Re: redhat 8.0/gnome 2 antialiased fonts

[Alexander F Borro <alex borro blueyonder co uk>]

Nice someone agrees and I hope the lead developers and designers take
this point home for the next release. Again I don't mean this badly but
I have asked quite few people and agree on my observations and like the
look of the revised settings shown in my screen shot, whilst the anti
aliased font don't look worse as such they don't look any better (I know
this is subjective).   With anti-aliasing switched off the thinner fonts
I find make reading toolbars and menus much easier. Hate to make the
comparison but XP has nice thin anti aliased fonts on menus and
toolbars. 

If the where a choice of a "thin" anti aliased font that would do but
the choice ifs fairly limited in font settings and I just can;t get to
get to look like that in spite of playing with all the rendering
settings etc found in the details menu in font settings..  

The point I guess I want to make while it is a supposedly big selling
point for gnome2 I can't say I am convinced at this time, in this
release anyway but it could be an issue of fonts available (as it is the
first version using it) rather than an anti aliasing issue, to the new
user that it is immaterial.  

I also think that for newbies and people who get first impressions of
the desktop this is important. I hope  that this might be considered for
the next 8.x release i.e. to achieve a default settings that gives a
more consistent look and feel between gnome1.4 and gnome 2.0 apps on
gnome2.

happy gnoming


On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 10:10, Toralf Lund wrote:
> > I have just installed redhat 8.0 and thumbs up, congrats a usual with
> > redhat releases.
> > 
> > I hope that you don't take the following as an offense but that it will
> > provide constructive criticism. It is the issue of anti aliased fonts.
> > In my view and I have asked others their opinion and agreed with me that
> > the aa fonts somehow don't look quite right in gnome 2.0 apps and the
> > desktop.  They appear out of focus somewhat and don't make the desktop
> > look any clearer to me ( Both the same affect on two machines I have
> > installed.
> I agree.
> 
> I tried disabling antialiasing in fontconfig (as opposed to disabling Xft 
> completely) at one stage, but the results were really bad. The fonts 
> seemed to be drawn at a very low resolution, if you know what I mean.
> 
> > Perhaps I am missing the point and it is the type of fonts installed but
> > from what I can see, if I disable it with GDK_USE_XFT=0 (which I have
> > put in my .bashrc_profile) and set the sans font size to 9 in
> > preferences it looks much nicer ( to me anyway).  On top of that it
> > makes pre-gnome 2 applications like galeon and evolution look more at
> > home, for instance gnome terminal a gnome 2 app looks identical with the
> > menus/toolbar as evolution galeon does.
> > 
> > Would it not have been advisable to make to whole desktop look as
> > consistent as possible?   With the default settings gnome2 and gnome 1.4
> > apps look too different for my liking and really makes the whole thing
> > give a way the fact that it is a halfway house between gnome 1.4 and
> > gnome 2.0.
> Once again, I fully agree.
> 
> Didn't someone somewhere create a lib (GDK replacement?) that would add 
> Xft rendering to Gtk-1 apps?
> 
> > 
> > Here is a screen shot of what it looks like now. Notice how the desktop,
> > gnome-terminal and evo have identical looking fonts and are easy to
> > read.
> > 
> > Is there a way with aa switched on to get those nice thin looking fonts
> > I have now because it seems to me that anti aliasing only seems to swell
> > them up, so to speak and leaves pre gnome 2 apps alone with gnome 1.4
> > looking fonts.
> > 
> > Alexander Borro
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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