Re: To answer your question about the upcoming Style-Guide...

>the argument was that additional folders/menus waste screen real estate. my
>counter-argument was that they don't, because the panel already takes up so
>much screen and putting something else on it doesn't waste any more.

A fair counterargument.  I'm working on this problem, though.

>they do take up PANEL real estate, however. but I still - and after having
>done that experiment with gnome-newbies even more than before - believe
>we HAVE to show the new gnome user that it's possible or he will never even
>try to reconfigure.

Have you watched users generate their own panel icons once shown they exist?

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