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=20 ------=_Part_267861_1593039559.1299661849431-- From philbull@gmail.com Thu Mar 10 13:52:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691CD750988 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:52:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E1Mp43eVf-s2 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD93E7500CB for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so2287116wyf.27 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 05:51:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cX6ygMk4H4OUX0PBvW5cWS+waXwXBjz9993BWKo9y9g=; b=KlQVgm1/Kh9jO3C9bqVjlpOnbOAmNhRpBnbiQidkCBJPmPvjmtVpblFRHzztOx9xcq ySoX55JgKDYEJcwe6xKi4bvPUmemgQDxVh8ZksgoL0LQjarCIV7abm7P3lrgKuGx3HwO FYJWuQiR/W8wd0EkYDP0m4bsf48Y6k40GB58w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; b=imxHGOAMFTOEY0htBGYjfCrD2PK02zO0mH+4VOfXGxTg2yXWfZWgIKHe1Kyy7lmWZZ o7qGH7Lt8uZB4cIslfDO4QM4yY8ESsau7M9kanlD90Di0hZ4zdQ4nPHfW4d0NlCZron5 KCf3BNqeI5psMlBOBiCXYzoe5w2UzG9J3z5AU= Received: by 10.216.143.96 with SMTP id k74mr2397318wej.100.1299765107596; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 05:51:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.126] (0-e-c-71-89-66.maths-acs-4.lan.uct.ac.za [137.158.44.141]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n4sm1555638wee.4.2011.03.10.05.51.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 Mar 2011 05:51:46 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Bull To: usability Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:51:37 +0200 Message-ID: <1299765097.4421.79.camel@panther> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Usability] State of the HIG? X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:52:00 -0000 Hi guys, There's a GNOME documentation hackfest happening in Toronto next week, where we'll be working on user docs and dev docs. One item on the list is the HIG - it would be nice to be able to ship 3.0 with an up-to-date HIG of some description, even if it's not the full, finished, final product. How are things looking with the HIG? We can handle formatting, presentation, etc., all that matters for now is the material. Thanks, Phil -- Phil Bull https://launchpad.net/~philbull Book - http://nostarch.com/ubuntu4.htm From kbridger@shaw.ca Thu Mar 10 16:49:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785B3750B09 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:49:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gpRJC-afv159 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:49:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 768 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:49:01 UTC Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF2C750AD0 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pd4ml2so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.136]) by pd4mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 10 Mar 2011 09:36:03 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.1 cv=c/XFevczzUoebyvqT+jDkQbuJdAAxuTGoZVbuGUMSf4= c=1 sm=1 a=n3O0Z08HmBgA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=YRxsR/cubcIlMd5HZd+eAg==:17 a=kfyVFgg0iw9RVn9p_c4A:9 a=SuqlnZBJQqBb43hHEkoA:7 a=SO7NqJ7tnYI7GRNEzwIoe7eLrbQA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ZzklTYS5xFGz1AAX0BYA:9 a=TKGgxtT5us6-Oqj1WNkA:7 a=kJQKVv416SPs1DqwLsUk5oj-ynMA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO freedom.thebside.ca) ([70.70.131.215]) by pd4ml2so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 10 Mar 2011 09:36:03 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (Creativity.thebside.ca [192.168.0.3]) by freedom.thebside.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC17241B9; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:36:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D78FDF3.6080803@shaw.ca> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:36:03 -0800 From: Kirk Bridger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc14 Lightning/1.0b3pre Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Bull References: <1299765097.4421.79.camel@panther> In-Reply-To: <1299765097.4421.79.camel@panther> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080208060509050903090901" Cc: usability Subject: Re: [Usability] State of the HIG? X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:49:04 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080208060509050903090901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Phil, A few of us were working on the structure and general approach of the HIG back in the late fall. Since then we haven't been able to gain any momentum on the project due to conflicting priorities. We may be able to put some rough version together but I can't say for sure. Calum is putting together some ideas and we may have more to report in the near term. Sorry I can't offer any more insight - hopefully Calum or Allan can pipe in with a little more detail. Kirk On 03/10/2011 05:51 AM, Phil Bull wrote: > Hi guys, > > There's a GNOME documentation hackfest happening in Toronto next week, > where we'll be working on user docs and dev docs. One item on the list > is the HIG - it would be nice to be able to ship 3.0 with an up-to-date > HIG of some description, even if it's not the full, finished, final > product. > > How are things looking with the HIG? We can handle formatting, > presentation, etc., all that matters for now is the material. > > Thanks, > > Phil > --------------080208060509050903090901 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Phil,

A few of us were working on the structure and general approach of the HIG back in the late fall.  Since then we haven't been able to gain any momentum on the project due to conflicting priorities.

We may be able to put some rough version together but I can't say for sure.  Calum is putting together some ideas and we may have more to report in the near term.

Sorry I can't offer any more insight - hopefully Calum or Allan can pipe in with a little more detail.

