Re: Still need a hint for undecorated windows

[Bill Haneman <Bill Haneman Sun COM>]

Elijah Newren wrote:

> On 7/25/05, Adam Jackson <ajax nwnk net> wrote:
>  
>
> > On Monday 27 June 2005 14:59, Havoc Pennington wrote:
> >    
> >
> > > What are you asking for? I think everyone had a consensus that we'd keep
> > > supporting the MWM hints, which let app authors do what they want.
> > >      
> > So is there language in the wm-spec documenting this decision?
> >    
>
> Well, this probably isn't the answer you were looking for, but no, the
> only language in the spec is that the MWM hints are deprecated. 
This is, as you suggest, totally unhelpful.

If WMs don't support what apps want, apps will hack around this or vote 
with their feet, finding WMs that allow them to do what they want 
(however crazy we think that may be).  This undermines the whole value 
of having a spec.  If a spec is too rigid or limited, then it's almost 
like having no spec at all - the whole point of a spec is having a 
STANDARD, supported way of doing things.  The point of a wm spec is NOT, 
IMHO, to tell application writers what kind of interfaces they 
should/shouldn't be creating.

:-(

Bill

> Tuomo
> already pointed out he won't support no-decoration-requests, and I
> think he has provided perfectly valid reasoning.  I would be inclined
> to do likewise if I were writing my own WM.  Anyway, if you think your
> app needs these hints to be supported, just tell your users to use a
> WM that allows you to boss it around.
>
> Sorry if that's not the answer you wanted,
> Elijah
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