Re: Duh, or How to Build 0.4.9 on gnome-1.0
- From: Jules Bean <jmlb2 hermes cam ac uk>
- To: Jean-Philippe Gaillard <e970128 escp fr>
- cc: Scott Tyson <tysons deepwell com>, balsa-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: Duh, or How to Build 0.4.9 on gnome-1.0
- Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:05:10 +0000 (GMT)
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Jean-Philippe Gaillard wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Scott Tyson wrote:
>
> > I've been round and round with amny people on this list about that
> > subject. ONce balsa is done it will be pretty functional. Most Linux
> > users dont want to have an outlook/eudora close for linux. I think thye
> > are missing a BIG oportunity. Jeez many people think we should have to
> > use fetchmail and prcomail to get pop3 support and filtering. Thasa
> > pain in the ass if you ask me. :).
>
>
> Well, personnaly, I like fetchmail combined with sendmail. Although there
> is a major bug in sendmail : you cannot SPAM yourself : I mean, you can
> masquarade your domain name, but you will always have the login name of
> the guy who sent the mail... Shit. (I tried to change the m4 files... no
> way)
That's not a bug in sendmail. You're simply not configuring it to do what
it wants. Then again, sendmail is extremely difficult to configure, so I
don't blame you. (The defaults work the way you describe to help
sys-admins track who really sent the mail).
People are really not understanding the issue here. The issue is about
doing things *right* even if it's slightly harder - the pay-offs will be
worth it, eventually. And that means modularising code, not bloating
applications. It's mainly orthogonal to ease-of-use, and I certainly want
balsa to be easy to use.
>
> But this is somewhat off topic. I really think that people using computers
> who are likely to switch to linux have internet access... And so they are
> using email. If there is no REAL nice well implemented email client, they
> will never use linux. Also ,for example, netscape or, mozilla should be
> rewritten for gnome, to support the html targets mailto: for balsa for
> example... We need a REAL netword tool set.
There are, of course. Both mutt and gnus are superb, well implemented
email programs. They don't have GUIs, though...
Mozilla will, when it releases, have a pretty exciting email client in it
- we'll see how that works out.
> Who is going to do this ? Or is this just too much of user-friendlyness
> for our meat-eating pinguin ?
I have no objection to user-friendliness, when it doesn't compromise
power. Many commercial applications compromise their power, and become
badly broken in some ways, because they refuse to implement anything until
they have a visually attractive GUI for it - and GUI's are really hard to
design, for complex ideas.
Jules
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