Kirk



On 03/10/2011 05:51 AM, Phil Bull wrote: 
Hi guys,

There's a GNOME documentation hackfest happening in Toronto next week,
where we'll be working on user docs and dev docs. One item on the list
is the HIG - it would be nice to be able to ship 3.0 with an up-to-date
HIG of some description, even if it's not the full, finished, final
product.

How are things looking with the HIG? We can handle formatting,
presentation, etc., all that matters for now is the material.

Thanks,

Phil
--------------080208060509050903090901-- From prvs=00500264c3=marc.redemske@student.afg.hs-anhalt.de Thu Mar 10 19:39:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C99750311 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:39:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.909 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8fcpxhpdl+BH for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:39:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 321 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:39:01 UTC Received: from mail2.afg.hs-anhalt.de (mail2.afg.hs-anhalt.de [193.25.43.33]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C483E7502CB for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from p5dde140d.dip.t-dialin.net ([93.222.20.13]:50479 helo=[192.168.2.107]) by mail2.afg.hs-anhalt.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pxlby-0002Gy-0L for usability@gnome.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:33:26 +0100 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0201.4D792786.00EE,ss=1,fgs=0 Message-ID: <4D792789.2010307@student.afg.hs-anhalt.de> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:33:29 +0100 From: Marc Redemske User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 SUSE/3.0.11 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: usability@gnome.org References: <1299765097.4421.79.camel@panther> <4D78FDF3.6080803@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <4D78FDF3.6080803@shaw.ca> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070807040101010701050506" Subject: Re: [Usability] State of the HIG? X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:39:05 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070807040101010701050506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey guys just read the message, I'm new to GNOME and would like to help... so, is there any way to get these things faster done or can you tell me how to participate succesfully in this area? x marc On 03/10/2011 05:36 PM, Kirk Bridger wrote: > Hi Phil, > > A few of us were working on the structure and general approach of the > HIG back in the late fall. Since then we haven't been able to gain > any momentum on the project due to conflicting priorities. > > We may be able to put some rough version together but I can't say for > sure. Calum is putting together some ideas and we may have more to > report in the near term. > > Sorry I can't offer any more insight - hopefully Calum or Allan can > pipe in with a little more detail. > > Kirk > > > > On 03/10/2011 05:51 AM, Phil Bull wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> There's a GNOME documentation hackfest happening in Toronto next week, >> where we'll be working on user docs and dev docs. One item on the list >> is the HIG - it would be nice to be able to ship 3.0 with an up-to-date >> HIG of some description, even if it's not the full, finished, final >> product. >> >> How are things looking with the HIG? We can handle formatting, >> presentation, etc., all that matters for now is the material. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Phil >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > usability mailing list > usability@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability > --------------070807040101010701050506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey guys just read the message, I'm new to GNOME and would like to help...
so, is there any way to get these things faster done or can you tell me how to participate succesfully in this area?

x
marc

On 03/10/2011 05:36 PM, Kirk Bridger wrote:
Hi Phil,

A few of us were working on the structure and general approach of the HIG back in the late fall.  Since then we haven't been able to gain any momentum on the project due to conflicting priorities.

We may be able to put some rough version together but I can't say for sure.  Calum is putting together some ideas and we may have more to report in the near term.

Sorry I can't offer any more insight - hopefully Calum or Allan can pipe in with a little more detail.

Kirk



On 03/10/2011 05:51 AM, Phil Bull wrote: 
Hi guys,

There's a GNOME documentation hackfest happening in Toronto next week,
where we'll be working on user docs and dev docs. One item on the list
is the HIG - it would be nice to be able to ship 3.0 with an up-to-date
HIG of some description, even if it's not the full, finished, final
product.

How are things looking with the HIG? We can handle formatting,
presentation, etc., all that matters for now is the material.

Thanks,

Phil

    

