From alexarnaud@member.fsf.org Tue Dec 1 07:42:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD9B76A4C for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 07:42:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ryeXigMBIwZ5 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 07:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.195]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EC77625D for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 07:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter30-d.gandi.net (mfilter30-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.161]) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A127A80DC for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 08:42:48 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter30-d.gandi.net Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([IPv6:::ffff:217.70.183.195]) by mfilter30-d.gandi.net (mfilter30-d.gandi.net [::ffff:10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8vgGmWWamTKr for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 08:42:46 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 93.27.217.217 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (217.217.27.93.rev.sfr.net [93.27.217.217]) (Authenticated sender: alex@arnaud.link) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A04B0A80CB for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 08:42:46 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <564E2F16.4020004@arnaud.link> <1448925609.23761.0.camel@posteo.de> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <565D4F76.7060004@member.fsf.org> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 08:42:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1448925609.23761.0.camel@posteo.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070309050100010101050305" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and Twitter website bugs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 07:42:48 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070309050100010101050305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 01/12/2015 00:20, David Hunt wrote: > Hi, Alex! Hi, David! > I, too, have noticed troubles with the native Twitter site and orca; > instead, I use easychirp.com it's an accessible front end for twitter; > it even works with text-only browsers or FF with JS disabled. Check it > out! I've tried but I have also bugs with easy chip and latest Orca master. Should Orca reads content of the tweet with the author name when we navigate between h2 ? In my test if the Twitter account haven't name like @jeremyp3 and @emacspeak Orca skip the content of the tweet. You can find here a debug log . -- Alex ARNAUD --------------070309050100010101050305 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 01/12/2015 00:20, David Hunt wrote:
Hi, Alex!
Hi, David!
I, too, have noticed troubles with the native Twitter site and orca;
instead, I use easychirp.com  it's an accessible front end for twitter;
it even works with text-only browsers or FF with JS disabled.  Check it
out!
I've tried but I have also bugs with easy chip and latest Orca master.
Should Orca reads content of the tweet with the author name when we navigate between h2 ?
In my test if the Twitter account haven't name like @jeremyp3 and @emacspeak Orca skip the content of the tweet. You can find here a debug log.
-- 
Alex ARNAUD
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Perhaps this can solve the problem. On 11/30/2015 08:47 PM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: > Hi folks, > I am trying out a software called Nuvolaplayer, which provides some > desktop integration for music streaming apps including spotify. It looks > interesting and I would like to use it somehow, but unfortunatelly I can > not. > I can move through links using tab and navigation keys like "b", "k" > etc... but I can't read text with arrows. Is this normal behavior? > I don't know exactly which technologies it uses, but in Arch Linux it > depends on Webkit2gtk, Vala and GTK3. > Thanks and best regards, > Vojta > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza From ptesar@ca.inter.net Tue Dec 1 12:16:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837F476A69 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 12:16:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.61 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wpZ0zKmyOBVd for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 12:16:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 434 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 12:16:40 UTC Received: from mail-1.ca.inter.net (mail-1.ca.inter.net [208.85.220.69]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E88576A67 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 12:16:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (offload-3.ca.inter.net [208.85.220.70]) by mail-1.ca.inter.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE8331B940 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 07:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-1.ca.inter.net ([208.85.220.69]) by localhost (offload-3.ca.inter.net [208.85.220.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pJEmGDlP1JUw for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 07:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (host-104-157-216-7.dyn.295.ca [104.157.216.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail-1.ca.inter.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5A003122FD for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 07:09:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <565D8DE8.4080004@ca.inter.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 07:09:12 -0500 From: Peter Tesar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <565CD1F3.90909@gmail.com> <565D6652.3070302@informal.com.br> In-Reply-To: <565D6652.3070302@informal.com.br> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090202060009020007050609" Subject: [orca-list] Orca no longer talking in ArchLinux Mate. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: ptesar@ca.inter.net List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 12:16:41 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090202060009020007050609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello list, Orca is no longer starting when I bring up Mate. How do I recreate the settings directory? HOME/.local/share/orca I am running The Talking ArchLinux which boots to the command line. When necessary, I go to Mate by starting the lxdm display manager. The problem started after I upgraded all the packages. Now Orca no longer starts when Mate comes up. Following a suggestion, I deleted the Orca settings folder and then I ran “orca –replace” and orca does not come up talking. I upgraded the orca package. Whenever I run “orca –replace’, a Screen reader starting Message appears briefly. The Orca setting directory is not being created. When Mate is up, I can go into a console and speakup works. The process command does not indicate that Orca is running. $ ps –e | grep –I orca This same command, in Vinux 5, does indicate that Orca is there with a status of “sl”. If the lack of the Orca settings directory is the problem, how do I recreate it? Thanks, Peter T. --------------090202060009020007050609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hello list,

 

Orca is no longer starting when I bring up Mate. How do I recreate the settings directory?

  HOME/.local/share/orca

 

I am running The Talking ArchLinux which boots to the command line. When necessary, I go to Mate by starting the lxdm display manager.

 

The problem started after I upgraded all the packages. Now Orca no longer starts  when Mate comes up.

 

Following a suggestion, I deleted the Orca settings folder and then

I ran “orca –replace” and orca does not come up talking.

 

I upgraded the orca package. Whenever I run “orca –replace’, a

  Screen reader starting

Message appears briefly. The Orca setting directory is not being created.

 

When Mate is up, I can go into a console and speakup works.

The process command does not indicate that Orca is running.

  $ ps –e | grep –I orca

This same command, in Vinux 5, does indicate that Orca is there with a status of “sl”.

 

If the lack of the Orca settings directory is the problem, how do I recreate it?

 

Thanks,

 

Peter T.


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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 13:32:48 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060607010605040702000709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, Is the mate it-self running? Can you try launching orca by starting it via run command ( alt+F2 )? Or can you ask someone sighted to help you start orca from the mate terminal to see what's printed to the standard output? I am running 32 bit of arch linux in a VM with recent updates running mate 1.12 gtk2 version. I believe the only difference to your setup might be the fact I am using lightdm while you are using lxdm Greetings Peter On 01.12.2015 at 13:09 Peter Tesar wrote: > > Hello list, > > Orca is no longer starting when I bring up Mate. How do I recreate the > settings directory? > > HOME/.local/share/orca > > I am running The Talking ArchLinux which boots to the command line. > When necessary, I go to Mate by starting the lxdm display manager. > > The problem started after I upgraded all the packages. Now Orca no > longer starts when Mate comes up. > > Following a suggestion, I deleted the Orca settings folder and then > > I ran “orca –replace” and orca does not come up talking. > > I upgraded the orca package. Whenever I run “orca –replace’, a > > Screen reader starting > > Message appears briefly. The Orca setting directory is not being created. > > When Mate is up, I can go into a console and speakup works. > > The process command does not indicate that Orca is running. > > $ ps –e | grep –I orca > > This same command, in Vinux 5, does indicate that Orca is there with a > status of “sl”. > > If the lack of the Orca settings directory is the problem, how do I > recreate it? > > Thanks, > > Peter T. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --------------060607010605040702000709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello,

Is the mate it-self running?
Can you try launching orca by starting it via run command ( alt+F2 )?
Or can you ask someone sighted to help you start orca from the mate terminal to see what's printed to the standard output?

I am running 32 bit of arch linux in a VM with recent updates running mate 1.12 gtk2 version.

I believe the only difference to your setup might be the fact I am using lightdm while you are using lxdm

Greetings

Peter

On 01.12.2015 at 13:09 Peter Tesar wrote:

Hello list,

 

Orca is no longer starting when I bring up Mate. How do I recreate the settings directory?

  HOME/.local/share/orca

 

I am running The Talking ArchLinux which boots to the command line. When necessary, I go to Mate by starting the lxdm display manager.

 

The problem started after I upgraded all the packages. Now Orca no longer starts  when Mate comes up.

 

Following a suggestion, I deleted the Orca settings folder and then

I ran “orca –replace” and orca does not come up talking.

 

I upgraded the orca package. Whenever I run “orca –replace’, a

  Screen reader starting

Message appears briefly. The Orca setting directory is not being created.

 

When Mate is up, I can go into a console and speakup works.

The process command does not indicate that Orca is running.

  $ ps –e | grep –I orca

This same command, in Vinux 5, does indicate that Orca is there with a status of “sl”.

 

If the lack of the Orca settings directory is the problem, how do I recreate it?

 

Thanks,

 

Peter T.




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--------------060607010605040702000709-- From ptesar@ca.inter.net Tue Dec 1 15:54:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D3876A8E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 15:54:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.61 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rl4ZqELaLhiN for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 15:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-1.ca.inter.net (mail-1.ca.inter.net [208.85.220.69]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388EC76A69 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 15:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (offload-3.ca.inter.net [208.85.220.70]) by mail-1.ca.inter.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E125D31BD40 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 10:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-1.ca.inter.net ([208.85.220.69]) by localhost (offload-3.ca.inter.net [208.85.220.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rLIdbZmsNx1f for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 10:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (host-45-58-194-127.dyn.295.ca [45.58.194.127]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail-1.ca.inter.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DC2531BDA7 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 10:54:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <565DC291.3070109@ca.inter.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 10:53:53 -0500 From: Peter Tesar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010708030905080808000408" Subject: [orca-list] Orca no longer talking in ArchLinux Mate. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: ptesar@ca.inter.net List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 15:54:06 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010708030905080808000408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I do have Mate running. I did use the run box using alt+F2. In the run box I typed: "orca --replace". I was told that a brief message appears telling me that the screen reader started. While in Mate I can go into the console and speakup is working. In the console, the process command does not show Orcarunning: $ ps -e |grep -i orca The Orca settings directory is not there. HOME/.local/share/orca I upgraded the Orca package it is up-to-date. How do I recreate the orca settings? Peter T. Original message Hello list, Orca is no longer starting when I bring up Mate. How do I recreate the settings directory? HOME/.local/share/orca I am running The Talking ArchLinux which boots to the command line. When necessary, I go to Mate by starting the lxdm display manager. The problem started after I upgraded all the packages. Now Orca no longer starts when Mate comes up. Following a suggestion, I deleted the Orca settings folder and then I ran "orca --replace" and orca does not come up talking. I upgraded the orca package. Whenever I run "orca --replace', a Screen reader starting Message appears briefly. The Orca setting directory is not being created. When Mate is up, I can go into a console and speakup works. The process command does not indicate that Orca is running. $ ps --e | grep --I orca This same command, in Vinux 5, does indicate that Orca is there with a status of "sl". If the lack of the Orca settings directory is the problem, how do I recreate it? Thanks, Peter T. --------------010708030905080808000408 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello,

I do have Mate running. I did use the run box using alt+F2.
In the run box I typed: "orca --replace".

I was told that a brief message appears telling me that the screen reader started.

While in Mate I can go into the console and speakup is working.
In the console, the process command does not show Orca running:
  $ ps -e | grep -i orca

The Orca settings directory is not there.
  HOME/.local/share/orca

I upgraded the Orca package it is up-to-date.
How do I recreate the orca settings?

Peter T.

Original message

Hello list,

Orca is no longer starting when I bring up Mate. How do I recreate the settings directory? 

HOME/.local/share/orca

I am running The Talking ArchLinux which boots to the command line. When necessary, I go to Mate by starting the lxdm display manager.

The problem started after I upgraded all the packages. Now Orca no longer starts  when Mate comes up.

Following a suggestion, I deleted the Orca settings folder and then

I ran “orca –replace” and orca does not come up talking.

I upgraded the orca package. Whenever I run “orca –replace’, a  

Screen reader starting

Message appears briefly. The Orca setting directory is not being created.

When Mate is up, I can go into a console and speakup works.

The process command does not indicate that Orca is running. 

$ ps –e | grep –I orca

This same command, in Vinux 5, does indicate that Orca is there with a status of “sl”.

If the lack of the Orca settings directory is the problem, how do I recreate it?

Thanks,

Peter T.

 --------------010708030905080808000408-- From jason@jasonjgw.net Tue Dec 1 16:14:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902D47699B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:14:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pKmEOWepqjN7 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr.jasonjgw.net (svr.jasonjgw.net [192.155.90.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F00B7622E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jpc.jasonjgw.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:85:c202:533b:216:eaff:fe69:4636]) by svr.jasonjgw.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 679F432123 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 11:14:21 -0500 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151201161421.GB28540@jpc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <565DC291.3070109@ca.inter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <565DC291.3070109@ca.inter.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer talking in ArchLinux Mate. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 16:14:23 -0000 Peter Tesar wrote: > I was told that a brief message appears telling me that the screen reader > started. > > While in Mate I can go into the console and speakup is working. > In the console, the process command does not show Orcarunning: Try adding the --debug option to the Orca command that you specify at the "run" dialogue. Then inspect the debug log that it creates. From burt1iband@gmail.com Tue Dec 1 18:00:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C983D762A7 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 18:00:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PQSh3yN2_zon for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 18:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f53.google.com (mail-oi0-f53.google.com [209.85.218.53]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E1C7622E for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 18:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oies6 with SMTP id s6so8928848oie.1 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 10:00:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=u5gwxbUNLTLa3Ox7kjFRG2x5eidHyfSIDpIoB9z1X0c=; b=uXUt8cONBUjd6Rbx3y7c4H3B3bODeWpHPHB+O4SEx+8N8fPkFurNBJKiMu9WvLmXaK 3kxFyvMFulEUvzuwu4EXDnGcGFPG0l13MXV8Q/k5khUOrr2bhwjfEgrfmIIl9kZ91x3f 6YWI03OOruTzYUdesH8xwe7YZCxvTJNp6ppn0HAs5mZBduyczjEIv1npujeR5AAKDGAE p63A/35kIV+tTcLkXlNmP+OvdVzqHWswTNE0Mu8wo9X8v8rr/2P9V/qrXAW1HdW562SA 2mFzOObCcMkHn6KwEVis+L3X8pUU8NoY8/YuvLUlgN3ocRMxNOA0BnZATnnOf24u7CDd H8nQ== X-Received: by 10.202.183.130 with SMTP id h124mr45328748oif.58.1448992846483; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 10:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.58.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z190sm24367569oig.25.2015.12.01.10.00.44 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 01 Dec 2015 10:00:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 11:57:17 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: Peter Tesar , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151201175717.GA11553@gmail.com> References: <565DC291.3070109@ca.inter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <565DC291.3070109@ca.inter.net> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer talking in ArchLinux Mate. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 18:00:46 -0000 First thing is speech-dispatcher. Did you configure speech-dispatcher? Are you using pulse audio, or is this a pure alsa installation of mate? Also you are typing much more than you need to to check for your orca process. Try pgrep orca There is also pkill which saves you from searching for a process number before killing off a problematic process. It can be run with the codes that kill understands, e.g. pkill -9 someprocess uses the agressive -9 signal instead of shutting down the process normally. Is your sound working correctly in consoles? -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Peter Tesar wrote: Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 10:53:53AM -0500 > Hello, > > I do have Mate running. I did use the run box using alt+F2. > In the run box I typed: "orca --replace". > > I was told that a brief message appears telling me that the screen reader > started. > > While in Mate I can go into the console and speakup is working. > In the console, the process command does not show Orca running: >   $ ps -e | grep -i orca > > The Orca settings directory is not there. >   HOME/.local/share/orca > > I upgraded the Orca package it is up-to-date. > How do I recreate the orca settings? > > Peter T. > > Original message > > Hello list, > > Orca is no longer starting when I bring up Mate. How do I recreate the > settings directory?  > > HOME/.local/share/orca > > I am running The Talking ArchLinux which boots to the command line. When > necessary, I go to Mate by starting the lxdm display manager. > > The problem started after I upgraded all the packages. Now Orca no longer > starts  when Mate comes up. > > Following a suggestion, I deleted the Orca settings folder and then > > I ran “orca –replace” and orca does not come up talking. > > I upgraded the orca package. Whenever I run “orca –replace’, a   > > Screen reader starting > > Message appears briefly. The Orca setting directory is not being created. > > When Mate is up, I can go into a console and speakup works. > > The process command does not indicate that Orca is running.  > > $ ps –e | grep –I orca > > This same command, in Vinux 5, does indicate that Orca is there with a > status of “sl”. > > If the lack of the Orca settings directory is the problem, how do I > recreate it? > > Thanks, > > Peter T. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From pvdeejay@gmail.com Tue Dec 1 19:08:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB8E7699B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 19:08:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8vWc3hft0h9P for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 19:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f48.google.com (mail-wm0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0150F7697B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 19:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wmvv187 with SMTP id v187so222078924wmv.1 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 11:08:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1KXVcD9FcjAwxaBgPmXeVxMh4wG5EKjkDajpbRFVO+8=; b=YUs6AIq2HvdqR4LwDyEe0my5jyqs2O9uF8LWzJdMJmlv23ClM0Dwz3dhoMNIO11dBd sYgnCH6637qEkiJMlysqllnSOri+pTOXJoThvTUfTYneuTTPexAWRYV/DlP92c2MXPe/ /wuOJixqQU/jW9dGLw5BYBEgV9Zpu35u6I6JnPffQSalGWtW+wViz3OCorAOYfkaqcQ9 sXvc9EMimK1ZcDstF3FCsVs+kc46hZxhYyF4hi46QY/N6EmopQBaizxWQioH+vUDz9l+ VBXSbVQ3GOa6fcXih26w2LZK5PZaMPDYOT6gR6IqOpvtnx0QhSsFvqLp0V44UEsSAJYw WmFg== X-Received: by 10.194.109.2 with SMTP id ho2mr93194321wjb.40.1448996911937; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 11:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.164] ([81.161.61.153]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id c4sm52829699wjs.36.2015.12.01.11.08.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 Dec 2015 11:08:30 -0800 (PST) To: "B. Henry" , Peter Tesar , orca-list@gnome.org References: <565DC291.3070109@ca.inter.net> <20151201175717.GA11553@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <565DF02A.1060307@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 20:08:26 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151201175717.GA11553@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca no longer talking in ArchLinux Mate. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 19:08:32 -0000 Hello, Anyway to try answerring your question. I think orca will recreate the configuration folder with all the files inside as soon as you change some of the screen reader preferences through the corresponding dialog. Trying to answer as much as possible from the questions we are asking here might help you figure the issue: - Do you have sound within some of the mate apps? - Are you using pulseaudio? - If not have you configured speech-dispatcher to use alsa bipassing pulse audio? - Can you try running orca from within mate terminal not pure text console also possibly adding --debug argument? With the --debug argument orca should generate a *.out file in your home directory you can inspect or pastebin. - Do you have talking login screen? I.E. when you are logging in to your graphical session are you using orca and is it working like you are expecting it to? Greetings Peter On 01.12.2015 at 18:57 B. Henry wrote: > First thing is speech-dispatcher. > Did you configure speech-dispatcher? > Are you using pulse audio, or is this a pure alsa installation of mate? > Also you are typing much more than you need to to check for your orca process. > Try > pgrep orca > There is also pkill which saves you from searching for a process number before killing off a problematic process. It can be run with the codes that kill > understands, e.g. pkill -9 someprocess uses the agressive -9 signal instead of shutting down the process normally. > Is your sound working correctly in consoles? > > > From dahunt@posteo.de Tue Dec 1 19:14:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309067699B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 19:14:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.611 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.611 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RQhIjC05iM_M for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 19:14:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout01.posteo.de (mout01.posteo.de [185.67.36.65]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFAA7697B for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 19:14:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dovecot03.posteo.de (dovecot03.posteo.de [172.16.0.13]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13CC020999 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 20:14:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.posteo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dovecot03.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3p9CmZ2zkFz5vNB for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 20:14:54 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: David Hunt Message-ID: <565DF1AC.80803@posteo.de> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 14:14:52 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] [OT] How to bring GNOME up to date in Ubuntu-GNOME 15.10? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 19:14:57 -0000 I've already brought orca up to date from master, and using the components from the accessibility-dev ppa; no problems yet. When I tried to build Evolution Email from master, I got error messages about some build dependencies being of the wrong version. Is there a GNOME ppa that would bring things up to 3.19? Thanks, Dave From luke.yelavich@canonical.com Tue Dec 1 21:16:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BD2765BB for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:16:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1OCZYWhmHWBk for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from youngberry.canonical.com (youngberry.canonical.com [91.189.89.112]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B895F763C1 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cpe-60-225-209-8.nsw.bigpond.net.au ([60.225.209.8] helo=buffalo) by youngberry.canonical.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1a3sHb-0004jG-WB for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:16:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 08:16:15 +1100 From: Luke Yelavich To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151201211615.GA2834@buffalo> References: <565CD1F3.90909@gmail.com> <565D6652.3070302@informal.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <565D6652.3070302@informal.com.br> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Webkit2GTK accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:16:21 -0000 On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 08:20:18PM AEDT, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote: > Did you try to enable caret navigation pressing f7? > Perhaps this can solve the problem. I think this has to be implemented by the application that wraps the webkit widget, as it is a setting in the webkit widget that has to be toggled. Luke From ptesar@ca.inter.net Wed Dec 2 02:37:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9B7762C3 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 02:37:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.61 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1SO192oIqqcF for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 02:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-1.ca.inter.net (mail-1.ca.inter.net [208.85.220.69]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AA5762AF for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 02:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (offload-3.ca.inter.net [208.85.220.70]) by mail-1.ca.inter.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284AD31B9F5; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-1.ca.inter.net ([208.85.220.69]) by localhost (offload-3.ca.inter.net [208.85.220.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fCGB4wVllZlJ; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (host-104-157-219-200.dyn.295.ca [104.157.219.200]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail-1.ca.inter.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22EA131B7AB; Tue, 1 Dec 2015 21:37:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <565E5950.1080907@ca.inter.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:37:04 -0500 From: Peter Tesar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org, vinux-support@googlegroups.com References: <565DC291.3070109@ca.inter.net> <20151201161421.GB28540@jpc.jasonjgw.net> In-Reply-To: <20151201161421.GB28540@jpc.jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070809070407060007050903" Subject: [orca-list] SUCCESS! Orca now talking in ArchLinux Mate. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: ptesar@ca.inter.net List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 02:37:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070809070407060007050903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I have Orca back and thanks for your feedback. I ran the debug option, in the Mate terminal, and the last line indicated that the device did not have enough space. Running the --debug option, from the Mate run box, creates an empty debug...out file. I freed up some space and started Mate. This time I heard screen reader started I guess Orca was trying to create the Orca settings directory HOME/.local/share/orca It couldn't, so Orca did not start. The Orca preferences was there, and saving new settings confirms that Orca is back. The settings directory was recreated when Orca started by itself, the --replace option was not necessary. For the most part, Orca works well, I can use Firefox and Thunderbird. There seems to be a minor problem with the speech or language. I hear extra symbols that were not there before. On starting mate, I hear: backward f zero, screen reader started On cycling around, I hear: co jaco desktop This is a minor thingand I consider the problem solved. I have Orca back so thanks for your suggestions. Peter T. On 2015-12-01 11:14 AM, Jason White wrote: > Peter Tesar wrote: > >> I was told that a brief message appears telling me that the screen reader >> started. >> >> While in Mate I can go into the console and speakup is working. >> In the console, the process command does not show Orcarunning: > Try adding the --debug option to the Orca command that you specify at the > "run" dialogue. Then inspect the debug log that it creates. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > --------------070809070407060007050903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I have Orca back and thanks for your feedback.

I ran the debug option, in the Mate terminal, and the last line indicated that the device did not have enough space. Running the --debug option, from the Mate run box, creates an empty debug...out file.

 I freed up some space and started Mate. This time I heard
  screen reader started

I guess Orca was trying to create the Orca settings directory
  HOME/.local/share/orca

It couldn't, so Orca did not start. The Orca preferences was there, and saving new settings confirms that Orca is back.

The settings directory was recreated when Orca started by itself, the --replace option was not necessary.

For the most part, Orca works well, I can use Firefox and Thunderbird.

There seems to be a minor problem with the speech or language. I hear extra symbols that were not there before. On starting mate, I hear:
  backward f zero, screen reader started

 On cycling around, I hear:
  co jaco desktop

This is a minor thing and I consider the problem solved. I have Orca back so thanks for your suggestions.

 Peter T.
On 2015-12-01 11:14 AM, Jason White wrote:
Peter Tesar <ptesar@ca.inter.net> wrote:
 

I was told that a brief message appears telling me that the screen reader
started.

While in Mate I can go into the console and speakup is working.
In the console, the process command does not show Orcarunning:

Try adding the --debug option to the Orca command that you specify at the
"run" dialogue. Then inspect the debug log that it creates.

