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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Does anybody here use mc's : mail -s <subject> -c <cc>
<to> ? (tooth pik)
2. Re: Does anybody here use mc's : mail -s <subject> -c <cc>
<to> ? (/dev/rob0)
3. Flat Tree View in MC (Elad)
4. Behavior based on a certain external panelize (Elad)
5. Re: Does anybody here use mc's : mail -s <subject> -c <cc>
<to> ? (chris glur)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 10:12:48 -0600
From: tooth pik <toothpik6 gmail com>
To: chris glur <crglur gmail com>, mc gnome org
Subject: Re: Does anybody here use mc's : mail -s <subject> -c <cc>
<to> ?
Message-ID: <20130209161248 GA4942 gmail com>
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On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 10:49:56AM +0200, chris glur wrote:
AFAICS an email client has 2 parts:
1. a data-base to manage the In/Out mails
2. transport agent/s for send and receive.
Since mc is THE superb data-base manager, it seems that it could do email
well?
I don't know if mc will do mail or not -- if you are looking for
something sensible why not use mutt? I can verify mutt can send and
receive gmail, having become disenchanted with the service provided by
my ISP. You'll want to be sure to use the sendmail provided by
postfix (just install postfix: it'll de-install the old sendmail if
it's there). You'll need google's certificates: there's a good
(well, usable) set of instructions on setting it all up at:
http://www.linuxexpert.ro/Linux-Tutorials/fetchmail-for-gmail-accounts.html
In my failed-state location, ISP's email facilities have crapped out, or
perhaps
the natives can only use FB & twitter; so I've had to resort to gmail,
which is
very inefficient and frustrating in the default/http mode.
fetchmail will pull gmail Inbox contents down to your pc where mutt
can display in threads, and allow you to compose replies in vim, all
very efficient.
Does "mail -s <subject> -c <cc> <to>" use `sendmail` [or its proxy]?
sendmail is punishment to setup !
fetchmail, mutt, postfix all will need to be tweaked -- some
punishment, yes, but in the end quite well worth the effort
gmail needs TLS/SSL
Is TLS/SSL a part of `sendmail`, or will `sendmail` call TLS/SSL?
postfix's sendmail will use it if you tell it to, and get those
certificates installed
hth,
sc
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 10:56:29 -0600
From: /dev/rob0 <rob0 gmx co uk>
To: mc gnome org
Subject: Re: Does anybody here use mc's : mail -s <subject> -c <cc>
<to> ?
Message-ID: <20130209165629 GG3672 harrier slackbuilds org>
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Comments directed to both posters are inline.
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 10:12:48AM -0600, tooth pik wrote:
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 10:49:56AM +0200, chris glur wrote:
AFAICS an email client has 2 parts:
1. a data-base to manage the In/Out mails
Database? What? A MUA either uses IMAP to read mail, or it reads the
local mail files (mbox or maildir, typically.)
2. transport agent/s for send and receive.
Something to open the network socket and speak IMAP or SMTP, yes.
Since mc is THE superb data-base manager, it seems that it could
do email well?
I don't know if mc will do mail or not -- if you are looking for
something sensible why not use mutt? I can verify mutt can send
and receive gmail, having become disenchanted with the service
provided by my ISP. You'll want to be sure to use the sendmail
provided by postfix
I don't recommend a MTA for this. Too many moving parts. Recent
mutt(1) versions support SMTP, and it has long had IMAP support (and
POP3 also, but let's just let POP3 die as it should have a decade
ago.)
(just install postfix: it'll de-install the old sendmail if it's
there).
That will vary by OS/distro. Not necessarily true.
You'll need google's certificates: there's a good
(well, usable) set of instructions on setting it all up at:
http://www.linuxexpert.ro/Linux-Tutorials/fetchmail-for-gmail-accounts.html
Ugh, fetchmail sucks, and it provides nothing of benefit here. All
you need is in mutt. Learn mutt well and you're done. Without
bothering to review your tutorial, I'll guess it's bad.
In my failed-state location, ISP's email facilities have crapped
out, or perhaps the natives can only use FB & twitter; so I've
had to resort to gmail, which is very inefficient and frustrating
in the default/http mode.
fetchmail will pull gmail Inbox contents down to your pc where mutt
can display in threads, and allow you to compose replies in vim, all
very efficient.
(vim or your editor of choice, including mcedit)
Does "mail -s <subject> -c <cc> <to>" use `sendmail` [or its
proxy]?
