Re: [orca-list] linux sound issues Re: Opensolaris Vs. Ubuntu

[Alonzo <mariachiac aim com>]

Hello,

When you use via voice with gnome-speech together with Oss, are you able
to have speech and system sounds/music at the same time?

alonzo  
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 22:39 +0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
> This is the thing, I don't think speech-dispatcher is perfect either.
> There are a few things I would say should be altered so that the
> controlling app could control things better. Punctuation levels from
> orca is an example and another for me is that I think the app should
> be able to specify that speech-dispatcher could output to a different
> sound card from its default.
> 
> I in fact use the viavoice speakup connector with speakup and the
> viavoice gnome-speech driver (altered to use aoss) on my laptop and it
> works well (there was some other reason which I haven't mentioned and
> can't remember why I switched to this set up from speech-dispatcher
> some time ago, I don't know whether the issue has been fixed but I am
> not going to mess up a working system).
> 
> Speech-dispatcher shouldn't be hard to change to, the only reasons
> people have found it hard comes back to the audio issue, ubuntu is
> using pulseaudio and speech-dispatcher is designed as a system service
> (I would say if pulseaudio has to be used then it should be a system
> service, but ubuntu hasn't gone with that definition).
> 
> Michael Whapples
> 
> On 23/12/42 20:59, Steve Holmes wrote: 
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> > Actually, Debian includes speech dispatcher as separate packages but
> > it is not the default speech system for gnome.  However, it is easy
> > enough to change it such.  My only complaint about Speech Dispatcher,
> > and it's a big one, is punctuation and capitalization.  I understand
> > the intent was to expect the synth to handle it with minimal parms
> > from calling it but gnome-speech does a much better job at this.  For
> > one thing, with gnome-speech -> espeak, I can use pitch to indicate
> > capital letters.Also punctuation marks are spoken clearly.  When
> > speech dispatcher is used, I can't change punct levels from Orca but
> > have to modify the parm in speechd.conf and you're stuck with the way
> > espeak pronounces some of them.  If I can get around those big items,
> > I'd probably switch to speech dispatcher exclusively.  Then I can use
> > it with speakup, speechd-el in emacs as well as gnome.
> > 
> > One other thing with a good multi channel sound card like an SB Live
> > or similar, I can use gnome-speech with espeak and switch to a text
> > console running speakup with espeakup and espeak seemlessly.  This
> > current combination works really well for me.
> > 
> > How hard would it be to get in and modify the speech dispatcher module
> > for Orca to handle the punctuation and capitalization like in
> > gnome-speak? I was thinking of cloning code from one to the other but
> > I don't know python well yet.
> > 
> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:35:45AM -0600, Mike Reiser wrote:
> >   
> > > With all the problems users have reported gettig it to work, I think that 
> > > the distros should enclude speech dispatcher and provide it as the 
> > > default. The user should not have to jump through hoops just to get the 
> > > sound to work.
> > > 
> > > Mike
> > > aim screen name: chrchmiker.
> > > MSN screen name: metalhead1009000 gmail com 
> > > Yahoo screen name: miker19882001.
> > > Skype screen name: miker1988
> > > 
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> > > From: "Halim Sahin" <halim sahin t-online de>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:34 AM
> > > To: <orca-list gnome org>
> > > Subject: [orca-list] linux sound issues Re:  Opensolaris Vs. Ubuntu
> > > 
> > >     
> > > > Hello,
> > > > The mentioned audio problem in linux does only ixist because no  
> > > > configuration
> > > > was made to reflect accessibility needs.
> > > > 
> > > > I think I have written this about 20 times in this list:
> > > > 
> > > > Opensound drivers were not free which was the reason for creating
> > > > alsa.
> > > > OSS had no softmixing features at this time!!!
> > > > Currently a user can play and enjoy his favourite song together with  
> > > > speech
> > > > output.
> > > > This needs complex configuration because no distribution does a usefull
> > > > one at this point.
> > > > 
> > > > Currently the biggest problem is gnomespeech.
> > > > Orca uses as default gnomespeech to provide speech.
> > > > This is not a good solution because
> > > > 1. It depends on gnome but we want to use the
> > > > textconsole as well
> > > > 2. it doesn't handle soundoutput itself.
> > > > All synths must implement their own output methods
> > > > This is really bad for endusers.
> > > > They want use viavoice wich is (outdated).
> > > > It uses oss as default and BTW. does it run under opensolaris?
> > > > To use oss apps with orca we have two things.
> > > > 1. use direct oss compat layer  output e. G. through /dev/dsp (wich is 
> > > > the bad
> > > > solution).
> > > > 
> > > > 2. Use aoss wrapper wich is should be prefered because of softmixing!!!
> > > > 
> > > > The best solution for all problems is Speech-dispatcher.
> > > > It has native alsa output and works great for me on all my machines
> > > > 
> > > > my drivers are:
> > > > snd-hda-intel, snd-emu10k1, snd-intel8x0 snd-via17xxx, snd-usb-audio.
> > > > speech-dispatcher plays the speechoutput and doesn't relay on synthesis 
> > > > output stuff.
> > > > 
> > > > I am voting for
> > > > 1. using speech-dispatcher as default speech system under orca.
> > > > 2. Distributions shouldn't try to route sound of speechsystems through  
> > > > soundservers like
> > > > pulseaudio!!!
> > > > Regards
> > > > Halim
> > > > 
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