Re: [HIG] Re: the separator in GtkDialog

[Maciej Stachowiak <mjs noisehavoc org>]

On 12Nov2001 02:25PM (+0000), Calum Benson wrote:
> 
> Perhaps something we ought to think about and mention in the HIG if
> necessary...
> 

I think just putting some vertical whitespace looks better than
putting a separator. We should try it and see how it would look in a
Gtk+ context.

Overuse of group boxes and separators can lead to visual clutter, and
in this case the separator does not serve an essential purpose (the
button row will still be easy to identify visually).

If we all agree on this we should tell Havoc right away and not
necessarily wait until we put it in the HIG.

> Cheeri.
> Calum.
> 
> Havoc Pennington wrote:
> > 
> > jacob berkman <jacob ximian com> writes:
> > > I would like to start of by making a plea here for the removal of the
> > > separator in GtkDialog.  i think it is a dumb waste of space, and
> > > haven't seen any cases where it's useful (in fact, until recently i ran
> > > a patched gnome with the separator removed).
> > >
> > > that aside, it is pretty nasty that you can turn the separator on / off
> > > in message dialogs.  either gtk should always put the separator there,
> > > or it never should.  otherwise, we get some annoying inconsistency
> > > (besides having to pass GTK_DIALOG_NO_SEPARATOR to all of the message
> > > dialogs).
> > >
> > > i don't know if this has been beaten to death, but it is something that
> > > should probably get a little bit of attention before 2.0.
> > >
> > 
> > The thought was this: if you have a dialog containing a frame, then
> > you don't want the separator also, but if you have a dialog with no
> > frame, you probably want a separator. So that's why it's
> > programmer-configurable instead of a theme thing.
> > 
> > For message dialogs, I suppose the current idea is that you should not
> > be turning it off. We should probably enforce that by ignoring the
> > flag on message dilaog creation, Owen says he agrees. Though
> > set_has_separator() would still work.
> > 
> > As to whether it should be an option at all or ever be on at all, I
> > guess it's kind of a style guide or graphic design issue, I am fairly
> > unopinionated on this and not sure how to go about deciding.
> > 
> > Havoc
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