+Feb 12 21:34:46 <timj>	ebassi: the WindowImpl you mentioned suitable for an extra bug report, is that something that you could start in parallel?
+Feb 12 21:35:12 <ebassi>	timj: yes - I already have that broken down. I'll send a mail to gtk-devel and open a new bug
+Feb 12 21:35:17 <mclasen>	you say "getting it in soon", that brings me to a point I wanted to bring up
+Feb 12 21:35:18 <timj>	great.
+Feb 12 21:35:28 <mclasen>	I feel that we've gone without a devel snapshot too long
+Feb 12 21:35:38 <mclasen>	and wonder if we should do one soon
+Feb 12 21:35:54 <timj>	mclasen: a devel snapshot at any point in time would be good as far as i'm concerned
+Feb 12 21:35:54 <mclasen>	e.g. before landing pixmap redirection 
+Feb 12 21:36:03 <kris>	about devel snapshots
+Feb 12 21:36:08 <mclasen>	I'll look at doing one 
+Feb 12 21:36:12 <kris>	with which version number are we going to go now?
+Feb 12 21:36:16 <kris>	still with synching with glib?
+Feb 12 21:36:26 <timj>	i don't think the exact feature set matters too much as long as we have semi-frequent releaes again ;)
+Feb 12 21:36:36 <--	artista_frustrado has quit (Leaving)
+Feb 12 21:38:17 <mclasen>	kris: would you consider it very bad if I do a 2.15.x devel snapshot now and we re-bump to 2.17.x later on to sync up with glib ?
+Feb 12 21:39:00 <kris>	me personally no, but I (and some others have also raised this concern) don't really see the need to sync up with glib
+Feb 12 21:40:03 <timj>	well, there's no technical need either way, but keeping versions in sync is definitely less confusing for most people
+Feb 12 21:40:20 -->	herz1 (~herzi p578EBB4D dip t-dialin net) has joined #gtk-devel
+Feb 12 21:41:46 *	timj has seen people on several meetings go off on being confused at the exact versions glib and gtk are at
+Feb 12 21:42:50 *	mclasen goes back to pixmap redirection
+Feb 12 21:43:24 <mclasen>	timj: so the next step is to read your gtk-devel mail and review the pixmap redirection patch, I guess ?
+Feb 12 21:44:22 <--	herzi has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))
+Feb 12 21:44:33 -->	leio (~leio 88-196-18-85-dsl hps estpak ee) has joined #gtk-devel
+Feb 12 21:44:39 *	behdad catches up
+Feb 12 21:44:44 <behdad>	any hackfest discussion yet?
+Feb 12 21:44:54 <mclasen>	not yet
+Feb 12 21:45:23 <behdad>	timj: please, no version catchup.  I think it's common expectation by now that glib has more frequent releases than gtk+
+Feb 12 21:45:42 <behdad>	unless the rule would be "gtk+ will be always released with the version number of current stable glib"
+Feb 12 21:46:07 <timj>	behdad: yep, the basic point is to make things *simple* and not more complicated
+Feb 12 21:46:38 <behdad>	and afterall, people can't tell the latest stable version of all the hundreds of components in a GNU/Linux system by heart.  how is GKT+ different?
+Feb 12 21:47:01 <behdad>	(GTK+ of course..)
+Feb 12 21:47:05 *	mclasen feels that we won't be able to resolve this issue 
+Feb 12 21:47:14 <behdad>	sorry.  lets move on.
+Feb 12 21:47:16 <mclasen>	I'll just pick a number at release time...
+Feb 12 21:47:27 <mclasen>	another version -related topic that came up in the past
+Feb 12 21:47:36 <mclasen>	is double bumping
+Feb 12 21:47:44 <mclasen>	ie pre-release and post-release
+Feb 12 21:48:01 <ebassi>	that would be helpful
+Feb 12 21:48:01 <mclasen>	to have a version number that clearly identifies svn content between releases
+Feb 12 21:48:05 *	behdad supports that
+Feb 12 21:48:09 <timj>	mclasen: if you want to review the recent pixmap redirection patch, that'd be good. (no idea how thorough your initial read through alex' patch was)
+Feb 12 21:48:10 <mclasen>	is anybody opposed to that ?
+Feb 12 21:48:36 <mclasen>	timj: not very thorough, I mostly enjoyed the screencast...
