Re: [Usability] Re: Decision: instant apply window buttons

[Chris Chabot <chabotc reviewboard com>]

Actualy, i have the same problem with the window manager's close 
button... from doing some tests with g/f and mom, they only use that 
button if a application is out-of-controll or non understandable... To 
long have people been warning them that using that button can "Loose all 
changes, are you sure?!", that mentality is embeded quite deeply into 
quite a few people.
Now i dont mean to drag up a whole new 2 month long flamewar, but what 
was so wrong with having a simple "Close" button on the dialog? ;-)
Matthew J. Doller wrote:

> in windows, escape is bound to "Cancel" on dialogs, if i remember
> correctly.  obviously, since we are discussing instant apply windows,
> there is no "Cancel" or "OK", but the "Cancel" mentality would be
> there.  i have never pressed escape with the expectation that my changes
> in anything would be applied or saved.  Escape is a kind of "Whoops"
> key.
>
> is there any kind of usability lost by adding a "Done" button in the
> dialogs?
>
> matt
>
> On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 22:38, Chris Chabot wrote:
>
> > Ps, wouldnt a solution for this impase be to bind the ESC key to 'close' 
> > in dialogs? (it works this way in all windows versions and a few other 
> > gui's).
> > This way a visualy impaired / blind computer user doesnt have to go 
> > searching for a small button which can be hard to find and hit, but can 
> > simply use a keyboard key to close the window...
> > This way both parties would get what they are after right? (usable for 
> > visualy impaired, and no close buttons on dialogs)
> >    -- Chris
> >
> >
> > Chris Chabot wrote:
> >
> > > Just so im not completely lost, 'the reason stated', does that 
> > > reference to:
> > > "Hi,being a blind computer user myself I know that having a close gtk+ 
> > > button is extremely useful. You have to remember the blind like to be 
> > > able to arrow or tab to a control rather than emulating a mouse and 
> > > moving to a close icon near the top of the window. So the programmers 
> > > should really strongly think about putting a close button at the 
> > > bottum of a dialog box."
> > >
> > >
> > > iain wrote:
> > >
> > > > > DECISION: Instant apply windows should not have a dismissal button. They
> > > > > may optionally have a Help button in the lower left corner of the
> > > > > dialog.
> > > > Decide all you want...
> > > > I ain't following it
> > > > For the reason I stated was the definitive reason during the discussion.
> > > >
> > > > iain