[Fwd: RE: Your final comments on gswitchit in 2.4...]

["Sergey V. Oudaltsov" <sergey oudaltsov clients ie>]

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From: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com
To: sergey.oudaltsov@clients.ie
Cc: jdub@perkypants.org, jrb@redhat.com, jody@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org
Subject: RE: Your final comments on gswitchit in 2.4...
Date: 23 Jun 2003 18:03:16 +0200



Murray Cumming
murrayc@usa.net
www.murrayc.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sergey V. Oudaltsov [mailto:sergey.oudaltsov@clients.ie] 
> Sent: Montag, 23. Juni 2003 17:25
> To: Cumming Murray (COMNEON Linz)
> Cc: jdub@perkypants.org; jrb@redhat.com; jody@gnome.org; 
> release-team@gnome.org
> Subject: Re: Your final comments on gswitchit in 2.4...
> 
> 
> > GNOME is probably not interested in a complete "keyboard 
> configurator" or a
> That is a VERY GOOD QUESTION! Whether GNOME wants to give users full 
> control over XKB. From general GNOME policy ("reasonable defaults 
> wherever possible") I'm afraid the answer would be "no". But 
> I am just 
> afraid that many users are going to be left unhappy if we hide the 
> features already present in gswitchit. So be carefull
> 
> > - Murray has a german keyboard. He uses an english keyboard 
> layout with it.
> >   He wants to type an o with an umlaut in gedit.
> >   He needs to switch to a german keyboard layout so that 
> pressing the
> > o-with-an-umlaut key gives him an o-with-an-umlaut.
> >   Then we needs to switch back to an english keyboard layout.
> Occational usage, do you mean? That's what "secondary layouts" are 
> about. BTW, this feature does not work if you don't add the applet do 
> the panel (actually, that is why I added TWO applets - the first one 
> configures XKB and these settings work even if you don't have 
> applet on 
> the panel).
> 
> > - Bob spends half his time writing arabic and half the time 
> writing english.
> Yes. Just 2 primary layouts. But that's not it. What users 
> also wanted:

OK, but I think the terms "primary" and "secondary" layouts are not very
clear. What are they meant to do exactly? Why does Murray need a secondary
layout but Bob needs a primary layout?

> - Remembering (optionally!) layout and indicators 

What is an "indicator" here? Is it just an icon telling me what layout I am
using in the window?

> per-window (that's 
> only possible with the applet on panel).

Yes, I can see how that might be useful, but it might not be essential
functionality.

> - Configurable pixmaps for the applet

Why is this necessary?

> - Arbitrary commands to run at switching (there is no UI for 
> this - it 
> is configurable only in gconf)

Again, why is this necessary?

> - Configuring not only layouts (variants), but also they keys 
> to switch 
> between them (and other xkb configuration possibilities - though I 
> cannot say EXACTLY which ones are really requested - that is why all 
> "Options" are here today).

I think it is sensible to start with basic functionality and add features
when people make a good case for them, instead of starting with everything
and then dealing with the complaints when you remove them.

Murray Cumming
murrayc@usa.net
www.murrayc.com
-- 
Sergey

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