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https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

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[62.168.109.217]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id b82sm30563534wmf.9.2015.12.02.03.15.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Dec 2015 03:15:46 -0800 (PST) To: Orca-list From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <565ED2E2.3000606@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 12:15:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pan.pav.7c5@gmail.com, Kyle Subject: [orca-list] Lightdm GTK greeter accessibility revisited X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 11:15:49 -0000 Hello, This is turning in to a little story, so please apologize for posting a lot of background details. I am currently trying to run lightdm with lightdm GTK greeter working on my system. I would like to use it to either login into mate, or login into xfce4 or login directly into kodi. Lightdm appears to be only one accessible enough from the minimalist desktop managers I know of. Lightdm greeter started implementing accessibility support in a way so it has preferences to launch on screen keyboard, screen reader from its menu. The problem with this initial goal was the issue where upon dismissing the greeter session there was at-spi2 core bus still present and it was not easy to get accessibility support working inside the resulting user session after logging in. Here is the corresponding bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1366534. While in this state I was able to hack around the fact there are lightdm greeter processes open after the greeter is dismissed by using session-setup-script and session-cleanup-script to kill these. While not particularly nice solution this worked pretty well. There were issues with other stale processes so lightdm GTK greeter now implements a way to run some helper apps such as at-spi2-core or applet indicators specific processes remembers their pid's and gracefully kills these when exiting. While implementing this a feature that causes more problem than it solves crept in unfortunately. Current versions of lightdm GTK greeter now set NO_AT_BRIDGE environment variable. The original reasoning behind this is that when lightdm greeter launches at-spi2 it should force ATK not to launch it again by setting ("NO_AT_BRIDGE", to true. The result of this is that orca is started, at-spi2 is started but these can't communicate to each other I guess. By experimenting I have found out that orca and ATK won't start another copy of at-spi2 core if one is already launched by lightdm so I think this can be removed without risking other possible issues. The corresponding bug report is at https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1483864 . So given this I hoped we might see awesome accessibility related greeter experience very soon but unfortunately I've found another issue and this time I am afraid it might have something to do with orca. When lightdm GTK greeter is configured with reader in its accessibility states it includes Screen reader menu item which allows starting orca. A keyboard equivalent of enabling that menu item is an F4 keyboard shortcut which is working as a toggle i.e. it switches screen reader to on or off. Under the hood lightdm GTK greeter launches orca or to be precise the command configured in its config file, remembers its pid and then kills that pid when the feature is toggled to off. What I have just noticed when orca receives sigterm it appears to freeze here. I am however only able to reproduce this when running inside a lightdm greeter session and when logged into xfce for example I can kill orca without issues. This is with orca 3.18.2 and with orca master. Unfortunately I can find nothing useful in the debug*.out file orca generates. How would I go about trying to better troubleshoot this? I do have some other possibly related questions: - Orca launches other helper apps such as speech-dispatcher which in turn may optionally also launch pulseaudio. Should these also be tracked in lightdm GTK greeter the same way at-spi is? - When lightdm is running as a systemd service and I call systemctl stop lightdm the greeter process is terminated however at-spi and I suspect the other tracked processes are still running. Is this a bug? 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[74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id q188sm1346704oif.28.2015.12.02.06.45.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Dec 2015 06:45:06 -0800 (PST) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= , Orca-list References: <565ED2E2.3000606@gmail.com> From: kendell clark Message-ID: <565F03F1.4010907@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 08:45:05 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <565ED2E2.3000606@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: pan.pav.7c5@gmail.com, Kyle Subject: Re: [orca-list] Lightdm GTK greeter accessibility revisited X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 14:45:07 -0000 hi THis has been going on for quite a while now. I've been following these bugs because they're causing some major issues in our mate version of sonar. There's a catch 22. I can't include gdm because gdm pulls in lots of gnome, but lightdm causes issues with orca so I can't easily include that. But it's the only other accessible login dm. The best solution would be to use the unity greeter ubuntu and vinux use, but trying to build it in aur pulls in way too many ubuntu specific under the hood components, patched versions of gtk, unity libs, etc. Too much stuff to justify trying to get into community. I can't help you solve it but I wanted to publically encourage you to keep at it since the lightdm people seem to have written this off as too much effort, pick another dm? Thanks Kendell clark On 12/02/2015 05:15 AM, Peter Vgner wrote: > Hello, > > This is turning in to a little story, so please apologize for posting a > lot of background details. > I am currently trying to run lightdm with lightdm GTK greeter working on > my system. I would like to use it to either login into mate, or login > into xfce4 or login directly into kodi. > Lightdm appears to be only one accessible enough from the minimalist > desktop managers I know of. > Lightdm greeter started implementing accessibility support in a way so > it has preferences to launch on screen keyboard, screen reader from its > menu. The problem with this initial goal was the issue where upon > dismissing the greeter session there was at-spi2 core bus still present > and it was not easy to get accessibility support working inside the > resulting user session after logging in. Here is the corresponding bug > report https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1366534. > While in this state I was able to hack around the fact there are lightdm > greeter processes open after the greeter is dismissed by using > session-setup-script and session-cleanup-script to kill these. While not > particularly nice solution this worked pretty well. > There were issues with other stale processes so lightdm GTK greeter now > implements a way to run some helper apps such as at-spi2-core or applet > indicators specific processes remembers their pid's and gracefully kills > these when exiting. While implementing this a feature that causes more > problem than it solves crept in unfortunately. Current versions of > lightdm GTK greeter now set NO_AT_BRIDGE environment variable. The > original reasoning behind this is that when lightdm greeter launches > at-spi2 it should force ATK not to launch it again by setting > ("NO_AT_BRIDGE", to true. The result of this is that orca is started, > at-spi2 is started but these can't communicate to each other I guess. By > experimenting I have found out that orca and ATK won't start another > copy of at-spi2 core if one is already launched by lightdm so I think > this can be removed without risking other possible issues. The > corresponding bug report is at > https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1483864 . > So given this I hoped we might see awesome accessibility related greeter > experience very soon but unfortunately I've found another issue and this > time I am afraid it might have something to do with orca. > When lightdm GTK greeter is configured with reader in its accessibility > states it includes Screen reader menu item which allows starting orca. A > keyboard equivalent of enabling that menu item is an F4 keyboard > shortcut which is working as a toggle i.e. it switches screen reader to > on or off. Under the hood lightdm GTK greeter launches orca or to be > precise the command configured in its config file, remembers its pid and > then kills that pid when the feature is toggled to off. > What I have just noticed when orca receives sigterm it appears to freeze > here. I am however only able to reproduce this when running inside a > lightdm greeter session and when logged into xfce for example I can kill > orca without issues. This is with orca 3.18.2 and with orca master. > Unfortunately I can find nothing useful in the debug*.out file orca > generates. How would I go about trying to better troubleshoot this? > > I do have some other possibly related questions: > - Orca launches other helper apps such as speech-dispatcher which in > turn may optionally also launch pulseaudio. Should these also be tracked > in lightdm GTK greeter the same way at-spi is? > - When lightdm is running as a systemd service and I call systemctl stop > lightdm the greeter process is terminated however at-spi and I suspect > the other tracked processes are still running. Is this a bug? > > Greetings > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From pvdeejay@gmail.com Wed Dec 2 15:27:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFA5768C3 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:27:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CDA-pbtsuVDT for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f42.google.com (mail-wm0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C481B7684C for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wmuu63 with SMTP id u63so219641596wmu.0 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 07:27:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mf+BpkbjCgur8hdM6eoNYKF+JtJkaNh5gAi0ts1BOEg=; b=d/wF/FGp3sM9WtNhfZI4z+e7BKFAhh5a5dxs9h3d7m9eMjEs2DL1drKhHBjEMynnXc 2bw7ZZ8gDUxPbXEyc0/LV0DWDCROc5r8ug2K9ERLpQh8NRVtGf7Tu/2pNvXCigEpIkAN We8J5pVcQ8lXHMmEgFJMzwgGL6nPRqVuGkRo422ThcONTMZY3jyZwHltxAV+fMTzM3jC VKemVTzeCXvY/3M/BCxlGyT8OSqLRQfW5kFknzOq+rkT/qgTzQHSo0+pU9BGDOaFgWWe tMEdHb1msLvqsOJflL8XvB7hmErCvo9aS5qX//D3ow4MLNaEwQgFoT+5yw9Ac9I8ugYO uhNQ== X-Received: by 10.28.174.130 with SMTP id x124mr4008353wme.2.1449070066517; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 07:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.8.24] (ab25.webra.bb.cust.gts.sk. [62.168.109.217]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id u134sm31410955wmd.0.2015.12.02.07.27.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Dec 2015 07:27:44 -0800 (PST) To: kendell clark , Orca-list References: <565ED2E2.3000606@gmail.com> <565F03F1.4010907@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <565F0DEE.6080409@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 16:27:42 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <565F03F1.4010907@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: pan.pav.7c5@gmail.com, Kyle Subject: Re: [orca-list] Lightdm GTK greeter accessibility revisited X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 15:27:47 -0000 Hello, As I have said the only thing problematic with lightdm vs orca usage is the fact orca can't be killed gracefully. An ugly hack would be a script which would trap sigterm and forcefully kill orca however I have started this discussion so we can try to find someone who can give us some tips on how to address it properly. If you don't care about starting at stopping orca on the login screen i.e. sharing computer with sighted folks then you should be fine tweaking it as I have explained at the bug here... https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1483864 Have you ever seen a case when you wrote killall orca and orca has frozen? Can you reproduce it, then this is something I would like to understand better. Greetings Peter On 02.12.2015 at 15:45 kendell clark wrote: > hi > THis has been going on for quite a while now. I've been following these > bugs because they're causing some major issues in our mate version of > sonar. There's a catch 22. I can't include gdm because gdm pulls in lots > of gnome, but lightdm causes issues with orca so I can't easily include > that. But it's the only other accessible login dm. The best solution > would be to use the unity greeter ubuntu and vinux use, but trying to > build it in aur pulls in way too many ubuntu specific under the hood > components, patched versions of gtk, unity libs, etc. Too much stuff to > justify trying to get into community. I can't help you solve it but I > wanted to publically encourage you to keep at it since the lightdm > people seem to have written this off as too much effort, pick another dm? > Thanks > Kendell clark > > > On 12/02/2015 05:15 AM, Peter Vgner wrote: >> Hello, >> >> This is turning in to a little story, so please apologize for posting a >> lot of background details. >> I am currently trying to run lightdm with lightdm GTK greeter working on >> my system. I would like to use it to either login into mate, or login >> into xfce4 or login directly into kodi. >> Lightdm appears to be only one accessible enough from the minimalist >> desktop managers I know of. >> Lightdm greeter started implementing accessibility support in a way so >> it has preferences to launch on screen keyboard, screen reader from its >> menu. The problem with this initial goal was the issue where upon >> dismissing the greeter session there was at-spi2 core bus still present >> and it was not easy to get accessibility support working inside the >> resulting user session after logging in. Here is the corresponding bug >> report https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1366534. >> While in this state I was able to hack around the fact there are lightdm >> greeter processes open after the greeter is dismissed by using >> session-setup-script and session-cleanup-script to kill these. While not >> particularly nice solution this worked pretty well. >> There were issues with other stale processes so lightdm GTK greeter now >> implements a way to run some helper apps such as at-spi2-core or applet >> indicators specific processes remembers their pid's and gracefully kills >> these when exiting. While implementing this a feature that causes more >> problem than it solves crept in unfortunately. Current versions of >> lightdm GTK greeter now set NO_AT_BRIDGE environment variable. The >> original reasoning behind this is that when lightdm greeter launches >> at-spi2 it should force ATK not to launch it again by setting >> ("NO_AT_BRIDGE", to true. The result of this is that orca is started, >> at-spi2 is started but these can't communicate to each other I guess. By >> experimenting I have found out that orca and ATK won't start another >> copy of at-spi2 core if one is already launched by lightdm so I think >> this can be removed without risking other possible issues. The >> corresponding bug report is at >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1483864 . >> So given this I hoped we might see awesome accessibility related greeter >> experience very soon but unfortunately I've found another issue and this >> time I am afraid it might have something to do with orca. >> When lightdm GTK greeter is configured with reader in its accessibility >> states it includes Screen reader menu item which allows starting orca. A >> keyboard equivalent of enabling that menu item is an F4 keyboard >> shortcut which is working as a toggle i.e. it switches screen reader to >> on or off. Under the hood lightdm GTK greeter launches orca or to be >> precise the command configured in its config file, remembers its pid and >> then kills that pid when the feature is toggled to off. >> What I have just noticed when orca receives sigterm it appears to freeze >> here. I am however only able to reproduce this when running inside a >> lightdm greeter session and when logged into xfce for example I can kill >> orca without issues. This is with orca 3.18.2 and with orca master. >> Unfortunately I can find nothing useful in the debug*.out file orca >> generates. How would I go about trying to better troubleshoot this? >> >> I do have some other possibly related questions: >> - Orca launches other helper apps such as speech-dispatcher which in >> turn may optionally also launch pulseaudio. Should these also be tracked >> in lightdm GTK greeter the same way at-spi is? >> - When lightdm is running as a systemd service and I call systemctl stop >> lightdm the greeter process is terminated however at-spi and I suspect >> the other tracked processes are still running. Is this a bug? >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From mjs@mjsmail.net Wed Dec 2 18:47:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD5F76A91 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 18:47:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MNbGMJCx5GwQ for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 18:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f52.google.com (mail-pa0-f52.google.com [209.85.220.52]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748597622D for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 18:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pacdm15 with SMTP id dm15so48067284pac.3 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 10:47:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mjsmail-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:content-type:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=iC2ivtu/kJTxuJAcrwvtjnHLOD1mJXyfddQAWHaHBUw=; b=sqfW1FgNo2RtOOqKGguGqcLuaz9Rram8C11nrtfCYDp11DCYNiStjcj4I9A9myuMwP q2MOXh2MHfc3DxdbpRqbMruV9bTrOJu0N0/LvgrGnLl9kpg6eKNft8gDqeUVNHVdg0Qm R+yQbqjh/+YO/1uUDzUwreuIsaBByoCCPqpacoPuSHmtdBoZfptTLpnm/Jm4OAJAqHx6 NeNco81HadBJhvACwtOpE+jtpzRrxk161ERX5Keb2t6ZMN+fZlVJtEK/fF9TU1/hbQ4O IbL+nrRqSTnDVjxwYUVRtf6xASBUtsyTa0cUGrqufOOJgmxGe5yKu6nowH3p2s71RQK8 Qs4Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-type:subject:message-id:date:to :mime-version; bh=iC2ivtu/kJTxuJAcrwvtjnHLOD1mJXyfddQAWHaHBUw=; b=HW4HAJmAa95fx+X5svS/znx//W8Io+4FvxvkZkk+bxWGOISJtsF3XQ8nPm0WsGBDLc F+6CQCD4GnQx4gaRqneDVZ7/RHLy4eDet2s8cil+msttmBdKS7BUavgTzesxSDBhWp+W UTCbcEC0p6XyrpCYq24atzMcnFyqOkkNyRwwKORjbTLJos17/xh7SkB/anNNeyyPJlok 2yKj975IVNd0k80IhMSzJKXBmZP75/2ClwSnAVFKd8rIk2Ots3ShNf+6KQOb4vk9coto BdNv1FHknWYp3gheaoVSTsykBkmTekkHcQ3zQo9WOEa/BfsnS3X3g5W9PCbEe5gU5Kqs occA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmLF2v7tYAcMTI1PTWoP9LsNRC57uZWr4jmr2lB1WxySVvLUEI5xc1OSiKhTtcexRlt/Uwj X-Received: by 10.66.141.41 with SMTP id rl9mr4783401pab.139.1449082044920; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 10:47:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:602:8b01:3ac0:71b6:449a:59e3:5d8f? ([2601:602:8b01:3ac0:71b6:449a:59e3:5d8f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xi8sm5831424pab.9.2015.12.02.10.47.23 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Dec 2015 10:47:24 -0800 (PST) From: Mitchell Smith Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F2EBE8CC-E7A8-41F3-B31E-BCCADE28A468" Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 10:47:23 -0800 To: orca-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) Subject: [orca-list] TTSynth and other returning user questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 18:47:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F2EBE8CC-E7A8-41F3-B31E-BCCADE28A468 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi List, I am returning to Orca after a couple of years away from it and I have a = few returning user questions. * ttsynth.com is kind of broken? A while back I = purchased a ttsynth license, and I just jumped on ttsynth.com = to grab the packages, but all the links seem kind = of broken, the page is still there but none of the links are clickable, = if I click on capital accessibility who appears to own ttsynth.com = I get a default WordPress page, have these guys = gone out of business, and if so is there an alternate download location = I can use with my existing license? * Desktop environments: so I=E2=80=99m starting with a Debian Jessie = minimal install with no desktop environment installed yet, are there any = recommendations which is the most accessible? should I stick with a = basic gnome install or go for something a bit more light weight like = XFCE? * Speech dispatcher: so obviously I want the most responsive speech = possible, is speech dispatcher still the recommended approach? * Pulseaudio is it still evil? a few years back I remember it was good = practice to kill off pulse audio, is that still best practice or should = I leave it in place, on a similar thread should I install Jack, I know = this is / was the default in Ubuntu Studio as it provided very low = latency audio. I guess I could have just installed from Ubuntu 15.10 and had a = ready-to-go desktop environment, but I use Debian everywhere else I may = as well stick with it for now. All comments / feedback / suggestions are extremely welcome, and thanks = in advance. Cheers, Mitch --Apple-Mail=_F2EBE8CC-E7A8-41F3-B31E-BCCADE28A468 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi List,

I am returning to Orca = after a couple of years away from it and I have a few returning user = questions.

* = ttsynth.com is kind = of broken? A while back I purchased a ttsynth license, and I just jumped = on ttsynth.com to = grab the packages, but all the links seem kind of broken, the page is = still there but none of the links are clickable, if I click on capital = accessibility who appears to own ttsynth.com I get a default WordPress page, have = these guys gone out of business, and if so is there an alternate = download location I can use with my existing license?

* Desktop environments: = so I=E2=80=99m starting with a Debian Jessie minimal install with no = desktop environment installed yet, are there any recommendations which = is the most accessible? should I stick with a basic gnome install or go = for something a bit more light weight like XFCE?

* Speech dispatcher: so obviously I = want the most responsive speech possible, is speech dispatcher still the = recommended approach?

* Pulseaudio is it still evil? a few years back I remember it = was good practice to kill off pulse audio, is that still best practice = or should I leave it in place, on a similar thread should I install = Jack, I know this is / was the default in Ubuntu Studio as it provided = very low latency audio.

I guess I could have just installed from Ubuntu 15.10 and had = a ready-to-go desktop environment, but I use Debian everywhere else I = may as well stick with it for now.

All comments / feedback / suggestions = are extremely welcome, and thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Mitch

