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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:45 AM, <evolution-list-request gnome org> wrote:

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re:  scalabilty issues resolved in next major release
     (2.6.28)? (Brian J. Murrell)
  2. Re:  Heads Up: Merging kill-bonobo this weekend (Matthew Barnes)
  3.  Evolution-Backup after configuration (Allen Meyers)
  4. Re:  Heads Up: Merging kill-bonobo this weekend (Matthew Barnes)
  5. Re:  Heads Up: Merging kill-bonobo this weekend (Reid Thompson)
  6. Re:  scalabilty issues resolved in next major release
     (2.6.28)? (Chenthill)
  7. Re:  Evolution-Backup after configuration (Patrick O'Callaghan)
  8. Re:  Heads Up: Merging kill-bonobo this weekend (Matthew Barnes)
  9.  Copying POP to IMAP troubles (Philippe LeCavalier)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:59:19 -0400
From: "Brian J. Murrell" <brian interlinx bc ca>
To: evolution-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [Evolution] scalabilty issues resolved in next major
       release (2.6.28)?
Message-ID: <1251374359 32281 937 camel pc interlinx bc ca>
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On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 00:49 +0930, Wayne Sierke wrote:


You don't happen to be using a 'Sender or Recipients' condition in your
problematic vfolders, do you?


Nope.  They are just "aggretation" folders so that I don't have to poll
a few dozen rss feeds/mailboxes/newsgroups for new items.

b.

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:11:46 -0400
From: Matthew Barnes <mbarnes redhat com>
To: Art Alexion <art RHD ORG>
Cc: evolution-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Heads Up: Merging kill-bonobo this weekend
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On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 07:32 -0400, Art Alexion wrote:

From reading your article, it appears that the major difference for end
users will be that developers will be better able to fix bugs.


I hope so.  And it will let us add some nice enhancements that we've
been blocked on for years.  Editable menu shortcuts will finally work,
for example.  An editable toolbar is now feasible...


Will there also be performance gains?


I don't anticipate any noticeable change.  Most of the affected code is
just internal architecture and user interface stuff, neither of which
are performance-critical.  The performance-critical stuff lives in the
Evolution-Data-Server package, for the most part.

Matthew Barnes



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:42:19 -0500
From: Allen Meyers <texas chef94 gmail com>
To: evolution-list gnome org
Subject: [Evolution] Evolution-Backup after configuration
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I had occasion to have to reinstall Lenny but could not locate my USB
stick that had my backup so I configured without it.
I apparently was not thinking about how large my address book was.
I now have the backup file.
So is there a way now using the backup to install my contacts.

Thanks


Allen Meyers
texas chef94 gmail com


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:43:51 -0400
From: Matthew Barnes <mbarnes redhat com>
To: evolution-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Heads Up: Merging kill-bonobo this weekend
Message-ID: <1251377031 9344 30 camel localhost localdomain>
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On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 07:57 -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote:

Well, this is not the only possible difference for end users.  If
developers of extensions (i.e. evolution-rss, evolution-jescs, etc.)
don't jump on the bandwagon before the GA release of evolution sans
bonobo, some users will be missing functionality.  :-(


True.  I'll be helping them out as much as possible.  I think most of
the extension authors are aware that drastic changes are coming, so
we're not blindsiding anyone.

Matthew Barnes



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:45:55 -0400
From: Reid Thompson <reid thompson ateb com>
Cc: evolution-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Heads Up: Merging kill-bonobo this weekend
Message-ID: <1251377155 30088 10 camel raker ateb com>
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On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 07:57 -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote:

the major difference for end users will be that developers will be

better able to fix bugs.


will MAPI be building straight out of the evo tree?
will it still be dependent upon unreleased SAMBA 4?
Boils down to two concerns, will I still be able to "easily" build from
HEAD and still be able to access MS Exchange...



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:03:16 +0530
From: Chenthill <pchenthill novell com>
To: "Brian J. Murrell" <brian interlinx bc ca>
Cc: "evolution-list gnome org" <evolution-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [Evolution] scalabilty issues resolved in next major
       release (2.6.28)?
Message-ID: <1251379996 6372 42 camel linux-adcj>
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On Mon, 2009-08-24 at 08:02 -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote:

On Sun, 2009-08-23 at 21:53 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


Your BZ report talks about issues with large newsgroups.


Indeed.


Are you seeing
the same with large mail folders?


I don't have any/enough mail folders that compete with the quantity/size
of newsgroups.


