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Re: [orca-list] Very strange bugs in orca when using xfce 4.10

Hi,
I too have gotten XFCE4 up and running in Arch. It is very snappy and works well. You will need to switch to 
pcmanfm for the file manager because Orca can not read the names of files or directorys even in the list view 
of Thunar. I think  this has been fixed in the git version of Thunar, but haven't been able to build it to 
help test.
Anyway, I would like to say thanks to the Orca developers and to XFCE for giving us another option for a 
desktop.
Thanks
Storm
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 03:43 PM, kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com> wrote:


from: kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>
date: Wed, Nov 07 02:43 PM -06:00 2012
to: "Peter VÃÂgner" <pvdeejay gmail com>
cc: orca-list gnome org
subject: Re: [orca-list] Very strange bugs in orca when using xfce 4.10

hi
I was able to get xfce 4.10 to work accessibly by creating a .xinitrc 
file in my home folder with the following lines in it. Note that you 
still need to enable accessibility in xfce 4.10, because this only makes 
it accessible enough to enable the setting.
export gtk_modules=gail:atk-bridge
If you want to be able to type startx in the terminal to start xfce4 add 
the line,  exec startxfce4.
These instructions work on arch linux. I think they work on ubuntu too, 
but I recall being told somewhere that you need to put the export 
gtk_modules bit in a gtkrc2.0 file. Where that is, I'm not sure. You 
will also need to be sure that the version of xfce in ubuntu is at least 
4.10, because any earlier than that does not have the accessibility support.
On 11/07/2012 02:20 PM, Peter Vgner wrote:

Hello,
I am sorry for adding more questions than possible answers but I 
really could not resist and am verry curious.
Something like this frequently happens on my machine with Ubuntu 12.04.
For example if I am waiting for a website in firefox to load and it is 
taking a noticeable time I am left without a feetback for a little while.
While I am curious I tend to press a key or alt+tab to the other 
window and from this moment orca is unable to respond to its keystrokes.
It is even possible to get into this state while trying to use flat 
review in several applications most noticeably firefox and 
thunderbird, also ubuntu application center.
I do have 64 bit machine and I am running 64 bit edition of ubuntu 12.04.
Sometimes restarting orca helps, sometimes restarting the machine is 
needed. I am unable to reliably restart x since I am unable to get the 
login prompt with orca working at all.
After restarting the machine apport comes up with a bunch of reports 
to send. No mather whether I allow it to do its thing or not the 
result is the same. I am occassionally sending out these automatic 
reports for some 3 or 4 months now without noticeable change.
While i was discussing this at the ubuntu accessibility list before a 
few months the suggestion I havent tried is running 32 bit edition of 
ubuntu to compare and make sure this is not the issue.

Also I am currious were you able to get xfsce configured your self or 
had you a sighted help? I feel the whole system is much more laggy 
than windows no mather which version of linux I am running. I have 
tried gnome and unity so far. Perhaps xfsce might be a little bit 
better in this regard. What do you think?

excuse me once more for a lot of questions.

Greetings

Peter


On 7. 11. 2012 19:47, kendell clark wrote:

Hi all
Since we're all discussing bugs, let me add in a couple I've found when
using xfce 4.10 on arch linux. I do have the accessibility settings
enabled in xfce, so it does work with orca, however there are some hard
to reproduce bugs. For example, if I close an ap in xfce, terminal, for
example, orca will randomly crash, causing me to have to restart. Once
orca is restarted with killall -9 orca killall -9 speech-dispatcher,
orca --replace, orca starts up fine, but then refuses to read almost
anything in xfce. The applications menu, any gtk aps I open. The only
fix that I've seen is to either kill x, which can sometimes work, or
restart the machine. There are also lots and lots of speech-dispatcher
segfaults, though i have no idea at all if this is orca related, or a
speech-dispatcher bug. I'm not using pulseaudio at all, but using
speech-dispatcher with alsa, and if there is a phrase that is too long,
perhapse more than a dozen words, the espeak module will segfault out.
Is there a way I can add debug info to orca so if something segfaults, I
can provide orca's tracebacks? If so, i'll put it in my script that
starts orca at login, so it will work from the get go. Sorry for not
being more help, These bugs are not very predictable but they do happen.
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Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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