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On Apr 2, 2008, at 1:51 PM, T.V Raman wrote:


We inject the ARIA markup and other enhancements as needed from
the core Reader product.

Most of these attributes are added at runtime, not in static
markup, since Reader is a very dynamic Web Application -- it's
*not* a document.

Also, in general, we will only emit ARIA markup to clients that
are capable of using the enhancements; it would be silly to ship
extra bytes to a browser that is going to throw it away.
Is that true even for the special ARIA-enhanced version, which you have to use a hidden link to get to? Could I ask you to reconsider this policy? It will make it difficult to test new ARIA-supporting browsers against Google Reader, and would make it difficult for them to support ARIA in Google Reader until it updates.
In particular, when ARIA support becomes available in Safari/WebKit, we'd love to be able to use Google Reader as one of our test cases, and to have users able to use it right away. But based on what you say, it sounds like that won't work until Google makes a change on the server side. 

Cheers,
Maciej





David Bolter writes:

Maciej Stachowiak wrote:

On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:14 AM, David Bolter wrote:



Hi Maciej,

Maciej Stachowiak wrote:


On Apr 1, 2008, at 12:13 PM, David Bolter wrote:




Hi Maciej,

Thanks very much for providing this information. I have a brief
comment about your accessibility section below:


This wording "Sometimes ARIA is mentioned in the context of
accessibility - this is an interesting technology for future web
apps" doesn't seem quite right to me. ARIA enabled browsers such
as  Firefox provide access to ARIA enabled DHTML applications
today.  Opera and IE8 are adding support today. Google is putting
ARIA into  its web applications.



So far as I know, there isn't any major web app yet that is
already using ARIA. I would appreciate correction on this front if 
I have  missed anything.
Sure. I'm not sure what classifies as a major web app, but how about 
google reader?
http://www.google.com/reader/view/?ui=axs



I did find Google Reader in the FAQ just now, but it took me a while
to find the ARIA-enhanced version, since the main version does not
have ARIA markup and just has an invisible link. I'm looking right now for actual signs of ARIA markup in the axs version using the live DOM 
view of the Safari web inspector, I can't seem to find any elements
with aria-* attributes on them. Can anyone help me figure out where to 
look?



You can see aria- markup in the html view of Firebug on FF.  Here's a
screenshot:
http://david-bolters-computer.local/workspace/exploratory/google-reader-aria.png

(I squished the window to waste less bits)

In this example the body has the aria-activedescendent specified. I
imagine Google might be injecting the aria markup (via AxsJax) so I'm no 
sure what to expect on Safari. I tried using Drosera on Webkit but
didn't see the markup there either. Maybe Charles or T.V. will chime in :) 

cheers,
David




(In-the-wild use of ARIA is important for us for prioritization, and
eventually testing, which is why I'd like to know about it.)

Cheers,
Maciej

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