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--------------070807040101010701050506-- From philbull@gmail.com Fri Mar 11 11:50:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D801875009C for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:50:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sOqvPNg-jxof for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853D9750070 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so3604279wyf.27 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 03:50:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qz84TCTvJTAvHWl5T9vj8dbsrc18tvDBKEvkl5Tb/UE=; b=Ntfv4O0HxxruzipOXWWkdKh4yX2J3BBIhxMwndYg6efv80bAt0qLeybebc9O/4H8/m zLmmmxjxF9D+guD3ZlV28LkRMIswp3CasxLsdA0LKtoHLZqm5harTUtMPsMu8Vn3qi3r 8Onr7xLqQLnwanfPDNNx9aZ8MnwqpsJFwvEzE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=x5cHk4IG/hzCljn7yHcR4xkAJDfw+62q05TUrdFBOEfrj91Nbd+wp2qHWrCVEk3+Hv W9MhS8NXf1gstIynU1VX+f46WxjsuYHW5lhmmPUGYpJ16OaB61s/6okJOlaNl2Cg1gMF JfwreJnrW3zAiLecBgD51HhdORXlwBDg1tjc4= Received: by 10.227.151.15 with SMTP id a15mr8162161wbw.184.1299844211550; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 03:50:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.126] (0-e-c-71-89-66.maths-acs-4.lan.uct.ac.za [137.158.44.141]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u9sm3310560wbg.18.2011.03.11.03.50.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Mar 2011 03:50:10 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Bull To: Kirk Bridger In-Reply-To: <4D78FDF3.6080803@shaw.ca> References: <1299765097.4421.79.camel@panther> <4D78FDF3.6080803@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:50:05 +0200 Message-ID: <1299844205.1866.17.camel@panther> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: usability Subject: Re: [Usability] State of the HIG? X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:50:24 -0000 Hi Kirk, On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 08:36 -0800, Kirk Bridger wrote: > A few of us were working on the structure and general approach of the > HIG back in the late fall. Since then we haven't been able to gain > any momentum on the project due to conflicting priorities. > > We may be able to put some rough version together but I can't say for > sure. Calum is putting together some ideas and we may have more to > report in the near term. > > Sorry I can't offer any more insight - hopefully Calum or Allan can > pipe in with a little more detail. Thanks for the update. How much material do people have already? It doesn't have to be anywhere near approaching final draft quality - notes (even handwritten ones!) and sketches are enough for us to be getting started with. This is time-critical for us (the hackfest is next week), so anything that you guys can provide would be very welcome. Thanks, Phil -- Phil Bull https://launchpad.net/~philbull Book - http://nostarch.com/ubuntu4.htm From allanpday@gmail.com Fri Mar 11 12:34:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D74750D6D for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:34:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QHYMKj6w8IHP for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B177C750D53 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:34:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so3652105wyf.27 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 04:34:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to :references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=P2JZ4T+TrG2PLC12zDlAWVMXEBBquTaDYm4hdpsh/OU=; b=oRJKJpePJVfK2u6TACqbykqHbj+q9BYhfBGIkCONAYwZrh8cuWJ/28BcawzB6gEngV 9k5Nu/i0J9/WKebecZoBr5/ceOgCl1CfQUnyeFvrQrVWEoEBVlAmnc5vfcjEB9GlWBPx sRkYFFu0hUGrx78yJnxsfyzIBxxCvXLJ4Kxho= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=aeYB02URvGzXisIj9GDqtQbyOYqF9NOBX1zpj4CXtA2wZCRoN1JV3NU5KND7IC8spB nbtvfvpbOuBqrcKv64rT9rnMtgQxaB3vem8fzmWXHvod2L/GRw8oJ0rHFAox11F1L2ua ZAPDQmpYvI3LssctwcMDP7eqKe1UnYtmEPBtY= Received: by 10.227.200.138 with SMTP id ew10mr1548648wbb.21.1299846866039; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 04:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (188-221-137-134.zone12.bethere.co.uk [188.221.137.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x1sm3340029wbh.14.2011.03.11.04.34.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Mar 2011 04:34:23 -0800 (PST) From: Allan Day To: Phil Bull In-Reply-To: <1299765097.4421.79.camel@panther> References: <1299765097.4421.79.camel@panther> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:34:22 +0000 Message-ID: <1299846862.2227.11.camel@blackbox.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 (2.32.2-1.fc14) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: usability Subject: Re: [Usability] State of the HIG? X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: allanpday@gmail.com List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:34:41 -0000 Hey Phil, On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 15:51 +0200, Phil Bull wrote: > Hi guys, > > There's a GNOME documentation hackfest happening in Toronto next week, > where we'll be working on user docs and dev docs. One item on the list > is the HIG - it would be nice to be able to ship 3.0 with an up-to-date > HIG of some description, even if it's not the full, finished, final > product. > > How are things looking with the HIG? We can handle formatting, > presentation, etc., all that matters for now is the material. I'm afraid that you probably need to strike the HIG off your list. There is barely any material right now, and it is all in an experimental state. The HIG 3 will happen, but we'll be targeting a future release. I'd really like the GNOME 3 porting guide in good shape for the release [1] however, and there are a few pages of draft developer documentation that you might be interested in (though you should probably check with their authors before shipping them) [2, 3]. Best wishes, Allan [1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/SymbolicIcons/UseGuidelines [2] http://live.gnome.org/Gnome3PortingGuide [3] http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/AppIntegration -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org From shaunm@gnome.org Fri Mar 11 14:40:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31AD77501B2 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:40:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.821 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.821 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ESjcLckn79Tx for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B17C75012E for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.41]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DA92090E; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:40:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=messagingengine.com; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpout; bh=tN4vNGu1vfeyeA7qt1prewb1Vx8=; b=Bqr8jkX2oHfO5Sw58miRmUcRq3Gj0KYSGBwtfX6NbAByCaXWHDLLDqd+5/Q5hrwb0Z81B+3W8bUa0rF6fmRJj5MfE85TWhl0qRkD4sXnGLRx30F3VsoLiiZ1eWyWmDcfegVhYKIW07GxE4ifpDdIZNVMAxhsmTuEjJSVdodTWfo= X-Sasl-enc: opE4eyL7p9yFFqMPGRs0Lx6aNkWutmWYbj/kjkzXwNwX 1299854430 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unknown [74.83.23.171]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45FA0446C84; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:40:30 -0500 (EST) From: Shaun McCance To: allanpday@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <1299846862.2227.11.camel@blackbox.lan> References: <1299765097.4421.79.camel@panther> <1299846862.2227.11.camel@blackbox.