Re: Menu guidelines updated

[Liam Quin <liam holoweb net>]

> On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Liam Quin wrote:
>> Unless they use a window manager that doesn't provide that option in
>> the title bar, or that doesn't show title bars.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 07:57:19PM +0200, Reinout van Schouwen wrote:
> I tought of that possibility, but I suppose that if a user is savvy enough
> to know how to install and configure a different than the default wm, then
> he probably also knows how to close his app.

We should make Gnome's expectations explicit for the sake of people
writing a window manager.

For example, open look programs didn't include FIle->Quit, because this
was supplied by the window manager. Sometimes if you used a different
window manager you ended up with no obvious way to quit a program!

>> Personaly I'd like to see the title bar and the meny
>> bar integrated, to save screen space and to get rid of the window
>> manager menu being different from the application's menus.
> 
> That would leave no space for actual titles in the title bar, for many
> programs anyway.

The title could appear when the program was inactive, and be replaced by
the menus when the window had focus, perhaps.

I like wm2 / wmx a lot, which puts title bars vertically on the left of
the window -- most screens have more horizontal space than vertical.

But my point was just that the desired end result be documented -- e.g.
will there always be a title in a pop-up dialogue box?  will the window
title always be visible?  will the window manager always supply a Close
menu item, and will it iconify the program and leave it running, or
make it quit?  will the window manager always put transient pop-up
windows on top of the parent (no, I turn that off!) and so on.

Lee

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