Re: Promoting greater integration between developers/writers/I18N :) [and testers!:)]

[Luis Villa <louie ximian com>]

On Mon, 2003-06-30 at 12:04, Luis Villa wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-06-30 at 10:48, Luis Villa wrote:
> > On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 09:24, Jonathan Blandford wrote:
> > > Murray Cumming Comneon com writes:
> > > 
> > > > > From: Fernando Herrera [mailto:fherrera onirica com] 
> > > > > 	What I want to do is to add a very simple patch to libgnomeui
> > > > > that add a "Report a bug..." item to the help menu 
> > > > 
> > > > I can see that this might be useful, but it should of course be an optional
> > > > menu item that the application developer would use if he likes, rather than
> > > > something that is in every app that happens to use libgnomeui. That's
> > > > probably what you meant anyway though.
> > > 
> > > How about we turn the feature on in the unstable (2.3) version of
> > > libgnomeui, and turn it off in the unstable version (2.2, 2.4).  It's
> > > not the kind of thing we want in a shipping product, but seems
> > > reasonable for betas.
> > 
> > [Trimming some cc:s.]
> > 
> > I agree with Jonathan here- this is the most reasonable option, IMHO.
> > You don't want this in a stable release because, to be blunt, we
> > currently need to be raising the barriers to bug filing, not lowering
> > them; virtually all the core gnome projects have more bugs than they can
> > deal with already. 
> 
> A wiser head than I points out that this is a really sad statement for
> me to make. I agree. I hate to have to admit this, but currently
> bugsquad and I just can't keep up on many key modules (like, say,
> nautilus.) If I could spend all day (and all night) on bugsquad and
> b.g.o., I wouldn't be saying this. But I can't so I must :/

I should further point out that this isn't a knock on bugsquad- the
folks who are active are great. It's just too small, and not growing
fast, and I take the blame for that one squarely on my own shoulders.

Luis

> I should also note that projects that feel a shortage of bug reports
> should feel very comfortable doing this (Abi already does something like
> this, for example.) I'm just saying it can't be the default in
> libgnomeui for stable releases- apps must do it on a per-app level.
> Currently the core apps (which is what I have to think about) can't be
> defaulting to this, at least not in stable releases.
> 
> Luis
> 
> > As far as the i18n issues... I understand the desire of the i18n team
> > for more coverage, so maybe we can work out something specific to the
> > needs of the i18n team. Fernando's work should make it easier to have an
> > i18n-specific menu item, if we want to do that (and only that) in stable
> > releases.
> > 
> > I understand Jody's concern about connecting better to our users- I
> > strongly agree that we need to place the new, improved 'about GNOME'
> > somewhere better than the panel right-click menu. Surely we can do
> > better than KDE's 'plaster it everywhere' policy, though.  (And surely
> > 'make it easier to report bugs' is not nearly the same as 'inform your
> > users better.')
> > 
> > BTW, 'issue'zilla is basically as broken as 'bug'zilla is- Fernando's
> > approach in HEAD bug-buddy, distinguishing a variety of different bug
> > reports, is the right one.
> > 
> > Anyway, that's a whole bunch of thread responses collated in one place-
> > hope it's useful.
> > 
> > Luis
> > 
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