= --Apple-Mail=_F2EBE8CC-E7A8-41F3-B31E-BCCADE28A468-- From burt1iband@gmail.com Wed Dec 2 20:14:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E37D768C0 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 20:14:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SnbQkoCoXzyR for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 20:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B5676847 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 20:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbbj7 with SMTP id bj7so41514700obb.1 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 12:14:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=6j/2N+NxB/n6Ji8t9C4hwZBH38gUc6O3dp5cxCcZoUE=; b=O4iA6cilS0Aoz41KRhFWNOzoFX8Dvzra0EynHsFj9S4bZxJslqStcLNxOrPpwJfqJ3 m/ex94Ot7+QBjKc/SJZLGfaKNkDR1OV5PgsULHoCQJWK9jYI5ZvvjNU+SRjpw6+2luby h+GMzuenvMa2nDKNWwQbOYQl3swsxZeuJWpKBXU4fHr0pYIsXGzf22sUFb0jHfe2hwKQ +6iUtJGxonjaqMZoUAAbeGL1HQ3SptED5geXrTzLUZrvCWT7IvagB3g3Yau0xNAmEI04 +5Hr1cTh+1OJy/aVd2wQ4KV/jiWxdU6uZOuMVssM5mDopOSlFKCpsOV3YyMw7BVkcprv qtmw== X-Received: by 10.60.227.166 with SMTP id sb6mr4454330oec.25.1449087252573; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 12:14:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.58.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l17sm1950650oib.11.2015.12.02.12.14.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Dec 2015 12:14:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 14:10:48 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: Mitchell Smith , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151202201047.GC16504@gmail.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] TTSynth and other returning user questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 20:14:13 -0000 You have to use speech dispatcher. I have never even heard of t-synth/can not help there. I would use xfce if the panels were accessible, but as they are not I do not install and sometimes use it as I once did. Mate is the best option if you want something lighter than gnome, and even if you don't need something light mate may be the best option for you. I am not saying mate is better or more accessible than gnome, but it is in the same league as gnome when it comes to usability with orca. Both mate and gnome have some accessability bugs and which of these effect and or bother you more is something you would have to find out for yourself. You can get more information about the strengths of each of these as well as their short comings reading archived posts from this list. This top;ic has been discussed at length in more than one conversation, and I think there is little new that can be said, so it would be best to search the archives and then if you still have any specific doubts or questions ask about them. Things do vary a bit between relatively recent gnome and mate versions and on different distros. You could also install them both if you are really undecided and compare. To get best performance check in your start up applications to make sure mate is not starting gnome programs it does not use. Hopefully some day somoeone will get involved with XFCE development who is knowledgeable and cares about accessability. It seems that current developers have done as much as they know how to. There have been no accessability improvements in XFCE in a couple of years, speech wise anyway. Since with Debian stable you will not have the latest version of either desktop for exact details on accessability you need to check for the versions that will be installed as things have varied from release to release. The only comparison I'll give is the most fundamental one. Mate is basically an old school menu driven environment. Gnome is more search driven, i.e. you generally type in a program's name, (or at lest the beginning of it), to launch said application. While mate is a medium lightweight desktop, gnome is not as resource hungry as one might think and can be pretty responsive on less than high end hardware, but performance will probably not be as good with the gnome version available for Jessie as it would with a later release. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Mitchell Smith wrote: Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 10:47:23AM -0800 > Hi List, > I am returning to Orca after a couple of years away from it and I have a > few returning user questions. > * [1]ttsynth.com is kind of broken? A while back I purchased a ttsynth > license, and I just jumped on [2]ttsynth.com to grab the packages, but all > the links seem kind of broken, the page is still there but none of the > links are clickable, if I click on capital accessibility who appears to > own [3]ttsynth.com I get a default WordPress page, have these guys gone > out of business, and if so is there an alternate download location I can > use with my existing license? > * Desktop environments: so I’m starting with a Debian Jessie minimal > install with no desktop environment installed yet, are there any > recommendations which is the most accessible? should I stick with a basic > gnome install or go for something a bit more light weight like XFCE? > * Speech dispatcher: so obviously I want the most responsive speech > possible, is speech dispatcher still the recommended approach? > * Pulseaudio is it still evil? a few years back I remember it was good > practice to kill off pulse audio, is that still best practice or should I > leave it in place, on a similar thread should I install Jack, I know this > is / was the default in Ubuntu Studio as it provided very low latency > audio. > I guess I could have just installed from Ubuntu 15.10 and had a > ready-to-go desktop environment, but I use Debian everywhere else I may as > well stick with it for now. > All comments / feedback / suggestions are extremely welcome, and thanks in > advance. > Cheers, > Mitch > > References > > Visible links > 1. http://ttsynth.com/ > 2. http://ttsynth.com/ > 3. http://ttsynth.com/ > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From burt1iband@gmail.com Wed Dec 2 21:58:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A389076569 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 21:58:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0PH1Nals-yF3 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 21:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f51.google.com (mail-oi0-f51.google.com [209.85.218.51]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAACC7622D for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 21:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oige206 with SMTP id e206so34613411oig.2 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 13:58:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent; bh=07nLZjZR1O7EsoAl7PBmKrcfT10zRCNDdwfv05jyEXY=; b=pWBb6LSW7d//eZyU7+/n3fVZfP3adEcUE7UPyFZycsauJGDpnuOmbs85P3Gvvw8CHX EPUaiMs65nApdh+bPw2Hhs4JdYNnRwoHI3gPvQs4cb1PwqW0gDimw7vl5ZGQYGWmsruh ZT553BwhVyqDqEKvg/QcBAuSMZ7LYZNBL+OpVJ4Ki4cw7f8wY0+KK6rK1B/M1GOjjSvL j5NGj6InyAeJ4wE6X9znU819cVD3OKSdAyG7i9xqoC7asdrUkMHiLgknUnWCk9++SA7i mtfBFSNNI1uAimON8r6H2ScME3NCNJ30Qnk/Gpp/4ElFIFROzeBH6uID+jwhoI3f2Cg2 50Kg== X-Received: by 10.202.187.6 with SMTP id l6mr4862335oif.17.1449093486632; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 13:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.58.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 133sm2145900oid.5.2015.12.02.13.58.05 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Dec 2015 13:58:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:54:41 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151202215441.GD16504@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: [orca-list] Suggestions for trouble shooting orca startup problem with my custom graphical environment X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 21:58:06 -0000 I have two questions. An answer to one of them may help me with the other I am using fluxbox on arch linux, and auto start programs with the fluxbox startup file. The GTK accessability stuff is exported in my xinitrc file and is also available in /etc/profile.d/. Question1: Orca always auto started fine, but now must use my orca --replace keyboard shortcut or similar to start orca. Once or twice it has autostarted since the problem started. This all started after I installed pulse audio which is configured to use dmix. Orca is still using alsa as do most of my applications. I suspect pulse has something to do with the problem, but I still had orca auto starting even after an orca update and restarting it and speech dispatcher. The first trouble came when I upgraded to speech-dispatcher-git, i.e. speechdispatcher 0.9 when nothing worked here. When I went back to 0.8.3 orca worked, but would no longer autostart. Question 2: I can't figure out how to get speech-dispatcher to write logs. It was set to use the default option, and I changed it to /var/log/speech-dispatcher. Log level is 3. What is the trick here? Thank you for any ideas. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 From skewmatrix@gmail.com Wed Dec 2 22:23:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21DD076569 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 22:23:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QPQSFlaTfcyc for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 22:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f43.google.com (mail-oi0-f43.google.com [209.85.218.43]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CD67622D for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 22:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oixx65 with SMTP id x65so35104241oix.0 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 14:23:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:content-type:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q3EqVnm8HI71OJKAbYIjYszIV/+AV+b1gvYoYYKY4A4=; b=uMRbDlwf87atHpx4XiKIZOWDSjOJUzVu0RqkjJUlPfLUd6BvU1pjuMqeC307+59q8z YF/OLkxb3SZEeJPpG95Qr+OQaspQ9Odtdlrlo2EkNDwWFxmk8SjznlvWjEdTRePfrFtY QUJ6IeemSGnV2C3CfTSzoTa2OXybBMiieASO8QBRnINUTjCP3oVJimrkdbXjcrgXbiJO tZ5MBHTEuDfZ2a5B+MfM8aYED2VEbpMs2H5JcAMgQPoZKnuvDHVIniRjN6zZhm/AAzC5 coMqnG7llyjpERp+apUJB6034BK7OJJiH6GxUgOwVxoeVqxmTW2icE9GfoxLQSE+PSMY JoZw== X-Received: by 10.202.242.135 with SMTP id q129mr3470563oih.106.1449095034453; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 14:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from pauldeb (c-50-134-232-242.hsd1.co.comcast.net. [50.134.232.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id k136sm2186297oib.24.2015.12.02.14.23.53 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Dec 2015 14:23:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1449095054.18124.1.camel@gmail.com> From: Paul Martz To: orca Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 15:24:14 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.9-1+b1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] Problem building at-spi devicelistener.c X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 22:23:54 -0000 Hi all. Trying to build at-spi from current source. I'm getting the following compile error for libspi/devicelistener.c: devicelistener.c:76:1: error: no previous prototype for ‘marshal_BOOLEAN__POINTER’ [-Werror=missing-prototypes] marshal_BOOLEAN__POINTER (GClosure *closure, ^ cc1: some warnings being treated as errors make: *** [devicelistener.o] Error 1 Thoughts? I'm new to the project, so perhaps there's something obvious I'm missing. -- -Paul From coffeekingms@gmail.com Wed Dec 2 22:28:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F8976569 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 22:28:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id umulJlmISx0c for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 22:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f49.google.com (mail-oi0-f49.google.com [209.85.218.49]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05ABF7622D for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2015 22:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oixx65 with SMTP id x65so35195973oix.0 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 14:28:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8nnlOfTisQfIz9jGIO5ISyAMhlD7ix0BfXZPPBh04E4=; b=Ss/5MUC0GnBnhNO1gFK3SMOpH4If0VYd1BHf8NdqK5Ols13/bldtD2qaoJbdnmf4Ly EgJt7hDmksqD4Z/zkIpgDpZ/YmaNyrxjp0cbHwYssmoB8sI6lJ3Hdr9iakEnRZgQFw4l uMZIZRkAIz4TNZsRz+6RwUGQFBH50E0qj4ITNZVQoRexMkQGZroJE5OZrlp82atURNb9 eI9WNBuSgmg/l8rq3EjdRl3IW2j7ExBibxU0ynrJ/Dd3P69F+tke+5VL9rJoK7JSzje3 xBiveYhGVPVvVix8Ep1FQaxM15cdJ6Ey8IIA6CDAwAHT3AYuJ7yX6jKX310G3nKSqyqD h8yw== X-Received: by 10.202.196.19 with SMTP id u19mr5176333oif.124.1449095334177; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 14:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id p64sm2041837oia.20.2015.12.02.14.28.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Dec 2015 14:28:53 -0800 (PST) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= , Orca-list References: <565ED2E2.3000606@gmail.com> <565F03F1.4010907@gmail.com> <565F0DEE.6080409@gmail.com> From: kendell clark Message-ID: <565F70A4.5050201@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 16:28:52 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <565F0DEE.6080409@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: pan.pav.7c5@gmail.com, Kyle Subject: Re: [orca-list] Lightdm GTK greeter accessibility revisited X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 22:28:55 -0000 hi I've never personally written a killall orca command only to have orca freeze. When that command is given, orca is killed by the kernel, and immediately. What I have noticed, and kyle backs this up in his bug report, is that once orca is started in lightdm's gtk greeter, all keyboard input never seems to reach lightdm. I can't figure out whether orca has frozen, or simply has nothing to speak. I seem to remember orca says "frame" once it is started and nothing more. You can no longer log in, kill orca, anything. Thanks Kendell clark On 12/02/2015 09:27 AM, Peter Vgner wrote: > Hello, > > As I have said the only thing problematic with lightdm vs orca usage is > the fact orca can't be killed gracefully. An ugly hack would be a script > which would trap sigterm and forcefully kill orca however I have started > this discussion so we can try to find someone who can give us some tips > on how to address it properly. > > If you don't care about starting at stopping orca on the login screen > i.e. sharing computer with sighted folks then you should be fine > tweaking it as I have explained at the bug here... > https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1483864 > > Have you ever seen a case when you wrote killall orca and orca has > frozen? Can you reproduce it, then this is something I would like to > understand better. > > Greetings > > Peter > > On 02.12.2015 at 15:45 kendell clark wrote: >> hi >> THis has been going on for quite a while now. I've been following these >> bugs because they're causing some major issues in our mate version of >> sonar. There's a catch 22. I can't include gdm because gdm pulls in lots >> of gnome, but lightdm causes issues with orca so I can't easily include >> that. But it's the only other accessible login dm. The best solution >> would be to use the unity greeter ubuntu and vinux use, but trying to >> build it in aur pulls in way too many ubuntu specific under the hood >> components, patched versions of gtk, unity libs, etc. Too much stuff to >> justify trying to get into community. I can't help you solve it but I >> wanted to publically encourage you to keep at it since the lightdm >> people seem to have written this off as too much effort, pick another dm? >> Thanks >> Kendell clark >> >> >> On 12/02/2015 05:15 AM, Peter Vgner wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> This is turning in to a little story, so please apologize for posting a >>> lot of background details. >>> I am currently trying to run lightdm with lightdm GTK greeter working on >>> my system. I would like to use it to either login into mate, or login >>> into xfce4 or login directly into kodi. >>> Lightdm appears to be only one accessible enough from the minimalist >>> desktop managers I know of. >>> Lightdm greeter started implementing accessibility support in a way so >>> it has preferences to launch on screen keyboard, screen reader from its >>> menu. The problem with this initial goal was the issue where upon >>> dismissing the greeter session there was at-spi2 core bus still present >>> and it was not easy to get accessibility support working inside the >>> resulting user session after logging in. Here is the corresponding bug >>> report https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1366534. >>> While in this state I was able to hack around the fact there are lightdm >>> greeter processes open after the greeter is dismissed by using >>> session-setup-script and session-cleanup-script to kill these. While not >>> particularly nice solution this worked pretty well. >>> There were issues with other stale processes so lightdm GTK greeter now >>> implements a way to run some helper apps such as at-spi2-core or applet >>> indicators specific processes remembers their pid's and gracefully kills >>> these when exiting. While implementing this a feature that causes more >>> problem than it solves crept in unfortunately. Current versions of >>> lightdm GTK greeter now set NO_AT_BRIDGE environment variable. The >>> original reasoning behind this is that when lightdm greeter launches >>> at-spi2 it should force ATK not to launch it again by setting >>> ("NO_AT_BRIDGE", to true. The result of this is that orca is started, >>> at-spi2 is started but these can't communicate to each other I guess. By >>> experimenting I have found out that orca and ATK won't start another >>> copy of at-spi2 core if one is already launched by lightdm so I think >>> this can be removed without risking other possible issues. The >>> corresponding bug report is at >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1483864 . >>> So given this I hoped we might see awesome accessibility related greeter >>> experience very soon but unfortunately I've found another issue and this >>> time I am afraid it might have something to do with orca. >>> When lightdm GTK greeter is configured with reader in its accessibility >>> states it includes Screen reader menu item which allows starting orca. A >>> keyboard equivalent of enabling that menu item is an F4 keyboard >>> shortcut which is working as a toggle i.e. it switches screen reader to >>> on or off. Under the hood lightdm GTK greeter launches orca or to be >>> precise the command configured in its config file, remembers its pid and >>> then kills that pid when the feature is toggled to off. >>> What I have just noticed when orca receives sigterm it appears to freeze >>> here. I am however only able to reproduce this when running inside a >>> lightdm greeter session and when logged into xfce for example I can kill >>> orca without issues. This is with orca 3.18.2 and with orca master. >>> Unfortunately I can find nothing useful in the debug*.out file orca >>> generates. How would I go about trying to better troubleshoot this? >>> >>> I do have some other possibly related questions: >>> - Orca launches other helper apps such as speech-dispatcher which in >>> turn may optionally also launch pulseaudio. Should these also be tracked >>> in lightdm GTK greeter the same way at-spi is? >>> - When lightdm is running as a systemd service and I call systemctl stop >>> lightdm the greeter process is terminated however at-spi and I suspect >>> the other tracked processes are still running. Is this a bug? >>> >>> Greetings >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From pvdeejay@gmail.com Thu Dec 3 02:22:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661B876490 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 02:22:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QAndy_kdPLDY for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 02:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f42.google.com (mail-wm0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AA1760AD for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 02:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wmww144 with SMTP id w144so3443731wmw.0 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 18:22:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0zzBHutCpzgZY/SrfX3jdEwbMHeUMbPrsLVByrD7nOw=; b=YRujtk7txPz2rgD+N88b+ffU/JNS57+lpQxA0KlO8wp0uc+fAUL91N7G6N4lBJF743 cRhk4/HT+AoHkZsl578+liQBq9WW5EJfmGIeHKFu/vIGQU49v4Hp9MoeFwj1178E8RVL 3DtdnbNaEPUnKoAdM0gfXmwgL7GQbtls6vAUbEPMO2ExlltGkfuoWIVmByKRU7sb4FpQ 2nwpJ6eP46jhcU+QZmnGgd3tZTRb311pekM3VAJlqHG6Tp90WoWENxM+tr7xUZuBfCIw 3xWXfnx+Dt2InXYRbRVrlPpcCjYB0YtWbRHLC/VwGpR5debHAuUTJ6GoY4tAo89XL+sV Gbvw== X-Received: by 10.28.234.200 with SMTP id g69mr8954159wmi.97.1449109326646; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 18:22:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.164] ([81.161.61.153]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id gj2sm5279897wjb.40.2015.12.02.18.22.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Dec 2015 18:22:05 -0800 (PST) To: kendell clark , Orca-list References: <565ED2E2.3000606@gmail.com> <565F03F1.4010907@gmail.com> <565F0DEE.6080409@gmail.com> <565F70A4.5050201@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <565FA74C.4060507@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 03:22:04 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <565F70A4.5050201@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: pan.pav.7c5@gmail.com, Kyle Subject: Re: [orca-list] Lightdm GTK greeter accessibility revisited X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 02:22:08 -0000 Hello, I am sorry you are most likelly missunderstanding me. Please try downloading my PKGBUILD from http://files.pvagner.tk/lightdm-gtk-greeter.tar.gz and please build it as normal. Then make sure you do have screen reader configured and enabled in /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf i.e. it contains something similar to this effect [greeter] reader=orca a11y-states=reader Of course it may contain more accessibility related and other preferences you like. Then start it sudo systemctl start lightdm and finally test that it really does work with my one line tweak I am proposing in one of the comments to the Kyle's bug. However there is a new issue I am seeking to get some help with. When the greeter is showing, orca is running you do have nice accessible greeter session. When you try to switch off screen reader at this point either by hitting F4 or from the menu bar you will notice orca freezing. In fact you can even see it freezing when doing sudo killal orca instead of using lightdm greeter feature to close it. Regarding sig term vs sig kill debate I have found a blogpost explaining the differences at https://major.io/2010/03/18/sigterm-vs-sigkill/ When looking into orca source code I can see a method which is called when orca receives SIGTERM. It's shutdownOnSignal found at line 709 in the file src/orca/orca.py . The very first thing orca does here is that it should print a message saying 'ORCA: Shutting down and exiting due to signal=%d' into its debug file. I haven't found this in the log thus I think python is crashing here or something similar. Greetings Peter On 02.12.2015 at 23:28 kendell clark wrote: > hi > I've never personally written a killall orca command only to have orca > freeze. When that command is given, orca is killed by the kernel, and > immediately. What I have noticed, and kyle backs this up in his bug > report, is that once orca is started in lightdm's gtk greeter, all > keyboard input never seems to reach lightdm. I can't figure out whether > orca has frozen, or simply has nothing to speak. I seem to remember orca > says "frame" once it is started and nothing more. You can no longer log > in, kill orca, anything. > Thanks > Kendell clark > > > On 12/02/2015 09:27 AM, Peter Vágner wrote: >> Hello, >> >> As I have said the only thing problematic with lightdm vs orca usage is >> the fact orca can't be killed gracefully. An ugly hack would be a script >> which would trap sigterm and forcefully kill orca however I have started >> this discussion so we can try to find someone who can give us some tips >> on how to address it properly. >> >> If you don't care about starting at stopping orca on the login screen >> i.e. sharing computer with sighted folks then you should be fine >> tweaking it as I have explained at the bug here... >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1483864 >> >> Have you ever seen a case when you wrote killall orca and orca has >> frozen? Can you reproduce it, then this is something I would like to >> understand better. >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> On 02.12.2015 at 15:45 kendell clark wrote: >>> hi >>> THis has been going on for quite a while now. I've been following these >>> bugs because they're causing some major issues in our mate version of >>> sonar. There's a catch 22. I can't include gdm because gdm pulls in lots >>> of gnome, but lightdm causes issues with orca so I can't easily include >>> that. But it's the only other accessible login dm. The best solution >>> would be to use the unity greeter ubuntu and vinux use, but trying to >>> build it in aur pulls in way too many ubuntu specific under the hood >>> components, patched versions of gtk, unity libs, etc. Too much stuff to >>> justify trying to get into community. I can't help you solve it but I >>> wanted to publically encourage you to keep at it since the lightdm >>> people seem to have written this off as too much effort, pick another dm? >>> Thanks >>> Kendell clark >>> >>> >>> On 12/02/2015 05:15 AM, Peter Vágner wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> This is turning in to a little story, so please apologize for posting a >>>> lot of background details. >>>> I am currently trying to run lightdm with lightdm GTK greeter working on >>>> my system. I would like to use it to either login into mate, or login >>>> into xfce4 or login directly into kodi. >>>> Lightdm appears to be only one accessible enough from the minimalist >>>> desktop managers I know of. >>>> Lightdm greeter started implementing accessibility support in a way so >>>> it has preferences to launch on screen keyboard, screen reader from its >>>> menu. The problem with this initial goal was the issue where upon >>>> dismissing the greeter session there was at-spi2 core bus still present >>>> and it was not easy to get accessibility support working inside the >>>> resulting user session after logging in. Here is the corresponding bug >>>> report https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1366534. >>>> While in this state I was able to hack around the fact there are lightdm >>>> greeter processes open after the greeter is dismissed by using >>>> session-setup-script and session-cleanup-script to kill these. While not >>>> particularly nice solution this worked pretty well. >>>> There were issues with other stale processes so lightdm GTK greeter now >>>> implements a way to run some helper apps such as at-spi2-core or applet >>>> indicators specific processes remembers their pid's and gracefully kills >>>> these when exiting. While implementing this a feature that causes more >>>> problem than it solves crept in unfortunately. Current versions of >>>> lightdm GTK greeter now set NO_AT_BRIDGE environment variable. The >>>> original reasoning behind this is that when lightdm greeter launches >>>> at-spi2 it should force ATK not to launch it again by setting >>>> ("NO_AT_BRIDGE", to true. The result of this is that orca is started, >>>> at-spi2 is started but these can't communicate to each other I guess. By >>>> experimenting I have found out that orca and ATK won't start another >>>> copy of at-spi2 core if one is already launched by lightdm so I think >>>> this can be removed without risking other possible issues. The >>>> corresponding bug report is at >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1483864 . >>>> So given this I hoped we might see awesome accessibility related greeter >>>> experience very soon but unfortunately I've found another issue and this >>>> time I am afraid it might have something to do with orca. >>>> When lightdm GTK greeter is configured with reader in its accessibility >>>> states it includes Screen reader menu item which allows starting orca. A >>>> keyboard equivalent of enabling that menu item is an F4 keyboard >>>> shortcut which is working as a toggle i.e. it switches screen reader to >>>> on or off. Under the hood lightdm GTK greeter launches orca or to be >>>> precise the command configured in its config file, remembers its pid and >>>> then kills that pid when the feature is toggled to off. >>>> What I have just noticed when orca receives sigterm it appears to freeze >>>> here. I am however only able to reproduce this when running inside a >>>> lightdm greeter session and when logged into xfce for example I can kill >>>> orca without issues. This is with orca 3.18.2 and with orca master. >>>> Unfortunately I can find nothing useful in the debug*.out file orca >>>> generates. How would I go about trying to better troubleshoot this? >>>> >>>> I do have some other possibly related questions: >>>> - Orca launches other helper apps such as speech-dispatcher which in >>>> turn may optionally also launch pulseaudio. Should these also be tracked >>>> in lightdm GTK greeter the same way at-spi is? >>>> - When lightdm is running as a systemd service and I call systemctl stop >>>> lightdm the greeter process is terminated however at-spi and I suspect >>>> the other tracked processes are still running. Is this a bug? >>>> >>>> Greetings >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From coffeekingms@gmail.com Thu Dec 3 02:41:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB7C76490 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 02:41:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FItmVdvr6Tjm for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 02:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BABB763ED for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 02:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbnk6 with SMTP id nk6so47192365obb.2 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 18:41:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BJTXqcB1JUqnthXgbJmV9Nhderc5LzjFQSjYJuK7xv0=; b=H6Z3n7pPN2WNVXy/4/rtdYZ6xoqS9qc+NDMNtunYbPqZSz1okV9Y6eMuCdCsGtcVQk 5PCi3xSTwm6nngTKPLN4eHnkMMJlB7dU6L5Xu/SP4sfZIl8YhOhaINmfc+5Jp66TJyE1 rRJezbAlCiVS7Ch+fr5p+3cjwap5sFokbvs7+I6GtAuKQqo5eG8y/bpvgYUTF5vEVQvY 5P3wGKfQ/ziAw8QANwKbRd3j8zs2jjIDd+zlb6b76Fh44pyB/NW1j8ojVCrVF6ToGdMD R0zsGhTv+1Nkf4o6Ud1KT1IAK3DWL97rPMSTozBtcd9GqrezGVtscuLQWA9/+l+XpB89 mO3g== X-Received: by 10.182.142.170 with SMTP id rx10mr4616066obb.34.1449110516784; Wed, 02 Dec 2015 18:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id p3sm2573633oei.9.2015.12.02.18.41.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Dec 2015 18:41:56 -0800 (PST) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= , Orca-list References: <565ED2E2.3000606@gmail.com> <565F03F1.4010907@gmail.com> <565F0DEE.6080409@gmail.com> <565F70A4.5050201@gmail.com> <565FA74C.4060507@gmail.com> From: kendell clark Message-ID: <565FABF3.7090101@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 20:41:55 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <565FA74C.4060507@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: pan.pav.7c5@gmail.com, Kyle Subject: Re: [orca-list] Lightdm GTK greeter accessibility revisited X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 02:41:57 -0000 hi Got it. I'll indeed download your pkgbuild. Congrats for looking into this, you got a great deal further than either kyle or I did, I'd pretty much given it up as a lost cause. Since you have done this, I'm determined to get this fixed. Joanie, would you be willing to look into this if we can figure out what's going on with orca, if it is indeed orca? Thanks Kendell clark On 12/02/2015 08:22 PM, Peter Vágner wrote: > Hello, > > I am sorry you are most likelly missunderstanding me. > > Please try downloading my PKGBUILD from > http://files.pvagner.tk/lightdm-gtk-greeter.tar.gz and please build it > as normal. > > Then make sure you do have screen reader configured and enabled in > /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf > i.e. it contains something similar to this effect > > [greeter] > reader=orca > a11y-states=reader > > Of course it may contain more accessibility related and other > preferences you like. > > Then start it > sudo systemctl start lightdm > > and finally test that it really does work with my one line tweak I am > proposing in one of the comments to the Kyle's bug. > > However there is a new issue I am seeking to get some help with. When > the greeter is showing, orca is running you do have nice accessible > greeter session. > When you try to switch off screen reader at this point either by hitting > F4 or from the menu bar you will notice orca freezing. > In fact you can even see it freezing when doing > sudo killal orca > instead of using lightdm greeter feature to close it. > > Regarding sig term vs sig kill debate I have found a blogpost explaining > the differences at https://major.io/2010/03/18/sigterm-vs-sigkill/ > > When looking into orca source code I can see a method which is called > when orca receives SIGTERM. It's shutdownOnSignal found at line 709 in > the file src/orca/orca.py . The very first thing orca does here is that > it should print a message saying 'ORCA: Shutting down and exiting due to > signal=%d' into its debug file. I haven't found this in the log thus I > think python is crashing here or something similar. > > > > Greetings > > Peter > > > On 02.12.2015 at 23:28 kendell clark wrote: >> hi >> I've never personally written a killall orca command only to have orca >> freeze. When that command is given, orca is killed by the kernel, and >> immediately. What I have noticed, and kyle backs this up in his bug >> report, is that once orca is started in lightdm's gtk greeter, all >> keyboard input never seems to reach lightdm. I can't figure out whether >> orca has frozen, or simply has nothing to speak. I seem to remember orca >> says "frame" once it is started and nothing more. You can no longer log >> in, kill orca, anything. >> Thanks >> Kendell clark >> >> >> On 12/02/2015 09:27 AM, Peter Vágner wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> As I have said the only thing problematic with lightdm vs orca usage is >>> the fact orca can't be killed gracefully. An ugly hack would be a script >>> which would trap sigterm and forcefully kill orca however I have started >>> this discussion so we can try to find someone who can give us some tips >>> on how to address it properly. >>> >>> If you don't care about starting at stopping orca on the login screen >>> i.e. sharing computer with sighted folks then you should be fine >>> tweaking it as I have explained at the bug here... >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1483864 >>> >>> Have you ever seen a case when you wrote killall orca and orca has >>> frozen? Can you reproduce it, then this is something I would like to >>> understand better. >>> >>> Greetings >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> On 02.12.2015 at 15:45 kendell clark wrote: >>>> hi >>>> THis has been going on for quite a while now. I've been following these >>>> bugs because they're causing some major issues in our mate version of >>>> sonar. There's a catch 22. I can't include gdm because gdm pulls in >>>> lots >>>> of gnome, but lightdm causes issues with orca so I can't easily include >>>> that. But it's the only other accessible login dm. The best solution >>>> would be to use the unity greeter ubuntu and vinux use, but trying to >>>> build it in aur pulls in way too many ubuntu specific under the hood >>>> components, patched versions of gtk, unity libs, etc. Too much stuff to >>>> justify trying to get into community. I can't help you solve it but I >>>> wanted to publically encourage you to keep at it since the lightdm >>>> people seem to have written this off as too much effort, pick >>>> another dm? >>>> Thanks >>>> Kendell clark >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/02/2015 05:15 AM, Peter Vágner wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> This is turning in to a little story, so please apologize for >>>>> posting a >>>>> lot of background details. >>>>> I am currently trying to run lightdm with lightdm GTK greeter >>>>> working on >>>>> my system. I would like to use it to either login into mate, or login >>>>> into xfce4 or login directly into kodi. >>>>> Lightdm appears to be only one accessible enough from the minimalist >>>>> desktop managers I know of. >>>>> Lightdm greeter started implementing accessibility support in a way so >>>>> it has preferences to launch on screen keyboard, screen reader from >>>>> its >>>>> menu. The problem with this initial goal was the issue where upon >>>>> dismissing the greeter session there was at-spi2 core bus still >>>>> present >>>>> and it was not easy to get accessibility support working inside the >>>>> resulting user session after logging in. Here is the corresponding bug >>>>> report https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1366534. >>>>> While in this state I was able to hack around the fact there are >>>>> lightdm >>>>> greeter processes open after the greeter is dismissed by using >>>>> session-setup-script and session-cleanup-script to kill these. >>>>> While not >>>>> particularly nice solution this worked pretty well. >>>>> There were issues with other stale processes so lightdm GTK greeter >>>>> now >>>>> implements a way to run some helper apps such as at-spi2-core or >>>>> applet >>>>> indicators specific processes remembers their pid's and gracefully >>>>> kills >>>>> these when exiting. While implementing this a feature that causes more >>>>> problem than it solves crept in unfortunately. Current versions of >>>>> lightdm GTK greeter now set NO_AT_BRIDGE environment variable. The >>>>> original reasoning behind this is that when lightdm greeter launches >>>>> at-spi2 it should force ATK not to launch it again by setting >>>>> ("NO_AT_BRIDGE", to true. The result of this is that orca is started, >>>>> at-spi2 is started but these can't communicate to each other I >>>>> guess. By >>>>> experimenting I have found out that orca and ATK won't start another >>>>> copy of at-spi2 core if one is already launched by lightdm so I think >>>>> this can be removed without risking other possible issues. The >>>>> corresponding bug report is at >>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1483864 . >>>>> So given this I hoped we might see awesome accessibility related >>>>> greeter >>>>> experience very soon but unfortunately I've found another issue and >>>>> this >>>>> time I am afraid it might have something to do with orca. >>>>> When lightdm GTK greeter is configured with reader in its >>>>> accessibility >>>>> states it includes Screen reader menu item which allows starting >>>>> orca. A >>>>> keyboard equivalent of enabling that menu item is an F4 keyboard >>>>> shortcut which is working as a toggle i.e. it switches screen >>>>> reader to >>>>> on or off. Under the hood lightdm GTK greeter launches orca or to be >>>>> precise the command configured in its config file, remembers its >>>>> pid and >>>>> then kills that pid when the feature is toggled to off. >>>>> What I have just noticed when orca receives sigterm it appears to >>>>> freeze >>>>> here. I am however only able to reproduce this when running inside a >>>>> lightdm greeter session and when logged into xfce for example I can >>>>> kill >>>>> orca without issues. This is with orca 3.18.2 and with orca master. >>>>> Unfortunately I can find nothing useful in the debug*.out file orca >>>>> generates. How would I go about trying to better troubleshoot this? >>>>> >>>>> I do have some other possibly related questions: >>>>> - Orca launches other helper apps such as speech-dispatcher which in >>>>> turn may optionally also launch pulseaudio. Should these also be >>>>> tracked >>>>> in lightdm GTK greeter the same way at-spi is? >>>>> - When lightdm is running as a systemd service and I call systemctl >>>>> stop >>>>> lightdm the greeter process is terminated however at-spi and I suspect >>>>> the other tracked processes are still running. Is this a bug? >>>>> >>>>> Greetings >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From pvdeejay@gmail.com Thu Dec 3 10:06:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A935076983 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 10:06:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W0dPtnrf_Y09 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 10:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f53.google.com (mail-wm0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC4D768C3 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 10:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wmvv187 with SMTP id v187so18963458wmv.1 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 02:06:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MEGw12pGWe3wlVw8IjrwXUqsUrDx+b0ctjzu0z/VnIk=; b=au5tifVFbBs5j6jDTc7o2+2smOJBiijH0d2eAKNsZPdV3UHeYGi3+RV5b73Lmx8IEf 66WTdLWknQkYfd1+V3kVXpvCcar1DZ4I7BGdR0ajCzeCSmDr0tmy6y7BJErsygc0GvAz LlSdY77g/1wKJC1XJ2FsiDZxMw/V0/vkztUTwagfMvBkXhPKWg2CwPHkCsyG1yFTOl4c V1iFOWBKtnW8jtb52A+fHs/qiouXm0cHOv3LFgHTtLXkIBoaS3GhrGOHvAFzQ9uqZwUf aKzFlDk0RM3hKm8bc/pIifmZMhqeI+3SrCrP+uFDtwXlPqLqqaiX3KoBBRP30twA57uu UdPQ== X-Received: by 10.194.220.233 with SMTP id pz9mr11018781wjc.95.1449137164964; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 02:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] (ab3.webra.bb.cust.gts.sk. [62.168.109.195]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id z1sm6742514wje.35.2015.12.03.02.06.