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:44:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1299854696.26431.522.camel@recto> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 (2.32.1-1.fc14) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: usability Subject: Re: [Usability] State of the HIG? X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:40:43 -0000 On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 12:34 +0000, Allan Day wrote: > Hey Phil, > > On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 15:51 +0200, Phil Bull wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > There's a GNOME documentation hackfest happening in Toronto next week, > > where we'll be working on user docs and dev docs. One item on the list > > is the HIG - it would be nice to be able to ship 3.0 with an up-to-date > > HIG of some description, even if it's not the full, finished, final > > product. > > > > How are things looking with the HIG? We can handle formatting, > > presentation, etc., all that matters for now is the material. > > I'm afraid that you probably need to strike the HIG off your list. There > is barely any material right now, and it is all in an experimental > state. The HIG 3 will happen, but we'll be targeting a future release. Should I remove the 2.x HIG from the gnome-devel-docs releases? Or do you think the information there is still valuable enough to warrant being shipped with 3.0? -- Shaun From philbull@gmail.com Fri Mar 11 14:48:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791BD7501B4; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:48:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lgbtqNw048ng; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:48:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2071175012E; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so3814625wyf.27 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 06:47:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cyjPFbdd2jTI7MG/YVU6KEuxuDYfjgM0CgOQjYD6IY4=; b=JK6x9432YP5SKZNw1R9IuOC07RCmrUDjyoMC1V4Ws3ZYUZSDfvPM7cidNP+KYVgq+b Esc8sMCviZK0FlXpZaPUleT+tKCZ+bjTM1rdnbJdq40ehBRpZP6l0cSlEk4/fGoLvDcL 5ekLEoQ655HhXZxJpz6/HykX1nuibvsHCrFGw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=UHRTnz/Xl0xmbxe8FEP3AwH+2py/pHtJ2Rn5txifn6WdKBYg9+BiBll4yq+DyNCSFh 4T6kDEU63FPNCtx7qWJoOEZ6WCZhEbLZftDNFfBCJFYqjXaCN9EGjiEZ+e30gxB0ogdq sM70AELvOp7XGyg4tvrvddvT0ztlWdWVstTRA= Received: by 10.227.202.149 with SMTP id fe21mr1554350wbb.205.1299854873171; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 06:47:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.126] (0-e-c-71-89-66.maths-acs-4.lan.uct.ac.za [137.158.44.141]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r80sm2199332wei.39.2011.03.11.06.47.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Mar 2011 06:47:51 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Bull To: Shaun McCance In-Reply-To: <1299854696.26431.522.camel@recto> References: <1299765097.4421.79.camel@panther> <1299846862.2227.11.camel@blackbox.lan> <1299854696.26431.522.camel@recto> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:47:44 +0200 Message-ID: <1299854864.1866.29.camel@panther> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: usability Subject: Re: [Usability] State of the HIG? X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:48:05 -0000 Hi guys, On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 09:44 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: [...] > Should I remove the 2.x HIG from the gnome-devel-docs releases? > Or do you think the information there is still valuable enough > to warrant being shipped with 3.0? If it is valuable, we can at least update the screenshots. Thanks, Phil -- Phil Bull https://launchpad.net/~philbull Book - http://nostarch.com/ubuntu4.htm From calum.benson@oracle.com Fri Mar 11 16:44:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1A675017A; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:44:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.209 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.209 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nedYltV7l96Y; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:44:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com (rcsinet10.oracle.com [148.87.113.121]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C6E7500E4; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:44:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p2BGiJKw006133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:44:21 GMT Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p2BEJZLv021810; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:44:18 GMT Received: from abhmt014.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 1079421511299861850; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:44:10 -0800 Received: from calmac.tolka.local (/109.76.240.97) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:44:09 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Calum Benson In-Reply-To: <1299854864.1866.29.camel@panther> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:44:05 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <87B022FC-DD2B-4DCE-8B47-21DA294D44B7@oracle.com> References: <1299765097.4421.79.camel@panther> <1299846862.2227.11.camel@blackbox.lan> <1299854696.26431.522.camel@recto> <1299854864.1866.29.camel@panther> To: Phil Bull X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Source-IP: acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090203.4D7A5163.01BE,ss=1,fgs=0 Cc: Shaun McCance , usability Subject: Re: [Usability] State of the HIG? X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:44:34 -0000 On 11 Mar 2011, at 14:47, Phil Bull wrote: > Hi guys, >=20 > On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 