Re: _NET_WM_HERE (was Re: Do-not-disturb protocol)
- From: Lubos Lunak <l lunak suse cz>
- To: wm-spec-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: _NET_WM_HERE (was Re: Do-not-disturb protocol)
- Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:14:46 +0100
On Monday 23 January 2006 16:33, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> On 2006-01-23, Lubos Lunak <l lunak suse cz> wrote:
> >> WM_CLASS/ROLE doesn't do the same thing, as it isn't usually unique for
> >> each window. Session management is closer, but it only works over entire
> >> stored sessions.
> >
> > But CLASS/ROLE should uniquely identify a window within an application.
> > If some app can't get this right I don't think it'd get something else
> > similar right either.
>
> The number of applications that bother to set class/role to anything
> meaningful can be calculated with the fingers of one hand. Most of those
> that bother with role at all seem to be KDE/Qt apps. And what about
> multiple running instances of the application? Not that _NET_WM_HERE would
> help over restarts there either, but it would for running applications
> popping up windows. Of course, if programs bothered to set instance to
> something different for every running instance of the program, or for every
> different "session" that the same process may be running, the properties
> could be useful.
I guess the window group could be used for this. Of course, if apps actually
would set it in some useful way.
> But I don't think there's any hope of most programs setting the properties
> to anything sane, and thus the properties being nevertheless usually set to
> something instead of being unset, become useless. Indeed, X session
> management doesn't use the class/instance/role properties either. Infact,
> another way to think of _NET_WM_HERE would be _NET_WM_UNIQUE_IDENTIFIER for
> single-application session management within or across X sessions. A kind
> of dynamically configurable class/instance/role with the configuration
> interface on the window manager side.
And you seriously expect apps that can't do something relatively simple as
setting CLASS/ROLE to support _NET_WM_HERE?
I don't see how pushing a kludge designed to workaround apps failing do
things properly should help anything when it requires the same amount of work
like the old thing plus some more work. For _NET_WM_HERE apps would need to
be able (internally) uniquely distinguish all their toplevel windows in order
to store this info - but if they manage to do this they can as well simply
set ROLE.
And with ROLE you should be able to uniquely identify any window in a
specific application. CLASS/INSTANCE should identify different kinds of
applications, and CLASS/INSTANCE/ROLE/PID/HOSTNAME (replace PID/HOSTNAME with
SM_CLIENT_ID for sessions) should uniquely identify any toplevel window.
--
Lubos Lunak
KDE developer
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