[orca-list] Fwd: Re: List item counts sometimes spoken when list item preference is turned off

[Joanmarie Diggs <joanmarie diggs gmail com>]

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Subject: Re: [orca-list] List item counts sometimes spoken when list 
item preference is turned off
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 10:45:20 +0100
From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>
To: Kyle <kyle4jesus gmail com>, orca-list gnome org <orca-list gnome org>

Hey Kyle.

Thanks for posting this as a new thread. So... The first thing is that 
the checkboxes for what to present during navigation are meant for 
document content; not GUIs. Granted, that's not especially obvious from 
the checkbox name. And what it's meant to do is prevent complete 
announcement of the item itself. In other words, it's not "don't say the 
list count"; it's "don't mention the list at all." So if we want the 
role (e.g. list or listbox) but not the count, that would be a different 
preference I think.

One option is to add yet another new preference (not my personal choice 
because we already have a ton of preferences). Another is to not present 
the number of children when the verbosity level is set to brief. I just 
committed the latter to master. I hope that it addresses your concerns.

Lastly, if memory serves me, the Thunderbird three item count was a 
Thunderbird bug. I cannot reproduce it in Thunderbird Daily. And for 
Blueberry, Orca reports the correct item count for me so I'm not sure 
what's going on with your system.

Hope this helps!
--joanie

On 2/17/20 22:08, Kyle via orca-list wrote:
> I can think of two examples where two or three 100% reproduceable 
> examples where I hear list item counts spoken by Orca, even though 
> "announce list information during navigation" on the speech page is 
> turned off. First, I hear it both in the "To/CC/BCC fields and in the 
> attachment list in Thunderbird. It speaks "Multi-select list with x 
> items" in both places, and the To, CC and BCC fields always present 3 
> items, even if there is only one recipient. I'm not sure why it's saying 
> this, but I thought I wasn't supposed to hear any item count there, 
> especially not an erroneous count, even if the list information 
> preference is turned on, since I didn't think this was supposed to be 
> presented as a list. The other place I always hear item counts is in the 
> device list in the Blueberry bluetooth management application. Again, 
> the count is erroneous, though it seems to vary from time to time. This 
> is announced as "Device list with x items," but the number is never the 
> same and is usually incorrect, and again, the list information setting 
> is turned off. If it helps, I can report this on the GNOME Gitlab to 
> make it easier to track, but I figured it would be good to report it 
> here, since more people can confirm it on the list. Thanks for any help 
> with this issue.
>
> ~Kyle
>
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