Re: Is keynav to unavailable menu items a bug?

["david poehlman" <david poehlman handsontechnologeyes com>]

Funny, I'm always surprised when I find items not there that are there under 
other circumstances and a bit baffled as well.

Johnnie Apple Seed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "earl johnson" <Earl Johnson sun com>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Is keynav to unavailable menu items a bug?


Input from 2 Interaction Designers we've worked with over the
years. Their basic take - make the interaction like Windows
because that's where our users are coming from and that's what
they expect.

Earl

-------- Original Message --------


Hey Earl,

I'm also Cc:ing the xDesign folks who work on Desktop (and,
therefore,
mainly GNOME-based or JDS-focused stuff).

I'd go with my usual answer -- have it work like Windows. There
are pros
and cons on both sides of this one (I'd say). All else being
equal, it
should act like people expect. And, 90% of people (with whatever
abilities they may have) are likely to be coming from Windows to
Linux/GNOME/JDS/Solaris/etc.

Mike

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Is keynav to unavailable menu items a bug?]
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:05:53 -0700
From: Eric Bergman <Eric Bergman Sun COM>
To: Earl Johnson Sun COM
CC: Michael Albers Sun COM, Eric Bergman <Eric Bergman Sun COM>,
Peter
Korn <Peter Korn Sun COM>, Eric Bergman <Eric Bergman Sun COM>
References: <417461F3 8090400 sun com>



I'll argue that inactive menu items should be traversable for at
least 3
different reasons:

1) Users have got to be enabled to traverse menu items for
accessibility
as described below.  Period.

2) It is odd behavior for the highlight to 'jump' over inactive
items --
it is visually hard to follow, even for folks without low vision or
other issues.

3) Windows has set a standard here for which I can't see a
justification
for Java to violate when that is the environment we are usually
running
in anyway.


Eric


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