09:44 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > [...] >> Should I remove the 2.x HIG from the gnome-devel-docs releases? >> Or do you think the information there is still valuable enough >> to warrant being shipped with 3.0? >=20 > If it is valuable, we can at least update the screenshots. Just had a quick chat with Allan, and we both agreed that while there is = still plenty of useful information in there, and we that should leave it = in gnome-devel-docs, we don't think we should bother updating the = screenshots. Apart from the fact it's a lot of effort for not much gain = (I updated them all once before, and it was fairly painful), we think it = could be a potential source of confusion that we could do without. It may very well be worth updating the introduction, however, just to = clarify that while it was written for GNOME 2.x, we expect the majority = of it to remain useful for GNOME 3.x in the interim (and perhaps = pinpoint the bits that aren't). I'm happy to do that if people think = it's a good idea. As for where we are with the HIG -- I *may* be able to get something = rudimentary for you to look at during your hackfest next week, but I = can't promise anything. If I do, it'll be more about the structure and = the plan than the actual content, at this stage. I've just started to = revisit the discussions we had before Christmas to try and pull them = into something tangible that we can move forward on, but I'd want to at = least run it past the other people who contributed to that discussion = first, before distributing it any further. Cheeri, Calum. --=20 CALUM BENSON, Interaction Designer Oracle Corporation Ireland Ltd. mailto:calum.benson@oracle.com Solaris Desktop Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Oracle Corp. From calum.benson@oracle.com Fri Mar 11 16:56:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E1275018B for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:55:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.209 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.209 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uzhhkWjrZN7c for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com (rcsinet10.oracle.com [148.87.113.121]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4A37500E4 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p2BGtj12003350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:55:46 GMT Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p2A71fas005719; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:55:42 GMT Received: from abhmt002.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 1130561661299862541; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:55:41 -0800 Received: from calmac.tolka.local (/109.76.240.97) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:55:40 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Calum Benson In-Reply-To: <4D792789.2010307@student.afg.hs-anhalt.de> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:55:37 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4985BB84-1318-4AEC-9CE2-8E5DFB31CF13@oracle.com> References: <1299765097.4421.79.camel@panther> <4D78FDF3.6080803@shaw.ca> <4D792789.2010307@student.afg.hs-anhalt.de> To: Marc Redemske X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Source-IP: acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4D7A5410.0105,ss=1,fgs=0 Cc: usability@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Usability] State of the HIG? X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:56:00 -0000 Hi Marc, On 10 Mar 2011, at 19:33, Marc Redemske wrote: > hey guys just read the message, I'm new to GNOME and would like to = help... > so, is there any way to get these things faster done or can you tell = me > how to participate succesfully in this area? For now, I'd say "watch this space" for another couple of weeks. The = plan is that the format of the new HIG should make it easier for people = to contribute to than was the case with the previous version. So once = we're at the point where the format and structure is more or less agreed = and we need to start generating real content, I'm sure we'll be looking = for more writers and reviewers. Thanks, Calum. --=20 CALUM BENSON, Interaction Designer Oracle Corporation Ireland Ltd. mailto:calum.benson@oracle.com Solaris Desktop Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Oracle Corp. From allanpday@gmail.com Fri Mar 11 17:12:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C90750132 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:12:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IDYPK+JNmfoJ for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com (mail-ww0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65E97500E4 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:12:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb28 with SMTP id 28so3194742wwb.27 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:12:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to :references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0PdXPcVlCuexO5Gfy1hUj+xUmYCNATc1q053uITp10Q=; b=bWGzDUhdceFvBQXHPQHnxyAeb0PN1mZQsWNFl3dbrOLXTLcOTkhhZQNK7AvPyIkiFA F2FqvzlcDlllVQHvXk2F75lIgRZcRGkngyLbyC+dyEzrgGrw/vGIuTZMUB/s819wFCQC V01E7Le5B6KFDqHjWxyTKeOJy+MGqMXz+rjS4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=YPXhrtljr4n4Ce58+Ka9F2508+Muw3cOEPrKZiKiPujj7nfDT1fYxiX5kzUAh94kYV 2n4be1gR8FBkqQM700PX56ei6JoCd9I2VjvYyrgWUPKh3IFPQtEDKjtz3voHpuOkqsrA o8VfSjRH8hD5h8hZM/43bQCzxGYbjYx0s6Djk= Received: by 10.216.140.15 with SMTP id d15mr8078428wej.64.1299863521357; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (188-221-137-134.zone12.bethere.co.uk [188.221.137.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n18sm2272537wee.16.2011.03.11.09.11.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:12:00 -0800 (PST) From: Allan Day To: Phil Bull In-Reply-To: <1299844205.1866.17.camel@panther> References: <1299765097.4421.79.camel@panther> <4D78FDF3.6080803@shaw.ca> <1299844205.1866.17.camel@panther> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:11:58 +0000 Message-ID: <1299863518.2227.80.camel@blackbox.