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 Dec 2015 02:06:03 -0800 (PST) To: kendell clark , Orca-list References: <565ED2E2.3000606@gmail.com> <565F03F1.4010907@gmail.com> <565F0DEE.6080409@gmail.com> <565F70A4.5050201@gmail.com> <565FA74C.4060507@gmail.com> <565FABF3.7090101@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <5660140B.3060101@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 11:06:03 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <565FABF3.7090101@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: pan.pav.7c5@gmail.com, Kyle Subject: Re: [orca-list] Lightdm GTK greeter accessibility revisited X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 10:06:08 -0000 Hello, Please rebuild from the same url if you are still free for testing http://files.pvagner.tk/lightdm-gtk-greeter.tar.gz I guess I've managed to make it work as we wish it to. I assume processes started using g_spawn_async are better terminated using g_spawn_close_pid rather than using plain waitpid. Anyway I know nothing about all these libraries and their functions I have just been tinkering with lightdm until it started to work for me. What I did is inspired by the code I've seen when looking at the revision diffs. Please test if you like. If it's confirmed as working, I'll post the patch to the bug report Kyle has filed a while ago. The patch is very simple and it cleanly applies to both latest stable version as well as to the latest code found in the bzr trunk. P.S. It's now also clear It's confirmed the issue is not in orca. Greetings Peter On 03.12.2015 at 03:41 kendell clark wrote: > hi > Got it. I'll indeed download your pkgbuild. Congrats for looking into > this, you got a great deal further than either kyle or I did, I'd pretty > much given it up as a lost cause. Since you have done this, I'm > determined to get this fixed. Joanie, would you be willing to look into > this if we can figure out what's going on with orca, if it is indeed orca? > Thanks > Kendell clark > > > On 12/02/2015 08:22 PM, Peter Vágner wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am sorry you are most likelly missunderstanding me. >> >> Please try downloading my PKGBUILD from >> http://files.pvagner.tk/lightdm-gtk-greeter.tar.gz and please build it >> as normal. >> >> Then make sure you do have screen reader configured and enabled in >> /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf >> i.e. it contains something similar to this effect >> >> [greeter] >> reader=orca >> a11y-states=reader >> >> Of course it may contain more accessibility related and other >> preferences you like. >> >> Then start it >> sudo systemctl start lightdm >> >> and finally test that it really does work with my one line tweak I am >> proposing in one of the comments to the Kyle's bug. >> >> However there is a new issue I am seeking to get some help with. When >> the greeter is showing, orca is running you do have nice accessible >> greeter session. >> When you try to switch off screen reader at this point either by hitting >> F4 or from the menu bar you will notice orca freezing. >> In fact you can even see it freezing when doing >> sudo killal orca >> instead of using lightdm greeter feature to close it. >> >> Regarding sig term vs sig kill debate I have found a blogpost explaining >> the differences at https://major.io/2010/03/18/sigterm-vs-sigkill/ >> >> When looking into orca source code I can see a method which is called >> when orca receives SIGTERM. It's shutdownOnSignal found at line 709 in >> the file src/orca/orca.py . The very first thing orca does here is that >> it should print a message saying 'ORCA: Shutting down and exiting due to >> signal=%d' into its debug file. I haven't found this in the log thus I >> think python is crashing here or something similar. >> >> >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> >> On 02.12.2015 at 23:28 kendell clark wrote: >>> hi >>> I've never personally written a killall orca command only to have orca >>> freeze. When that command is given, orca is killed by the kernel, and >>> immediately. What I have noticed, and kyle backs this up in his bug >>> report, is that once orca is started in lightdm's gtk greeter, all >>> keyboard input never seems to reach lightdm. I can't figure out whether >>> orca has frozen, or simply has nothing to speak. I seem to remember orca >>> says "frame" once it is started and nothing more. You can no longer log >>> in, kill orca, anything. >>> Thanks >>> Kendell clark >>> >>> >>> On 12/02/2015 09:27 AM, Peter Vágner wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> As I have said the only thing problematic with lightdm vs orca usage is >>>> the fact orca can't be killed gracefully. An ugly hack would be a script >>>> which would trap sigterm and forcefully kill orca however I have started >>>> this discussion so we can try to find someone who can give us some tips >>>> on how to address it properly. >>>> >>>> If you don't care about starting at stopping orca on the login screen >>>> i.e. sharing computer with sighted folks then you should be fine >>>> tweaking it as I have explained at the bug here... >>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1483864 >>>> >>>> Have you ever seen a case when you wrote killall orca and orca has >>>> frozen? Can you reproduce it, then this is something I would like to >>>> understand better. >>>> >>>> Greetings >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> On 02.12.2015 at 15:45 kendell clark wrote: >>>>> hi >>>>> THis has been going on for quite a while now. I've been following these >>>>> bugs because they're causing some major issues in our mate version of >>>>> sonar. There's a catch 22. I can't include gdm because gdm pulls in >>>>> lots >>>>> of gnome, but lightdm causes issues with orca so I can't easily include >>>>> that. But it's the only other accessible login dm. The best solution >>>>> would be to use the unity greeter ubuntu and vinux use, but trying to >>>>> build it in aur pulls in way too many ubuntu specific under the hood >>>>> components, patched versions of gtk, unity libs, etc. Too much stuff to >>>>> justify trying to get into community. I can't help you solve it but I >>>>> wanted to publically encourage you to keep at it since the lightdm >>>>> people seem to have written this off as too much effort, pick >>>>> another dm? >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Kendell clark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/02/2015 05:15 AM, Peter Vágner wrote: >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> This is turning in to a little story, so please apologize for >>>>>> posting a >>>>>> lot of background details. >>>>>> I am currently trying to run lightdm with lightdm GTK greeter >>>>>> working on >>>>>> my system. I would like to use it to either login into mate, or login >>>>>> into xfce4 or login directly into kodi. >>>>>> Lightdm appears to be only one accessible enough from the minimalist >>>>>> desktop managers I know of. >>>>>> Lightdm greeter started implementing accessibility support in a way so >>>>>> it has preferences to launch on screen keyboard, screen reader from >>>>>> its >>>>>> menu. The problem with this initial goal was the issue where upon >>>>>> dismissing the greeter session there was at-spi2 core bus still >>>>>> present >>>>>> and it was not easy to get accessibility support working inside the >>>>>> resulting user session after logging in. Here is the corresponding bug >>>>>> report https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1366534. >>>>>> While in this state I was able to hack around the fact there are >>>>>> lightdm >>>>>> greeter processes open after the greeter is dismissed by using >>>>>> session-setup-script and session-cleanup-script to kill these. >>>>>> While not >>>>>> particularly nice solution this worked pretty well. >>>>>> There were issues with other stale processes so lightdm GTK greeter >>>>>> now >>>>>> implements a way to run some helper apps such as at-spi2-core or >>>>>> applet >>>>>> indicators specific processes remembers their pid's and gracefully >>>>>> kills >>>>>> these when exiting. While implementing this a feature that causes more >>>>>> problem than it solves crept in unfortunately. Current versions of >>>>>> lightdm GTK greeter now set NO_AT_BRIDGE environment variable. The >>>>>> original reasoning behind this is that when lightdm greeter launches >>>>>> at-spi2 it should force ATK not to launch it again by setting >>>>>> ("NO_AT_BRIDGE", to true. The result of this is that orca is started, >>>>>> at-spi2 is started but these can't communicate to each other I >>>>>> guess. By >>>>>> experimenting I have found out that orca and ATK won't start another >>>>>> copy of at-spi2 core if one is already launched by lightdm so I think >>>>>> this can be removed without risking other possible issues. The >>>>>> corresponding bug report is at >>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1483864 . >>>>>> So given this I hoped we might see awesome accessibility related >>>>>> greeter >>>>>> experience very soon but unfortunately I've found another issue and >>>>>> this >>>>>> time I am afraid it might have something to do with orca. >>>>>> When lightdm GTK greeter is configured with reader in its >>>>>> accessibility >>>>>> states it includes Screen reader menu item which allows starting >>>>>> orca. A >>>>>> keyboard equivalent of enabling that menu item is an F4 keyboard >>>>>> shortcut which is working as a toggle i.e. it switches screen >>>>>> reader to >>>>>> on or off. Under the hood lightdm GTK greeter launches orca or to be >>>>>> precise the command configured in its config file, remembers its >>>>>> pid and >>>>>> then kills that pid when the feature is toggled to off. >>>>>> What I have just noticed when orca receives sigterm it appears to >>>>>> freeze >>>>>> here. I am however only able to reproduce this when running inside a >>>>>> lightdm greeter session and when logged into xfce for example I can >>>>>> kill >>>>>> orca without issues. This is with orca 3.18.2 and with orca master. >>>>>> Unfortunately I can find nothing useful in the debug*.out file orca >>>>>> generates. How would I go about trying to better troubleshoot this? >>>>>> >>>>>> I do have some other possibly related questions: >>>>>> - Orca launches other helper apps such as speech-dispatcher which in >>>>>> turn may optionally also launch pulseaudio. Should these also be >>>>>> tracked >>>>>> in lightdm GTK greeter the same way at-spi is? >>>>>> - When lightdm is running as a systemd service and I call systemctl >>>>>> stop >>>>>> lightdm the greeter process is terminated however at-spi and I suspect >>>>>> the other tracked processes are still running. Is this a bug? >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From coffeekingms@gmail.com Thu Dec 3 13:00:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D1776908 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:00:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CObX0iy6X1hx for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B91768B9 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbnk6 with SMTP id nk6so52201478obb.2 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 05:00:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=htmOJylSrdl7XLcRy2E8zClsiACqwEkGNOaGXv3k1HA=; b=kWeW9c3Czg5FB7lm2VRjacfCHSvKqN6Ydn5SjnqkbY0TQ50TPSfCKGXetDt25lD42o IK87Oyyr5oQKOwOmZvoqNqvzUuvt53mBGVnp+Cpf5Ukfv9F297taZfnUqncbnLgviS+O UOR5azmR2bOghKKo9iYdOM48cZbtZgN3lFRqXs0nkVILbuos6yHSRoOur+WkB1vutGKa wJ6k4fzxrcMtKz4HpE0JEFmvjcTfJ9JMrLcbYnXwKFPcAI2hpevsLch0KNtDkbaDv2Jd Yb0Q4GIhBTRrsSTID1cCvSDBJVocLCRpCjBtysOhW3PVY5d/9zvNWaLJUsdC4eUWkbD1 dZ7A== X-Received: by 10.60.92.138 with SMTP id cm10mr7238460oeb.64.1449147647528; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 05:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (74-196-119-242.mnolcmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net. [74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id ry9sm3378027oec.17.2015.12.03.05.00.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 Dec 2015 05:00:46 -0800 (PST) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= , Orca-list References: <565ED2E2.3000606@gmail.com> <565F03F1.4010907@gmail.com> <565F0DEE.6080409@gmail.com> <565F70A4.5050201@gmail.com> <565FA74C.4060507@gmail.com> <565FABF3.7090101@gmail.com> <5660140B.3060101@gmail.com> From: kendell clark Message-ID: <56603CFD.4020101@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 07:00:45 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5660140B.3060101@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: pan.pav.7c5@gmail.com, Kyle Subject: Re: [orca-list] Lightdm GTK greeter accessibility revisited X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 13:00:49 -0000 hi This is genious. It's fixed it. I'm submitting this to manjaro so they can temporarily replace their version of the gtk lightdm greeter until this gets murged upstream. Fantastic work. I'm not ashamed to say I would have never figured this out Thanks Kendell clark On 12/03/2015 04:06 AM, Peter Vágner wrote: > Hello, > > Please rebuild from the same url if you are still free for testing > http://files.pvagner.tk/lightdm-gtk-greeter.tar.gz > > I guess I've managed to make it work as we wish it to. > > I assume processes started using g_spawn_async are better terminated > using g_spawn_close_pid rather than using plain waitpid. Anyway I know > nothing about all these libraries and their functions I have just been > tinkering with lightdm until it started to work for me. What I did is > inspired by the code I've seen when looking at the revision diffs. > Please test if you like. If it's confirmed as working, I'll post the > patch to the bug report Kyle has filed a while ago. The patch is very > simple and it cleanly applies to both latest stable version as well as > to the latest code found in the bzr trunk. > > P.S. It's now also clear It's confirmed the issue is not in orca. > > Greetings > > Peter > > On 03.12.2015 at 03:41 kendell clark wrote: >> hi >> Got it. I'll indeed download your pkgbuild. Congrats for looking into >> this, you got a great deal further than either kyle or I did, I'd pretty >> much given it up as a lost cause. Since you have done this, I'm >> determined to get this fixed. Joanie, would you be willing to look into >> this if we can figure out what's going on with orca, if it is indeed >> orca? >> Thanks >> Kendell clark >> >> >> On 12/02/2015 08:22 PM, Peter Vágner wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am sorry you are most likelly missunderstanding me. >>> >>> Please try downloading my PKGBUILD from >>> http://files.pvagner.tk/lightdm-gtk-greeter.tar.gz and please build it >>> as normal. >>> >>> Then make sure you do have screen reader configured and enabled in >>> /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf >>> i.e. it contains something similar to this effect >>> >>> [greeter] >>> reader=orca >>> a11y-states=reader >>> >>> Of course it may contain more accessibility related and other >>> preferences you like. >>> >>> Then start it >>> sudo systemctl start lightdm >>> >>> and finally test that it really does work with my one line tweak I am >>> proposing in one of the comments to the Kyle's bug. >>> >>> However there is a new issue I am seeking to get some help with. When >>> the greeter is showing, orca is running you do have nice accessible >>> greeter session. >>> When you try to switch off screen reader at this point either by hitting >>> F4 or from the menu bar you will notice orca freezing. >>> In fact you can even see it freezing when doing >>> sudo killal orca >>> instead of using lightdm greeter feature to close it. >>> >>> Regarding sig term vs sig kill debate I have found a blogpost explaining >>> the differences at https://major.io/2010/03/18/sigterm-vs-sigkill/ >>> >>> When looking into orca source code I can see a method which is called >>> when orca receives SIGTERM. It's shutdownOnSignal found at line 709 in >>> the file src/orca/orca.py . The very first thing orca does here is that >>> it should print a message saying 'ORCA: Shutting down and exiting due to >>> signal=%d' into its debug file. I haven't found this in the log thus I >>> think python is crashing here or something similar. >>> >>> >>> >>> Greetings >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> On 02.12.2015 at 23:28 kendell clark wrote: >>>> hi >>>> I've never personally written a killall orca command only to have orca >>>> freeze. When that command is given, orca is killed by the kernel, and >>>> immediately. What I have noticed, and kyle backs this up in his bug >>>> report, is that once orca is started in lightdm's gtk greeter, all >>>> keyboard input never seems to reach lightdm. I can't figure out whether >>>> orca has frozen, or simply has nothing to speak. I seem to remember >>>> orca >>>> says "frame" once it is started and nothing more. You can no longer log >>>> in, kill orca, anything. >>>> Thanks >>>> Kendell clark >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/02/2015 09:27 AM, Peter Vágner wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> As I have said the only thing problematic with lightdm vs orca >>>>> usage is >>>>> the fact orca can't be killed gracefully. An ugly hack would be a >>>>> script >>>>> which would trap sigterm and forcefully kill orca however I have >>>>> started >>>>> this discussion so we can try to find someone who can give us some >>>>> tips >>>>> on how to address it properly. >>>>> >>>>> If you don't care about starting at stopping orca on the login screen >>>>> i.e. sharing computer with sighted folks then you should be fine >>>>> tweaking it as I have explained at the bug here... >>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1483864 >>>>> >>>>> Have you ever seen a case when you wrote killall orca and orca has >>>>> frozen? Can you reproduce it, then this is something I would like to >>>>> understand better. >>>>> >>>>> Greetings >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> On 02.12.2015 at 15:45 kendell clark wrote: >>>>>> hi >>>>>> THis has been going on for quite a while now. I've been following >>>>>> these >>>>>> bugs because they're causing some major issues in our mate >>>>>> version of >>>>>> sonar. There's a catch 22. I can't include gdm because gdm pulls in >>>>>> lots >>>>>> of gnome, but lightdm causes issues with orca so I can't easily >>>>>> include >>>>>> that. But it's the only other accessible login dm. The best solution >>>>>> would be to use the unity greeter ubuntu and vinux use, but trying to >>>>>> build it in aur pulls in way too many ubuntu specific under the hood >>>>>> components, patched versions of gtk, unity libs, etc. Too much >>>>>> stuff to >>>>>> justify trying to get into community. I can't help you solve it but I >>>>>> wanted to publically encourage you to keep at it since the lightdm >>>>>> people seem to have written this off as too much effort, pick >>>>>> another dm? >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Kendell clark >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/02/2015 05:15 AM, Peter Vágner wrote: >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is turning in to a little story, so please apologize for >>>>>>> posting a >>>>>>> lot of background details. >>>>>>> I am currently trying to run lightdm with lightdm GTK greeter >>>>>>> working on >>>>>>> my system. I would like to use it to either login into mate, or >>>>>>> login >>>>>>> into xfce4 or login directly into kodi. >>>>>>> Lightdm appears to be only one accessible enough from the minimalist >>>>>>> desktop managers I know of. >>>>>>> Lightdm greeter started implementing accessibility support in a >>>>>>> way so >>>>>>> it has preferences to launch on screen keyboard, screen reader from >>>>>>> its >>>>>>> menu. The problem with this initial goal was the issue where upon >>>>>>> dismissing the greeter session there was at-spi2 core bus still >>>>>>> present >>>>>>> and it was not easy to get accessibility support working inside the >>>>>>> resulting user session after logging in. Here is the >>>>>>> corresponding bug >>>>>>> report https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1366534. >>>>>>> While in this state I was able to hack around the fact there are >>>>>>> lightdm >>>>>>> greeter processes open after the greeter is dismissed by using >>>>>>> session-setup-script and session-cleanup-script to kill these. >>>>>>> While not >>>>>>> particularly nice solution this worked pretty well. >>>>>>> There were issues with other stale processes so lightdm GTK greeter >>>>>>> now >>>>>>> implements a way to run some helper apps such as at-spi2-core or >>>>>>> applet >>>>>>> indicators specific processes remembers their pid's and gracefully >>>>>>> kills >>>>>>> these when exiting. While implementing this a feature that causes >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> problem than it solves crept in unfortunately. Current versions of >>>>>>> lightdm GTK greeter now set NO_AT_BRIDGE environment variable. The >>>>>>> original reasoning behind this is that when lightdm greeter launches >>>>>>> at-spi2 it should force ATK not to launch it again by setting >>>>>>> ("NO_AT_BRIDGE", to true. The result of this is that orca is >>>>>>> started, >>>>>>> at-spi2 is started but these can't communicate to each other I >>>>>>> guess. By >>>>>>> experimenting I have found out that orca and ATK won't start another >>>>>>> copy of at-spi2 core if one is already launched by lightdm so I >>>>>>> think >>>>>>> this can be removed without risking other possible issues. The >>>>>>> corresponding bug report is at >>>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1483864 . >>>>>>> So given this I hoped we might see awesome accessibility related >>>>>>> greeter >>>>>>> experience very soon but unfortunately I've found another issue and >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> time I am afraid it might have something to do with orca. >>>>>>> When lightdm GTK greeter is configured with reader in its >>>>>>> accessibility >>>>>>> states it includes Screen reader menu item which allows starting >>>>>>> orca. A >>>>>>> keyboard equivalent of enabling that menu item is an F4 keyboard >>>>>>> shortcut which is working as a toggle i.e. it switches screen >>>>>>> reader to >>>>>>> on or off. Under the hood lightdm GTK greeter launches orca or to be >>>>>>> precise the command configured in its config file, remembers its >>>>>>> pid and >>>>>>> then kills that pid when the feature is toggled to off. >>>>>>> What I have just noticed when orca receives sigterm it appears to >>>>>>> freeze >>>>>>> here. I am however only able to reproduce this when running inside a >>>>>>> lightdm greeter session and when logged into xfce for example I can >>>>>>> kill >>>>>>> orca without issues. This is with orca 3.18.2 and with orca master. >>>>>>> Unfortunately I can find nothing useful in the debug*.out file orca >>>>>>> generates. How would I go about trying to better troubleshoot this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do have some other possibly related questions: >>>>>>> - Orca launches other helper apps such as speech-dispatcher which in >>>>>>> turn may optionally also launch pulseaudio. Should these also be >>>>>>> tracked >>>>>>> in lightdm GTK greeter the same way at-spi is? >>>>>>> - When lightdm is running as a systemd service and I call systemctl >>>>>>> stop >>>>>>> lightdm the greeter process is terminated however at-spi and I >>>>>>> suspect >>>>>>> the other tracked processes are still running. Is this a bug? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Greetings >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>>>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From mariachiac@gmail.com Thu Dec 3 13:12:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C8776908 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:12:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oUZmBlrpeCpR for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f46.google.com (mail-oi0-f46.google.com [209.85.218.46]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A975B768B9 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oiww189 with SMTP id w189so48279093oiw.3 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 05:12:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AznZufNiNKxnetBszbV0ssdo0jBWDly44fuJd0mZh1g=; b=TUpkp6q09DMRMN38A3RCgl7A+KzHK04ynqiVHv8nRJN4ULUR8lgArCFDDqXIj/f2Ho FSWiYyXVzLwYn6qlYBAHR1cC7DONibtqQCLB40GF0vUgCG30YGc/f3W2vPmi5pOVlVVp 4JGfNtmWBh5prUmjKyJYI/LlHdPOwJ7g4HYrqj5FdgRQCsUUXYwzfJp2nk89irJ7rYxN KRqG76NDgSjivt5NwUwVOfF3mEafqJT8XMAdz6Lc+ecreI71zC4pWgBtRYVD2g2Th98D JRiZ/Xa4u2Vpt6uIMSUBaMC54dS/l02DarWVjNpPZF9g3lEQMBLZ2yD97BNttgiUx3M+ vW1w== X-Received: by 10.202.205.137 with SMTP id d131mr7528806oig.56.1449148377952; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 05:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.11.134] (cpe-68-206-115-49.stx.res.rr.com. [68.206.115.49]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id jy5sm3437401obb.13.2015.12.03.05.12.57 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 Dec 2015 05:12:57 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Alonzo Cuellar Message-ID: <56603F19.6060207@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 07:09:45 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] apps with Orca in gnome-terminal X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 13:12:58 -0000 hello, I'm not exactly sure how to reproduce the following. Therefore I can explain what I do or am doing when the problem occurs. It happens at random times so I'm not sure if a debug.out file would help. this is using archlinux, orca from git pulled from yesterday. I'd also like to say I hope terminal apps get more accessible. I like using Weechat for my irc needs. On to my problem. I can have Weechat opened with my tintin client for mudding and a blank terminal window for random commandline tasks. Sometimes what happens is that Orca will read the other window. This means if I'm in the terminal doing some random terminal task Orca will read for example my tintin window. it can also be viseversa when in Weechat. Today when I opened Thunderbird I was in the weechat window. When I came back to the Weechat window I was unable to read it. Sometimes I can fix the problem by pressing f10, opening the file menu, and then pressing escape. that will sometimes fix the issue, but will resume when I switch windows. I hope this can help figure out a fix. I can try reproducing a debug log, but it happens at random. Alonzo From kyle4jesus@gmail.com Thu Dec 3 13:48:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1539076908 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:48:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kk18wbF3Udsy for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f172.google.com (mail-qk0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44934768B9 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qkfo3 with SMTP id o3so29869517qkf.1 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 05:48:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:in-reply-to:references:content-type :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=asJemiI18MfoCijh2orI7K/KNakzUIfYvtQeq3zb3Kk=; b=lEIeIPnv/6aQBF/fCmEeDopBkmVqdWCnbDYjMz0ICQhKvIQkXgveX1999vuoGnfmf8 6xJthtLbWBjyY9faA5lolJ54mNEKLoYlcsJ9iMt0OOdtPAx3s5inGdRWdeq8tIBHYz21 G50abxHqHCsvnDM3YFBDOdjxWlX5EKa+DykGmOCXwmujpUZ9wIgKncU0NXU6DgJwVwSQ ItygERxI2WhetODdoNtEDKPFyneF6D28Hm9tU0cl0mbakuGOnk5x1YfHnJr2y6/keyg4 zokhNTzhLotD4XVhDNsgbJQvBJ6NPnclZBxkLR8qYusTavDRVim3sLuHowlDgJ9UTLmo zhpA== X-Received: by 10.55.209.87 with SMTP id s84mr10847736qki.32.1449150520274; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 05:48:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from hummingboard ([71.69.198.142]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id h19sm3302430qgd.37.2015.12.03.05.48.37 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 Dec 2015 05:48:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1449150516.2985.5.camel@gmail.com> From: Kyle To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 08:48:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: <56603F19.6060207@gmail.com> References: <56603F19.6060207@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] apps with Orca in gnome-terminal X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 13:48:40 -0000 It seems possible that this may be related to a problem I experienced yesterday. I had a build running in a terminal window, but I was hearing the output of make in that terminal, even though I had left its workspace. I had Pidgin focused part of the time and Firefox focused at another time, but pieces of the make output were still being spoken. This does appear to be a bug introduced in a recent commit, as I just pulled the latest master branch yesterday as well. Thanks for any help Sent from my ARM From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Dec 3 13:52:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA0276908 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:52:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0jkt-qtPeGfI for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC17D768B9 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-73-227-184-218.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.227.184.218] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim) id 1a4UIw-0004lC-GJ; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 14:52:14 +0100 To: Kyle , orca-list@gnome.org References: <56603F19.6060207@gmail.com> <1449150516.2985.5.camel@gmail.com> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <566048A0.2080904@igalia.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 08:50:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1449150516.2985.5.camel@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] apps with Orca in gnome-terminal X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 13:52:16 -0000 This is related to the changes I made to make Orca more forgiving about missing accessibility events. The advantage is that Orca shouldn't be silent in apps like Gedit and Pluma (and other apps that fail to give us the correct events). The (temporary) cost is that we're having to identify these sorts of issues so that I can explicitly handle them. This is why I do this sort of work early in the release cycle. And I am working on fixing these issues you have reported. Thanks! --joanie On 12/03/2015 08:48 AM, Kyle wrote: > It seems possible that this may be related to a problem I experienced > yesterday. I had a build running in a terminal window, but I was > hearing the output of make in that terminal, even though I had left its > workspace. I had Pidgin focused part of the time and Firefox focused at > another time, but pieces of the make output were still being spoken. > This does appear to be a bug introduced in a recent commit, as I just > pulled the latest master branch yesterday as well. Thanks for any help > Sent from my ARM > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From alexarnaud@member.fsf.org Thu Dec 3 15:35:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8185E76909 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:35:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IHiNZ5R8J1Xv for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (relay2-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.194]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63931768B9 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:35:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter24-d.gandi.net (mfilter24-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.152]) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05966C5A55 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:35:52 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter24-d.gandi.net Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([IPv6:::ffff:217.70.183.194]) by mfilter24-d.gandi.net (mfilter24-d.gandi.net [::ffff:10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G9qZqOhjhzQ7 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:35:50 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 93.27.217.217 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (217.217.27.93.rev.sfr.net [93.27.217.217]) (Authenticated sender: alex@arnaud.link) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A745EC5A85 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:35:50 +0100 (CET) To: orca From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <56606156.6080805@member.fsf.org> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:35:50 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Function "increase the speech rate" issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 15:35:52 -0000 Hi everybody! I have discovered in some applications that increasing the speech rate and moving with arrow keys doesn't use the increasing speech but the general speech define in settings. I can reproduce with terminal, gedit et LibreOffice Writer but it's possible that the issue exist in another software. The function work fine for me in Firefox and Thunderbird. The steps : 1) Open gedit, terminal or LibreOffice Writer 2) Write some lines of text 3) Increase or decrease the speech rate 4) Move with arrow keys 5) The rate defined on the fly is not used Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD From burt1iband@gmail.com Thu Dec 3 16:17:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84654768B9 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:17:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DhwY-Rlz6tv3 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f42.google.com (mail-oi0-f42.google.com [209.85.218.42]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E407632A for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oige206 with SMTP id e206so52015073oig.2 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 08:17:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=4D+zecvKMQ0OwMRIIc2p7x8my5nTwqgX2JQ+nBP2F2U=; b=F5yRsj075vi/I00Ah4bLVE1gcoY497XQWGxpODQ797noKbE5eQZDPFQCt2JmdTR6Gs Q7ppXNVnndy6c9Zy3x1cWEHr942ZTfMIu5/pSdoZ/B2gGq+UkgUAJV+u/yfi26QaCLux ojmiSy9X5kTae7PI0oat96/t/GwAX3p/ScBUZ746iXAdlkl9a5I8PY0uPFNa8JzTdped MlFzv1gYa3hSI5xM0uVgSw2KI3b9kvSQ4FIsXwi9SH1BK80rkQ74vsk71KqvogqfrxSJ YddSgfjSoNUoDmBqgULgSbkCxFhM2FVSDTwziLbg93q157GJ8TagnU0KHLeNKrU5+Ikk AaHg== X-Received: by 10.202.177.193 with SMTP id a184mr7989906oif.46.1449159450566; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 08:17:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.58.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id wu6sm3795874obb.16.2015.12.03.08.17.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Dec 2015 08:17:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 10:14:06 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: Alex ARNAUD , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151203161406.GA30876@gmail.com> References: <56606156.6080805@member.fsf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56606156.6080805@member.fsf.org> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Function "increase the speech rate" issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 16:17:30 -0000 If I understand you correctly, this must be version specific. I have a document open with gedit, and when I lower or raise the speechrate with the keys I have defined, (alt with either up or down arrow), the ratein gedit changes, but if I move to another window or my desktop on another work space the I have my normal speed. I am using gedit 3.10 on this machine, so maybe this is the difference? I'm using latest orca from master, or if not latest at least a very recent one. If I move back in to the gedit window the rate is reverted to my normal default. By terminal I assume you mean gnome terminal which I do not have on this machine, but the terminal I have as my default here, lxterminal, works normally. The only place I can duplicate the behavior that I think you are talking about is with LO-writer. My libreoffice-still version is 4.4.6-1. I'll test this on a Vinux5 installation later. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Alex ARNAUD wrote: Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 04:35:50PM +0100 > Hi everybody! > I have discovered in some applications that increasing the speech rate and > moving with arrow keys doesn't use the increasing speech but the general > speech define in settings. > I can reproduce with terminal, gedit et LibreOffice Writer but it's possible > that the issue exist in another software. The function work fine for me in > Firefox and Thunderbird. > The steps : > 1) Open gedit, terminal or LibreOffice Writer > 2) Write some lines of text > 3) Increase or decrease the speech rate > 4) Move with arrow keys > 5) The rate defined on the fly is not used > > Best regards. > > -- > Alex ARNAUD > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From alexarnaud@member.fsf.org Thu Dec 3 16:59:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1557692F for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:59:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7TLVvKfWv4NI for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (relay2-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.194]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E112676A06 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter27-d.gandi.net (mfilter27-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.155]) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13AC2C5A4B; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 17:59:37 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter27-d.gandi.net Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([IPv6:::ffff:217.70.183.194]) by mfilter27-d.gandi.net (mfilter27-d.gandi.net [::ffff:10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jk6kvVt9zPme; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 17:59:35 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 93.27.217.217 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (217.217.27.93.rev.sfr.net [93.27.217.217]) (Authenticated sender: alex@arnaud.link) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 99769C5A55; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 17:59:35 +0100 (CET) To: "B. Henry" , orca-list@gnome.org References: <56606156.6080805@member.fsf.org> <20151203161406.GA30876@gmail.com> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <566074F7.8000709@member.fsf.org> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 17:59:35 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151203161406.GA30876@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Function "increase the speech rate" issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 16:59:36 -0000 On 03/12/2015 17:14, B. Henry wrote: > If I understand you correctly, this must be version specific. I have a document open with gedit, and when I lower or raise the speechrate with the keys > I have defined, (alt with either up or down arrow), the ratein gedit changes, but if I move to another window or my desktop on another work space the I > have my normal speed. It's a bug indeed. > I am using gedit 3.10 on this machine, so maybe this is the difference? I'm using latest orca from master, or if not latest at least a very recent one. I use gedit 3.18. > By terminal I assume you mean gnome terminal which I do not have on this machine, but the terminal I have as my default here, lxterminal, works > normally. Yes I use gnome-terminal. -- Alex ARNAUD From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Dec 3 17:27:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F4D765C7 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 17:27:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id onpwFLwbwvQp for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 17:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BD07632A for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 17:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-73-227-184-218.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.227.184.218] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim) id 1a4Xff-0007w9-0c; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 18:27:55 +0100 To: Alex ARNAUD References: <56606156.6080805@member.fsf.org> <20151203161406.GA30876@gmail.com> <566074F7.8000709@member.fsf.org> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <56607B2D.7060003@igalia.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 12:26:05 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <566074F7.8000709@member.fsf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Function "increase the speech rate" issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 17:27:56 -0000 Hi all. On 12/03/2015 11:59 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > On 03/12/2015 17:14, B. Henry wrote: >> but if I move to another window or my desktop on another work >> space the I >> have my normal speed. > It's a bug indeed. It's a design decision you apparently disagree with. ;) If memory serves me, it was made by the Sun user experience guy. In particular, on-the-fly settings are applicable to just the current application script and get reset when you switch applications. If you wanted those changes to be permanent, there's the preferences dialog for that. That said, if everyone disagrees with that design decision, I can certainly change the behavior. --joanie From burt1iband@gmail.com Thu Dec 3 18:40:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152A57634C for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 18:40:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FU8D0uMat4kj for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 18:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f54.google.com (mail-oi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DBC76230 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 18:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oiww189 with SMTP id w189so55283793oiw.3 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 10:40:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=C6XJbb8JatM/pzuHAGOwUE36GAhtsjB6p2stGfzMuRI=; b=itlx8emMchGvkFtQc+mZiKRNtIXBEzT+mTc+qSkpHG7wghLArL734ONsIgJt37KM1y 8AMmCRWb2eAwitYGPfG6utvt+Z3qkKB1sl2z5XWTfCTePu3FcRP9KcRMUfioSBZrBb+F ELVdVsRmGI64vhJqDIqkONpUmjxQE09bhgt6yObOuI0kTNV3yt37vV3RcM6rVx7kYxg1 +ICLzzqWg9zWxmdMTiYZ55RhNMsL8jOX87p2XNqxgdwVEbCsc/0ToAf+WerZP1VKbd/0 og4thynFJkGwLJT7slwJDjGU4oUkinbe8ZsgLqBExL4WstdJGHLIWXbcpI1+xplegMGH bBwA== X-Received: by 10.202.54.215 with SMTP id d206mr8917083oia.6.1449168053467; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 10:40:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.58.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id dh8sm4075779obb.2.2015.12.03.10.40.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Dec 2015 10:40:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 12:37:29 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: Joanmarie Diggs , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151203183729.GE30876@gmail.com> References: <56606156.6080805@member.fsf.org> <20151203161406.GA30876@gmail.com> <566074F7.8000709@member.fsf.org> <56607B2D.7060003@igalia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56607B2D.7060003@igalia.com> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Function "increase the speech rate" issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 18:40:54 -0000 Hi Joani and all, The problem is that the speed change does not work as it should, i.e. slower or faster is said, but in a few apps/versions orca does not actually slow down. For me this would be libreoffice writer only, at least that is all I've seen so far. I load a document, try and slow speech rate down, but it remains normal. I for sure agree that this should only effect the app/window one is using, or at least this should be default. I suppose a prefference option could be added to make the change persist until orca is restarted, but don't think that is worth the trouble of doing. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Joanmarie Diggs wrote: Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 12:26:05PM -0500 > Hi all. > > On 12/03/2015 11:59 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > > On 03/12/2015 17:14, B. Henry wrote: > >> but if I move to another window or my desktop on another work > >> space the I > >> have my normal speed. > > It's a bug indeed. > > It's a design decision you apparently disagree with. ;) If memory serves > me, it was made by the Sun user experience guy. In particular, > on-the-fly settings are applicable to just the current application > script and get reset when you switch applications. If you wanted those > changes to be permanent, there's the preferences dialog for that. > > That said, if everyone disagrees with that design decision, I can > certainly change the behavior. > > --joanie > From burt1iband@gmail.com Thu Dec 3 18:48:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60EE7634C for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 18:48:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jsZIM4Mb8y26 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 18:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2222F76230 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 18:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbnk6 with SMTP id nk6so58006390obb.2 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 10:48:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent; bh=WnagtLDIlPilcVgczainhEyN7W7qMA6VVu1O/6hDrL4=; b=kAiphq3nCOB04PuTu3gW3n9Zv2MRFgYAnNtchq1tprEFzUrUlBSqeBG19ME+ZMaPng /n7JwlzymPD+70MyuL+WbOSl4KX42wQ2Pr07Z1yWGMbETZh/2Cn9TWSNUwPbxN9I3tKS u21QfQvR41u+PSlBfLGJYfs7fltWMN+/0ifSILNr6e8TqrXWrXdyrXVHxLBmitcXkjUh 14QmN3EK89KIvVgqtdTYqpnXmTMY/s2E6cuyRbfvkZx7NwCuKFnDcfNn3thpRiXj5Vyn hrAYaHaf6Z7SwXTJfm1UOjXpatLxMske7SuQ904UbA1qvuA1PqlxGXgtChpNMxA7LEFE WrTQ== X-Received: by 10.60.135.35 with SMTP id pp3mr9741009oeb.78.1449168530356; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 10:48:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.58.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xx7sm4021690obc.26.2015.12.03.10.48.49 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Dec 2015 10:48:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 12:45:26 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151203184526.GF30876@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: [orca-list] Another webpage that is hides a critical control from orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 18:48:50 -0000 I was trying to set up an alternative weather retrieval utility, and needed a weather underground key. I tried to register so I could get the api key, but could not find any button or linkto send the data, continue, sign up, what ever it is being called. http://www.wunderground.com/weather/api/d/login.html?MR=1 Is this an orca problem, or is the webpage missing something in the way of accessability? Over all it appears to be very straight forward and easy to read. -- B.H. From alexarnaud@member.fsf.org Thu Dec 3 19:02:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B357632A for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 19:02:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Fr3f7PX4NO1 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 19:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (relay5-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.197]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5081C76230 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 19:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter23-d.gandi.net (mfilter23-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.151]) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2120741C084; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:02:36 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter23-d.gandi.net Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([IPv6:::ffff:217.70.183.197]) by mfilter23-d.gandi.net (mfilter23-d.gandi.net [::ffff:10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 74LWvynkKYPm; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:02:34 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 93.27.217.217 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (217.217.27.93.rev.sfr.net [93.27.217.217]) (Authenticated sender: alex@arnaud.link) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8151F41C087; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:02:34 +0100 (CET) To: Joanmarie Diggs References: <56606156.6080805@member.fsf.org> <20151203161406.GA30876@gmail.com> <566074F7.8000709@member.fsf.org> <56607B2D.7060003@igalia.com> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <566091CA.3070509@member.fsf.org> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:02:34 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56607B2D.7060003@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Function "increase the speech rate" issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 19:02:36 -0000 On 03/12/2015 18:26, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi all. > > On 12/03/2015 11:59 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: >> On 03/12/2015 17:14, B. Henry wrote: >>> but if I move to another window or my desktop on another work >>> space the I >>> have my normal speed. >> It's a bug indeed. > It's a design decision you apparently disagree with. ;) If memory serves > me, it was made by the Sun user experience guy. In particular, > on-the-fly settings are applicable to just the current application > script and get reset when you switch applications. If you wanted those > changes to be permanent, there's the preferences dialog for that. > > That said, if everyone disagrees with that design decision, I can > certainly change the behavior. If I remember it's the case in other screen reader I've tried like NVDA, Jaws and I'm not sure VoiceOver. The speech rate should be general in on-the-fly way except if settings specific are made for an application. -- Alex ARNAUD From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Dec 3 19:07:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EBF765C7 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 19:07:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RDA3G99PcIcO for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 19:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FEC7632A for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 19:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-73-227-184-218.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.227.184.218] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim) id 1a4ZEJ-0001CE-KC; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 20:07:47 +0100 To: "B. Henry" References: <20151203184526.GF30876@gmail.com> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <56609295.9020804@igalia.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 14:05:57 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151203184526.GF30876@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another webpage that is hides a critical control from orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 19:07:48 -0000 Hi B.H. There is a thing that looks like a button that says "Sign up". However: 1. It is not tab-focusable 2. It is a div styled to look like a button, but has no accessible text --joanie On 12/03/2015 01:45 PM, B. Henry wrote: > I was trying to set up an alternative weather retrieval utility, and needed a weather underground key. > I tried to register so I could get the api key, but could not find any button or linkto send the data, continue, sign up, what ever it is being called. > http://www.wunderground.com/weather/api/d/login.html?MR=1 > Is this an orca problem, or is the webpage missing something in the way of accessability? Over all it appears to be very straight forward and easy to > read. > -- > B.H. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From mhussaincov93@gmail.com Thu Dec 3 19:23:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0847F765C7 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 19:23:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C4sYXyN_-21q for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 19:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0207D7632A for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 19:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbcdv4 with SMTP id dv4so7769230lbc.2 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 11:23:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cLlFDCSDruzAWnew55qdRLeeQ4R6j6mXZyz1kwybWsY=; b=qT8QykslALkyhWfU1hUwc7rMIzrvJgEIzhhm9pFJWYg9JVtWeeAzFNPfnDe0lTB6hY AtQnTJe8FGnL9mAdfsdOO+CjnaqCKKXLllZc7dZ5W71FRKEwCwA36CnSXi/Yv748iq5o G/+y3HU4+uQNnRpoSkNtVOCC/4EN485THJDGB1xbCIf03BUYKJfUeQUfLur5i+5fvvuZ qUqTPEdV0T4pbfR1QZyHXpRE6qjlX6vFJEY6+eoKTUTEUxcx/WqpBeyWSUb0GYiz4h5V 7Sq5ZfGPkAY8i8/kqZg7jrj65Ir/qPd1hT47XH1bitwyLHr/cG8AeL7QQ+h9HxjHaYft tvaA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.156.39 with SMTP id wb7mr6429215lbb.96.1449170620289; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 11:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.15.196 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 11:23:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 14:23:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: Majid Hussain To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: [orca-list] git.gnome.org? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 19:23:41 -0000 hi there, i'm not sure who to send this to, but here goes. when I try to clone the orca repo from git://git.gnome.org/orca, i'm getting 9 kbps download speed. other downloads are not slow, is there an issue at your end? thanks, Majid Hussain From burt1iband@gmail.com Thu Dec 3 20:11:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450C876909 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:11:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9qpvve9UaUCo for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f50.google.com (mail-oi0-f50.google.com [209.85.218.50]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AEC765C7 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oies6 with SMTP id s6so57293504oie.1 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 12:11:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=DoEk6THgCIqGjpVN9FHeAzNt90jLmWRl8N5iey23jrE=; b=Z0CINy17o3Ja11iyRMW5+83BWEuC90hG9eER6HA29O8JQJZZBp5blTZkueXAld4Hpp IvqcUdST2ZsaIFByKBS5UZvTKI0o+PcUeGDi7gQ2+F7zoUBg10sal1GbY6dhL7DzH2O9 ZR1ZrnLGh8E6f+2oczhO+R1Ew9LvxHlxea68apIrJ99yCva8lFOkHM/L7M5DNq5zCYQG 2WmRZsjUQYZUoxAW08bKCkoLfR0tFZZh7rwiT6I5Nhfev65G44o3nfS8BKU4mLiB9jSM UdhqxCAdSFKvdPHjrD9y/at6Czmm6vBm8PyUlJrddRBCUq1dOXTiMQ2yK9smuudlrEJk zNfg== X-Received: by 10.202.72.143 with SMTP id v137mr9250334oia.120.1449173480584; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 12:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.58.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k136sm4255097oib.24.2015.12.03.12.11.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Dec 2015 12:11:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 14:07:56 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: Alex ARNAUD , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151203200756.GI30876@gmail.com> References: <56606156.6080805@member.fsf.org> <20151203161406.GA30876@gmail.com> <566074F7.8000709@member.fsf.org> <56607B2D.7060003@igalia.com> <566091CA.3070509@member.fsf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <566091CA.3070509@member.fsf.org> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Function "increase the speech rate" issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 20:11:20 -0000 While I disagree about best default behavior, i.e. I think it better the way things are with speed change being temporary and only for the app window in focus, that is not the problem/bug. Hearin slower or faster but not having the rate actually change when reading a focused document is a real problem. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Alex ARNAUD wrote: Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 08:02:34PM +0100 > On 03/12/2015 18:26, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > >Hi all. > > > >On 12/03/2015 11:59 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > >>On 03/12/2015 17:14, B. Henry wrote: > >>> but if I move to another window or my desktop on another work > >>>space the I > >>>have my normal speed. > >>It's a bug indeed. > >It's a design decision you apparently disagree with. ;) If memory serves > >me, it was made by the Sun user experience guy. In particular, > >on-the-fly settings are applicable to just the current application > >script and get reset when you switch applications. If you wanted those > >changes to be permanent, there's the preferences dialog for that. > > > >That said, if everyone disagrees with that design decision, I can > >certainly change the behavior. > If I remember it's the case in other screen reader I've tried like NVDA, > Jaws and I'm not sure VoiceOver. The speech rate should be general in > on-the-fly way except if settings specific are made for an application. > > -- > Alex ARNAUD > From milton@duurzaamdigitaal.org Thu Dec 3 20:21:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3471576909 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:21:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lS0OwknX59ET for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4.versatel.nl (smtp4.versatel.nl [62.58.50.91]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FD8765C7 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1782 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2015 20:21:34 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO [192.168.1.8]) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp4.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 3 Dec 2015 20:21:34 -0000 To: Joanmarie Diggs , Alex ARNAUD References: <56606156.6080805@member.fsf.org> <20151203161406.GA30876@gmail.com> <566074F7.8000709@member.fsf.org> <56607B2D.7060003@igalia.com> From: Milton Message-ID: <5660A451.8060509@duurzaamdigitaal.org> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 21:21:37 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56607B2D.7060003@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Function "increase the speech rate" issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 20:21:40 -0000 I really like the possibility to change the speech rate on the fly and get the original speech rate back by switching away and back to the app. I often do this with Firefox, Thunderbird, gnome-terminal. So if it could work for LO Writer and gedit it will be great. In gedit 3.10 the changed speech rate do not effect the text but blanc lines are spoken by the change. I use Ubuntu 14.04 and Orca 3.18.1 Milton Op 03-12-15 om 18:26 schreef Joanmarie Diggs: > Hi all. > > On 12/03/2015 11:59 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: >> On 03/12/2015 17:14, B. Henry wrote: >>> but if I move to another window or my desktop on another work >>> space the I >>> have my normal speed. >> It's a bug indeed. > It's a design decision you apparently disagree with. ;) If memory serves > me, it was made by the Sun user experience guy. In particular, > on-the-fly settings are applicable to just the current application > script and get reset when you switch applications. If you wanted those > changes to be permanent, there's the preferences dialog for that. > > That said, if everyone disagrees with that design decision, I can > certainly change the behavior. > > --joanie > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From luchyanus@gmail.com Thu Dec 3 20:39:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E71E76909 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:39:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D18UtghyCQ3f for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vk0-f42.google.com (mail-vk0-f42.google.com [209.85.213.42]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5AE765C7 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vkbs1 with SMTP id s1so53186217vkb.1 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 12:39:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5opgsv0aEhLpAUwHXtI0pDWqs99oaXLeVdyWNEolwVA=; b=Pae2sqMBN5SIkCVqyEf2+onCwYOWuTBoo5Q6PO8C2Or8biIPeOF433SSQjhw4Qk3zd 1W6BDqGtLVnUarvM9TKwqjr/3EcwWUxm1KF4spZKYdrI0Wuy1ZEYzuvR1Tjc0ZyEnfYo J+J3SIfxmxmMsbfQbDRYJQFPn/+3QTearJF1oypwZEE5bVQceH02ER32stXmx7dq3a5J QuYlotSHNu4BbL3N1yylCSIlOKcgAtwZ9aVVHTkteHqpNjHYgW58G7KlQsCpMns3pgiH olA0nvKfp+q8AcpT1viMNJewGD6pPktnqps9BeL/DtQcPsWj4eK6UFoUbbPVU84pTnP3 bQVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.32.140 with SMTP id g134mr7563951vkg.8.1449175166883; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 12:39:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.183.195 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 12:39:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 18:39:26 -0200 Message-ID: From: luciano de souza To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: [orca-list] Javascript debug with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 20:39:26 -0000 Hello all, I am starting in web development, so Javascript debug is required. For this purpose, I have installed Firebug, however, I was not able to use it. Does someone know how I can read the debug messages? I have a code, it seems to be correct, but there is a bu. But without a debugger, the task becomes unbareble. 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[74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id mj8sm4794916obc.25.2015.12.03.16.39.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 Dec 2015 16:39:50 -0800 (PST) To: Joanmarie Diggs , Alex ARNAUD References: <56606156.6080805@member.fsf.org> <20151203161406.GA30876@gmail.com> <566074F7.8000709@member.fsf.org> <56607B2D.7060003@igalia.com> From: kendell clark Message-ID: <5660E0D6.5090808@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 18:39:50 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56607B2D.7060003@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Function "increase the speech rate" issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 00:39:51 -0000 hi I agree with joanie, with the caveat that settings made in the "application" specific prefs should be restricted to the current application. But settings made by keybindings should be global. I've come across this ... well, it's not a bug, but this fact, and never quite got annoyed enough to mention it, since I generally don't mess with the settings much once I initially set them. Thanks Kendell clark On 12/03/2015 11:26 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi all. > > On 12/03/2015 11:59 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: >> On 03/12/2015 17:14, B. Henry wrote: >>> but if I move to another window or my desktop on another work >>> space the I >>> have my normal speed. >> It's a bug indeed. > > It's a design decision you apparently disagree with. ;) If memory serves > me, it was made by the Sun user experience guy. In particular, > on-the-fly settings are applicable to just the current application > script and get reset when you switch applications. If you wanted those > changes to be permanent, there's the preferences dialog for that. > > That said, if everyone disagrees with that design decision, I can > certainly change the behavior. > > --joanie > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Fri Dec 4 00:43:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FA0765C7 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 00:43:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_REDIR=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wZXPUUJ7mN1J for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 00:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f54.google.com (mail-qg0-f54.google.com [209.85.192.54]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC0C763D7 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 00:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qgeb1 with SMTP id b1so76809976qge.1 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 16:43:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:date:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent; bh=n/Y5VOuW+bkAQ3H4L2sM3k53jmwz8lBXZmwB75gBAGE=; b=J1eBleOtxVr4ZxfVq10tvGl5edb5PCAnXutpjpVJKfZWJCYhU3nVMgbh6gpZyE4Fpo llD48841uzaMd2cOxLbQbS2+fHprzFHR0rL0E4t59GQwCeH+rMapJQ36q82O2b3lmaar 5mVsGPiIMlx0FNNkkKL/NYnquGlP3LfIK9Ywd98cbynkkXGbXwUJjlM/n2Kj+MDgGBXD 9CfJEnQrxI2Sd7U4yvtrnUe3G7ZFypEZR0C50iGI7OfSxNsWlSWDUPM42T1EsQX+K72x c9ibcb3bCgRKx+xjoHEiDLWMIeaVjCQVSua1jFb5qcHcleF4iDxIo2jcD1Gd9hUz+QAI Eg2g== X-Received: by 10.140.44.8 with SMTP id f8mr14906044qga.106.1449189808121; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 16:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from frankendell ([137.118.186.73]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a132sm4386273qhd.44.2015.12.03.16.43.27 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Dec 2015 16:43:27 -0800 (PST) From: Storm Dragon X-Google-Original-From: Storm Dragon Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 19:43:25 -0500 To: Orca-list , Vinux Support , Speakup-List Message-ID: <20151204004325.GH27056@frankendell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="raC6veAxrt5nqIoY" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: [orca-list] Audio Game Installer Script for Arch Linux Users X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 00:43:28 -0000 --raC6veAxrt5nqIoY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy, Sorry for cross posting, but I'm looking for people to help test a specific= script for a specific OS, so I need the largest target possible in hopes o= f finding some people interested in this. 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Henry" To: kendell clark , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151204005116.GG14458@gmail.com> References: <56606156.6080805@member.fsf.org> <20151203161406.GA30876@gmail.com> <566074F7.8000709@member.fsf.org> <56607B2D.7060003@igalia.com> <5660E0D6.5090808@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5660E0D6.5090808@gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Function "increase the speech rate" issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 00:51:20 -0000 Well, if app specific settings were not restricted to the application then they'd be global prefs...smile I can see a point in making on the fly changes global across the board as they usually are, but honestly for speed, pitch, etc I think there is a strong case for restricting them to the ap, or maybe even window at hand. I often want to listen to a certain type of content much slower than my normal rate to catch technical details, or enjoy and better understand a novel or fictional short story. I wold not want to have to readjust my voice if I had to take a break to check email. There are many ways to do things, and I've installed a 2nd editor that I don't use much just to use app specific prefferences to have it read slower, with different punctuation settings, etc, etc. The thing I'm still not hearing about however is whether other folks have apps where the on the fly change does not work like is the case for me with LO writer. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 kendell clark wrote: Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 06:39:50PM -0600 > hi > I agree with joanie, with the caveat that settings made in the > "application" specific prefs should be restricted to the current > application. But settings made by keybindings should be global. I've > come across this ... well, it's not a bug, but this fact, and never > quite got annoyed enough to mention it, since I generally don't mess > with the settings much once I initially set them. > Thanks > Kendell clark > > > On 12/03/2015 11:26 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > > Hi all. > > > > On 12/03/2015 11:59 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > >> On 03/12/2015 17:14, B. Henry wrote: > >>> but if I move to another window or my desktop on another work > >>> space the I > >>> have my normal speed. > >> It's a bug indeed. > > > > It's a design decision you apparently disagree with. ;) If memory serves > > me, it was made by the Sun user experience guy. In particular, > > on-the-fly settings are applicable to just the current application > > script and get reset when you switch applications. If you wanted those > > changes to be permanent, there's the preferences dialog for that. > > > > That said, if everyone disagrees with that design decision, I can > > certainly change the behavior. > > > > --joanie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From coffeekingms@gmail.com Fri Dec 4 05:50:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5132976983 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 05:50:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B5lGrAUEq3fs for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 05:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791DF763ED for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 05:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oba1 with SMTP id 1so25062931oba.1 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 21:50:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nxSZT5JZM3CoihITzQO6CnKBETxO396VMd36RaXGE6M=; b=BiKpWw5+5endDobEvb/Ey4BcL1NmiZGmxwgeKZwj+jITq+dHAXUn/2G0v1yla26+wJ +PNRHi+txmWH9fIYGpVoFem+TNYKcfG+A8dUShgm588y1lRUlRkKx8E+KRG6208ivKBx 3guLFdnOLZs1isxrEvRDxo3nzI2xRuoVOQPT5jMUpPrPgK5BgBIdlFs1ctCE+8H3lWDE XWq2UlscjLAa5M+I0zVDxCwyWMXWTjMn9bqH/HPlhxVwlPdbXwM+CQU3gckh5jWcpgwI 7nSnPO0KzKDCrun6yu7x3O3Mra6uMsl18nzqFtoIUTRMGZ6QBbU5bCUv3FueynBIhr1r 0QdQ== X-Received: by 10.182.116.200 with SMTP id jy8mr8247091obb.35.1449208245487; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 21:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (74-196-119-242.mnolcmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net. [74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id m8sm5237243obn.27.2015.12.03.21.50.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 Dec 2015 21:50:44 -0800 (PST) To: "B. Henry" , orca-list@gnome.org References: <56606156.6080805@member.fsf.org> <20151203161406.GA30876@gmail.com> <566074F7.8000709@member.fsf.org> <56607B2D.7060003@igalia.com> <5660E0D6.5090808@gmail.com> <20151204005116.GG14458@gmail.com> From: kendell clark Message-ID: <566129B4.9060501@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 23:50:44 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151204005116.GG14458@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Function "increase the speech rate" issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 05:50:45 -0000 hi You have a point. I'm fine with either. If it gets changed, I can always adjust the speed in teh app specific prefs. If it doesn't, I won't have to do anything grins. Thanks Kendell clark On 12/03/2015 06:51 PM, B. Henry wrote: > Well, if app specific settings were not restricted to the application then they'd be global prefs...smile > I can see a point in making on the fly changes global across the board as they usually are, but honestly for speed, pitch, etc I think there is a strong > case for restricting them to the ap, or maybe even window at hand. > I often want to listen to a certain type of content much slower than my normal rate to catch technical details, or enjoy and better understand a novel > or fictional short story. I wold not want to have to readjust my voice if I had to take a break to check email. > There are many ways to do things, and I've installed a 2nd editor that I don't use much just to use app specific prefferences to have it read slower, > with different punctuation settings, etc, etc. > The thing I'm still not hearing about however is whether other folks have apps where the on the fly change does not work like is the case for me with LO > writer. > > > > From pvdeejay@gmail.com Fri Dec 4 09:29:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D0076983 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 09:29:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EZ69wnrX51QK for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 09:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f46.google.com (mail-wm0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8446D763ED for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 09:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wmec201 with SMTP id c201so65092424wme.0 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 01:29:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rXPOnN/CI2Mpnibf91Kl5tckXs12k1XLhOAkKHA664A=; b=n0Sw20azUmRaRkw7NzzDjf6q3MN1HwDF8JpbKiyBUb4MsYslKkrMMrBeqjdevHycE1 TANQ7cvxC/kjojn9lJnD0tdOIZT1/YWkc/qfSdYz8+ZSq2k9WF8qlnzIgh5fJcSEzwS7 Ulg/PczFKbBJtmaiuWyq7gvlZU7sySjOCMMN/fYnExHhJ18uko+TPlwdSrKAUJ/piiOF EYTvT5iASQ1CpT6WECCWhmTNDEH3SSevfke3AGvZZIqXXO38u6Cj9h0NdeDmsN4rJbMj /d6HRD1Hy0Xu4iOz72L2pnoTfDyCfen5LD0CXM0Lv19tp/2FAbcG0Kt+nljFdZVxyhJ+ gPoA== X-Received: by 10.28.210.74 with SMTP id j71mr3604471wmg.96.1449221359351; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 01:29:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.8.24] (ab25.webra.bb.cust.gts.sk. [62.168.109.217]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t9sm540126wjx.25.2015.12.04.01.29.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 Dec 2015 01:29:18 -0800 (PST) To: Majid Hussain , orca-list@gnome.org References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <56615CED.5070203@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 10:29:17 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] git.gnome.org? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 09:29:20 -0000 Hello, I don't know how to trouble shoot this I assume there are a lot of gnome developers using git.gnome.org so if there is a problem I expect it to be know. If you have stil issues getting orca source code you may try using the github mirror at https://github.com/gnome/orca . Greetings Peter On 03.12.2015 at 20:23 Majid Hussain wrote: > hi there, > i'm not sure who to send this to, but here goes. > when I try to clone the orca repo from > git://git.gnome.org/orca, i'm getting 9 kbps download speed. > other downloads are not slow, is there an issue at your end? > thanks, > Majid Hussain > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From chrys87@web.de Fri Dec 4 13:34:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73DD76990 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 13:34:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.635 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.635 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_REDIR=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o1AedqO3248U for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 13:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.15.4]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B237763ED for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 13:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.6.142.162] by 3capp-webde-bs47.server.lan (via HTTP); Fri, 4 Dec 2015 14:34:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: chrys87@web.de To: "Storm Dragon" Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 14:34:11 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <20151204004325.GH27056@frankendell> References: <20151204004325.GH27056@frankendell> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:4/LzlNRnTocDC/vtw1anDdYbrPIzShVjhiZoO7lCFf3 DyGx+VzlSmPlOM6OB672H+3HayDcNzMIljoS5FCrmGORIVIUir EclwpI0ElHLIFQzF5Gk71zk9K5xBPfCFk1TSmUjAuGnqwJJlYf 7V9gtgoWoTTX797+dCVmEDEJKtIIem1Q8yZx0LPJ1hUG8IZQ/W j9tQ4UXwfLQCnnueAdt8QI0dFxZCHL6gt7k+fGZdF+1Cp+WcBm 2lJSAOVox5Iys1vm52UcgvsHZPka1vt7J/47JABsoU7P3vihk+ RB7QJ4= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:w2WZIKpVs8k=:3ZUiKGWZCzoeFy81xZqnHt xJIZVo0RXYSUHGQbgZet59V0t0T6qL8ThPmoMhi208/bCfLhc0tpKXRoFpwXEKshZVkojPvky nOuQQG7NziKfxmkqlW+cKINY7PbrAtdOIOu9b7j5dnbsUlrQ4hcKWRH/GlmaX7AMbGVlWGPIy U8iWp70+T/BhkTWtsedJqgFVwQCmldB1I1jVm3H6jNsimbw/E9d/o/4UsbyHsCymDIrLGEWb4 qQzaqA8s4Oo4GSHeXsldHTyLSrDjwK9OGCASe6W6cDzfvk+5GOOaQLOSYuyE5E5izf6BSi86p 2UeIrEDc2XMkKUMSJYSqZp+T79abEpVM9NZOAzNElsgXDC7xqHHMtMivUT9zbDbkUqu7V1ake /hwu82ezTIre33MoyW2ynTy0ygXlllN5HYy6mvSvqE6MIXNunz+1+5IH5hN9TEX01sFO+JC3S 9zRCrfpSgq54EnHqn+octITHCbFZezLCw7fP0InmHdUTwifHofWOKPN0Q3hrkXiaj3dS9orzQ A== Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audio Game Installer Script for Arch Linux Users X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 13:34:12 -0000
Hi Storm,
 