+Feb 12 21:48:37 <timj>	mclasen: not, opposed. i think version inflations are fine if they help people ;)
+Feb 12 21:48:41 <behdad>	I reviewed alex' previously.  will look into the git tree
+Feb 12 21:49:27 <mclasen>	time to move on
+Feb 12 21:49:30 <timj>	mclasen: my last comment & email should be fairly self-explanatory wrt whats missing
+Feb 12 21:49:37 <mclasen>	timj: cube.gtk.org ?
+Feb 12 21:50:25 <timj>	yeah, i'm basically waiting for Snorfle to setup apache and copy over ftp. then i can move the web and we could switch DNS. he's unfortunately not here though...
+Feb 12 21:51:20 <mclasen>	that is going to take over www.gtk.org and ftp.gtk.org ?
+Feb 12 21:51:26 <timj>	yes.
+Feb 12 21:51:45 <timj>	and finally remedy the shoratge on disk space
+Feb 12 21:51:46 <mclasen>	looking forward to it
+Feb 12 21:51:59 <timj>	once moved, i plan to also upload some historical versions, etc
+Feb 12 21:53:05 <mclasen>	will the ftp directory structure be the same as before ?
+Feb 12 21:53:12 <behdad>	timj: disk space fix would be quite welcome
+Feb 12 21:53:44 <behdad>	a relevant question I guess is, why do we not use gnome's infrastructure again?
+Feb 12 21:54:19 *	behdad also points out /home/behdad/fetch-module that can fetch and install new pango/glib/gtk+ releases on gtk.org ftp
+Feb 12 21:55:42 <mclasen>	how will accounts be managed on cube ?
+Feb 12 21:56:46 <timj>	mclasen: i think snorfle plans to simply rsync ftp and home/ over
+Feb 12 21:56:58 <mclasen>	ah, ok
+Feb 12 21:58:32 <timj>	behdad: i have no idea what "moving to gnome's infrastructure" would involve. moving to cube is a simple and safe copy. and from what i understand, bkor is quite loaded with other gnome admin tasks anyway
+Feb 12 22:00:29 <mclasen>	timj: whats the timeframe for the move ? as soon as dns switches over ?
+Feb 12 22:01:03 <timj>	mclasen: no idea. i'm waiting for snorfle atm
+Feb 12 22:01:21 <mclasen>	ah, ok
+Feb 12 22:01:37 <mclasen>	I guess you'll let us know when it happens
+Feb 12 22:01:49 <timj>	sure
+Feb 12 22:02:29 <mclasen>	last point was "misc"
+Feb 12 22:02:41 <mclasen>	behdad: you wanted to talk about the hackfest ?
+Feb 12 22:03:22 <behdad>	mclasen: was going to reply to timj's mail.  can still do that given that not many people seem to be here
+Feb 12 22:03:40 <behdad>	re putting together a schedule basically.
+Feb 12 22:03:49 <timj>	30 lurkers ;)
+Feb 12 22:03:55 <behdad>	heh
+Feb 12 22:04:21 <behdad>	for now, "EVERYONE PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU BOUGHT YOUR TIX" is all I have to say :)
+Feb 12 22:04:26 <ebassi>	also, there's the problem of on-site boxes for people without laptop
+Feb 12 22:04:30 <mclasen>	except for me :-(
+Feb 12 22:04:59 <behdad>	ebassi: right.  guess that's one box only.
+Feb 12 22:05:13 <timj>	mclasen: couldn't you even partially attend?
+Feb 12 22:05:17 <mclasen>	behdad: might also caution people about not bringing secret stuff on laptops :-)
+Feb 12 22:05:30 <mclasen>	timj: unfortunately, it is not working out
+Feb 12 22:05:34 <mclasen>	l
+Feb 12 22:05:34 <behdad>	mclasen: why's that again?
+Feb 12 22:05:38 <herz1>	behdad: I will buy the tickets later, there's no advantage in advance buying
+Feb 12 22:05:53 <kris>	I will buy like this or next week
+Feb 12 22:06:00 <mclasen>	behdad: unless you want TSA/customs to read it...
+Feb 12 22:06:13 <kris>	since they are only train tickets
+Feb 12 22:06:20 *	behdad bought a half-price train ticket for frankfurt<->berlin
+Feb 12 22:06:20 <bratsche>	Oh, I just realized this is happening now.