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 (2.32.2-1.fc14) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: usability Subject: Re: [Usability] State of the HIG? X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: allanpday@gmail.com List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:12:15 -0000 Phil Bull wrote: > Hi Kirk, > > On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 08:36 -0800, Kirk Bridger wrote: > > A few of us were working on the structure and general approach of the > > HIG back in the late fall. Since then we haven't been able to gain > > any momentum on the project due to conflicting priorities. > > > > We may be able to put some rough version together but I can't say for > > sure. Calum is putting together some ideas and we may have more to > > report in the near term. > > > > Sorry I can't offer any more insight - hopefully Calum or Allan can > > pipe in with a little more detail. > > Thanks for the update. How much material do people have already? It > doesn't have to be anywhere near approaching final draft quality - notes > (even handwritten ones!) and sketches are enough for us to be getting > started with. > > This is time-critical for us (the hackfest is next week), so anything > that you guys can provide would be very welcome. I've been giving this a little more thought. There are a small number of new design patterns which we are going to be pushing in GNOME 3, and some draft guidance does exist for these. They include: * Symbolic icons * Inline toolbars for editable lists (be aware: theming work on these is ongoing!) * Notifications * Application naming If you're looking for something to do, and you fancied cobbling a small HIG GNOME 3 update document together, that would be very cool! :) http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/AppIntegration http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/HIG3/EditableLists http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/SymbolicIcons/UseGuidelines http://gitorious.org/gnome-design/gnome-design/blobs/master/mockups/theming/widget-inline-toolbar.png Allan -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org From prvs=0051ab2318=marc.redemske@student.afg.hs-anhalt.de Fri Mar 11 20:52:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23406750294 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:52:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UnaT09QUzSzx for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:52:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.afg.hs-anhalt.de (mail2.afg.hs-anhalt.de [193.25.43.33]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C04750102 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:52:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from p5dde1540.dip.t-dialin.net ([93.222.21.64]:60043 helo=[192.168.2.107]) by mail2.afg.hs-anhalt.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Py9JT-0003qz-31; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 21:51:56 +0100 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0206.4D7A8B6C.001A,ss=1,fgs=0 Message-ID: <4D7A8B77.3040302@student.afg.hs-anhalt.de> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 21:52:07 +0100 From: Marc Redemske User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 SUSE/3.0.11 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Calum Benson References: <1299765097.4421.79.camel@panther> <4D78FDF3.6080803@shaw.ca> <4D792789.2010307@student.afg.hs-anhalt.de> <4985BB84-1318-4AEC-9CE2-8E5DFB31CF13@oracle.com> In-Reply-To: <4985BB84-1318-4AEC-9CE2-8E5DFB31CF13@oracle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: usability@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Usability] State of the HIG? X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:52:13 -0000 Hi Calum, I talked to Allan this day and he dold me I might to review the screenshot tool. I don't know whether this is helpful or not? Please let me know if you have some further suggestions. So, I'd start to write some thoughts about, if it's useful... xox marc On 03/11/2011 05:55 PM, Calum Benson wrote: > Hi Marc, > > On 10 Mar 2011, at 19:33, Marc Redemske wrote: > > >> hey guys just read the message, I'm new to GNOME and would like to help... >> so, is there any way to get these things faster done or can you tell me >> how to participate succesfully in this area? >> > For now, I'd say "watch this space" for another couple of weeks. The plan is that the format of the new HIG should make it easier for people to contribute to than was the case with the previous version. So once we're at the point where the format and structure is more or less agreed and we need to start generating real content, I'm sure we'll be looking for more writers and reviewers. > > Thanks, > Calum. > > From lyeoh@pop.jaring.my Sun Mar 20 09:37:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA877503B1 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 09:37:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eRDdr5nSxGu3 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 09:37:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 910 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 09:37:18 UTC Received: from mxapp13.jaring.my (vsmtp4.jaring.my [192.228.250.84]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31A5750127 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 09:37:10 +0000 (UTC) X-AuditID: c0e4fad7-b7b7eae000005848-c6-4d85c7341378 Received: from core.localhost. ( [60.50.251.93]) by mxapp13.jaring.my (JARING SMTP READY) with SMTP id A7.ED.22600.537C58D4; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:21:57 +0800 (MYT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:21:50 +0800 To: usability@gnome.org From: Lincoln Yeoh Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Message-Id: <20110320093718.E31A5750127@menubar.gnome.org> Subject: [Usability] Handling documents and files X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 09:37:23 -0000 Hi, Say I've a file/document opened in one application, I edit it and I save it somewhere. Now say I want to: a) email it to someone b) edit it with a different program (not necessarily the default program associated with it) c) copy/move it somewhere else Seems for many GUIs I often have to go through the process of looking for the file again before being able to do a), b) or c). I can't quickly specify/pass to a different application "this file" I'm working on, or "the file I just saved", or the URL/path to that file, or even copy the URL/path of the file to the clipboard (so that I can paste it to "open" dialog or a file location bar). Some applications of course support a "send as email" in their file menu, but this is not a standard across all apps. Some applications trigger the "Recent Documents" but not all of them. Shouldn't the GUI be able to know the path of "Documents" that have been opened/saved/renamed by the application (at least those opened/saved/renamed by the standard methods - e.g. standard "Open"/"Save As" Dialog, or "launched" by the GUI)? What is the recommended GNOME way of doing this quickly? Regards, Link. From calum.benson@oracle.com Mon Mar 21 17:17:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB827501E9 