maybe i missed something, but where can i found you scripts?
 
cheers chrys
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 04. Dezember 2015 um 01:43 Uhr
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Betreff: [orca-list] Audio Game Installer Script for Arch Linux Users
Howdy,
Sorry for cross posting, but I'm looking for people to help test a specific script for a specific OS, so I need the largest target possible in hopes of finding some people interested in this.
For anyone running arch, who is interested in the ability to run audio games in wine, I have written a script that should make this pretty easy. There are a few games that can be installed directly from the script, and after running the script, installing other games should be a bit easier.
If you are interested in helping test the script please reply to me off list. I will send you a copy of the script to test. I don't think anything will go wrong with it, but I can't be 100% sure, so testing is at your own risk of course.
Thanks
Storm
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[62.168.109.217]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id i18sm3662215wmf.6.2015.12.04.05.57.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 Dec 2015 05:57:58 -0800 (PST) To: chrys87@web.de, Storm Dragon References: <20151204004325.GH27056@frankendell> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <56619BE5.5070501@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 14:57:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030208030500060203080203" Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audio Game Installer Script for Arch Linux Users X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 13:58:00 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030208030500060203080203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I think Storm is looking for some early adopters aka beta testers before making the script available to public. I'm sure he'll be sending it to you soon if you would like to get it. Greetings Peter On 04.12.2015 at 14:34 chrys87@web.de wrote: > Hi Storm, > maybe i missed something, but where can i found you scripts? > cheers chrys > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 04. Dezember 2015 um 01:43 Uhr > *Von:* "Storm Dragon" > *An:* Orca-list , "Vinux Support" > , Speakup-List > *Betreff:* [orca-list] Audio Game Installer Script for Arch Linux Users > Howdy, > Sorry for cross posting, but I'm looking for people to help test a > specific script for a specific OS, so I need the largest target > possible in hopes of finding some people interested in this. > For anyone running arch, who is interested in the ability to run audio > games in wine, I have written a script that should make this pretty > easy. There are a few games that can be installed directly from the > script, and after running the script, installing other games should be > a bit easier. > If you are interested in helping test the script please reply to me > off list. I will send you a copy of the script to test. I don't think > anything will go wrong with it, but I can't be 100% sure, so testing > is at your own risk of course. > Thanks > Storm > -- > Powered by Arch Linux! I am registered Linux user number 508465: > https://linuxcounter.net/user/508465.html > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.tk/ > get my public PGP key: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 43DDC193 > Twitter and Facebook are so ... yesteryear. 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Hello,

