Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

[Elijah Newren <newren gmail com>]

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:59:31 -0500, Luis Villa <luis villa gmail com> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:35:28 -0700, Elijah Newren <newren gmail com> wrote:

> > I should point out a few things here:
> > (1) I think this bug can be punted, given a small change to nautilus
> > and gnome-terminal to make them attempt to handle not being launched
> > with startup notification--similar to what Galeon and Epiphany now do.
> 
> that sounds like a very limited view of what gnome-open and such are
> used for. Via evolution, gnome_url_show can be used to open anything
> that gets emailed around.

Other than the fact that windows would steal focus sometimes when they
shouldn't, do you know of any specific apps that would be adversely
affected by not being launched with startup-notificiation which I
haven't already identified?

> > (2) As far as I know, Mozilla and firefox are still basically broken
> > in this respect and there's not a lot we can do about it; those two
> > apps need to support startup-notification as launchees (including the
> > timestamp part of startup notification).  Without that, there's no way
> > to get them to work, whether they are launched with
> > startup-notification or not.  This should probably be in the release
> > notes in the known issues section.
> 
> jeez. that's a big 'known issue'. I'd love to think everyone is using
> epiphany, but we all know that isn't the truth, so that is going to be
> a really irritating regression for a lot of users.

Yes, it sucks.  I can try to take time to look into it (or, we could
try to convince Havoc to take a grotesque patch to Metacity to bandaid
this case).  Anyway, it's a freedesktop.org spec that needs to be
handled.  The part of the spec minus the timestamps has been around
for years.  The timestamp part is a nearly trivial addition if you
have the other half done.  Most apps don't need to do anything to
handle it because gtk+ does.  But Mozilla and Firefox do stuff behind
gtk+'s back--namely, asking a previously running instance of the app
to open a window for them.  This feature has been in since last June. 
For the vast majority of the 2.9.x cycle, there were virtually no bug
reports regarding this new feature.  Affected apps really should try
to fix the issue instead of hoping someone else will come along and do
it for them...

> > (3) Crispin and Christian have already added code to Galeon and
> > Epiphany to try to make them handle not being launched with startup
> > notification (from a quick glance at the code, I think they could do a
> > little bit better, but nothing to worry about before 2.10).  Thus,
> > when you open a webpage from various apps such as Evolution and your
> > web browser is one of these two it will basically work.
> 
> It doesn't work for me from xchat + gnome-open with latest released
> versions of everything and epiphany as my default browser. Is this
> known or something I should file/reopen?

Really?  are you sure you have the epiphany version released yesterday?

Elijah