Re: gnew.garnome

[Shaun ONeil <shaun dog-berry com>]

(limited comments inline, my attempt at the end .. skip/delete at will)

On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 13:39 -0500, Paul Miller wrote:

> If you're tired of hearing about the website - delete now!
> 
> I put new pages up a minute ago.
> 
> I fleshed out the links page & had a LITTLE fun with it ... but not
> TOO MUCH!!! Give you a LITTLE idea of what all the fuss was
> about ... but not TOO MUCH!!!
> 
> Cleaned up some of the CSS mess to try to get rid of scrolling problems
> (text lags behind your scrollbar). It's better, but still there. I think 
> it's because
> browser calculations are cpu- or graphics-card intensive. Don't know which.
> I have an old pentium III - do people with faster machines notice it? Is it
> excessively annoying?

epiphany/gecko from the latest garnome .. Athlon XP2600 (approx 2.1GHz),
1Gb ram .. it's noticable here too

> >Sorry for the brief message (already late for lectures), but is there any chance
> >of making it viewable in IE?  We can't all use non-IE browsers all of the time,
> >and the rendering of pages such as installation is useless.
> >
> >[Insert arguments for and against coding for specific browser bugs here]
> >
> >Dan.
> >
> >  
> >
> IE? What's that? :) I don't have time right-at-the-moment to
> download and install it ... probably hafta get some 'special' dlls, or
> something. I'll get to it soooon ...  right after world domination! :)
> Just kidding! I WILL download it for testing purposes ... Do the
> ubiquitous *THEY* even allow it on Linux boxes?

While statistics vary from site-to-site (dependant on their audience),
it's safe to say IE is what 90%+ of internet users use.  As much as I
hate having to jump on browsercam to see what a mess it's made of my
CSS, it's a necessary evil.

> For now, tell me what's it's doing: maybe I can intuit.
> 
> Thanks for the positive feed-back I got from some people! ...
> Alright, it was just ONE guy, but that's better than not-even-me!
> 
> 
> 
> Am I wasting too much garnome-list bandwidth on this?
> 
> Tell me if you want me to stop already!

I love throwing ideas around, but I do feel nothing concrete is going to
happen until atleast the other side of the 2.6 release .. Jeff's a busy
dude

> Cheers
> 
> PS - for CSS geeks only
> 
> I discovered this neat "feature" by doing things 'wrong'. You can actually
> hide the page scrollbars! (Look in garnomestyle.css ... under #hdr, I 
> think ...
> for comment and recreation instructions) It occurs to me that you could
> put hidden text at the bottom of a page, which only those in the know - or
> the serendipitous - could find. Scrolling still works, you just can't 
> see the
> scrollbars, so you don't know anything is there. You can scroll down via
> mouse-wheel or by scrolling 'blind' where the scrollbars should be :) Don't
> know if they have this feature in IE yet :)
> 

OT, but it appears the big words these days are standards, accessibility
and semantic design.  I'm personally convinced hiding content breaks
atleast one of these ;o)

> -- 
> 
> Paul Miller
> location one verizon net

Okay, I've taken a shot at this too.  I was curious to see how easily
gnome.org's look could be turned into a usable template for a Wiki
system.  It took me all of 20 minutes, most of which was copying the
content across and searching for glaring errors.  As I was toying with
it as a template, I haven't touched the copy itself, bar splitting it
into pages.

http://beta.waste-of-space.org/garnome/

Not overly exciting as we've seen it all before, but it's clean, simple,
unobtrusive, and fits.  As garnome's linked from the start pages
[1]&[2], and it looks like we're going to have stable releases thanks to
Paul .. I do believe it's important that it feels like part of the gnome
project.

As always, two cents from a random nobody

Shaun

[1] http://www.gnome.org/start/2.4/
[2] http://www.gnome.org/start/2.5/