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Re: [orca-list] Install gnome on archlinux audio

Hello,
See my comments below, sorry for the stupid outlook express text stuff.

Michael whapples
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Holmes" <steve holmes88 gmail com> 
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Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Install gnome on archlinux audio



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Hey, Michael,

I listened to your gnomeinstallation walkthrough yesterday and it was
pretty good; I wanted to compare what you did with the steps I
ultimately took last year when I installed gnome and orca.

I would like to point out some differences and ask a question or too
along the way.

1. Why do you prefer gamin over FAM? I ask that because FAM is
installed by default and automatically included with the combination
of gnome and gnome-extra.
Fam requires starting an extra daemon, no other reason really, I guess laziness, may be also a daemon which might die has been got rid of. 
2. I messed with that orbitrc file thing a bit and noted a couple
corrections that should probably be made.  the is .orbitrc with a dot
in front of the name and according to the wiki, should go in the /root
folder (root's home folder).  Also, it is v4=1 on the first line; I
heard in your presentation just 'v=1' so that may cause a problem.
When I made those changes on my system, I actually heard a dialog come
up indicating that a automatic access was being given to adminissrator
tools or some such.  Actually, I was trying to use root terminal and
that didn't work for me but after reading the wiki, I recall now that
I have to access these admin tools from a gnome terminal with sudo so
will have to play with this further later on today.
Putting it in /etc/ as I do is setting it globally for the system, can't remember where I saw that. There also seems to have been some changes with gnome 2.30 where running some things from terminal seem to be accessible without the orbitrc file (eg. if you go into gnome-terminal, use su and start gedit it will be accessible). I did intend my recording to pick up the 4 in the first line, may be it wasn't clear or may be I missed it being in a rush. 
3. I didn't recall hearing much about gnome-system-tools before this
and discovered it had not been installed previously on my system to my
surprise; I'm surprised it isn't a part of the two main gnome groups
but it is in community so that might explain that.  What did you hear
about gnome-system-tools and why install them?  Just wondering.


The archlinux wiki page on gnome mentions this.

4. How did you come about needing to install specific video drivers? I
just installed xorg if I recall prior to the gnome stuff.  In looking
around here, I see that I installed xf86-video-vesa at a later point
in time but can't remember why now :).
Again the archlinux wiki xorg page mentions this. the xorg group includes xf86-video-vesa, but it suggests this should be used as a fallback as advanced features will not be used and I think this might impact on partially sighted users as compiz requires this and the better magnifier (I think something like ezoom) requires compiz. 
Other than that, it was a very interesting presentation.
Thanks, may be I just have high standards really feeling it needs tweaking into order, although I was rushed and it may explain it, it doesn't help people understand where its going. 

Michael whapples

On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 04:52:08PM +0100, Michael Whapples wrote:

Hello,
I said I would get it done, so here it is. I have just finished
recording an audio tutorial on installing gnome and getting started
with orca on archlinux. While the recording is about one hour and a
quarter, I have gnome running within the first half hour (I think),
so for those of you who know the basics of the gnome desktop and
orca you may choose to leave it once gnome is running.

I will say sorry for it seeming a bit disorganised, I was rushing to
get the recording done before I go away (the laptop has gone in the
bad before its had time to fully cool off). I do intend to possibly
do a bit of editing to rearrange parts of it, but as some have been
asking I thought put something out for people to initially get their
teeth into.

OK, where to get it? Here is the link:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/62v240

Now I did have comments where people complained that sendspace were
asking you to download a client, I don't think you need to if you
select the "Regular download" button.

I will admit I haven't tried downloading this particular file due to
time restrictions, but I will have the original files with me while
I am away, so if there is an issue I can try and get the file
uploaded again.

Finally, I will say if you have any suggestions for future tutorials
on using linux I can see what I can do (I intend to focus it on
using the computer as a desktop).

Michael Whapples

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