Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

["Glenn" <glennervin cableone net>]

I am sure that they have to do very few disks to sell of the live versions 
of their distros, but there are people who don't know how to burn or 
download an ISO, and that is why they do that.
That, I believe, would be the case with the audio on CD.  Also, I agree that 
NLS cartridges might not be an option, I think it is a good idea for those 
who aren't good at such things.
I always tell my clients about the USB plug on the side for thumb drives, 
but most people over 40 or 50 years of age don't want to mess with all that, 
some do though.
The NLS cartridges are too over priced for just a thumb drive in another 
shape IMO.
But I think people are going to get tired of Microsoft's business practices 
and we may see a greater need for Linux by non-techie types and I think 
there is already a need for these beginner-types of tutorials.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Midence" <alex midence gmail com>
To: "'Glenn'" <GlennErvin cableone net>; "'Al Sten-Clanton'" 
<albert e sten_clanton verizon net>; <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:42 PM
Subject: RE: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed


Orca tutorials on CD are much more likely than those on NLS cartridges 
because Orca and the distros it's on are internationally used whereas NLS 
cartridges are issued by the Library of Congress for the United States. 
Thumb drives are a possibility though.  I don't see them up for sale though. 
It just doesn't really work that way.  I can envision download pages with 
links to download the lessons to audio cd's but not actual cd's sold to 
people any more than you see them selling cd's of the distribution all that 
much.  Some do, some don't but the overwhelming majority of users download 
the .iso images onto cd's locally and then use them that way.  Eliminates 
all the production-related logistical headaches.

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn [mailto:glennervin cableone net]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:23 PM
To: Alex Midence; 'Al Sten-Clanton'; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

Alex,
Those are all good approaches, as I personally can access many methods of 
information such as you mentioned.
But for example, most of the folks I work with use Windows, and they cannot 
even open a web page, so the medium needs to be offered in some other 
medium.
I would like to see the various distros selling tutorials on CD and on NLS 
cartridges, hopefully at a cost of not much more than it takes to produce 
them.
The various distros often sell DVDs of the live version, and they should 
include the option of audio getting started disks as well.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Midence" <alex midence gmail com>
To: "'Glenn'" <GlennErvin cableone net>; "'Al Sten-Clanton'"
<albert e sten_clanton verizon net>; <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed


I get that many of them don't read braille.  Electronic copies don't have to 
be read with braille.  They can be done as epubs that go into smartphones, 
note takers or any other device they can use to read through written 
material.  Most people won't be playing the tutorial or reading the manual 
to a software on the same platform they want to use that software on.
They'll use a medium they are already familiar with to do some preliminary 
virtual reconnaissance and then practice on the new device or software.
I'll give you an example of what I mean:

In 2011, I wrote a brief guide for people to get their feet wet with 
Emacspeak.  I published it in html format with the folks at Vinux and 
submitted it in this format to Dr. Raman so that people could explore it 
using a screen reader they already knew before they launched Emacspeak.
This enabled them to have some idea of what to do before they were placed in 
the unfamiliar environment Of Emacspeak and let them search for information 
they wanted so they didn't have to read through the whole thing later if 
they wanted to remind themselves of something.  It was well received by many 
of the people on the mailing list I originally posted it to because it took 
this approach.  I don't think they were all braille readers either.  Written 
material has its place in tutorials when in electronic format.

Hope this made sense,
Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn [mailto:glennervin cableone net]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:55 PM
To: Alex Midence; 'Al Sten-Clanton'; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

I work in rehab, and sadly, most people who use a screenreader do not know 
Braille.
If I had to guess, I'd say over 90% of screenreader users don't know 
Braille.
Remember that there are adults who lose their sight that do not want to 
learn Braille.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Midence" <alex midence gmail com>
To: "'Al Sten-Clanton'" <albert e sten_clanton verizon net>; "'Glenn'"
<GlennErvin cableone net>; <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed


I think there should be a companion text but written material can't be the 
only medium because not everyone reads braille.  An electronic text
(softcopy) should be the way to go as far as that for them to review with a 
screen reader they already know.  The audio lessons are absolutely great 
though.  You might even go so far as to install a copy of Ilias, Moodle or 
Chamilo on a server and create an online learning solution.  I've often 
toyed with that idea for Orca but I've hesitated because I just don't have 
the time to dedicate to it properly.  I'd go with Ilias if I ever did it 
because it has a built-in point of sale module.  You'd have to assemble a 
team to deploy the software (not too hard if you understand setting up a 
lamp stack) and then creating the courses with certain portions assigned to 
particular individuals.  Some people write better than they speak and so on.
Then, you need to create processes for ensuring it all keeps going and gets 
updated and so on.

Just some thoughts,
Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Al 
Sten-Clanton
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:01 AM
To: Glenn; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

Why not use written material, which allows any spelling and punctuation they 
need to do?

Al

On 09/04/2015 10:58 AM, Glenn wrote:
> Hi Tony and All,
> Thanks for offering some links, and I will keep them for sure, but in
> this instance, I think I will need to find something up-to-date, and
> for Orca users.
> This is a problem on all platforms.
> I have been looking for such podcasts for IOS and Android for my
> clients, and there are podcasts on various apps, or navigating with
> Safari for example, but there needs to be something for just getting
> started.
> Many of my clients have a hard time using the same device to listen
> from and work with at the same time.
> I like to put training material onto a NLS cartridge for them, and
> that way they can easily control the audio material.
> Glenn
>
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