I think Storm is looking for some early adopters aka beta testers before making the script available to public.

I'm sure he'll be sending it to you soon if you would like to get it.

Greetings

Peter

On 04.12.2015 at 14:34 chrys87@web.de wrote:
Hi Storm,
maybe i missed something, but where can i found you scripts?
cheers chrys
Gesendet:Freitag, 04. Dezember 2015 um 01:43 Uhr
Von:"Storm Dragon" <stormdragon2976@gmail.com>
An:Orca-list <orca-list@gnome.org>, "Vinux Support" <vinux-support@googlegroups.com>, Speakup-List <speakup@linux-speakup.org>
Betreff:[orca-list] Audio Game Installer Script for Arch Linux Users
Howdy,
Sorry for cross posting, but I'm looking for people to help test a specific script for a specific OS, so I need the largest target possible in hopes of finding some people interested in this.
For anyone running arch, who is interested in the ability to run audio games in wine, I have written a script that should make this pretty easy. There are a few games that can be installed directly from the script, and after running the script, installing other games should be a bit easier.
If you are interested in helping test the script please reply to me off list. I will send you a copy of the script to test. I don't think anything will go wrong with it, but I can't be 100% sure, so testing is at your own risk of course.
Thanks
Storm
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--------------030208030500060203080203-- From janina@rednote.net Fri Dec 4 21:03:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6EA76989 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:03:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0EpjKczj4fVl for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [66.228.34.147]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B60763ED for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from opera.rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id tB4L3OXW012733 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:03:24 GMT DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 opera.rednote.net tB4L3OXW012733 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=rednote.net; s=default; t=1449263004; bh=tnyBTiYorJfzfYrOyKh8E3fc8Q9zMguDJ++pK7/u8HY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=oUacKDBcIWaeEyDoy0C7gFpvri51iSmhSdJY5VS/INSSAwrcoKDRmpeMxVexLoVju JHMZO1dCJ0oDDbSdGR90Tm0BySXIz+XxfTsyLC6EKgw2PCRek1Y+8nIAM/xFqczvTf rYWqeALcAbfLznZgX2DqHYzg0vIcUD4aS9W2VMW4= Received: (from janina@localhost) by opera.rednote.net (8.15.2/8.14.6/Submit) id tB4L3MqJ012732; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 16:03:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: opera.rednote.net: janina set sender to janina@rednote.net using -f Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 16:03:22 -0500 From: Janina Sajka To: Mitchell Smith Message-ID: <20151204210322.GC1855@opera.rednote.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 4.2.6-200.fc22.x86_64 X-PGP-Key: http://rednote.net/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] TTSynth and other returning user questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 21:03:25 -0000 Hi, Mitchell: As you've discovered, ttsynth.com is no more. Capital Accessibility has also closed its doors. However, all the supporting software previously available at ttsynth.com is still available via: http://SpeakupModified.org/ttsynth hth Janina Mitchell Smith writes: > Hi List, > > I am returning to Orca after a couple of years away from it and I have a few returning user questions. > > * ttsynth.com is kind of broken? A while back I purchased a ttsynth license, and I just jumped on ttsynth.com to grab the packages, but all the links seem kind of broken, the page is still there but none of the links are clickable, if I click on capital accessibility who appears to own ttsynth.com I get a default WordPress page, have these guys gone out of business, and if so is there an alternate download location I can use with my existing license? > > * Desktop environments: so I’m starting with a Debian Jessie minimal install with no desktop environment installed yet, are there any recommendations which is the most accessible? should I stick with a basic gnome install or go for something a bit more light weight like XFCE? > > * Speech dispatcher: so obviously I want the most responsive speech possible, is speech dispatcher still the recommended approach? > > * Pulseaudio is it still evil? a few years back I remember it was good practice to kill off pulse audio, is that still best practice or should I leave it in place, on a similar thread should I install Jack, I know this is / was the default in Ubuntu Studio as it provided very low latency audio. > > I guess I could have just installed from Ubuntu 15.10 and had a ready-to-go desktop environment, but I use Debian everywhere else I may as well stick with it for now. > > All comments / feedback / suggestions are extremely welcome, and thanks in advance. > > Cheers, > > Mitch > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Email: janina@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf From glennervin@cableone.net Sat Dec 5 00:11:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89AD762C5 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 00:11:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.668 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.668 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, XPRIO=1.568] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NfNZMH2xRukY for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 00:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.cableone.net (mail.cableone.syn-alias.com [64.8.70.48]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305B7762A8 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 00:11:58 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=erLLz+ZX c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=U7bfKaHz65/HdiW4AR2U+w==:117 a=U7bfKaHz65/HdiW4AR2U+w==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=otLtsZP2AAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=xtLitJ3m4udnKuQkBgAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=EV0dDc3qANf6bAMXDjoA:9 a=4_JgvyNwgpy8T5oy:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: Z2xlbm5lcnZpbkBjYWJsZW9uZS5uZXQ= Authentication-Results: smtp02.cableone.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=glennervin; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [67.60.46.7] ([67.60.46.7:49705] helo=LennyAcer5720) by mail.cableone.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.6.45965 r(Core:3.6.6.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id BE/11-27793-FCB22665; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 19:12:00 -0500 Message-ID: <4988FE6731DF48BF91215A5F5DB2FC3E@LennyAcer5720> From: "Glenn" To: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 18:12:07 -0600 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0177_01D12EBF.492BBF10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 Subject: [orca-list] Virtual Box with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 00:11:59 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0177_01D12EBF.492BBF10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am looking for a virtual machine software program that is free, or if = not free, not expensive, which I know is a relative term. I looked at Vmware, but it looks like it is not free. I see that VirtualBox is free, but I don't know if it is going to work = with Orca. I plan on installing Ubuntu Mate 15 on the virtual machine. I have Ubuntu Mate on my thumb drive, but this laptop is challenging to = get it to boot to the thumb drive. Thanks for any information. Glenn ------=_NextPart_000_0177_01D12EBF.492BBF10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
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------=_NextPart_000_0177_01D12EBF.492BBF10-- From glennervin@cableone.net Sat Dec 5 03:04:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AEBB762C5 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 03:04:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.668 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.668 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, XPRIO=1.568] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nxn7KBOnULPF for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 03:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.cableone.net (mail.cableone.syn-alias.com [64.8.70.48]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD751762A8 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 03:04:30 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=erLLz+ZX c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=U7bfKaHz65/HdiW4AR2U+w==:117 a=U7bfKaHz65/HdiW4AR2U+w==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=otLtsZP2AAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=sejVPsSbTuSd2PaUutAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=eqca_sxHEBGmfzJcmakA:9 a=PL-9tXj4gPcJmllT:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: Z2xlbm5lcnZpbkBjYWJsZW9uZS5uZXQ= Authentication-Results: smtp02.cableone.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=glennervin; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [67.60.46.7] ([67.60.46.7:53527] helo=LennyAcer5720) by mail.cableone.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.6.45965 r(Core:3.6.6.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 7C/4D-27793-F3452665; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 22:04:32 -0500 Message-ID: <116818B168694D219BB7266EC277B207@LennyAcer5720> From: "Glenn" To: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:04:34 -0600 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01D12ED7.607FA740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 Subject: [orca-list] Virtual Box X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 03:04:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D12ED7.607FA740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I installed VirtualBox, and I tried installing a Linux OS. I selected the Ubuntu Mate 32 bit ISO I downloaded. I am guessing that is the way it is done, you select an ISO and the = virtual machine program extracts the OS from the ISO. Anyway, I could not tell if I was ever fully into Ubuntu, and I never = got Orca going, either with control + S, or alt + F2 and Orca. Has anyone here any experience with VirtualBox? I have a Windows 7 machine with 2 GB of RAM, and enough HD space. Thanks. Glenn ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D12ED7.607FA740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I installed VirtualBox, = and I tried=20 installing a Linux OS.
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I am guessing that is = the way it is=20 done, you select an ISO and the virtual machine program extracts the OS = from the=20 ISO.
Anyway, I could not = tell if I was=20 ever fully into Ubuntu, and I never got Orca going, either with control = + S, or=20 alt + F2 and Orca.
Has anyone here any = experience with=20 VirtualBox?
I have a Windows 7 = machine with 2 GB=20 of RAM, and enough HD space.
Thanks.
Glenn
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D12ED7.607FA740-- From burt1iband@gmail.com Sat Dec 5 03:14:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F288762C5 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 03:14:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qEM5Yw0iNu7m for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 03:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f42.google.com (mail-oi0-f42.google.com [209.85.218.42]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42703762A8 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 03:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oixx65 with SMTP id x65so76521030oix.0 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 19:14:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=ecafD23RIo685RgFW4Eht2Uooqt0pS8aPZdX/HQcV7M=; b=Ps2rJRU5I4+78DVW69aJTNKsrB3ptQU/XBvAakAag+zfdVE+e5Zs5HlmQlalNgbOEt eTFwLbsh9PFXFP9+Z9gj60sa6aOuL8Ew7kPhxv23dLHN0YjRu+RVO67+GZOiVjr2lzrl 9eIMBrz07KQqF8eibrci6JbvEOE9JXR7KnmCJO4rQh4UYrBivwaBquEKzp5QBDD3frfu hh5f3v9vpdXoFmlKb2DkRLY+AhQHF4fzRgTxKUAdtXZNzptnMqDya5dA63tjTKqLP/rJ VSrOZBHhkHQUpx3aQwI4AA1S1QeRb9MYMwsykCys1RKEnSzwF7Q3CQyoKgpJBoXZqP1x ljcw== X-Received: by 10.202.77.139 with SMTP id a133mr14665967oib.19.1449285240331; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 19:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.58.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ct9sm5593900oec.15.2015.12.04.19.13.59 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 04 Dec 2015 19:13:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:10:34 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151205031034.GK16561@gmail.com> References: <116818B168694D219BB7266EC277B207@LennyAcer5720> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <116818B168694D219BB7266EC277B207@LennyAcer5720> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Virtual Box X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 03:14:00 -0000 Only the command line interface for virtual box is accessible/usable with speech as far as I've ever heard. VMware player is what many use who want a GUI, qemu is also popular among blind folks running virtual machines. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Glenn wrote: Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 09:04:34PM -0600 > I installed VirtualBox, and I tried installing a Linux OS. > I selected the Ubuntu Mate 32 bit ISO I downloaded. > I am guessing that is the way it is done, you select an ISO and the > virtual machine program extracts the OS from the ISO. > Anyway, I could not tell if I was ever fully into Ubuntu, and I never got > Orca going, either with control + S, or alt + F2 and Orca. > Has anyone here any experience with VirtualBox? > I have a Windows 7 machine with 2 GB of RAM, and enough HD space. > Thanks. > Glenn > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From chaltain@gmail.com Sat Dec 5 04:32:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE71C762B3 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 04:32:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DeJpMlgRm4RB for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 04:32:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f43.google.com (mail-oi0-f43.google.com [209.85.218.43]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3386C762A8 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 04:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oixx65 with SMTP id x65so76961534oix.0 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 20:32:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=fuV3UFYYERKgfVFKK61UkLKak8nUtoTJ6o80nLfen8k=; b=yiJJtg+aKvnZFDab9bd7mO3Jl5yISQti0de+JF9Gn1DJ80kcI5iUJ3gAYkUL3NNgki VDiUYm1so51sm7qxYuSFqd4W7nfKvpH6GhcwabpaoCYw5Or61MWv2vHM1aPSGaNebCtw Fj9uoMc4xdlFINtNyqlw+oJ2sEHMSZgRnYlwtkmp+SbDu0vQkS/vSLTkF0qSJWNHBGM9 ia6vnnrqfYwnNoGSzMaLbLEUUCG1zMerRJD5BIc7gBTNb+3KxLCswldMs6Vl9oDwSFN/ atlFPSw4FiFUP03v5g2Ygd2pzPORpnf7affAwkLXdtWKlSdDZ9qbp/ATF4lHUhPKW+ld YYsw== X-Received: by 10.202.86.198 with SMTP id k189mr14994152oib.109.1449289921200; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 20:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (74-194-137-49.gtwncmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net. [74.194.137.49]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id s203sm7275887ois.29.2015.12.04.20.31.59 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 Dec 2015 20:32:00 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4988FE6731DF48BF91215A5F5DB2FC3E@LennyAcer5720> From: Christopher J Chaltain Message-ID: <566268BE.3030705@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 22:31:58 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4988FE6731DF48BF91215A5F5DB2FC3E@LennyAcer5720> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090003030509000505090800" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Virtual Box with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 04:32:02 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090003030509000505090800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VMware Player is free and accessible. I run it onb both Windows and Ubuntu, and I run both Ubuntu and Windows in virtual machines. On 12/04/2015 06:12 PM, Glenn wrote: > Hi, > I am looking for a virtual machine software program that is free, or > if not free, not expensive, which I know is a relative term. > I looked at Vmware, but it looks like it is not free. > I see that VirtualBox is free, but I don't know if it is going to work > with Orca. > I plan on installing Ubuntu Mate 15 on the virtual machine. > I have Ubuntu Mate on my thumb drive, but this laptop is challenging > to get it to boot to the thumb drive. > Thanks for any information. > Glenn > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- -- Christopher (CJ) Chaltain at Gmail --------------090003030509000505090800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit VMware Player is free and accessible. I run it onb both Windows and Ubuntu, and I run both Ubuntu and Windows in virtual machines.

