Re: Still need a hint for undecorated windows

[Havoc Pennington <hp redhat com>]

On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 09:44 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> 
> but the spec doesn't even let you know OF the hacks to do it - it doesn't say
> "here is a "one hammer to solve all problems - UNTIL it's in the spec". it
> claims to want to obsolete previous hints (like mwm) and thus implied "do not
> use these" so a programmer goes "so how then do i do this?". a programmer may
> not realise wm's will still support the mwm hints until the end of the world
> comes because of legacy apps.

I think I'd say that app developers aren't even the target of EWMH; it's
for toolkit developers.

Qt and GTK and so forth all offer API that hides this cruft.

If people don't use a toolkit then this is the least of their
problems...

I don't think documenting MWM is really that evil, don't get me wrong. I
just don't want to see people thinking "problem solved" at that point.

Havoc