Re: [Rhythmbox-devel] Jukebox playlist

[Gisli Ottarsson <gisli adams com>]

I've looked at the mock-up in http://web.rhythmbox.org/uidesign/ and I
must admit that I don't quite understand it.  What is being listed in
the large pane on the bottom?  Is it all the available songs or only
songs in the jukebox-playlist?  If only one or the other is displayed,
doesn't that preclude the idea of dragging songs from the list of songs
to the jukebox list.

In general it seems to me that proposed change is too great and I think
it would be a mistake to move Rhythmbox in the direction of Muine.
Muine is a fine product with many nice features (I love the album
covers)  but it is missing a lot of things which make Rhythmbox great.

My all means, please don't remove the search field.  

If removing the Sources list is being considered (could it be moved to
a pulldown menu instead like a Bookmarks menu?) then it seems that the
pane previously used for the sources list could now become the
jukebox-playlist.  It would be a list of songs, both those recently
played (perhaps the 5 most recently played, grayed out) and those that
are about to be played.  It would be possible to interact with the list
of future songs, drag out undesirable songs that were put there by the
shuffle feature or another party guest, change order by dragging songs
up or down, or drag in a some additional preferred songs.  

In shuffle mode, this would simply be a list of songs scrolling by.

The list of previously played songs would be "read only" except it would
be possible to drag them down to the future songs list in order to play
them again.

Double clicking a song would continue to mean "play now".  It would
bump the currently playing song (it would go up one spot into the
grayed out list of previously played songs).   It should also be
possible to double click a song in the recently-played or the
about-to-be-played for the same effect.

A song dragged into the jukebox-list would be ordered based on where it
was dropped in the list.

I like the idea mentioned last week-end how iTunes pads a playlist with
random songs, so as not to run out. 

Hope this did not sound too complicated.  Too bad I don't know how to
muck something up.

   Gisli


On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 09:08, Jacob Emcken wrote:
> Colin Walters wrote:
> > On Sun, 2004-05-16 at 06:38, Jacob Emcken wrote:
> > 
> >>Hi
> >>
> >>I don't really use playlists because I like just to listen to all my 
> >>music and let Rhythmbox shuffle through it.
> > 
> > 
> > Yeah, I think that's a really common use case for Rhythmbox.  More
> > common than I'd realized up until fairly recently.
> > 
> > 
> >>I think it could be great to have some sort of jukebox playlist where 
> >>you could drag songs to. 
> > 
> > 
> > So I'd been thinking recently about supporting this.  Here's a start,
> > just to get discussion going:
> > 
> > http://web.rhythmbox.org/uidesign/
> > 
> > I think the overall key idea is that I really like the browser
> > interface, and we should focus a lot on that.
> 
> Why not make i a source where you could drag songs to?
> Then the funcionality is keept alike the rest. No need to discover a 
> brand new way of doing things to use the jukebox. This way we keep the 
> UI like  it is (which i think is great).
> 
> I thought that you could make the context menu (right mouse click menu) 
> i the library contain something like this:
> 
> Context menu:
> Copy
> Delete
> -------------
> Browse...   >
> Play...     >
> Jukebox     >
> -------------
> Properties
> 
> 
> Browse... menu:
> This genre
> This artist
> This album
> 
> Play... menu:
> This genre
> This artist
> This album
> 
> Jukebox menu:
> Add song to Jukebox
> Add genre to jukebox
> Add artist to jukebox
> Add album to jukebox
> 
> For all it should ofcourse be possible to select multiple 
> songs/artists/genres.
> 
> 
> 
> I like the idear to se the number Rhythmbox would like to play next time 
> but not the idear that it should take up extra space in the UI.
> 
> It think alternativliy you could make the text:
> Next: [artist] - [title]
> 
> roll down where the current song artist and title is displayed for some 
> seconds and then roll back to the normal text displaying the current 
> playing song. Then we use the the space already reserved for displaying 
> song title and artists.
> This it not only something usable to jukebox functionality.
> 
> 
> 
> What is the difference between Shuffle and the jukebox functionality?
> What if when you check the shuffle checkbox Rhythmbox uses the jukebox 
> playlist (or we could call it shuffle playlist).
> Here it think of a list like the one 'David Hammerton' linked to from 
> iTunes.
> This would add extra functionality but not alter any current 
> functionality. The current users of Shuffle wouldn't notice/feel/see a 
> difference if they didn't knew.
> They would still get shuffled songs the could still just click on a song 
> in their library to play it if they wanted.
> 
> I think that when you double click on a song in the Music library it 
> should start playing right away (not being added to the queue).
> For ease of use we could ad at Ctrl + Mouse double click would add the 
> song to the jukebox playlist og drag'n'drop or the context menu above.
> 
> 
> 
> > The proposal above leaves a lot out (including the search bar I just
> > noticed).
> 
> The search bar isn't needed in the jukebox play list is it?
> 
> 
> Hope you can use my feedback.
> --Jacob Emcken
> 
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