Re: [orca-list] date and time keybindings

[Steve Holmes <steve holmes88 gmail com>]

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Joanie,

+1 for sure!!!

As for the Jaws compatibility, a big -1!

Like I said before and what Joanie says below, Orca is not Jaws and
just because Freedom Scientific has a large market share in the
Windows arena, we don't have to emulate Jaws nor use its keystrokes.
If some are truely intuitive and coincidentally match up with what we
use in Orca, then so be it.  But please, let's not put in a key
binding or feature just because Jaws has it.  Yes, we're bound to
duplicate some features simply because all screen readers should
probably have it.  But then again, Orca doesn't have a virtual buffer
and I'm very glad it doesn't have it even though other screen readers
do.

Anyway, this discussion does bring me to a question though; how easy
is to create sets of key bindings and say users can create them and
add them to the Orca package and someone can install the keyboard
layout of his or her choice.  Is this a feasible idea? Maybe the heavy
Jaws users can bang their heads together and create a Jaws layout and
submit it to the Orca project.  Yes, maintenance would be increased
but maybe these layouts could be supported like translations are.
Just an idea.

On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 01:48:06PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hi Glenn.
>
> > I prefer the JFW key bindings, as they seem most intuitive to me.
>
> Intuitive or familiar?
>
> >  I wish 
> > someone would make a JFW-like set of key bindings that could be loaded into 
> > Orca.
>
> Do you also wish that someone would make a Windows-like set of key
> bindings that could be loaded into GNOME?
>
> As a reminder, the GNOME desktop is not Windows; Orca is not JAWS. There
> is not a one-to-one correspondence between Orca commands and JAWS
> commands, nor is there a one-to-one correspondence between Orca "modes"
> and JAWS "modes". 
>
> But even if we didn't care about that and figured we'd slap together
> something that kinda sorta mapped for the sake of being familiar for
> JAWS users, we're leaving out a bunch of folks. In order to be fair, we
> should probably do the same thing for Window-Eyes and NVDA users. And
> since Orca also has magnification functionality, we really need to do
> mappings for folks coming to us from ZoomText and MAGic. Oops, almost
> forgot: VoiceOver users.
>
> So that means we'd require the following layouts:
>
> 1. Orca Desktop
> 2. Orca Laptop
> 3. JAWS-like Desktop
> 4. JAWS-like Laptop
> 5. Window-Eyes-like Desktop
> 6. Window-Eyes-like Laptop
> 7. NVDA-like Desktop
> 8. NVDA-like Laptop
> 9. ZoomText-like Desktop
> 10. ZoomText-like Laptop
> 11. MAGic-like Desktop
> 12. MAGic-like Laptop
> 13. VoiceOver-like Desktop
> 14. VoiceOver-like Laptop
>
> More if we need to also ensure a smooth transition for Hal/SuperNova
> users. ;-)
>
> Then there's the maintenance: Even if we decided to discriminate against
> all screen readers but JAWS in this loadable-layout scenario, that would
> give us four keyboard layouts. Currently, when creating new Orca
> commands, it's hard enough to find ideal, intuitive, available
> keybindings. Now we also have to ensure that we find them for two
> additional layouts? And I'd bet money that if we went to all the trouble
> to do so, one of the things we'd see is confused and frustrated users
> posting questions here to the effect of "I'm using the JFW-like set of
> keybindings. So why isn't Orca working like JAWS?"
>
> Having said all that, there's nothing stopping you from binding Orca's
> commands to whatever you'd like them to be.
>
> --joanie
>
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