Re: [Evolution-hackers] Thinking about menus

[Siddharth Toshniwal <sito lists gmail com>]

Hi all,

Few suggestions:

* Since "Select all messages" within a folder has moved to
  Folder / Select all messages, can we have an additional
  entry in that menu: "Folder / Invert Selection" ? 

* Can we add sub-menu in the "Message" menu for 
  "Label as"? So that we can access it: 
  "Message / Label As / Work" etc. I understand this is not 
  in the current menus (or if it is, I have not discovered
  it. I right-click and use this functionality).... But if 
  we are creating a special menu for "Message", I'd vote to
  have this in there.

* Hiding messages is gone? :)

thanks,
Siddharth.
 

On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 00:04 -0500, Benjamin Kahn wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 08:27 +0800, Not Zed wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 16:52 -0500, Christine McLellan wrote:
> > > Hey Ben -- More feedback, this time just a few comments on the
> > > proposed Message menu:
> > > 
> > > Message / Reply -- I believe this should stay "Reply to All" to be
> > > really clear.  The icons can be too small to quickly know which item
> > > is which and mistakenly choose Reply to All when you meant just to
> > > reply to a Sender could be a tad dangerous :).  
> > > 
> > > Message / Reply to Author -- I would keep "Reply to Sender" to be
> > > more consistent w/ other mail apps (and as result more familiar).
> > > If this is simply a forwarded message, who is the actual author? Not
> > > trying to be a brat, but I can really imagine Author being
> > > confusing.  
> > rfc822 specifically defines 'sender', and 'from', and they needn't be
> > the same.  It never talks about 'author', neither does any other known
> > mail application.
> 
> 	Well, it obviously can happen that the terminology in an RFC and the
> terminology that users use can differ.  But in this case it doesn't make
> sense to deviate from what we had before.  
> 
> > > What happened to Forward As>Attached, Quoted, Inline?  The
> > > flexibility of choosing how to forward a particular message is
> > > something I probably use once a week?
> > This seems to be a major departure of definitely required
> > functionality, all types are required.
> > 
> > While i'm here, the goto stuff must stay in the view menu.  It was
> > moved there specifically to be consistent with the other components of
> > evolution.
> 
> 	The other components are being changed as well.
> 
> > Message->Mark as shouldn't be a submenu, its about the most often used
> > set of items from the edit menu.
> 
> 	Well, hopefully that'll come up in user testing if it's true.  I have
> yet to observe people ever using the Mark menu items, however.  Also, if
> they are so popular, shouldn't they have more hot keys?
> 
> > > On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 12:25 -0500, Benjamin Kahn wrote:  
> > > > With Evolution 2.2 fast approaching with a new plugin architecture, I
> > > > (along with Rodney and a bunch of other people) have been looking at the
> > > > Evolution menus.  
> > > > 
> > > > We've started with with the mailer context menus and the main mailer
> > > > menus.  This is needed because the current menus are a discouraging mess
> > > > and with menu merging from plugins, things are only going to get
> > > > worse.  
> > > > 
> > > > The goals are:
> > > > 
> > > >       * Get rid of the Actions menu.
> > > >       * Make it obvious where to find things.  (Eliminate seeking as
> > > >         much as possible)
> > > >       * Make common operations available without using submenus.
> > > >       * Move closer to the HIG recommendations.
> > > >         ( http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/menus-standard.html )
> > > >       * Provide a good structure for plugins to add new menu items.
> > > >       * Umm...  And simplicity.  
> > > > 
> > > > I've posted screenshots of the effort to the Evolution Blog:
> > > > http://codeblogs.ximian.com/blogs/evolution/archives/000441.html
> > > > 
> > > > The latest version of the glade mockup is here: (I'll try to keep this
> > > > current)
> > > > http://primates.ximian.com/~xkahn/evo-menus/evo-menus.tar.gz
> > > > NOTE: Evolution does not use glade to create menus.  This is simply a
> > > > mockup.  It will never be the official version.)
> > > > 
> > > > I am generating a patch for Evolution that uses the new menus.  I'm
> > > > about 50% done.
> > > > 
> > > > And, obviously, a similar layout needs to be designed for the other
> > > > components.  
> > > > 
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