Re: Use cheese with other application?



On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 13:50 +0200, Hans Martin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I understand now more the purpose of cheese. I just thought that
> other applications already exist for that purpose. E.g. kino for
> video effects, e.g. gimp for photo effects. What makes cheese
> different from gimp and kino is the "live" view. And this makes
> it somehow attractive to use it for funny video phone calls etc.
> Just imagine phoning your mom with the "hulk" effect...
> 
> Speaking of UNIX philosophy: One tool for one task, right, but
> also: pipelines to make the tools work together!
> 
> $ cat /dev/webcam | cheese | amsn/ekiga/pidgin

hmm.. no, i would think more of something like

webcam -> gstreamer -> telepathy/cheese/pidgin/...

i mean, there is no reason to build something on the top of gstreamer,
if gstreamer already is able to handle those things, no?

daniel

> 
> (Btw. unfortunately, pidgin does not yet feature video, so I
> don't use it, pidgin does not support MSN, but SIP, and amsn
> does not use gstreamer, AFAIK.)
> 
> Again, thanks for the cheese!
> 
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:35:49 +0200
> > Von: "daniel g. siegel" <dgsiegel gmail com>
> >
> > he ;) i never heard something like that since i started developing..
> > 
> > i totally like that you tell us whats missing from your point of view.
> > and probably you are right in your special use case. but i can tell you,
> > that there are some people, who are actually using cheese to do some
> > things. 
> > 
> > you probably also know the unix philosophy "one tool for one task".
> > well.. sure, you can use kino, use gstreamer directly from the terminal,
> > and a lot of other things. but think about people, who are not
> > professional users. they love to have a small app, to do some things,
> > e.g. take a picture of their child and send it to their mom, have fun
> > taking photos with some effects and so on. 
> > 
> > when you are using kino to take a photo of yourself, youre somehow using
> > a ferrari to drive up a mountain. again: cheese isnt perfect at the
> > moment, integration in the desktop is quite bad, but we are getting
> > closer and just want to provide a program you can use for the "fun" side
> > of your life.
> > 
> > to the "online" part: using some cool effects for voip or other streams.
> > just awesome ;) BUT, do not forget, that we are an application which is
> > resting on gstreamer. we are using gstreamer to get a picture from the
> > camera on the screen, we are using gstreamer elements to apply effects.
> > so i am asking you: why should someone build upon cheese, while we
> > already have something we could use? everything would be there, to have
> > the same effects in empathy, ... 
> > 
> > what we actually plan to do is to enhance gstreamer for better effects.
> > if that step is done, every application, which rests on gstreamer could
> > use that. sounds like a plan?
> > 
> > daniel
> > 
> > On Tue, 2008-04-15 at 21:06 +0200, Hans Martin wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I recently discoverd cheese. (Sorry for being unillumined for
> > > so long, but cheese is not yet in my preferred distribution,
> > > not even in "experimental".)
> > > 
> > > I like cheese, but - without any offence - I fail to see the
> > > point. If I understand correctly, I cannot use the video
> > > effects of cheese for e.g. amsn (which I use because pidgin
> > > does not support webcams and my "other end" uses MSN anyway).
> > > 
> > > If cheese is meant for "offline" use, I fail to see the point
> > > again, as I can already capture from the camera and apply
> > > effects on the video using "kino" or "avidemux".
> > > 
> > > I think, cheese would really be cool, if one could feed the
> > > effects somehow into amsn (or ekiga, or someday distant
> > > pidgin-with-webcam-support), but without this possibility,
> > > I'm not sure, what it is good for. Yes, I have fun with
> > > cheese, but I would like to share the fun :~)
> > > 
> > > Is there a way to do this? Or is it planned?
> > > 
> > > Cheers and thanks for the cheese despite my criticism!
> > > 
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