Re: [gtkmm] future of gtkmm

[apothek glaws jeenis glawzmoeller <apothek ukr net>]

John Taber wrote:

> This thread seems to confuse several different issues:
>
> 1) future of gtkmm itself - with the exception of keeping up with latest gtk 
> releases and adding documentation, the only real issue for the future is 
> whether there is a strong enough developer base to continue all the excellent 
> work should Murray ever lose interest.  
>
> 2) the future of Gtk - it's said that gtk is way behind Qt so catching up and 
> surpassing Qt features is the first challenge.  The second challenge might be 
> to develop more intelligent widgets such as validated input boxes and even a 
> standard dialog box template that handles all the IO and okay/cancel/help 
> actions, or even a opengl widget with scrollbars+zoom buttons, a really good 
> UML template system, etc  - these type of intelligent widgets/templates could 
> save lots and lots of coding time. It trades off a little flexibility (but 
> with open source you can always modify things) but the productivity gains are 
> huge.
>
> 3) the future of C++ - while most of the discussion centers on smart pointers 
> and garbage collection, as head of a software company, I don't find memory 
> mgmt to be that big a deal for us (though we could really use more 
> intelligent debuggers, something like valgrind and lint on steriods) - For us 
> the real issues are major gains in productivity and  profitabililty which are 
> centered around needing better tools - like more intelligent UML, code 
> generation, testing, and project mgmt metrics.  New functions, smart 
> pointers, etc (ie D language) are all good but they are incremental 
> improvements 
>
> John 
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>  
   Yes, that's true.
In my opinion it's need  to finalize gtk+ and GTK-based GNOME desktop 
and let the C++ing begins. It's need either to write a NEW GNOME-like 
desktop based on gtkmm, 'cause it C++ (in concurrention (f.e. Havoc has 
denied productivity of rewriting), but at least all wrapping work must 
be done) or KDE (which for now is outmarching GNOME in development 
temp!) will stay numero uno as *nix desktop (not for distributors due to 
Trolltech's Qt licensing policy, but for user which is the Customer and 
King).
    Now we have 2 conceptions of underGNOME development - gtk+/GNOME 
and ALL GTK+ WRAPPERS. It goes in parallel. That the wasting the time!
   For ordinary developer who works as applicative programmer for some 
firm  is important to develop an application fast and qualitatively. 
He's comparing Qt and gtkmm. And he sees that Qt's API is CLEARER and 
more intuitive. No differences for him GNOME it is or KDE, bonobo or 
kparts, DCOP. And he chooses Qt. Well, I like gtk+, but gtkmm has to 
change it's API and progressively to thicken its own API(to simplify the 
working over trees, listboxes, even to forsake the smart pointers. At 
least, it needs, for example, qualitative and good APIed GRID widget 
(not the terrible shamanic dances on the listview that we have now)).
   Maybe it's a flood. Anyway, sorry for my pidgin :)

Sincerelly yours, Baron Moenghausen.
PS. The theme is very interesting.