I don't see a "mail" feature in mc. If you are talking about the CLI
mail(1) utility, it has a man page. Heirloom mailx indeed defaults to
sendmail(1) for outbound sending.
sendmail is punishment to setup !
Any MTA will provide a sendmail binary for mail submission. There are
also null clients like msmtp and nullmailer, but again, if using mutt
there is no need for anything else.
fetchmail, mutt, postfix all will need to be tweaked -- some
punishment, yes, but in the end quite well worth the effort
Much of that effort was wasted, or at least misdirected.
gmail needs TLS/SSL
Is TLS/SSL a part of `sendmail`, or will `sendmail` call TLS/SSL?
Your submitting client would use STARTTLS as the second command in
its SMTP connection to gmail. The remainder of the connection is
encrypted, and through this encrypted connection your credentials
would be presented to gmail.
All MUAs (such as mutt) and MTAs (Postfix or Sendmail) nowadays
implement TLS.
postfix's sendmail will use it if you tell it to, and get those
certificates installed
--
http://rob0.nodns4.us/ -- system administration and consulting
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:43:10 +0200
From: Elad <webdevsupreme gmail com>
To: mc gnome org
Subject: Flat Tree View in MC
Message-ID: <5116C2EE 70307 gmail com>
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Is there a way to achieve a native flat tree view in Midnight Commander?
One which allows me to go directly into the containing file's folder
using "see in other pane" command, for example.
External panelize is not an option, since it does not allow this.
See the feature here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McWFE1WbM7I&feature=youtu.be
It shows this in Total Commander, under windows.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:52:39 +0200
From: Elad <webdevsupreme gmail com>
To: mc gnome org
Subject: Behavior based on a certain external panelize
Message-ID: <5116C527 3010208 gmail com>
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I've been waiting for ages for a certain ticket to have any progress:
https://www.midnight-commander.org/ticket/1636
but it seems like it was forsaken.
So I thought about making something similar using the external panelize:
I have a file containing key-value pairs of a name and directory,
seperated by space,
E.g. SomeDirectory /var/www/This/And/That/Directory.
Using external panelize I can easily extract the key values to show as a
list,
but I need to have MC recognize them as special -
When I hit return on one of them,
I want MC to automatically cd into them.
I would rather not have a specific user menu command for this feature,
albeit if that is the only way,
a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 12:42:58 +0200
From: chris glur <crglur gmail com>
To: tooth pik <toothpik6 gmail com>
Cc: mc gnome org
Subject: Re: Does anybody here use mc's : mail -s <subject> -c <cc>
<to> ?
Message-ID:
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|I don't know if mc will do mail or not -- if you are looking for
|something sensible why not use mutt? I can verify mutt can send and
|receive gmail, having become disenchanted with the service provided by
|my ISP. You'll want to be sure to use the sendmail provided by
|postfix (just install postfix: it'll de-install the old sendmail if
|it's there). You'll need google's certificates: there's a good
|(well, usable) set of instructions on setting it all up at:
|http://www.linuxexpert.ro/Linux-Tutorials/fetchmail-for-gmail-accounts.html
OK thanks, I'll check that; but apparently mutt won't scroll it's
mail-directory, unless it's on-line. Which is absurd for me.
My on-line time is expensive.
My proper system [ETHOberon] which I could use before the local ISPs
collapsed
could fetch the articles-directory with one-shot. And at any time LATER
when
going on-line again, could fetch or delete [from the ISP's server] any
article
in the local directory, with one shot. The item was deleted from the local
directory, when the ISP-deletion was signalled as done.
Since mutt doesn't do any of the transport/fetching, and manipulation of
the files, eg. for extracting/modifying parts is less transparent than mc,
mutt seems to add no value for me. I need to have access to the article-dir
that I downloaded [and paid for] yesterday, to fetch/delete any article
tomorrow.
|fetchmail will pull gmail Inbox contents down to your pc where mu
|can display in threads, and allow you to compose replies in vim, all
|very efficient.
Admittedly my old system didn't thread the mails; but fetching and
displaying
the article-dir is trivial. And the rest of mutt's job is done more
transparently by mc.
|> gmail needs TLS/SSL
|> Is TLS/SSL a part of `sendmail`, or will `sendmail` call TLS/SSL?
|
|postfix's sendmail will use it if you tell it to, and get those
|certificates installed
That's the main punishment.
Thanks for the input.
== Chris Glur.
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