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:17:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.209 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.209 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rsf-Uu7FrgBq for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com (rcsinet10.oracle.com [148.87.113.121]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CAB7500C8 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p2LHHmdA002656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:17:49 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p2LHHlqI000605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:17:47 GMT Received: from abhmt019.oracle.com (abhmt019.oracle.com [141.146.116.28]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p2LHHk3e011852 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:17:46 -0500 Received: from calmac.tolka.local (/109.77.143.137) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:17:45 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) From: Calum Benson In-Reply-To: <20110320093718.E31A5750127@menubar.gnome.org> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:17:42 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6923F144-BA5A-4781-B8CE-559E57BDCC61@oracle.com> References: <20110320093718.E31A5750127@menubar.gnome.org> To: usability Usability X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Source-IP: acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4D87883B.02A3,ss=1,fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Usability] Handling documents and files X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:17:53 -0000 On 20 Mar 2011, at 09:21, Lincoln Yeoh wrote: > What is the recommended GNOME way of doing this quickly? There isn't really a standard way, and that of course isn't a good thing = -- it's on our list to think about for GNOME 3.=20 One partial solution would be for GNOME to use proxy icons, where the = icon in a window's title bar represents the document. That icon can then = be dragged into other windows to perform operations on the document such = as opening, printing or attaching it. While that would be a quite a = powerful feature, though, it's also quite a hidden one, and not very = accessible, so we'd probably need something a bit more obvious too. Regards, Calum. --=20 CALUM BENSON, Interaction Designer Oracle Corporation Ireland Ltd. mailto:calum.benson@oracle.com Solaris Desktop Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Oracle Corp. From guillaume.desmottes@gmail.com Tue Mar 29 10:45:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A427504C8 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:45:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZBC+Dh+sQJgB for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF61D7504F2 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so9168gxk.27 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:45:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tTwH8kdkR/46fc6/YZFFbbhlGQ901huHlY85n+e1Jb8=; b=WVJpDETJ6X+72pDlRhG7FC7Hzvr7x815j6WguXmsKzTVDsFiSPRxVbrjfxmf+SEBpE /drg/t9b8kefI97vA2CBisvQykMCDN2LTYUuq1+sV1jlFQAtM3KLwBkj7eolCB+y4PPW NJ41GYgNr5OpmvAXpY3BXEv2yY0nDGSB5DP38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=ngXw6PHhY0HWmD60NBZFuVc8K0bIZkBITa+kg8M+dnsIz+pkaA/R55a+aeBvDFL/C7 z55rXR5rSHfQFtCp1ecQqA1WDrEQZmiGFLppbN16POt8nWWk163qk1qPbImzx62vSyXI WrbtD8NHZhTDY8ip+TZ6dRli5fjgmuneYUTvM= Received: by 10.236.79.198 with SMTP id i46mr3199173yhe.363.1301395517369; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.208] (ip-213-49-255-188.dsl.scarlet.be [213.49.255.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l3sm1075629yhn.13.2011.03.29.03.45.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Guillaume Desmottes From: Guillaume Desmottes To: usability@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:45:12 +0200 Message-ID: <1301395512.2821.46.camel@cass-x200s> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: telepathy Subject: [Usability] New Empathy default chat theme X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:45:31 -0000 Hi everyone, As explained on this bug, we'd like to design a new default chat theme for Empathy: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645920 I think that could be a perfect candidate to try improving synergy between the design team and developers, so if you have any comment or suggestion please comment on the bug. Thanks! G. -- Guillaume Desmottes Jabber GPG 1024D/711E31B1 | 1B5A 1BA8 11AA F0F1 2169 E28A AC55 8671 711E 31B1 From allanpday@gmail.com Tue Mar 29 15:16:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9C77500B0; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:16:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zo0t8hP4CNG2; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16414750073; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so392736vxc.27 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:16:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to :references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NfFDk/cfF+HaehM33kc31YfUsLzE/60qM91jpBq3pjU=; b=c1xFBqCvPZ8/vdhAmFp3qOF/CXDrVTze5sn1f3VXgJscqLaINM6TNFzT9w6zcW4BKV 9r85yHwjOtIyojGnGshq7F3UPXUObKWJXSxrlNu2A6NZ580voX+J3Ug3S7KE4wD6YBz7 ycVAZs19xDG9v/EJ4oCVsRpfPk2JNGBCdnMNw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=M9kd+gt1Ffvn2pUJ2Motb3pbeXcCaHvcY8/dNmzfOZ2nWl465h2ryVUTd9vlUIWOOV +n8KuQcUVhxrpqiEd+9f8pa4MUhcdVp4j/zkflj9JoqocyBYwYkyzXIQLy+v2KV+tg3K fzQTTT43Pe55G+YSayo+P5f2AFYCqHB7RnpMk= Received: by 10.52.93.177 with SMTP id cv17mr7664454vdb.133.1301411804299; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.18] ([117.192.210.93]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m22sm985796vcp.11.2011.03.29.08.16.