Re: [g-a-devel]gnopernicus command keys

[Janina Sajka <janina rednote net>]

Well, the caps-lock is already in use for just this purpose by Speakup.

Which doesn't mean that we shouldn't move in the direction of a capslock
based solution. But, it will be necessary to resolve the several
conflicts that already exist between Gnopernicus and Speakup Yes, it's
rather possible to avoid these conflicts by being very careful and
remembering to kill Speakup in your graphical console. But, then you
lose track of whether (or not) your numlock is on. Speakup uses it off,
and going back and forth between console and GNOME will quickly, and
frequently, confuse the user. Far better, I think, to agree with Kirk on
a mechanism to suppress Speakup in the graphical console. If that can be
achieved, then we are on a good coarse to logically, and effectively
mirroring using the capslock as the screen review modifier.

One more point about layers -- they're OK by me except for one thing. I
have no idea which one is which, for the most part, especially as I'm
still learning what they do. Is there any reason these need to be
identified by numbers alone? Why not have Gnopernicus announce "Layer
Zero Navigation," etc?

Bill Haneman writes:
> From: Bill Haneman <Bill Haneman Sun COM>
> 
> I agree with Mario here.  The idea of two profiles, one using NumPad and 
> one using CapsLock, is
> very attractive.  The point about CapsLock not clashing is quite true 
> and my experience with
> using CapsLock experimentally for this has been very positive.
> 
> - Bill
> 
> Mario Lang wrote:
> 
> >Peter Korn <Peter Korn Sun COM> writes:
> >
> > 
> >
> >>I think there are two issues here, and I think it would be helpful if
> >>we discussed each separately, rather than potentially confusing them.
> >>
> >> 1. From the user's point of view, what is the best interface?  Do users
> >>    generally prefer the existing "layering" keypad approach, do they 
> >>    prefer
> >>    to use modifier keys with the keypad, do they prefer to use the main
> >>    keyboard (presumably with modifier keys or a similar layering), or
> >>    is there no clear "center" of preference?
> >>   
> >>
> >
> >This is not easy to answer.  I think most users prefer
> >if they have screen reader bindings as simple as possible,
> >which will probably mean a single key (no modifiers) whenever possible.
> >However, there are situations where this concept doesn't work at all,
> >e.g., on laptop keyboards, which generally do not have
> >a numpad (well, they have one, but it is practically
> >unusable).
> >
> >Products like JAWS solve this by offering two destinct
> >keyboard layouts, the "Desktop" and the "Laptop" layout.
> >One utilized the numpad, the other uses CapsLock as Screen-reader Modifier 
> >key,
> >and puts all screen reader functionality on CapsLock+somekey.
> >
> >The big advantage of CapsLock+somekey is that it doesn't
> >clash with anything, since no standard keybinding utilizes
> >CapsLock as modifier...
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
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Janina Sajka
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Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
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