Re: [orca-list] Queries regarding e-book readers for Visually Impaired

[Willem van der Walt <wvdwalt csir co za>]

Hi,
I would strongly suggest that, given that the requirement seem to be DAISY 
2.02 and 3 support in a player, that you also look at the Kolibre project.
They are using a port of the amis library, also written in C++ to parse 
the daisy.  Their player is closer to what one want in a daisy player at 
the moment.
They have reacently released an offline daisy player too.
It will be great if a player can be built that use both the cainteoir and 
amis libraries to read all the formats, including daisy and epub.
That might be more challenging than making two players, one for epub, the 
cinteoir application, and one for daisy, the kolibre offline player.
I do not have time to spend even testing the offline player now, but am 
also very interested in getting such players.
HTH, Willem


On Tue, 18 Nov 2014, kendell clark wrote:

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> hi
> Just recieved this. I'd gladly welcome his help, although I'm not the
> developer of this thing. You should probably try emailing him at
> mschlrhd gmail com  He should, if he's like most open source
> developers, murge the changes back in if he doesn't have to do the
> work himself. I really, really hope you get somewhere, as daisy
> support may not be the first thing on everyone's mind, but bookshare
> has lots of books in that format, and we need a convenient way to
> handle this. THis is going off topic, so I'll refrain from saying much
> more unless I get flamed.
>
> Thanks
>
> On 11/18/2014 01:52 AM, Sanskriti Dawle wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > My name is Sanskriti Dawle. I'm a 3rd year CS undergrad at BITS
> > Pilani Goa Campus, Goa, India, and a cofounder of Project Mudra
> > (http:// <http://projectmudra.com>projectmudra.com), an open source
> > Braille teaching device built on the Raspberry Pi. Currently, I'm
> > also a FOSS OPW (http:// <http://gnome.org/opw>gnome.org
> > <http://gnome.org/opw>/ <http://gnome.org/opw>opw
> > <http://gnome.org/opw>) intern at GNOME.
> >
> > I've been following the conversation on orca-list for a while now,
> > and I'd love to offer any help that I can to implement extended
> > support in canteoir. I have a working knowledge of C++, and I'm
> > willing to learn anything that's required. I've been a lurker on
> > orca-list for quite a while now, but never really figured out how I
> > could start contributing to software used by blind linux users -
> > and this seems like a good place to start. Also, if it requires
> > more people I can organize a group, we have a fairly large
> > opensource enthusiast community here at BITS Goa.
> >
> > So if we could define the requirements and deliverables here, I'd
> > be happy to get started. Needless to say, there will be no issue of
> > payment whatsoever. It's a learning experience for me too!
> >
> > Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
> >
> > Regards, Sanskriti only way I could possibly think of doing
> > something like this is something like a kickstartter campagne, but
> > this is OT to this list completely, so I'll not say anything else
> > here. If someone wants to email me off list and i'll try to figure
> > out how. I've never done one before. Thanks Kendell clark
> >
> >
> > On 11/17/2014 02:25 PM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
> > > Wow, there goes my hope of something affordabel and quick.
> >
> > > Thanks,
> >
> > > Fernando
> >
> > > On 11/17/2014 06:23 PM, kendell clark wrote:
> >
> > > according to the email he just sent me, he wants something like 
> > > 5000 bucks to implement it. He also wants 1500 bucks to
> > > implement the book list and all that goes with it. Of course,
> > > none of us can add this ourselves, he says something about
> > > getting a group to contract him. I'm not holding out much hope at
> > > the moment Thanks Kendell clark
> >
> > > On 11/17/2014 06:28 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
> > > > > > Does anyone know if this book reading software have
> > > > > > interface in multiple languages?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, how much of an investment are we talking about to
> > > > > > get it to read Daisy?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fernando
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/17/2014 07:27 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hi My idea of a book list is one where you can select a 
> > > > > > directory where your books are kept, and the program will
> > > > > > go through and get the books available in that folder by 
> > > > > > analyzing the books xml data. This would work equally for 
> > > > > > epub as well as daisy books. It might display something
> > > > > > like the following. books list view. book title 1: current 
> > > > > > position: wherever you left off. Etc. Thanks Kendell clark
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/17/2014 03:14 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hello, The project is open source however developer
> > > > > > > > > is looking for some funding so he can do his best in
> > > > > > > > > order to implement it. E.G. see here for bookmarks
> > > > > > > > > related issue... 
> > > > > > > > > https://github.com/rhdunn/cainteoir-gtk/issues/6
> > > > > > > > > What is a book list as you are describing it? Ability
> > > > > > > > > to open recently viewed books is already there and
> > > > > > > > > also ability to see the list of chapters. Reading can
> > > > > > > > > be started from any point from that list.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is really awesome piece of software, it's well 
> > > > > > > > > written continually maintained and the developer is 
> > > > > > > > > cooperative, really an expert, considers
> > > > > > > > > accessibility and all other stuff we might have
> > > > > > > > > imagined.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Another his big reference is eSpeak for android.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 17.11.2014 at 09:10 kendell clark wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > hi Nods, just sent out an email to the developer. If 
> > > > > > > > > he'll add daisy support,a nd possibly at some point 
> > > > > > > > > later bookmarking support and book lists, we'll have 
> > > > > > > > > ourselves a daisy reader that can read other formats 
> > > > > > > > > too. Thanks Kendell clark On 11/17/2014 02:06 AM,
> > > > > > > > > Peter Vágner wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Well gtk UI for cainteoir is not as 
> > > > > > > > > > > > feature rich as we would wish however I have
> > > > > > > > > > > > to add another positive comments it is
> > > > > > > > > > > > accessible. Even content is rendered into a
> > > > > > > > > > > > read only edit field for some simple proof
> > > > > > > > > > > > reading.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 17.11.2014 at 06:27 Willem van der Walt 
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is cainteoir which now supports epub3 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with media overlays. The player, however is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not feature-ritch at the moment.  If someone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is good at writing c++, that player could be 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > expanded to be quite good. The cainteoir 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > library supports reading a number of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > formats. On Android, there is a player called
