Re: Nautilus dogginess

[Remi Cohen-Scali <Remi Cohen-Scali COM>]

Daniel Hauck wrote:

> Okay, someone asked me to give Nautilus 1.02  a chance before bashing.  I've
> given it a chance.
>
> Firstly, I discovered the dependency problem the put a brake on installing.
> It seems that there was a libgtop-examples RPM installed that was dependant
> on a prior version.  The Ximian packages aren't offering a similar package
> to upgrade the examples RPM and so the dependency couldn't be resolved.  I
> resolved it manually by removing the libgtop-examples RPM from my system and
> all installed well.
Is this really nautilus fault. Or rpm ?...

> I have Nautilus is all its sluggish glory installed.  It's SLOW.  It's not
> Nautilus's fault though... it seems someone made the decision to use Mozilla
> instead of GTKhtml.  If I'm not mistaken, GTKhtml is faster if more
> simplistic than Mozilla.  Mozilla simply is and always has been a slow dog.
> Netscape 6 was based on Mozilla and it went over like a lead balloon.
Netscape 6 was built with a mozilla being in development. First target 
of mozilla was correctness. Performances are addressed now... and this 
job is well done.

> What makes the Nautilus team think that Nautilus based on Mozilla will go
> over any better than Netscape based on Mozilla?
They are not pessimistic, or perhaps too much optimistic :-)

> Again, I must reinforce that it cannot be a performance problem with my
> machine as it's loaded with very nice stuff under the hood.  That said, I
> must say I still prefer to use and will continue to use GMC for my file
> browsing.  It's simply faster and it works.
With such considerations, I remember that first release of GMC could 
have been run on my dual powered ... rubbish bin ! Please consider 
products comparisons at some comparable development stages...GMC is now 
a very good product, but I assume that better can still be done.

> Okay, so Nautilus wins the beauty contest hands-down.  But this isn't a
> beauty contest.  It's an operating environment...a place where operations
> are carried out.  If I have to pause for each directory to be loaded and
> rendered, that's silly.
No. that is an effort to make available a new product to open source 
community. Even if they are wrong, I prefer to tell "thanks, but could 
you change it, .. wouldn't be better if,.. I improved that ...". That is 
the way good stuff arises... like GMC 

> One other issue I have with Nautilus that might help make up for its speed
> shortcomings -- there is no way to set the default view that I can detect.
> It always defaults to having the large icons and all that stuff.  I prefer
> the list/detailed view of files but I must select that for every directory I
> browse.  What an annoyance!  And I have turned off every speed-draining
> option I could find.
Obviously, some configuration options are still missing. You cannnot 
create some links on the desktop but by converting the GMC ones or in a 
do it by hand way (or I didn't find the path to the menu). Nevertheless 
this is a good shoot. I can really use it on a dailly basic and it 
reveals to be very stable and usable. Of course with a strong workstation...

> Sorry for being so mean about this I really didn't mean to be but it's kind
> of disappointing after all the wait+hype.  I'm still rooting for the Gnome
> camp because I like the style.  But those KDE folks are gaining ground in a
> very "sturdy" kind of way... it's reminiscent of the Volkswagen development.
> The earliest models were very ugly cars but they were reliable and they ran
> forever.  Now there are Porsche's and Audi's out there that are both looking
> nice and performing well and it's pretty much all based on the principles
> set out by Volkswagen.
>
>
>
> So what do you think?  Give up on so much of the glitz and glamour and focus
> more on operational performance?  Many people have given up on using
> enlightenment as their Window manager of choice because of performance
> issues.  I think it warrants some attention here.
Definitly yes. But I have good hopes when I see the improvements of 
mozilla (without loss of quality). Nautilus is still in the beginning of 
its life. Enlightenment is heavy, nobody can denied that. But 
enlightenment is also really kind. At last it is only a matter of taste, 
and every one to his taste. It is still available with Gnome and people 
who like it will pay the price for it. Basicaly it is still providing 
some services, at least for the esthetes.

> I've said more than my piece here... thanks for reading.
You're welcome. I wish wether you'll give nautilus another chancewhen it 
will reach the same GMC level and I hope that disappointementwill not be 
the main feeling (I like it :-)

Regards

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> Keller
> UNIX *is* user-friendly; it's just picky about its friends.
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