I have one IMAP folder with over
60,000 messages in it and I don't see any sluggishness (maybe a few
seconds on startup),


That's not surprising then.  Not that I trust the message counts much
anymore (since the sqlite migration fiasco), but the vfolder that
aggregates all of my newsgroups says there are 418389 messages in it
with 418344 unread (i.e. only 5 unread messages -- yeah right).  However
I know the difference between read and unread messages is in reality
much much greater than that.  Case in point for not trusting the message
count numbers any more.  But I digress on to yet another bug.

Performance in an individual (real) folder is great.  Switching from
message to message is quick.  It's in vfolders which represent a large
aggregation where the message-to-message performance is sluggish, and of
course, as I have said, startup times after a crash (which is still too
frequent an occurrence unfortunately) is on the order of close to 10
minutes if not more and when I strace it, it's all reads/writes to the
sqlite db(s).


 but I don't use Evo for newsgroups.


You should try it sometime if you want to see the scaling problems.

I use gmane and nntp for mailing lists instead of getting the mail
delivered here.  Doing that really highlights the scaling problems.

IMHO, the evo developers (especially the ones responsible for its
scalability) should be *required* to use gmane for all of their mailing
lists.  Nothing like having to eat your own dogfood to making it taste
good.

Some of the vfolder issues and sqlite summary issues have been covered
at,
http://www.go-evolution.org/Bugzilla_Topics#evolution.5Bdisk-summary.5D

They are part of the road-map  http://www.go-evolution.org/Evo2.28 and
is being worked upon. But am not sure how many would be fixed for 2.28.

Thanks, Chenthill.


b.

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:50:03 -0430
From: Patrick O'Callaghan <poc usb ve>
To: evolution-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Evolution-Backup after configuration
Message-ID: <1251382803 16915 32 camel bree homelinux com>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 07:42 -0500, Allen Meyers wrote:

I had occasion to have to reinstall Lenny but could not locate my USB
stick that had my backup so I configured without it.
I apparently was not thinking about how large my address book was.
I now have the backup file.
So is there a way now using the backup to install my contacts.


Assuming that by "backup" you mean the internal Evo function
File->Backup Settings, then it shouldn't be difficult. The backup file
is just a tar.gz archive, so you can use standard tools to extract any
part of it you want. Or just extract the whole thing to a temporary
directory and move the Contacts parts into place.

Be sure to halt Evo completely ("evolution --force-shutdown") before
touching the .evolution subtree.

poc


Patrick:
I do indeed appreciate your speedy reply and what will be a huge time
saver to me, BUT at 77 my comprehension is not what it once was so
would you be so kind as to give me a one, two three. Yes it is the
evolution-backup file you indicated.


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:30:45 -0400
From: Matthew Barnes <mbarnes redhat com>
To: evolution-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [Evolution] Heads Up: Merging kill-bonobo this weekend
Message-ID: <1251383445 506 5 camel dhcp-100-2-219 bos redhat com>
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On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 08:45 -0400, Reid Thompson wrote:

will MAPI be building straight out of the evo tree?
will it still be dependent upon unreleased SAMBA 4?


Yes and yes.  No changes to evolution-mapi.

evolution-exchange, on the other hand, is severely broken right now
since it leans heavily on Bonobo features.


Boils down to two concerns, will I still be able to "easily" build from
HEAD and still be able to access MS Exchange...


Like I said, stay away from "master" for awhile if you need working
builds.  Stick with the 2.27 codebase on the gnome-2-28 branch.

Matthew Barnes



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:43:32 -0400
From: Philippe LeCavalier <support plecavalier com>
To: evolution-list gnome org
Subject: [Evolution] Copying POP to IMAP troubles
Message-ID: <1251384212 8447 34 camel localhost>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi,

I'm having a really hard time moving my mail from a POP local archive to
the IMAP server. Moving messages(1 or many) works fine. Moving single
folders works fine. But moving folders that contains messages OR moving
folders that contain subfolders(also containing messages) fails without
any errors. Evo creates the subfolders but never copies the messages!
I've been burnt badly by this. I've restored my mail archive from
backup(~250MB worth) and I'm trying once again to copy the archive over.

I've tried right-clicking on the folder(to "copy") as well as drag 'n
drop(to move) and both yield the same issue -no messages in the
subfolders. This may verywell be a server-side issue...I'm just looking
for some experiences/advise on how to do this so I can move on to ACTUAL
WORK :)

Thanks in  advance.

Cheers,
Phil

P.S. I realize that moving large amounts of folders/mail is prone to
fail. So I've tried toning down the amount being copied. But even with
very small amounts of mail (root folder with 10-12 email-->subfolder
with 10-12 emails) still fails to copy messages in the subfolder.

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