[orca-list] Fwd: Re: [Zim-wiki] another accessibility question

[Vojtěch Polášek <krecoun gmail com>]

Hi,

could someone with knowledge of PyGTK accessibility please post his opinion?

You can see behavior of this widget in Latest Zim.

Thank you very much,

Vojta

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Předmět:	Re: [Zim-wiki] another accessibility question
Datum:	Mon, 08 May 2017 07:18:44 +0000
Od:	Jaap Karssenberg <jaap karssenberg gmail com>
Komu:	Vojtěch Polášek <krecoun gmail com>, zim-wiki lists launchpad net

The column with both the name of the page and the number of children is defined in "zim/gui/pageindex.py" line 339 to 350.

This link points directly to that line in the current version: https://github.com/jaap-karssenberg/zim-desktop-wiki/blob/022bfef5b6d55c84832d5f95d8e3e0b111f53864/zim/gui/pageindex.py#L339

In these lines two gtk cellrenderers are defined and packed into a single column. As far as I'm aware this is a normal way to use the gtk column, not a hack or custom widget.

Regards,

Jaap

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:09 AM Vojtěch Polášek <krecoun gmail com> wrote:

HI,

could you please point me to a source file where this tree structure is defined? I would like to send it to people who understand accessibility more than I do.

Thanks,

Vojta

Dne 27.4.2017 v 16:50 Jaap Karssenberg napsal(a):

PS deep respect if you are able to navigate the application just by hearing. Both myself and my girlfriend tried it out but it is really difficult even if you know the application behavior well. 

Which makes me wondering: how do you get started on a new application, when you don't know how it works yet. Just trial and error or do you have some other help for that? 

Regards, 

Jaap 

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017, 14:16 Jaap Karssenberg <jaap karssenberg gmail com> wrote:

Hi Vojta,

Just figured out how to enable Orca and gave it a try. I get the same behavior as you, so I can test it.

I think something goes wrong because we pack two cellrenders into one column object. Only the text of last one is read out if there are children.

Not sure how to fix it. Since this is a normal list formatting for the Gtk toolkit, I suspect there is an interface to indicate what content should be read out. But searching on google, I find very limited information for development of accessible applications in Gtk / Atk.

Do you happen to know where to find resources or discussion about adding accessibility hints to Gtk applications from the developer side ?

Regards,

Jaap

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:02 PM Vojtěch Polášek <krecoun gmail com> wrote:

Hello,

thank you for fixing previous accessibility problem. However, there is
another problem which was present also in previous stable version.

It happens when I browse through the tree control representing index. If
I focus on a page which has subpages, my screenreader announces only
number of subpages and not a name of the page. If I focus on a page
which has no subpages, the name is announced correctly.

Could you please look into this?

Thank you,

Vojta


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