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:16:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Allan Day To: Guillaume Desmottes In-Reply-To: <1301395512.2821.46.camel@cass-x200s> References: <1301395512.2821.46.camel@cass-x200s> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:46:35 +0530 Message-ID: <1301411795.2177.1.camel@banjo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 (2.32.1-1.fc14) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: usability@gnome.org, telepathy Subject: Re: [Usability] New Empathy default chat theme X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: allanpday@gmail.com List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:16:57 -0000 Hey! Guillaume Desmottes wrote: > Hi everyone, > > As explained on this bug, we'd like to design a new default chat theme > for Empathy: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645920 > > I think that could be a perfect candidate to try improving synergy > between the design team and developers, so if you have any comment or > suggestion please comment on the bug. Do you have any existing ideas about what you'd like the theme to be like, or are we starting with a blank canvas? Allan -- Blog: https://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org From guillaume.desmottes@gmail.com Wed Mar 30 07:27:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256DA75087F for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:27:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t39XrhHEFcaD for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1A6750881 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwk4 with SMTP id 4so4077747wwk.3 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:26:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to :references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ee6Fv9VOQrF/uWkEpy474xTd4QjrrjoLsidYDQugbV4=; b=w0QA/XsHLodu7t7FciNg84/2P6+F2VzULU0TSkzvkoZc5EPkCR24KULS+d/JDQKufz W/YnY/PcRqXFI5S+cl8e5oapTL3NZputdpnA/F44RyOKecHjNG6QvkFWDeQCslH79Jae rFa4dfrMpPyiMKu8oofTt6zkDPR6OCAiY+JGI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=lBOIAx/zafwZizvMQTb0U8kaiJ9ra8XOF9adEgsXhhztPheRB+qx7reXT1x3amOZ87 rBOMde47VcSoLXM8gym57ySEM68wyS1zMPKqOXRk5528mUJpHGM0rha6giaWaXSWlUj3 EyIP5JZ2h0uRyrwsGq08Bz9HbBe9pGpUWCzJM= Received: by 10.227.157.68 with SMTP id a4mr773950wbx.198.1301470012650; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.50.185] ([91.183.56.156]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y29sm2849521wbd.21.2011.03.30.00.26.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Guillaume Desmottes From: Guillaume Desmottes To: allanpday@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <1301411795.2177.1.camel@banjo> References: <1301395512.2821.46.camel@cass-x200s> <1301411795.2177.1.camel@banjo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:26:49 +0200 Message-ID: <1301470009.2821.84.camel@cass-x200s> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: usability@gnome.org, telepathy Subject: Re: [Usability] New Empathy default chat theme X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:27:06 -0000 Le mardi 29 mars 2011 à 20:46 +0530, Allan Day a écrit : > Hey! > > Guillaume Desmottes wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > As explained on this bug, we'd like to design a new default chat theme > > for Empathy: > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645920 > > > > I think that could be a perfect candidate to try improving synergy > > between the design team and developers, so if you have any comment or > > suggestion please comment on the bug. > > Do you have any existing ideas about what you'd like the theme to be > like, or are we starting with a blank canvas? I don't really know actually. I kinda like Ubuntu's theme but I'm ready to be convinced that we could do best with a different approach (I know for example that Will doesn't like it for a bunch of reasons, I'll ask him to share them with us). G. -- Guillaume Desmottes Jabber GPG 1024D/711E31B1 | 1B5A 1BA8 11AA F0F1 2169 E28A AC55 8671 711E 31B1 From ashvsharma@aol.com Wed Mar 30 12:46:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: usability@gnome.org Delivered-To: usability@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F217750954 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:46:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.802 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.802 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RFC_ABUSE_POST=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0ztK4s9-g+de for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omr-d32.mx.aol.com (omr-d32.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.130]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF4775038B for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:46:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oms-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (oms-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [205.188.255.11]) by omr-d32.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p2UChsJH021395 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:43:54 -0400 Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by oms-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (AOL Outbound OMS Interface) with ESMTP id DA3A638000081 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-doc002a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-doc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.197]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 88472E00008B for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:43:54 -0400 (EDT) To: usability@gnome.org X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 182.64.40.209 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ashvini Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CDBCEF431A2BD3_2358_3D57_Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33474-STANDARD Received: from 182.64.40.209 by Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com (205.188.168.107) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:43:53 -0400 Message-Id: <8CDBCEF431A2BD3-2358-21BD@Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [182.64.40.209] Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:43:53 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:408591872:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29084d93258a2045 Subject: [Usability] How to update gnome lateast build? X-BeenThere: usability@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: This list is devoted to discussing and improving GNOME's usability List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:46:56 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CDBCEF431A2BD3_2358_3D57_Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" =20 =20 Hi Guys, =20 I am newbie to Gnome usability, group. Using Fedora15 to get the default gnome3 or by using live cd of gnome3 on m= y system. How I will be updating gnome3 to get the latest build? to see the reflect c= hanges after bug fix. or is there any sandbox credential that I suppose to use for testing/usabil= ity. =20 Please suggest. =20 Thanks, Ashvini ----------MB_8CDBCEF431A2BD3_2358_3D57_Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

Hi Guys,
 
I am newbie to Gnome usability, group.
Using Fedora15 to get the default gnome3 or by usi= ng live cd of gnome3 on my system.
How I will be updating gnome3 to get the latest bu= ild? to see the reflect changes after bug fix.

or is there any sandbox credential that I suppose = to use for testing/usability.

Please suggest.
 
Thanks,
Ashvini
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