Re: [orca-list] PolicyKit

[Chris Norman <chris norman4 ntlworld com>]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 14:40 +0300, Mohammed Al-shar' wrote:
> hi Steve and all,
> 
> I read the page http://live.gnome.org/Orca/KeyboardCommands
> but  couldn't find the following: the key that reads the focussed control, 
> something like insert tap in Jaws, and sorry for the analogy here. also, is 
> there a key to read the status bar?

On a laptop, capslock + ; reads the current control, and capslock + /
twice reads the status bar.

HTH.


> 
> thanks,
> Mohammed Al-shar'
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Holmes" <steve holmesgrown com>
> To: <orca-list gnome org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] PolicyKit
> 
> 
> > James, welcome to the list.  I've personally used policykit and I'm fairly
> > new to Gnome and Orca myself.  But in general, most of the battle for a11y
> > can be won by making sure the controls on a dialog are all in the tab 
> > order
> > - you can get to all of them when you press the tab key.  If such controls
> > are all greyed out, then fine; you shouldn't be able to tab to them since
> > they have no focus but you mentioned anunlock button; if that button is in
> > the tab order and is properly labeled, then one should be able to tab to 
> > it
> > and hear that it is an unlock button.  My only concern here may be if that
> > is the only button on the form that is active, you wouldn't be able to 
> > move
> > on or off the button with tab key so you might not know what butt is
> > currently focused.  I suppose this is no different than a dialog with a
> > single OK button today.
> >
> > Another important factor here is a competent screen reader user can
> > supplement reading of the dialog with the flat review keys (numeric 
> > keypad)
> > and hear the entire contents of the dialog including static text, greyed
> > controls, etc.  The one thing I'm unsure of right now is if Orca will tell
> > you that you read a greyed or disabled control with flat review keys or 
> > not.
> > This would be an important feature to add if not already present.
> >
> > Hope this rambling helps.
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: James Westby [mailto:jw+debian jameswestby net]
> >>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:40 AM
> >>To: orca-list gnome org
> >>Subject: [orca-list] PolicyKit
> >>
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>Last week I was attending the Ubuntu Developer Summit, and we had
> >>a session on PolicyKit with the author present. Someone in the
> >>session said that it wasn't very clear when you had entered your
> >>password incorrectly, as the dialog just shakes and clears the
> >>input box. The author said this was clear enough.
> >>
> >>I just read Rich Burridge's blog post on gnome-screensaver-dialog,
> >>and it seems to confirm my suspicions that the policykit-gnome
> >>dialog isn't accessible.
> >>
> >>I'm sorry to say that I know very little about accessibility, but I
> >>would like to help change this. I think we should try and convince
> >>the author to change the design first, but I would like some help
> >>putting a proposal of what should happen together first.
> >>
> >>On top of this I would like someones idea of how accessible policykit
> >>using applications are. Some applications (e.g. users-admin) grey out
> >>most of the controls and place an unlock button on the dialog to make
> >>them usable. Is it clear how the user should proceed when using orca?
> >>Is there anything the applications could do to make it better, or is
> >>this something that orca scripts would be written for?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>James
> >>
> >>
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