+Feb 12 22:06:57 <behdad>	mclasen: humm, the US has opened the lid on my laptop before, but never the europeans
+Feb 12 22:06:58 <kris>	nice
+Feb 12 22:07:10 <kris>	apparently there is a direct train amsterdam->berlin so that should be productive
+Feb 12 22:07:19 <kris>	behdad: I think the lids of my laptops have been opened in sweden once
+Feb 12 22:07:23 <behdad>	kris: coming from amsterdam? :-D
+Feb 12 22:07:24 <herz1>	kris: ice? that should work
+Feb 12 22:07:38 <kris>	behdad: well, first need to do leiden->amsterdam which is like 30mins
+Feb 12 22:07:41 <kris>	herz1: no, IC
+Feb 12 22:07:41 *	behdad always makes sure gnome-screensaver is running
+Feb 12 22:07:47 <herz1>	will be okay, too
+Feb 12 22:07:53 <kris>	herz1:  for ICE you need to transfer somewhere
+Feb 12 22:07:54 <behdad>	kris: do you stop in amsterdam? :P
+Feb 12 22:08:09 <kris>	behdad: to transfer for 10 mins or so, why? ;)
+Feb 12 22:08:23 <behdad>	kris: wondering ;)
+Feb 12 22:08:23 <bratsche>	mclasen: Do you know when you are planning to make another 2.12 release yet?
+Feb 12 22:08:31 <timj>	mclasen: how would customs read out laptop HDs?
+Feb 12 22:08:37 <mclasen>	bratsche: writing NEWS right now...
+Feb 12 22:08:44 <bratsche>	Uh..
+Feb 12 22:08:50 <bratsche>	Do I have time to get a change in?
+Feb 12 22:09:04 <bratsche>	Err.. patch
+Feb 12 22:09:18 <mclasen>	timj: by forcing you to hand over passwords, etc... between the airplane door and customs, you are pretty much in legal limbo...
+Feb 12 22:09:49 <kris>	what are they looking for in laptops then?
+Feb 12 22:09:55 <timj>	mclasen: that has happened to you?
+Feb 12 22:10:01 <mclasen>	no
+Feb 12 22:10:11 <herz1>	kris: Âthe terrorist handbook ;-)
+Feb 12 22:10:37 <timj>	herz1: tzzz, now you triggered the echolon word detector...
+Feb 12 22:11:21 <behdad>	I had my stack of cd's taken for inspection once.  they had like family photos and home video on them.  the guy just took them to another officer, talked to him for 2 mins and returned them.  no idea what they could do with it but I never carry cd/dvds anymore
+Feb 12 22:11:34 <behdad>	will put everything on an ext2 partition on an external drive worst case
+Feb 12 22:11:44 <behdad>	(and sure have a dummy fat32 partition on it too)
+Feb 12 22:11:56 <kris>	herz1: :P
+Feb 12 22:12:07 <kris>	actually the EU is looking into this stupid fingerprinting madness too
+Feb 12 22:12:13 <kris>	+starting
+Feb 12 22:13:09 <mclasen>	anything else for "misc" ?
+Feb 12 22:14:02 <mclasen>	ok then, see you all when ebassi writes another invitation...
+Feb 12 22:14:10 *	mclasen goes back to releasing gtk
+Feb 12 22:14:11 <kris>	alrighty
+Feb 12 22:14:18 <herz1>	have  nice evening
+Feb 12 22:14:31 <mclasen>	bratsche: if you have the patch in in the next 2-3 hours, I'll wait
+Feb 12 22:14:33 *	kris goes back to this rbtree hacking madness
+Feb 12 22:14:44 <bratsche>	mclasen: Yeah, I can do it.
+Feb 12 22:15:13 <ebassi>	have a nice evening everyone :-)
+Feb 12 22:15:20 <bratsche>	mclasen: It's all committed to trunk, and tml asked me to wait until the next 2.12 release before committing to gtk-2-12 branch.
+Feb 12 22:15:44 <mclasen>	oh, so you want to commit _after_ the release ?
+Feb 12 22:15:58 <bratsche>	No, I want to commit before.
+Feb 12 22:16:06 <mclasen>	go ahead, then
+Feb 12 22:16:12 <bratsche>	Okay.
+Feb 12 22:16:25 <bratsche>	Let me just get it all together and I'll commit within the next hour.

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 <P>
 <B>2008</B>
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+				<a href="20080212.txt.txt">February 12</a>
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