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Re: [orca-list] my thoughts/decisions about orca

most of my experiences with flat review not working with Firefox
pertain to most any web site; I see the menu bar and sometimes some of
the text of the page but many times, merely jumps down to the status
bar at the bottom of the page.  I have never been able to click on any
of thos links (fake or whatever) on Dropbox and Twitter.

I'll try and look for a specific example and open up a new bug if
necessary.

On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 10:59:46AM -0000, Michael Whapples wrote:

Hello,
As you raised the topic, I will give some of my thoughts.

I have to agree that for a system where one wants to focus on using
it for email, internet and office type work (word processing and
spreadsheet) then orca and gnome are just not cutting it now.
Possibly the office type part is the bit I can say least on, if I
use libreoffice it normally is either because I am dealing with a
word document someone has sent me or its a very basic document or I
know that a word document is desired (eg. the Open University
specify that assignments should be submitted as word or RTF), for
anything more complicated I know LaTeX and so may resort to that.
The main issues I have revolve round the Mozilla products
(thunderbird and firefox) and the unfortunate situation that we are
currently held hostage to using these gnome. Many of you probably
know from previous messages about my gripes with Mozilla based
products, interestingly though flat review is possibly not the thing
I would highlight although it sometimes is in firefox. I know webkit
support is in development, however it still has a bit to go and it
doesn't solve the email problem.

Then there are possibly the more general platform issues, some of
the bugs which have come in since gnome 3, eg. the problem with new
windows not having the focused control shown by orca until a focus
changed event happens (actually I am not sure if its focus changed
because just going into the menu does not seem to resolve it). Some
of these are small but just add to a general feeling of clumbsiness
when using the system. Then there are non-accessibility issues such
as the push to pulseaudio which just tends to make me feel like I am
fighting the system to get something which is workable and is
particularly a problem when I want to have sound both from gnome and
when I am in a text console with speakup, which probably is very
likely due to my feelings about thunderbird and the only other
viable alternatives for email seeming to be text based clients.

I know the above sounds very negative, it has been a bit hard to say
as in the past I have been very keen on Linux and was actively
choosing it over some of the alternatives.

I will finish by saying, there are certainly some uses where Linux
may be the right choice, however for core desktop activities I feel
not.

Michael Whapples
----- Original Message ----- From: "Deedra Waters"
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To: <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:25 PM
Subject: [orca-list] my thoughts/decisions about orca



I'll say this first, i'll still use orca on my linux machines,
however.....

I don't see gnome and orca as a perminant solution for me.

1. firefox tends to puke on most majorly scripted websites. They
say this doesn't happen in windows so i dont understand why it
happens in linux. You can't use flat review in orca to look around
the screens in firefox so if you need to click on something,
you're kind of screwed there unless you get lucky.

2. thunderbird and orca seem to actually work well together.
However. again there seems to be issues with flat review and
reading the screen.

Oddly enough, these 2 things are things i ideally want working.
Especially considering websites are harder and harder to use with
a browser that's notIE or firefox.

3. terminal and orca seem to be generally annoying and ready to
piss off a cli user.

So, my decisions, I'll still use linux boxes for things/services
like samba or nfs. Do i find it good for heavy use by someone who
needs a good browser email and openoffice? No i dont. Mac or
windows for my desktop use i suppose..





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