> > > > > > > > > > > > > menestrelo which is good for reading epub3.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > HTH, Willem
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2014, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s too bad about epub readers. I think 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > these other solutions involving
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conversions and kludging around with other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > formats just ruins the epub experience. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > really like the direct navigation features
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > found in Apple’s iBooks applications on all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > their devices. I wonder if evince can deal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with PDF books though. Has anyone had a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chance to try this? Many times, books are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > released in PDF as an alternative to epub
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but still include much of the navigations
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > normally available in epub. My biggest
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > complaint with converting stuff to plain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > text or whatever is you lose all that rich
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > navigation that comes with hyper text 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > publications. Even HTML books navigate OK
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but you can’t place bookmarks throughout
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the text with a web browser.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Dhairyashil 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhosale
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dhairyashil bhosale584 gmail com> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HI, As you mentioned about e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader, the FBReader, CoolReader and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calibre e-book readers are widely used on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux platform but I am also looking some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other e-book reader that will support all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > type of e-book format and will accessible
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Orca. So I have some information
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding to your queries
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the tools available to read 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-books?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :- The FBReader, CoolReader and Calibre 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are available for Linux and Android 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > platform. but FBReader and CoolReader
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have limited support for e-book format,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Calibre support all type of e-book
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > format and Calibre is open source for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux platform but not for Android.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lucidor is also used for reading e-books
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but its have limited feature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Accessibility issues (if any) with 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book reader?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-  The FBReader, CoolReader and Calibre 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not accessible to orca. I used these 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book reader with Orca but Orca is not 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to read these e-book readers. But 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lucidor e-book reader is accessible with 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > orca screen reader, but it have some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue while reading e-books.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navigation related issues with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-book reader?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :- while using these e-book reader they 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have limited navigation feature, if we 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > press mouce-scroll button for zoom-in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then it will not work as page number
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wise. so these e-book readers have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > limited navigation facilities.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, Dhairyashil
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.  Queries regarding e-book readers for 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visually Impaired (Leena Chourey)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15:18:49 +0530 From: Leena Chourey 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <leenagour gmail com> To: Orca-list 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <orca-list gnome org>, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gnome-accessibility-list 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gnome-accessibility-list gnome org>, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evince-list gnome org, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poppler lists freedesktop org Subject: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [orca-list] Queries regarding e-book 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > readers for Visually Impaired
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message-ID: <CAD-S5bOtwATLYwtoKXruHG=
> > XknecYOREuicH3aLaHmx1_rSwrQ mail gmail com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While exploring about the e-book reading 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > facility for Visually Impaired, I found 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that various formats like epub, pdf are 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > availble. Various readers like FBReader, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coolreader, Caliber people use. Please
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help to find answer for my queries about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - What are the tools available to read 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-books? - Is it require to have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific readers to read e-books? -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Widely used e-book readers working on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linux & Android platform and with screen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reader like Orca - Accessibility issues
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (if any) with e-book reader - Navigation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related issues with e-book reader
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leena
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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