Re: [Usability] Re: making the conceptual model more concrete

On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 17:02, Luis Villa wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 17:10, David Adam Bordoley wrote:
> > From: Wesley Leggette <wleggette iit edu> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > So if you were to write some sort of new HIG for a document centric
> > > model, what would it look like? 
> > > 
> > 
> > The HIG is mostly a technical layout guide and provides some good basic 
> > metholodgy for describing how apps should internally interact with the user. 
> > It really does not address the issue of user interaction model at all. I 
> > suspect that the biggest changes will occur in the menus section. Most 
> > likely dropping items that no longer are needed and adding new ones. (quit 
> > is already recommended for deprecation in the draft hig for instance.) 
> I think you're missing the point, Dave :) The point (at least for me,
> mind you ;) is not 'does the HIG address model and methodology.' I agree
> that that is probably inappropriate. The point should be 'what would a
> doc that addresses GNOME/Free Software models and methodology look
> like'?. Better yet- 'where is that doc'? 

I've never been able to say this so truthfully: My point exactly.
Seriously, though. I'm not asking what a document about the methodology
would look like. I'm asking what the apps would look like. And when I
said "if you were to write" I really mean "when are you going to write".
I was just trying to be nice (subtle) about it ;). 

Also, I'm really excited about what you're talking about, so for god's
sake, hurry up. I want my DBAs now!

> Usability in GNOME is going to continue to be stymied if the models and
> methodologies live only in certain people's heads. That information
> needs to be structured and written down so that others can read, learn,
> and contribute in a structured and constructive manner. I suggest a
> thorough re-reading of Havoc's posts last week, which said this far
> better than I can. If you (or anyone else) wants to do work that will
> have serious, long term impact on GNOME, that's how it has to happen-
> methodology and documentation. The HIG was a great start in that
> direction and has already made a huge impact. Similar documentation
> about other methodologies for design in GNOME will be needed for us to
> take the next step.
> </rant>
> Luis
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