Re: Georgian Gnome l10n state

[Alexander Didebulidze <lists inet ge>]

Hallo Danilo,

On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 22:29 +0100, Alinux wrote:
> Danilo Åegan wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> >   
> Hello Danilo ,
> > Basically, we have two candidate coordinators, if I understood
> > everything right.  So, here's my analysis of the situation.
> >
> >   
> Yes I Vladimer (Alinux) Sichinava and Alexander (sd-tux) Didebulidze
> > Current coordinator:
> >   Aiet Kolkhi <aiet qartuli net>
> >
> >   With the homepage for Georgian Gnome l10n here:
> >     http://aiet.qartuli.net/projects/gnome_en.php
> >
> >   There appears to be a significant amount of translations here:
> >     http://gakartuleba.sapikhvno.org/on/po/get_tables.php?lg=en&view=all
> >   Most of the modules here are over 50% translated.  
> >
> >   List at
> >     http://aiet.qartuli.net/mailman/listinfo/ka_aiet.qartuli.net
> >   seems pretty dead.
> >
> >   Aiet, why is none of this in Gnome CVS?
> >     http://i18n-status.gnome.org/gnome-2.14/ka/index.html
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> We have mailed him totem.po at 2.8 period.... nothing commited...
> I don't want even talk with him. Promises, promises and promises!!!!
> I'm not a kid..
> :(
> 
> > Proposed coordinator:
> >   Vladimer Sichinava <alinux profusion it>
> >   His Ubuntu Launchpad homepage: https://launchpad.net/people/alinux
> >   (also supported by Alexander Didebulidze <lists inet ge>)
> >
> >   
> Yes we both :)
> >   Translation results (in size seems equivalent to Aiet's, I didn't
> >   check too closely, I am on limited bandwidth right now):
> >     http://svn.inet.ge/svn/ka_GE/
> >   
> Alexander is working on it right now... also we want wo create a
> simple geo GNOME translators welcome page.
> Work in progress....
We don't have a web interface for it now but you can see stats here:
http://svn.inet.ge/svn/ka_GE/STATS.txt

Can you please tell me if there is a ready web interface from gnome
project like one from KDE at
"http://i18n.kde.org/stats/gui/about.html";...

The genstats.sh script generates .mo files(for quick testing) in MO
directory too...
http://svn.inet.ge/svn/ka_GE/MO/

> >   (it'd be much easier if we had stats, at least those produced with
> >   for i in `find -name '*.po'`; do msgfmt -cv -o /dev/null "$i"; done)
> >
> > Now, I cannot judge the quality of work in either team, but I can try
> > to judge the satisfaction from community members.  
> >
> >
> > Aiet, while you have been doing some work, I guess you didn't
> > understand that we want that work to happen in Gnome CVS:  even
> > partial, incomplete and sometimes imperfect translations are good to
> > have, since they will stimulate people to join and help in completing
> > and perfecting them.  
> Heheh, Aiet is "Microsoft minded" ... he is "Cathedral"
> and we GIA's community are "Bazaar"....
> 
> Everything must be perfect, he is working on GNOME 2.28s
> translations!
> 
> (sometimes I'm cruel, Yes! Sad but true :()
> > That's what CVS is for: keeping track of the
> > work as it goes along.  And two years is a long time to not have done
> > any significant work (as would CVS state suggest).
> >
> > So, a first step in resolving this would be for Aiet to commit all the
> > work he's done and/or coordinated so far to Gnome CVS.  I'll take it
> > as a misunderstanding between Aiet and GTP for this was not done
> > earlier.  (if you don't have CVS account, we can commit some
> > translations for you)
> >
> >
> > Next, I'd like us to make a decision for the benefit of the Georgian
> > and Gnome community at large, so I want to know who all has
> > contributed and is actively contributing to both of your teams?
> > (just an attempt to figure out who has better support, this is in no
> > way definite: two dedicated people may do more work than 10
> > randomly-helping guys and gals)
> >
> >   
> Aiet has no team....
> 
> 
> Ubuntu Translators + GIA.ge = I, Alexander, Gia Shervashidze (Mozilla
> localisator)
> our girlfriends (linguist students), Temuri Doghonadze, and Gio
> Machitidze (GioMac)...
> 
> > Generally, my understanding is this: Vladimir and Alexander are very
> > motivated to work on Georgian Gnome l10n, and they seem to have a few
> > more people behind them in Ubuntu Launchpad.  Aiet has done some work,
> > but I am not convinced that he'll be able to keep up with it, and
> > seems to put away other contributors.
> >   
> Exactly.
> > Ideally, I wouldn't want Gnome to lose either contributor, so I'd like
> > you to cooperate more openly.  If Aiet is unable to carry out that
> > work, I'd be looking into appointing Vladimir as the new coordinator.
> >
> >
> >   
> Vladimer and Alexander, (we are like brothers)... :D
> > So Aiet, as current ka l10n coordinator, would you be willing to
> > accept contributions from Vladimir, Alexander, and other people
> > wanting to help?  And Vladimir, do you think there is a way to
> > cooperate with Aiet that will bring satisfaction to Georgian
> > community? 
> >
> >   
> cooperate ? :) hm, I f he wants to help! (I MEAN REAL HELP)
> not only bla bla bla... I will cooperate with him...
> but he is not my coordinator...!
> 
> As I speak Italian, I would like to say, BASTA!
> 
> > Cheers,
> > Danilo
> >
> >
> >   
> God Bless you, all hones open minded and open surced people!
> 
> Vladimer (Alinux) Sichinava

Cheers,
Alexander Didebulidze