Re: [orca-list] Structural HTML navigation by lists

[Hammer Attila <hammera pickup hu>]

Marcus, I see following with your send second patch:
The vakbarat.index.hu webpage if I press Orca+menu keybinding, the menu 
I think is not displaying.
When I launch Firefox, and opening for example www.oc.hu webpage, the 
webpage is downloaded fast, but after Orca begin spokening the webpage 
contents I unable to move objects with tab or shift+tab keys.
This is happening because I think need wayting the "The Object Navigator 
is ready for use" task running. Another example is www.dumaalmas.hu 
webpage, this webpage the need wayting time is 18 second before Orca 
spokening the "the object navigator is ready for use" message.
This task run automaticaly if the user opening a webpage? This situation 
this is not good ydea I think, because the object collecting time is 
bigger with 10 second after Firefox loading new webpage, and if an user 
not want using this feature, need waiting this task time period. This is 
true ofcourse only complex webpages.

With form fields related:
The ordered form fields is not good ydea my openion.
I suggest please do a simple form fields menu item and put all form 
fields inside with this menu if this final concept is accepted with more 
users.
With 50 character length cutting:
I suggest please increase this character length, because some links is 
containing more than 50 characters. I think 77 character length is 
enough, because if happening perhaps a cutting fit the three dot 
character with end of text.

In Thunderbird:
When I reply or composing a new message, and I press Orca+menu 
keybinding, Presenting an empty menu.

Perhaps this is only my openion, but for example I better preferring 
now you last attached patch feature working method with #620331 
bugreport, because except headings all function working already proper 
right.
With headings related the focusing issue is unable to solve before 
Mozilla developers not fix the focus tracking related bug in Firefox.
I have got a suggestion with based your last attached #620331 patch if 
the purpose is commit this feature before 3.0 Orca release:
1. Only need binding the HTML object navigator window with a keystroke 
(now your last attached patch this keystroke is Orca+Ctrl+F8), and 
another functions need unbinding. The adwantage this this feature 
possible presenting different single lists, and the choice is the user 
think what keystrokes want binding or not binding the single lists 
(anchors, form fields, frames, headings and links single lists). If an 
user not want different single lists, only enough the treeview based 
HTML navigator feature, not need do anything. This method not reserve 
more shortcuts. Another advantage with this method we have an already 
working right code with perhaps possible committing before with 3.0 
release because the heading focuse problem is inside this feature fix, 
because the focus tracking Firefox bug is an another story with fix is 
the Mozilla developers think. Very need this feature in Orca side 
because in Firefox 4.0 series the old several years doed links list and 
headings list Firefox extensions is not compatible.
If more users accept this working method now, we have enough time next 
developing cicle doing new design this feature if this is need.

Marcus, Joanie, this suggestion is acceptable now your openion? Need a 
final choice because in this thread now not have a starting point what 
prefer more users, or only I not see the starting point because this 
thread is begin long. :-):-)
Some users want this feature, some users not, some users prefer treeview 
desing, some users would like menu oriented design and this function is 
lost before 3.0 release.

Attila