Re: [orca-list] Vim, is it usable for us?

[Janina Sajka <janina rednote net>]

I have a script somewhere which changes TTS pitch in vim based on
whether one is in command mode or edit mode. It was useful when I had it
working--but no so much that it's on my list of "must configure" when I
get a new machine.

If someone's interested, I'm sure I could dredge it up.

This is the errant ":w" Storm is referring to. Yes, it happens.

Storm Dragon writes:
> Howdy,
>
> Vim is being used to compose this message. It is, in my opinion, the best text editor on the planet. Be 
> warned though, if you do get into using it and have to use a graphical text editor for some reason, you'll 
> most likely get a file with a lit of A :w, etc in it lol.
>
> I use it with Fenrir, most often in the console. It has spellcheck, and all sorts of nifty features 
> including backups, macros, etc.
>
> You may need to disable the ruler by typing the following:
>
> :set noruler
>
> If you need to know line and column information, press control+g to have it briefly shown on the bottom 
> line.
>
> you can make the noruler setting permanent by adding it to your ~/.vimrc.
>
> Thanks,
> Storm
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 04:56:33PM -0400, Orca-list wrote:
> > Yes, Vim works well with a screen reader. You'll probably achieve better
> > results with Fenrir or Speakup than with Orca in Gnome-Terminal, though.
> > It also works well with a braille display, which is what I generally
> > use.
> >
> > It's easy to apply the editor commands once you've read the text to
> > decide what changes you want to make. I tend to use Emacs for serious
> > writing projects, but that just reflects my preference rather than any
> > limitation of Vim.
> >
> > On 8/30/20 4:41 PM, Rastislav Kish via orca-list wrote:
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > during my Linux adventures, I couldn't have missed possibly one of
> > > the most legendary Linux tools, Vim.
> > >
> > > Vim's philosophy of writing and editing text with a language was
> > > completely new for me, so I have quite enjoyed learning about it.
> > >
> > >
> > > However, after reading some introductory texts and few experiments,
> > > I have two questions:
> > >
> > > * how usable is Vim with Orca? I have noticed various rather strange
> > > behaviors like reading currently missed word when navigating
> > > character by character or reading a line in somewhat shuffled order
> > > when I approach it from the next line. H, J, K and L keys doesn't
> > > seem to work at all, I have to use arrow keys, I don't know, whether
> > > this is function of Vim or Orca.
> > >
> > > * Is Vim potentially useful for blind people? I can imagine, that
> > > when a sighted person sees the whole layout of a page, he / she has
> > > an imagination in his / her head what he / she wants to select,
> > > delete or replace, and thus a way to express it wia a special
> > > language can be very handy. However, blind people don't have this
> > > ability, we rather know our current position and drag the selection
> > > from it, until we find the ending point, as our view is limited to
> > > max. one line at once.
> > >
> > > So, the question is, is the ability to define operations with a
> > > language still that advantageous under these circumstances? On a
> > > graphical system, would you use Vim over a traditional editor like
> > > Pluma, or something similar with plugins, and if yes why?
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > >
> > > Rastislav
> > >
> > >
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> > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
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Janina Sajka
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Linux Foundation Fellow
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The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
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