Re: Request for ergonomy feature

[Scott Rossillo <scott rossillo net>]

I have a similar problem with sleeping my laptop at work and then  
going home to connect to my wireless network.  I usually resort to  
opening a terminal and restarting the Network Manager service on the  
occasions that the applet refuses to scan for wireless networks in  
timely fashion.

I understand the point that adding a button the "scan for networks"  
may not be ideal.  However, something should be done to address this  
because the average user should not have to open a terminal a restart  
the service just to see new wireless networks.

How about scanning on every single click, regardless of time since  
last scan, if the wireless card is not currently associated with an  
in-range wireless network?

Also, thank you guys for Network Manager ... it's a great application.

Thanks,
Scott


On Oct 11, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Joel Goguen wrote:

> I have a need for it, and I imagine it's a common one.  I have a
> wireless network at home, and I put the laptop to sleep and head to my
> university.  When I get there, I have to wait sometimes minutes for
> the list to refresh and my campus network to appear so NM can attempt
> to connect to it.  Or I can open a terminal and manually restart NM,
> but that's not something a common user should be expected to do IMO.
> When I first get to campus I still see all the networks I can see from
> my house, even though none of them are anywhere near the campus.
> After a few minutes of waiting, during which I'm checking the applet
> list at least once every 30 seconds, the list finally refreshes and NM
> connects to my campus network.  This doesn't seem very user-friendly
> to me.
>
>
> On 10/11/07, Dan Williams <dcbw redhat com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 18:08 +0300, Joan B. Moreau wrote:
> > > Ok, but it is just a pain in the *ss this bug, and everybody  
> > > complains.
> > >
> > > Please, rather than saying "I disagree", maybe propose an  
> > > alternative,
> > > because it is really annoying bug.
> >
> > We already discussed alternatives on this list.  First, NM should  
> > scan
> > quite quickly after dropping the menu down, as long as NM has not
> > scanned within the last 20 seconds.  Currently that may not be the  
> > case,
> > it might push off the scan for 20 seconds.  This is a case of a  
> > bug that
> > should be fixed (if it exists).
> >
> > Furthermore, I don't believe that it's that much of a burden to check
> > the menu twice.  Can you refresh my memory as to what situations
> > explicitly scanning for networks is necessary?  The applet should be
> > kept simple, additional functionality that doesn't fit in the  
> > applet can
> > certainly be farmed out to other tools that are not the applet or NM.
> > The applet should cover 90% of all users needs 90% of the time.  It
> > should _not_ cover 100% of all users needs 100% of the time.   
> > There are
> > some features that just won't be implemented.  I believe  
> > explicitly scan
> > requests fit in that last 10%.  I may be able to be convinced  
> > otherwise.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > > Dan Williams wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 17:20 +0300, Joan B. Moreau wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I know this has been posted and discussed already, but this bug  
> > > > > is *so*
> > > > > annoying, that I guess I am not the only "simple user" having  
> > > > > troubles
> > > > > with that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Would it be possible to fix it ?
> > > >
> > > > I still don't agree that this is the right way to solve the issue.
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks a lot
> > > > >
> > > > > JM
> > > > >
> > > > > Joan B. Moreau wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I like the applet but here my request in terms of ergonomy:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Would it be possible to stop triggering a scan when clicking  
> > > > > > on the
> > > > > > applet (which people do quite frequently to see the available  
> > > > > > networks)
> > > > > > but rather put a menu item "scan for available networks" that  
> > > > > > we can
> > > > > > click when one decide so  ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joan
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