Re: Advocacy report [part 1]

[Danny Ho <dho cit nepean uws edu au>]

On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Paul G Cooper wrote:


Why would you want use GNOME.

If you wanted to use GNOME etc in companies.

You will have to:-

1)Document new procedures
2) Train the user on the system.
3) Train the support staff on how to support GNOME on Linux or BSD .

But I would use GNOME at home

Even though LInux, Freebsd,Macintosh OS 8 is better than NT. I will never
endorse companies to use the above OS.

But you should have standards. Even though using Freebsd, Linux or a Mac
might be better. Why make your job differcult by not complying with
standards:)

> 
> Hi,
> 
> You might remember that I asked for some advocay tips a while ago - well
> now I'll tell you how it went . Just as a reminder - I had more or less
> persueded the Maths department to switch to gnome as the default desktop
> (used to be fvwm) on linux machines. Myself and the Maths dept sys admin
> had a meeting with the main campus sys admins to discuss harmonizing
> desktop setups and the encroachment of NT. 
> 
> The story is long so I've split it into two (still quite long) parts. Part
> 1 concerns the meeting with central campus sys admins and part 2 with my
> attempt to setup gnome in the maths department. Part 1 may be relevant to
> the recent discussions about image and pr. Part 2 has more to do with
> implememntation and observations of newbie gnome users.
> 
> By and large the meeting went well and we agreed about alot of things.
> They had already done a little investigating and were impressed with our
> gnome setup.
> 
> However these guys are (understandibly) fairly conservative about what
> goes on their machines and they felt that GNOME had a reputation for being
> unstable BUT they felt the GNU in GNOME meant this would get sorted out
> eventually (I told them it was already sorted out more or less - this was
> a week before October Gnome). So *I think* we agreed that kde would go on
> the machines now(ish) - as they are confident it's stable - and Gnome in a
> few months when they're happy it's stable. Before we get into KDE / Gnome
> stability comparisons or whatever I'd like to point out that them adopting
> kde is good for gnome. How? Becasue these are hardcore unix console guys
> that don't use desktops so to them it's all the same thing by different
> people. Once we get kde through the door it will be easy for gnome to
> follow. 
> 
> They saw we were using enlightenment and were worried that it was a bit of
> a resource hog (again I know that with a minimal theme it isn't - that's
> not the point) I did show them sawmill but despite the fact that the main
> developer is from Warwick uni they weren't that impressed as they
> considered it an unstable work in progress. Unstable is unfair (I think
> it's great!) but since we talked it's revved from 0.11 to 0.14 so 'in
> progress' is fair enough. I mentioned that could also use WM or IceWM so
> had some scope for a lighter weight wm. I know there are more wm's that
> support gnome but I didn't want to give the impression that they would end
> up supporting 15 wm's.
> 
> So the moral of this part of the story is that (first) impressions count
> even with Unix people who perhaps should know better. If I take these guys
> impression to the extreme it seem that our 'PR dept.' has to battle the
> impression that gnome
> 
> . is not stable
> . relies on enlightenment which is a resource hog
> 
> but in our favour is
> 
> . the gnu in gnome 
> . that when you actually show gnome people realise it's good, and much
> nicer than NT!
> 
> Admittedly two sys admins from wariwck uni isn't a hugely representative
> sample!
> 
> Part 2 to follow
> 
> Paul
> 
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