Re: Reading Forums

[Kristoffer Lundén <kristoffer lunden gmail com>]

I think it's annoying and disturbing "flow".

However, I understand that it may also save the work of many... but
couldn't here be another way to implement it? Even detecting that
changes have been made is not good enough for me, since I often start
edits/posts and then change my mind. So...

Am I correct in the assumption that the use case mainly is accidental
navigations? Such as pressing the back button by mistake, and doing so
on a server which destroys form information even upon returning? And
not "forgetting" to submit, something which I would think would be
quite rare at least for extensive/important edits... =)

If so, I'd much rather see a simple "undo" functionality. The problem
is not basically that some web pages force reloads in such a way that
entered data disappears. So, pressing a link and then "back" or
pressing "back" and then "forward" clears everything, one way or the
other.

How about this: "Undo one step of navigation". Keep a copy of the last
page intact, ignoring any cache directives etc, and make it possible to
go back to this one at any reasonable time. This would also solve
another highly annoying "security feature" where you aren't allowed to
view a page generated from a form submit because that would "resend the
form data" - I don't want to resend the form data, I just want to see
what the resulting page said, and I can't, because I navigated away... 

Of course, ideally there should be more steps to undo than one. I guess
this mainly boils down to caching (some) dynamic content as well as
static, and making that content accessible in an intiutive way. It was
many years since I last used it, but I think Opera at least made
navigation like this possible and that was one of the things it got
right IMO. It did this for the back/forward buttons though, which may
or may not be what you want, and may or may not be what a server
expects... so separate functionality might be in order. 

In short, I'd love to be able to CTRL-Z some mistakes I've made on the
web just as when editing text, but I don't want some Clippy-like
functionality constantly telling (nagging) me that I might not know
what I'm doing...


-- Kristoffer

On 12/28/05, Dev Tugnait <dev unixdaemon org> wrote:

On Wed, 2005-12-28 at 11:15 +0100, Reinout van Schouwen wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Dev Tugnait wrote:
>
> >> That feature has saved my neck countless times. It's absolutely
> >> fantastic!
>
> I concur. It's one of the niceties that makes Epiphany stand out from
> the crowd.
>
Yes it is but in this case the form was not edited, it is not normal
behaviour, its a bug. I like the feature as well if it functions as it
should.

> >> elements after loading. Alternatively, bug the website developers :).
> >> I'm sure other browsers are going to follow suit with this feature.
>
> For Firefox and Seamonkey, the relevant bugs are
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=252646 and
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48333 .
>
> > As of now none of the browsers do and until then i wish there was an
> > alternative to this than swapping browsers just to read forums.
>
> Well, you could abuse a currently unfixed bug in Epiphany that causes
> Ctrl+W to close a tab/window without warning, even if unsaved form
> information exists...
>
> regards,
>
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Dev Tugnait <dev unixdaemon org >

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