Re: [gst-devel] Re: RFC: GNOME 2.0 Multimedia strategy

["josh mcgee" <plazma803 home com>]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Schaller" <Uraeus linuxrising org>
To: <gnome-hackers gnome org>; <gnome-sound-list gnome org>
Cc: <gstreamer-devel lists sourceforge net>
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 7:34 AM
Subject: [gst-devel] Re: RFC: GNOME 2.0 Multimedia strategy


> Hi people,
> I thought I should try to summarize the discussion on IRC last night in
> order to let everyone stay informed. I might be misquoting people here,
> but I guess if I am people will correct me :)
>
> The discussion had mainly four participants being Elliot Lee, Sander
> Vesik, Erik Walthinsen (lead GStreamer developer) and myself. Have to
> admit that I probably the least active one in the discussion leaving the
> technical bits to Erik.
>
> For those not reading my previous mail the GStreamer homepage is
> (http://www.gstreamer.net)
>
> Anyway both Elliot and Sander where sceptical about the use of asm
> cothreads in GStreamer.
> The following decisions/conlusions was made.
> a) The use of cothreads is easily replaceable and Erik plans on making a
> pthreads fallback for it. The pthreads version Erik will start hacking
> on in about 2-3 weeks.
>
> b) In order to prove one way or the other that the use of cothreads
> doesn't pose a big risk we will try to stage some kind of largescale
> user testing in order to confirm wether cothreads in fact works on
> 99% of the systems it claims to support.
>
> c) Sander was sceptical of the performance gains cothreds gave so he and
> Erik will conduct some performance tests comparing cothreads and a
> pthreads implementation.
>
> Think that was the core of that discussion.
>
> Ok, the other part was concerning soundservers. Elliot objected to the
> use of GStreamer for `gnome_play_sound("bleep.wav")` stuff feeling it
> was overkill and felt that this type of sounds should go directly to the
> soundserver.  He did however agree that we should use GStreamer for the
> applications currently in gnome-multimedia.
This makes alot of sense, but what if i wanted gnome_play_sound("gnome.mp3")
;) as my startup sound, wouldnt GStreamer be better suited for this?
>
> Personally I think we should use GStreamer for both, since when he have
> GStreamer there (which we agreed upon we should) I think we should use
> it for everything, especially since that would give us full soundserver
> independence. A soundserver might however be a easier dependance for
> gnome-libs, since GStreamer at least if not packaged wisely could pull
> in a  lot of sub-dependancies. (See GStreamer roadmap for details:
> http://www.linuxrising.com/files/gstreroadmap2.html)
>
> There where a lot of discussion concerning the advantages of different
> solutions like esd, asrtsd, asd and gnostream and using GStreamer for
> also system 'dings' would make us much more flexible and even allow
> users & distributions to choose for themselves what soundserver to use.
>
> This is however not a major point and Elliot did say he would check in
> code to gnome-libs to make switching soundserver easier.
>
> Elliot would also do some research on media/soundserver technologies in
> order to send a recomadation to this this list for what such technology
> to use in conjunction with GStreamer under GNOME 2.0.
>
> Conclusion was that I think people agree on GStreamer being part of
> GNOME 2.0 with the only objections being on implementation details
> and practical use. Issues which easily can be solved.
>
> Christian
>
>
>
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