On 12/04/2015 06:12 PM, Glenn wrote:
Hi,
I am looking for a virtual machine software program that is free, or if not free, not expensive, which I know is a relative term.
I looked at Vmware, but it looks like it is not free.
I see that VirtualBox is free, but I don't know if it is going to work with Orca.
I plan on installing Ubuntu Mate 15 on the virtual machine.
I have Ubuntu Mate on my thumb drive, but this laptop is challenging to get it to boot to the thumb drive.
Thanks for any information.
Glenn


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Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

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--------------090003030509000505090800-- From coffeekingms@gmail.com Sat Dec 5 05:09:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7A3762C5 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 05:09:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rjUiS2JizIWt for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 05:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDEC762B3 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 05:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbww6 with SMTP id ww6so86561659obb.0 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 21:09:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pMiUGfzTyH6fwxpbJaMxoolD3zunOrCqiE8pRggqXNw=; b=CTDuJVwCv93bgkdK2GMjfnJZtckjHNxLqBZZOacQsxhEtLV90KIrI+tGKAbTcWQk0x GtdkSFMVE98ffEfXTlJ0QM3ADK+qzuk4eKdFqoAC59n2EVg0f4GiDINx+MNbvBHSKDxS E1+0XT/ZjZF3sqmu7WwkOeFLdnp1+QkKQUu5AyTe+uq0L70WXx384FnY5olnXWJNv/73 2qA57ydXC8GUaba6RfPANt3POHp4+RzEjhyyKIC3ZHUwuOHNqMoQhElRNPQ4mu4t2qZF 5FOLB3YBlI9UQEQ7wD9mbwkck6aWtkWwg76UMf5db1/35AW3qOKLp7hbDIuTOw0Ml8qN OkEA== X-Received: by 10.60.67.104 with SMTP id m8mr15013656oet.37.1449292157754; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 21:09:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id y75sm7350361oie.6.2015.12.04.21.09.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 Dec 2015 21:09:17 -0800 (PST) To: Christopher J Chaltain , orca-list@gnome.org References: <4988FE6731DF48BF91215A5F5DB2FC3E@LennyAcer5720> <566268BE.3030705@gmail.com> From: kendell clark Message-ID: <5662717B.3010208@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 23:09:15 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <566268BE.3030705@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Virtual Box with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 05:09:17 -0000 hi Virtualbox is nearly completely accessible with orca. It's qt4, so can still be a little quirky, but the menus read, all the dialog boxes read, etc. The one thing that does not read is the list of vm's. This has been the case for as long as I've been on linux. I'm not at all sure why. Vmware player is an option but can be a hassle to maintain if you're on an arch based distro. Since you're on ubuntu this shouldn't be a problem though. There's also gnome boxes, although if you're used to the "seemless" functions like clipboard sharing and hardware passthrough, gnome boxes doesn't support that stuff yet, although I hear it's being worked on Thanks Kendell clark On 12/04/2015 10:31 PM, Christopher J Chaltain wrote: > VMware Player is free and accessible. I run it onb both Windows and > Ubuntu, and I run both Ubuntu and Windows in virtual machines. > > On 12/04/2015 06:12 PM, Glenn wrote: >> Hi, >> I am looking for a virtual machine software program that is free, or >> if not free, not expensive, which I know is a relative term. >> I looked at Vmware, but it looks like it is not free. >> I see that VirtualBox is free, but I don't know if it is going to work >> with Orca. >> I plan on installing Ubuntu Mate 15 on the virtual machine. >> I have Ubuntu Mate on my thumb drive, but this laptop is challenging >> to get it to boot to the thumb drive. >> Thanks for any information. >> >> Glenn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > -- > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > Chaltain at Gmail > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From coffeekingms@gmail.com Sat Dec 5 08:48:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0702676A09 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 08:48:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Pii-GlzowxA for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 08:48:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f42.google.com (mail-oi0-f42.google.com [209.85.218.42]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FCD676A07 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 08:48:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oige206 with SMTP id e206so78348304oig.2 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 00:48:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RtyqUEz3Qg2FKLJfOasgN7kwe88FQjLxbBrDJ9hWZO4=; b=lXWjgw6S58TJBVbPskAV8o9T04+QIrL6fU8HCeyrS48rlmUjBukO9OE2fOoOliG17Q TUiEDLpWIOBOi0IY/yvMNVJzS+tkTutAr3DGMXcZEAAbK3/bBnZZ0nYic1Y0a6gelyi+ ub8Payacw5LhrpTiAPDeo7mcyVv7f//jRfCQJMT+zooCQVYzVgFguJ9lVepb+0kQocKZ wSdqeVRof/aZAvY0FHXy0EspC+zmj0Z2Aj/cEA+481Z6pV42nG49lLdTTudtbCXqATGj 9lUPasl+Bbw/6jo0dlY8u94USMmSOV9ZTdz7FfNL3DBEJviVUVpC+McbUack9VMYNH6I C8+w== X-Received: by 10.202.188.66 with SMTP id m63mr15117101oif.127.1449305284591; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 00:48:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id s133sm7538911oie.16.2015.12.05.00.48.03 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 05 Dec 2015 00:48:04 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list From: kendell clark Message-ID: <5662A4C3.3080809@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 02:48:03 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] punctuation editor? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 08:48:04 -0000 hi all I've been getting some emails and private messages on irc from russian users saying that orca mispronounces some of the names of punctuation characters. I wasn't told which ones, so I can't say which exact ones were the problem. But they've been repeatedly asking for a punctuation editor, probably so they can change the names themselves. Is this at all feasable? I've tried some simple tests, changing the names of punctuation characters in the pronunciation dictionary, but to no avail. It's as if orca can't change those characters, though it accepts them and adds them to the dictionary. What do you guys think? I'm in favor of this myself, even though I likely won't use it. It's one less for people to use as a "why nvda is better than orca" argument, for one thing, but it could be useful in some corner cases. Thanks Kendell clark From jdiggs@igalia.com Sat Dec 5 08:50:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836A47635B for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 08:50:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21Hifr0UteA3 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 08:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258E4762B3 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 08:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from maestria.local.igalia.com ([192.168.10.14] helo=mail.igalia.com) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim) id 1a58YS-0006y5-Lo for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 09:50:56 +0100 Received: from webmail.local.igalia.com ([192.168.10.123] helo=webmail.igalia.com) by mail.igalia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim) id 1a58YS-0003Hq-Gt for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 09:50:56 +0100 Received: from www-data by webmail.igalia.com with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1a58YN-0002Qi-5D for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 09:50:51 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 33:rcmail.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 03:50:50 -0500 From: Joanmarie Diggs In-Reply-To: <5662A4C3.3080809@gmail.com> References: <5662A4C3.3080809@gmail.com> Message-ID: X-Sender: jdiggs@igalia.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.5 Subject: Re: [orca-list] =?utf-8?q?punctuation_editor=3F?= X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 08:50:57 -0000 This is already on my todo list. --joanie On 2015-12-05 03:48, kendell clark wrote: > hi all > I've been getting some emails and private messages on irc from russian > users saying that orca mispronounces some of the names of punctuation > characters. I wasn't told which ones, so I can't say which exact ones > were the problem. But they've been repeatedly asking for a punctuation > editor, probably so they can change the names themselves. Is this at > all > feasable? I've tried some simple tests, changing the names of > punctuation characters in the pronunciation dictionary, but to no > avail. > It's as if orca can't change those characters, though it accepts them > and adds them to the dictionary. What do you guys think? I'm in favor > of > this myself, even though I likely won't use it. It's one less for > people > to use as a "why nvda is better than orca" argument, for one thing, but > it could be useful in some corner cases. > Thanks > Kendell clark > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From krecoun@gmail.com Sat Dec 5 10:11:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852AF768B1 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 10:11:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HOtq9DjYpBP1 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 10:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f41.google.com (mail-wm0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5483D762B3 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 10:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wmuu63 with SMTP id u63so89253893wmu.0 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 02:11:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:disposition-notification-to :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xpYSA5xHGAdbq40dqprFkzfuZrev6HUKUhhxmmRxu5Q=; b=b0vaNLF28OfrEKTYAZcLOlnK+w/giLQJyBVPydM6XIktfRZLldlDu3WJYjVq2K90oA m/zCvfOaDIOgiNVrMuSdrjcJmaw6YzO65A4TKprJ0syrfIvYfiolu7+hn91dFJnCP+IX jsoIeij69iFr1v4ifuGx/01y/GSrRS0Qjebbfc1ufxm4DFdsbxPjjfrZ+cJyxOWQ3Y9B Z/c0gKEH5S37ChC+EIj4315rsriblapg4FOhPgp8bLAo79iNI4WFFLhQqyEOoofzU1du S50djzP8lsgZ4JgQXMGbqKPBRN75U53aGnDe7DBYLQ+0YlyIbhl6/iOLE2On3IjGGMno Mynw== X-Received: by 10.28.126.215 with SMTP id z206mr10194816wmc.71.1449310275458; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 02:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (ip-89-177-135-49.net.upcbroadband.cz. [89.177.135.49]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id hw1sm15874688wjb.6.2015.12.05.02.11.14 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 05 Dec 2015 02:11:14 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <116818B168694D219BB7266EC277B207@LennyAcer5720> <20151205031034.GK16561@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= Message-ID: <5662B841.2090206@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:11:13 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151205031034.GK16561@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Virtual Box X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 10:11:15 -0000 Hi, I have to disagree with you. Virtualbox is prety accessible also with GUI. I think that it is more accessible on Linux than on Windows, but I used it on Windows as well. The problem with virtual machines is, that sometimes live media get their volume set very low and you can not hear it. The best bet is to have someone sighted check the screen for you. And why are you going with Ubuntu and not for example Sonar? I ask because I am not sure about accessibility of Ubuntu mate. Best regards, Vojta Dne 5.12.2015 v 04:10 B. Henry napsal(a): > Only the command line interface for virtual box is accessible/usable with speech as far as I've ever heard. > VMware player is what many use who want a GUI, qemu is also popular among blind folks running virtual machines. > > From coffeekingms@gmail.com Sat Dec 5 10:41:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31468768B1 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 10:41:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3of4gbM18k1z for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 10:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f176.google.com (mail-ob0-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06042762B3 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 10:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obciw8 with SMTP id iw8so1041347obc.1 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 02:41:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nwOgGTqhLhIysllSguqL8liqWrr6JIeSZH+BERPEnGY=; b=h1CwkX3yQPph5mEFc6F0dzV2zoT3v2cruVMXB7owXD3JH+eMTr2ivBMGl3McC8WtXG i+0BMX3eLyXnrqNPcoAgASycMyqE+4R527VD94MERa55LtgDnKLRhb8VIX1cre30jLgH vfptdSxFT6fLXLQhZRBBnzRj23VXd61s9nRrXPcaq8PbjTpYWzXAzhQJc7cN3iNT7UKe gehezGspYg+BeMLKHmoXDNr6oKWb54+K/niHlYyFp4zL0IT8Es05G9EbPCojtTNhKbgZ oQiDKCRgVIb4cnvNTKpaF9ByKh+zQlvtGp9337Ppv3+MlGrvjqHwLwlIH5W5UAuqRhhl UXiQ== X-Received: by 10.182.61.107 with SMTP id o11mr12621414obr.68.1449312118220; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 02:41:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (74-196-119-242.mnolcmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net. [74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id k136sm7699455oib.24.2015.12.05.02.41.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 05 Dec 2015 02:41:57 -0800 (PST) To: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= , orca-list@gnome.org References: <116818B168694D219BB7266EC277B207@LennyAcer5720> <20151205031034.GK16561@gmail.com> <5662B841.2090206@gmail.com> From: kendell clark Message-ID: <5662BF74.6010705@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 04:41:56 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5662B841.2090206@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Virtual Box X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 10:41:59 -0000 hi Ubuntu mate is accessible out of the box. Just press alt+windows+s and off you go. Thanks Kendell clark On 12/05/2015 04:11 AM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: > Hi, > I have to disagree with you. Virtualbox is prety accessible also with > GUI. I think that it is more accessible on Linux than on Windows, but I > used it on Windows as well. > The problem with virtual machines is, that sometimes live media get > their volume set very low and you can not hear it. The best bet is to > have someone sighted check the screen for you. And why are you going > with Ubuntu and not for example Sonar? I ask because I am not sure about > accessibility of Ubuntu mate. > Best regards, > Vojta > > Dne 5.12.2015 v 04:10 B. Henry napsal(a): >> Only the command line interface for virtual box is accessible/usable with speech as far as I've ever heard. >> VMware player is what many use who want a GUI, qemu is also popular among blind folks running virtual machines. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From coffeekingms@gmail.com Sat Dec 5 11:57:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EFD765C7 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:57:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wcrU7O8gw8YJ for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f44.google.com (mail-oi0-f44.google.com [209.85.218.44]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47F9762C2 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oies6 with SMTP id s6so80200906oie.1 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 03:57:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HvVeeZ1HALzEeKjFlXit1mZnniXN5rpiU91lfWvL7FE=; b=aWJHbd+PLiaNMcJNE0vHnIdznRU0Efux0/4GeDJ73g7NoBt/Neebmrfy6E8GbmP01a xf/MWviVhg/vBAFnSQ6PwobDT1H9tesACVU1Z9QWRacL+EQ797Oi1HbUnKAlW4cewL3a 7EHlcn4Mvys1HBDXT+B6Kdloh/iS4ddI0flZQdQZBf5R9B7LCbmjbXqoAOHonKAlXYxB eJRL6AqwRle8epT9Y6tnT4IVhZc5SoNrxyzHy7MYDC/vlCVaHp2bv0aABUVgy4lQgPs0 8iSeNA7fCg9kJ5ReyjzH0TLrM5Yyfw/JjwQtdgDVNGiGiT49ddzzKdJNEBlBvFuXf2iq /DSQ== X-Received: by 10.202.214.131 with SMTP id n125mr14092531oig.104.1449316645630; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 03:57:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (74-196-119-242.mnolcmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net. [74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id o63sm7725587oif.21.2015.12.05.03.57.25 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 05 Dec 2015 03:57:25 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list From: kendell clark X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <5662D124.90801@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 05:57:24 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] a few miscellaneous issues to report X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:57:25 -0000 hi all This is just a list of the issues I've noticed in orca master so far. They're miscellaneous because most are related to mate's gtk3 port. but one is related ... I'm not sure if it's firefox or not. First, orca seems to get stuck in mate's panel. I've already sent joanie a debug log on this and it looks like after one of my applets, orca seems to lose focus on the panel and will no longer read it. I think the panel itself is responsible, but I'm not entirely sure if this is orca or not. Second, it is impossible to access applications run as rootwith orca. This is going to be a tricky one to solve, but if joanie wants, I can provide a debug log from mate, where this doesn't work and a debug log from gnome, where it does. These next issues aren't mate related. Sometimes, when orca encounters a slider, it will say the current value but not the percentage associated with it. That's a little vague, so I'll elaborate. In gnome, press control+alt+tab to get to the top panel. Go down to system and expand it. You'll land on the volume slider. On my system, orca says volume: slider 0.4. Pressing the where am I shortcut gets me volume slider 0.4 37 percent. Is there a reason the where am I is needed? I'm only curious, it's no big deal. The last issue is that when reading in say all, if the volume keys are pressed, orca seems to get interrupted, instead of continuing to read. My guess is that there is a pop up window on screen which displays teh new volume. Would it be possible for orca to read these natively or, if not, to ignore them and continue reading? I'm no expert but I would guess the pop up is claiming focus and orca is just doing what it's supposed to do. Thanks Kendell clark From vsmiro@seznam.cz Sat Dec 5 14:22:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBFE76A07 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 14:22:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.691 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.691 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hwRJestTQm5c for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 14:22:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 674 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 14:22:26 UTC Received: from mxs1.seznam.cz (mxs1.seznam.cz [77.75.78.125]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15652762C2 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 14:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.seznam.cz by email-smtpc11a.ko.seznam.cz (email-smtpc11a.ko.seznam.cz [10.53.11.75]) id 2970ebde3ce8b884289a1ac2; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 15:22:26 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seznam.cz; s=beta; t=1449325346; bh=Kg3SQCsbxCm/hZ3F7Gm1srOmRZAHNOinZUY39v4qDxs=; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer: Content-Type; b=FHbqxA/yF3osk4O/uFTukcNjPEkG5pg8WpwZRrXIDQCIGwcBPOmDyQ2tflMDGDZp8 7K/xBFgeHJpAeAVky7ndq4EvpTCRYbwpyEudyAO/iLAJ8NJXRaCR2+9En+98v5cPLx 86A5eFi4QA0kgxQ5LQSHCJVyNxGbb5WEYJVKOJGQ= Received: from host-213-235-142-85.ip.topnet.cz (host-213-235-142-85.ip.topnet.cz [213.235.142.85]) by email.seznam.cz (szn-ebox-4.5.74) with HTTP; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 15:11:09 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?q?Vojt=C4=9Bch_=C5=A0miro?= To: Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 15:11:09 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (szn-mime-2.0.10) X-Mailer: szn-ebox-4.5.74 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_11d3a152166a3c0f229e6ac6=a25c836f-5687-5e15-ab5a-af4fd9329ed0_=" Subject: [orca-list] Nuance voices in Linux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 14:22:28 -0000 --=_11d3a152166a3c0f229e6ac6=a25c836f-5687-5e15-ab5a-af4fd9329ed0_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= Hello. =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Is some way to purchase or try Nuance voices for Linux, for some =0A= distribution? 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= --=_11d3a152166a3c0f229e6ac6=a25c836f-5687-5e15-ab5a-af4fd9329ed0_=-- From burt1iband@gmail.com Sat Dec 5 18:18:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B4276A41 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:18:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BHECkgHnP0bC for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942477694A for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obciw8 with SMTP id iw8so4658675obc.1 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 10:18:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=f4yiEuTsWA/05+R8LIAN8GtRPYmkwiAUlDheYJC1xaM=; b=URAK+AKNe5M7DNeE07w1+tI+3u7fanm8X5mfmZfStRFRXhR9hJvoskjJgH3Y30fa2N AK7v/lyt47+TiKNQTqFyjjexAf44dcLAES1jeHS5MzNDFs/IMrQVI8kE54G/4NxYlF6l fGi12KNa3n74AlmPEtTlhmw+l3hrLhTWrZe5MGmLtqA9TO4bDeVYjjQbAcb3Z5/rH13c jRgZGztXmYm4O/14XE90r50StT2uEyoJtlA/vsCSftj9NBq2daTXCkR3d4BxR7Tp5Z0w 4Y/oGjMFNvoSHCrB0+90ACvjYhdYbj3ATDCBveqgqxdv041+WyBqMFVlp9mfzOBXVA+l IFAg== X-Received: by 10.182.18.105 with SMTP id v9mr13945443obd.59.1449339515717; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 10:18:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.58.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id qk2sm8178202oeb.7.2015.12.05.10.18.34 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 05 Dec 2015 10:18:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 12:15:08 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: =?utf-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggxaBtaXJv?= , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151205181508.GS16561@gmail.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Nuance voices in Linux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 18:18:36 -0000 The ibmtts is the same voice called eloquence in windows. It was, maybe still is owned by nuance. It is marketed as voxin for Linux and is available from oralux. You can also get it for English from the Vinux project, and I believe Spanish and Portuguese from the F123 folks. It is a bit confusing as when configuring speech-dispatcher it is called ibmtts. As for other voices it would probably take some doing that would probably include someone writing a speech-dispatcher module and buying licenses in bulk to resell, i.e. time and money, not to mention the organization of a website to resell said licenses and distribute the actual software. SSSSomeone who knows more about and hopefullly has personal experience using the other voices that can be purchased from sextrol and another company that slips my mind might chime in with information. Those voices do have samples on their websites, but not sure about how well they actually work at this time, or how well they ever worked on Linux for that matter. The voxin voices do generally work quite well. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Vojtěch Šmiro wrote: Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 03:11:09PM +0100 > Hello. > > Is some way to purchase or try Nuance voices for Linux, for some > distribution? If it is not now, is some hope to have it in future What is > your opinion? Vocalizer TTS would not be bad for us. > > Thanks for your replies. > > Best regards > > Vojta. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From burt1iband@gmail.com Sat Dec 5 18:25:02 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8EFF76A41 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:25:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r6TnWK2Ksiwk for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f170.google.com (mail-ob0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348B276A32 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbww6 with SMTP id ww6so92558219obb.0 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 10:25:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=B6VGPA+YTWCaMBAiIB4nEMZKj+Q2y9RUy3s5aLpwxOo=; b=bM9KqExF9+45IkCUdygtUlhmmQiiL4crgR6QQVkh/OPDGZ9TkoFxyzsXNe69DpFL+y 8C+WwFzVcfYGUa1PjLIs4hqUHAEijP6QngzgxAv/EM6Q0WkDV0Y8AhZaCS9fHxBkTZqa cHTzu1AzWsBWd0uaFmmdZ8uM5R8qbhx5AjDbYfF4MQS+tzZaY5LBaCj7U2tmjEc+6vkI T9pJR1NE66DOsYwvtTmC8m2EsykBODezvEJsp848Q5Xsov2o3MgSmVLqiFSCkF9CuDz2 hKIRQt01Xpo+sPfXI7XVHtG+xSsy9iGtE2tiBNZ8XQveMX44aNRoFMAXttDXBT6YZB/m re8g== X-Received: by 10.60.73.71 with SMTP id j7mr17510892oev.16.1449339902472; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 10:25:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.58.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k136sm8322065oib.24.2015.12.05.10.25.01 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 05 Dec 2015 10:25:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 12:21:36 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151205182136.GT16561@gmail.com> References: <5662A4C3.3080809@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5662A4C3.3080809@gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] punctuation editor? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 18:25:02 -0000 Yes, I think this is a very good idea, and I'm happy to hear it's on the to do list. Many people prefer an alternative name for one or more of the punctuation characters, e.g. hash number or number sign, exclamation, bang, etc., and the & sign are just a few that come to mind. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 kendell clark wrote: Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 02:48:03AM -0600 > hi all > I've been getting some emails and private messages on irc from russian > users saying that orca mispronounces some of the names of punctuation > characters. I wasn't told which ones, so I can't say which exact ones > were the problem. But they've been repeatedly asking for a punctuation > editor, probably so they can change the names themselves. Is this at all > feasable? I've tried some simple tests, changing the names of > punctuation characters in the pronunciation dictionary, but to no avail. > It's as if orca can't change those characters, though it accepts them > and adds them to the dictionary. What do you guys think? I'm in favor of > this myself, even though I likely won't use it. It's one less for people > to use as a "why nvda is better than orca" argument, for one thing, but > it could be useful in some corner cases. > Thanks > Kendell clark > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From burt1iband@gmail.com Sat Dec 5 18:30:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A7576A7C for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:30:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XUwx-L8LiNhE for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04B576A51 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 18:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcse5 with SMTP id se5so89272124obc.3 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 10:30:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=rTfLggyU7GGSKJ9bgb0Pcz32sAmi5Iq9dBvjjr5PaA8=; b=iI29sQThoazhUFLSstMSI2AV02Xrr2y+z0SHk1rLM6srQi1CVHDu7g+ubiqH1osTio LY2eJ+VCiFf4GhfY7AqhnJ9Gz+MyCdpkCbd8Fa4vZlWqafDTdqOfWgnAD73WaEWV+ytF qjP0i1US19fn7Nb7Ytl3na/Svw2/ZqwR6w/UOxPqoia3Ov4LCP9vr7GlJ+XjwApJSxLL SXZhj8crI7gqbyHb9OTI0kP+A08662edFVd8Vybh3Z2q18w/olTadzov+oy/dH+6Q8Iz nIrj5A7hB1CvROJxsZ6nTlxxXFGxI2zCb3c6ha4uatW0fx4c51SXiuF8lRp6hrproSU3 JNug== X-Received: by 10.60.77.97 with SMTP id r1mr16839164oew.82.1449340251263; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 10:30:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.58.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j7sm8169321oeq.0.2015.12.05.10.30.49 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 05 Dec 2015 10:30:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 12:27:23 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: kendell clark , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151205182723.GU16561@gmail.com> References: <4988FE6731DF48BF91215A5F5DB2FC3E@LennyAcer5720> <566268BE.3030705@gmail.com> <5662717B.3010208@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5662717B.3010208@gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Virtual Box with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 18:30:51 -0000 This is good news. I'd honestly not ever tried virtual box as I'd been told it was not accessible on Linux back in 2010. The virtual box CLI is supposed to be quite good actually, so a pretty good GUI along with a powerful CLI makes VB sound quite atractive. On Ubuntu vmware player was quite good the time I used it running a virtual windows from vinux 3.x. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 kendell clark wrote: Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 11:09:15PM -0600 > hi > Virtualbox is nearly completely accessible with orca. It's qt4, so can > still be a little quirky, but the menus read, all the dialog boxes read, > etc. The one thing that does not read is the list of vm's. This has been > the case for as long as I've been on linux. I'm not at all sure why. > Vmware player is an option but can be a hassle to maintain if you're on > an arch based distro. Since you're on ubuntu this shouldn't be a problem > though. There's also gnome boxes, although if you're used to the > "seemless" functions like clipboard sharing and hardware passthrough, > gnome boxes doesn't support that stuff yet, although I hear it's being > worked on > Thanks > Kendell clark > > > On 12/04/2015 10:31 PM, Christopher J Chaltain wrote: > > VMware Player is free and accessible. I run it onb both Windows and > > Ubuntu, and I run both Ubuntu and Windows in virtual machines. > > > > On 12/04/2015 06:12 PM, Glenn wrote: > >> Hi, > >> I am looking for a virtual machine software program that is free, or > >> if not free, not expensive, which I know is a relative term. > >> I looked at Vmware, but it looks like it is not free. > >> I see that VirtualBox is free, but I don't know if it is going to work > >> with Orca. > >> I plan on installing Ubuntu Mate 15 on the virtual machine. > >> I have Ubuntu Mate on my thumb drive, but this laptop is challenging > >> to get it to boot to the thumb drive. > >> Thanks for any information. > >> > >> Glenn > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > -- > > > > -- > > Christopher (CJ) > > Chaltain at Gmail > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From burt1iband@gmail.com Sat Dec 5 20:01:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4A776A0F for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 20:01:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fm_tf5Zn0orf for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 20:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com (mail-ob0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64CA768FD for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 20:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbnk6 with SMTP id nk6so93304734obb.2 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 12:01:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=qSbT6/Gbo7DAgvq5Inb0E3Ywv7o3a0BFR0/EKmRBuh4=; b=rdHN4XPLDKdH6yp6gGuW8cn30vrTgzOzr0u75jaiQOfwlGJCu9mv4RtubOZMqNVdyi y/gwrtWN7PzRxaZNaIHdUkn7Rv+yo8XTbCLGMVJtJyxjY721eK9YgmI9yWRwypuzYMDy mmafoNJp6GQ8T4Z8ar617eEUqVLu2LhLBlJ7SarBLJ73ZIPvlqI4C58LXZ6JqMqpA0Mb lYXlrkmuRCxFcsDnfZyKkRVw606vRAn8lst0v4Q3r1NjtpIB+w8TwKlFmbkG9V9PjwhQ FgY03QyglHbKSpDTN7VMPaBtkPN3NqarzJrOqBpRI6q6pEJXeeWE+sUcK+Wb26wIZM2d f92A== X-Received: by 10.60.43.170 with SMTP id x10mr11186254oel.68.1449345700872; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 12:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.58.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a77sm8491006oic.8.2015.12.05.12.01.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 05 Dec 2015 12:01:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 13:58:13 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: =?utf-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggxaBtaXJv?= , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151205195813.GX16561@gmail.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FN+gV9K+162wdwwF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Nuance voices in Linux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 20:01:40 -0000 --FN+gV9K+162wdwwF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is no Czech voice as far as I know for the ibmtts, not on Windows eit= her. This synth has not been developed for many years, so in short, no. One of the other synths may have a voice in your language, but I do not rem= ember seeing it. I think there are festival voices that speak Czech language, but I have nev= er gotten festival working with orca. Others should be able to help with=20 this, and or can recommend a good voice.=20 --=20 B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Vojt=C4=9Bch =C5=A0miro wrote: Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 07:46:43PM +0100 > Hello. >=20 > And what about Czech voices? Will it be later? >=20 > Vojta. >=20 > -------- P=C5=AFvodn=C3=AD zpr=C3=A1va -------- > Od: B. Henry > Datum: 5.12.2015 > P=C5=99edm=C4=9Bt: Re: [orca-list] Nuance voices in Linux >=20 > The ibmtts is the same voice called eloquence in windows. It was, maybe > still is owned by nuance. It is marketed as voxin for Linux and is > available from oralux. You can also get it for English from the Vinux > project, and I believe Spanish and Portuguese from the F123 folks. It = is a > bit confusing as when configuring speech-dispatcher it is called ibmtt= s. > As for other voices it would probably take some doing that would proba= bly > include someone writing a speech-dispatcher module and buying licenses= in > bulk to resell, i.e. time and money, not to mention the organization o= f a > website to resell said licenses and distribute the actual software. > SSSSomeone who knows more about and hopefullly has personal experience > using the other voices that can be purchased from sextrol and another > company that slips my mind might chime in with information. Those voic= es > do have samples on their websites, but not sure about how well they > actually work at this time, or how well they ever worked on Linux for = that > matter. The voxin voices do generally work quite well. -- B.H. Registe= rd > Linux User 521886 Vojt=C4=9Bch =C5=A0miro wrote: Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at = 03:11:09PM > +0100 > Hello. > > Is some way to purchase or try Nuance voices for Li= nux, > for some > distribution? If it is not now, is some hope to have it in > future What is > your opinion? Vocalizer TTS would not be bad for us. = > > > Thanks for your replies. > > Best regards > > Vojta. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing li= st > > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-lis= t > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: > https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access gui= de: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and > feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --FN+gV9K+162wdwwF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJPBAABCAA5BQJWY0HVMhSAAAAAABUAFHBrYS1hZGRyZXNzQGdudXBnLm9yZ2J1 cnQxaWJhbmRAZ21haWwuY29tAAoJEKHT61Icujg3WlUP+wdLZ0Ya6KjLfYTIsKKi k63ZRnrxn7RGWR12diJYGSoBgCN1wdsUXGL37T8QBn1MmkXakcbUPROxGreV0qE5 kvqrSHSrSt5mGAU/a8p/uG62bGw/NO6pYbzRRwIn30NGsph/B6YzUE1o8lT/KO+x w+1uRlbNp3XEm51aixmaC3j91DaTV/xE1PIPwbokcXA9mcyOS2z3Owtw4tzcO/gA Sg7jzk2ORi3fqHrgAe4BmKT/vcs/39KKxSZw3fnIQW6TruY9gfexdHWDJ4vWpbfu mpSiPXeBufJtdNlro9re2iFkgp8wXWPNCZInT86t6cMox0IZpIKIR+FqhY2imPqi J/ouOHPNBDXj2WvWwjC135yRj4ea5h4TKeDC5NQBvsW5xPMNhkWUJ65KAuAglgOz j+fm74mjh0HHX7Ghn73aV7qyRcyRdyGIHvhJcIvgRsa3ebXvVykqzHW2dbbrnclT mfZK8EW3TZtkiGBgfFWvYnbOMjxIsFda74CHbcRTtxu51DqIphp5c6jPF63siHHY zEk/QtsokKV41J5VPeC9dpXGebu67UoU0rMEAy8GABFQMep10Aue67M+RWZeJnbN 7XBzcvvVQ9uD5Y0vWrtoKqQwUnsh6qMndul9+tq0vyf0K9zAn2RAEk7whlX6cDK5 GOibnsgzVsCoSIysb28ls5kl =EHya -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FN+gV9K+162wdwwF-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Sun Dec 6 05:58:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CBE76A32 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 05:58:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FmeZ4HNsRlEJ for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 05:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766F1762A8 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 05:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [209.95.50.91] (helo=[10.132.1.6]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim) id 1a5SLC-00026o-6e; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 06:58:34 +0100 To: kendell clark References: <5662D124.90801@gmail.com> From: Joanmarie Diggs X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <5663CE7D.5000607@igalia.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 06:58:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5662D124.90801@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] a few miscellaneous issues to report X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 05:58:36 -0000 Hi Kendell. On 12/05/2015 12:57 PM, kendell clark wrote: > one is related ... I'm not sure if it's firefox or not. First, orca > seems to get stuck in mate's panel. I've already sent joanie a debug log > on this and it looks like after one of my applets, orca seems to lose > focus on the panel and will no longer read it. I thought I responded already in great detail privately with suggestions for you to try -- all of which, however, were designed to help you work with the MATE developers because it appears that keyboard focus is stuck (and would be for all keyboard users) or accessibility support is broken (no events). To be clear: From what you have shared with me: Not Orca. Cannot be worked around in Orca. > Second, it is impossible to access applications run as rootwith orca. That means Orca is not getting accessibility events. No events means nothing for Orca to present. Because a debug.out shows events Orca gets and how Orca responds to those events, sending me a debug.out from the problem you describe will not be helpful as it will simply confirm no events. Conclusion: Not Orca. Cannot be worked around in Orca. > Sometimes, when orca encounters a slider, it will say the current value > but not the percentage associated with it. Conclusion: Design decision. If everyone thinks that Orca should present both, I can modify Orca to do so. No debug.out is needed. > The last issue is that > when reading in say all, if the volume keys are pressed, orca seems to > get interrupted, instead of continuing to read. My guess is that there > is a pop up window on screen which displays teh new volume. Your guess is correct. Making SayAll continue reading even though something else has popped up may be a possibility. I'll look into it. --joanie From coffeekingms@gmail.com Sun Dec 6 06:03:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE5276A32 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 06:03:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RPh-TCdrY-cQ for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 06:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5FE762A8 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 06:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcse5 with SMTP id se5so93905728obc.3 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 22:03:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vJiGXzcphITnSbR4gIKCl2yFraNEE/VRuNDwsIyvuBs=; b=U4TFSpb6IUDhWtT2p03kHCsEQ/+eUexpsoLnu944P19mkqScs7O5sNNG2mpCuta1p1 P3MFWfF5Bor4/cfkNL2arD0wNF0jp0Aeq+/DP8jJt4iqse0xs54xZyCw0LkV1XJGPlTo PAsQMRXRZMw0YEwDZVGr8G/FCoUvMb9i8lKDGyRXF1jABqDMZ2ChhjpPlNsP+zznMJwG xs3u0fA+00i585MatNjCa7XkYYlemyWNcjbJhEOfzEBXPYx6aqGRQapoAbHHINZ/Q/kK 1LePzcNerf199E3MbsCKkJH7m158Qj/tPXeL+DdF5yd8jXWr09/PoOtVZGMHU20ct/FU Hk7w== X-Received: by 10.182.65.138 with SMTP id x10mr14878052obs.39.1449381813080; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 22:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (74-196-119-242.mnolcmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net. [74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id ur2sm9374763obc.11.2015.12.05.22.03.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 05 Dec 2015 22:03:32 -0800 (PST) To: Joanmarie Diggs References: <5662D124.90801@gmail.com> <5663CE7D.5000607@igalia.com> From: kendell clark Message-ID: <5663CFB3.6030303@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 00:03:31 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5663CE7D.5000607@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] a few miscellaneous issues to report X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 06:03:33 -0000 hi Yup, you did and I reported all of them to them on github. I'm only reporting it hear to see if anyone else has it or if it's something unique to my panel config, which is one large bottom panel, rather than the usual one on top and one on bottom Thanks Kendell clark On 12/05/2015 11:58 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi Kendell. > > On 12/05/2015 12:57 PM, kendell clark wrote: > >> one is related ... I'm not sure if it's firefox or not. First, orca >> seems to get stuck in mate's panel. I've already sent joanie a debug log >> on this and it looks like after one of my applets, orca seems to lose >> focus on the panel and will no longer read it. > > I thought I responded already in great detail privately with suggestions > for you to try -- all of which, however, were designed to help you work > with the MATE developers because it appears that keyboard focus is stuck > (and would be for all keyboard users) or accessibility support is broken > (no events). > > To be clear: From what you have shared with me: Not Orca. Cannot be > worked around in Orca. > >> Second, it is impossible to access applications run as rootwith orca. > > That means Orca is not getting accessibility events. No events means > nothing for Orca to present. Because a debug.out shows events Orca gets > and how Orca responds to those events, sending me a debug.out from the > problem you describe will not be helpful as it will simply confirm no > events. > > Conclusion: Not Orca. Cannot be worked around in Orca. > >> Sometimes, when orca encounters a slider, it will say the current value >> but not the percentage associated with it. > > Conclusion: Design decision. If everyone thinks that Orca should present > both, I can modify Orca to do so. No debug.out is needed. > >> The last issue is that >> when reading in say all, if the volume keys are pressed, orca seems to >> get interrupted, instead of continuing to read. My guess is that there >> is a pop up window on screen which displays teh new volume. > > Your guess is correct. Making SayAll continue reading even though > something else has popped up may be a possibility. 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However reading the line by itself Orca announces 19 equals characters as the expected behaviour should be. thanks Rob From krecoun@gmail.com Sun Dec 6 09:28:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FC4762A8 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 09:28:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XXHS6l0WslMg for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 09:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f51.google.com (mail-wm0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582CF7625D for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 09:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wmww144 with SMTP id w144so114978669wmw.0 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 01:28:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:disposition-notification-to :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tEUYLpGENaBffyRu15aKbYtT8/JvXiPfAt1Mcl4O6+4=; b=lILCqjsk4rQ0YPvwVHN61Cn/RCj77ouVPw3H+kImxg5TfD2VpBKzCZzm233DA6YLAh gbh1pze6iXZMXoEP0YAtE69fCD5KR8muWanQKRJMgN2F1CuiFbLKgZx4IS2SShZddL/q QDp2Sb4gG5exvmf10+mO0D3YAz5JqN29mcBeipmzdRcG+XZeCz4mvhQ0fg5wsJi2MjTD 9MMW3tTlsG96Dxt4nANddj0AI3AMQ8Fucjk4qjA/x5+2bUkUkWvqY0YJHmhHwwHFMgZ7 rrxvvEcX1KGF5irZC03hhxnZFTfW7pFcC2fzSBP7l6ZBatNUOc1I8Btz6Dfg1FTLaH+T V2eg== X-Received: by 10.28.226.11 with SMTP id z11mr15379044wmg.56.1449394116293; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 01:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (ip-89-177-135-49.net.upcbroadband.cz. [89.177.135.49]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id q6sm19734328wjx.28.2015.12.06.01.28.35 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Dec 2015 01:28:35 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5663F0E9.2070807@thefudge.net> From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= Message-ID: <5663FFC2.4080709@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:28:34 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5663F0E9.2070807@thefudge.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Announcing consecutive punctuation bug X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 09:28:36 -0000 Hi, I have punctuation set to "most" and it says just equals equals equals no matter if I read it line by line or through say all. Running Orca master. Best reagres, Vojta Dne 6.12.2015 v 09:25 Rob Whyte napsal(a): > Hi, > in say all speaking of consecutive characters seems to be ignored. > Would someone please confirm this? > =================== > In say all the above line would have said 19 equal signs. > However reading the line by itself Orca announces 19 equals characters > as the expected behaviour should be. > > thanks > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From coffeekingms@gmail.com Sun Dec 6 10:14:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9550E762A8 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:14:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ogpng0WkpyL for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f44.google.com (mail-oi0-f44.google.com [209.85.218.44]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9257625D for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oiww189 with SMTP id w189so86561698oiw.3 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 02:14:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IasW7luapzYu/DS4ZLsbiLoGFUkFRoLe7dXojeBXERE=; b=p0/AW6XnEQc+Nm4iDJqGPfVjbORhDVXLm9ntXoljnZU+JPqlU0j80MIh48YrnB0Yvt NzZS8pzXVwVkGUztUHHQk0120AzQWRQI3IBQqOgRC6xJIsOgLfddNn4Fgj+o5d/jcwWO JobWl2YXyGhKoPhqyAgDIZRUzbizOn3rNzN14QjWSU3bircA17gc1iP5/uV3zTPcxSiC FXpg7/3+t8QKLNkI2V4wy0NRWWCRLqOIWLmpGO0hYA/jQKbljlajSWZ7xRkMUGRhOMnJ gToTQdu/8/kkJghRR7Ee+clkfoKO6UbUs3MNI93jyrNfh6d3os6DL3tFSKGj9XXrZAsf ZncQ== X-Received: by 10.202.73.214 with SMTP id w205mr17685301oia.91.1449396862204; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 02:14:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id do3sm9521299obb.15.2015.12.06.02.14.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Dec 2015 02:14:21 -0800 (PST) To: Rob Whyte , orca-list References: <5663F0E9.2070807@thefudge.net> From: kendell clark Message-ID: <56640A7C.8040309@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 04:14:20 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5663F0E9.2070807@thefudge.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Announcing consecutive punctuation bug X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 10:14:21 -0000 hi Confirmed. I'm surprised I never reported this myself. Thanks Kendell clark On 12/06/2015 02:25 AM, Rob Whyte wrote: > Hi, > in say all speaking of consecutive characters seems to be ignored. > Would someone please confirm this? > =================== > In say all the above line would have said 19 equal signs. > However reading the line by itself Orca announces 19 equals characters > as the expected behaviour should be. > > thanks > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From vilmar@informal.com.br Sun Dec 6 10:33:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FC4762A8 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:33:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZMGPuWHesxh5 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rot03c3.mail.alog.com.br (rot03c3.mail.alog.com.br [177.126.164.20]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D74A7625D for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rot03c3.mail.alog.com.br (LSOS-MTA) with ESMTP id 3pD3yZ1ykyz76D7 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:33:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Scanned by LSOS-Amavis at rot03c3 X-Spam-Threshold: 5.0 X-Spam-Scanned-Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 10:33:26 +0000 X-Spam-Host: rot03c3.mail.alog.com.br X-Spam-System: LSOS-SA X-Spam-LSOS-Flag: NO X-Spam-Relay-Country: X-Spam-Languages: X-Spam-ASN: X-Spam-DCC: X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-RBLs: [200.150.145.4] [5 smtp-in-c1.mail.alog.com.br.] X-Spam-Detail: * -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP Received: from rot03c3.mail.alog.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rot03c3.mail.alog.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (LSOS-Amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id G0qKx34JUAF6 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:33:21 +0000 (UTC) X-WhiteBlackList-Status: undef X-WhiteBlackList-Status: undef Received: from [192.168.1.92] (unknown [201.65.252.242]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by rot03c3.mail.alog.com.br (LSOS-MTA) with ESMTPA id 3pD3yT2jktz76BR; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:33:20 +0000 (UTC) References: <5663F0E9.2070807@thefudge.net> To: Rob Whyte , orca-list From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica LTDA Message-ID: <56640F45.1090300@informal.com.br> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 08:34:45 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5663F0E9.2070807@thefudge.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Announcing consecutive punctuation bug X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 10:33:27 -0000 Hi. Reading your message orca reads only === instead of read 19 =. Reading with SayALL or line by line. Thanks. On 12/06/2015 06:25 AM, Rob Whyte wrote: > Hi, > in say all speaking of consecutive characters seems to be ignored. > Would someone please confirm this? > =================== > In say all the above line would have said 19 equal signs. > However reading the line by itself Orca announces 19 equals characters > as the expected behaviour should be. > > thanks > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza From r.d.t.prater@gmail.com Sun Dec 6 12:12:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249077625D for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 12:12:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mqd7zaYA_2fV for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 12:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f178.google.com (mail-ob0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574AD760AB for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 12:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbnk6 with SMTP id nk6so99501385obb.2 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 04:12:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=rPA/Z4kt2jKh1VTfuLkMAW2NoiIqqJ+bp5KQ6jZNtRc=; b=Wp9XjtTIU3U1bckiUR0e4wHGcEbHG0jGwtl2UVnEWT3weC+neb9p0LA0dtVA+7WiAT wzTHozwWHUfovJozuapIdBzEnzxmeVweNj7RBoj10WYn5PjUj4Evg7/+CS4oXRYxWGZH wBsl9u8bxC9Gp9NFjgQF1lrgdms0SzAESjFKR0knf6MtNW5MwsiidUcXw5SOSmb6EQ6E pKwS3JisDa3EvB9Z9moTmf6ufLAvj24D5qO/eH77DhZ6hO0WfvK5hYh7iQMQxw69lLGd eAdoKPq1QgAYuXLOgQs8uheU9VslJmDFRzPuwNVBS84IzegH4IV2HpsHdhXt5RgYnhQL 7JvA== X-Received: by 10.182.186.34 with SMTP id fh2mr15716701obc.65.1449403930761; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 04:12:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [100.98.22.236] (216.sub-70-193-123.myvzw.com. [70.193.123.216]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z190sm9659098oig.25.2015.12.06.04.12.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Dec 2015 04:12:09 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Devin Prater X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13B143) In-Reply-To: <5663CE7D.5000607@igalia.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 06:12:08 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <5662D124.90801@gmail.com> <5663CE7D.5000607@igalia.com> To: Joanmarie Diggs Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] a few miscellaneous issues to report X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 12:12:10 -0000 Regarding the say all thing, I have an idea. If the popup has nothing to spe= ak, like the volume thing, then Orca could simply keep reading. If, for exam= ple, Orca is needed to read a notification, for example, a new email notific= ation from Thunderbird, assuming those are read, Orca can read them, then af= ter around half a second, can continue in Say All. If, however, the user mov= es focus instead of the system, Orca should not continue say all. I'm not su= re if Orca has a way to denote system input verses user input, but that, as I= see it, would be my preferred way. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 5, 2015, at 11:58 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >=20 > Hi Kendell. >=20 >> On 12/05/2015 12:57 PM, kendell clark wrote: >>=20 >> one is related ... I'm not sure if it's firefox or not. First, orca >> seems to get stuck in mate's panel. I've already sent joanie a debug log >> on this and it looks like after one of my applets, orca seems to lose >> focus on the panel and will no longer read it. >=20 > I thought I responded already in great detail privately with suggestions > for you to try -- all of which, however, were designed to help you work > with the MATE developers because it appears that keyboard focus is stuck > (and would be for all keyboard users) or accessibility support is broken > (no events). >=20 > To be clear: =46rom what you have shared with me: Not Orca. Cannot be > worked around in Orca. >=20 >> Second, it is impossible to access applications run as rootwith orca. >=20 > That means Orca is not getting accessibility events. No events means > nothing for Orca to present. Because a debug.out shows events Orca gets > and how Orca responds to those events, sending me a debug.out from the > problem you describe will not be helpful as it will simply confirm no > events. >=20 > Conclusion: Not Orca. Cannot be worked around in Orca. >=20 >> Sometimes, when orca encounters a slider, it will say the current value >> but not the percentage associated with it. >=20 > Conclusion: Design decision. If everyone thinks that Orca should present > both, I can modify Orca to do so. No debug.out is needed. >=20 >> The last issue is that >> when reading in say all, if the volume keys are pressed, orca seems to >> get interrupted, instead of continuing to read. My guess is that there >> is a pop up window on screen which displays teh new volume. >=20 > Your guess is correct. Making SayAll continue reading even though > something else has popped up may be a possibility. I'll look into it. >=20 > --joanie >=20 > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stab= le/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From coffeekingms@gmail.com Sun Dec 6 12:26:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FD0762A8 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 12:26:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZQHlVXowhgoA for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 12:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCC3760AB for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 12:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbnk6 with SMTP id nk6so99594462obb.2 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 04:26:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MPtHP902Tme0q88Ulru0fUJFesWvicwVb19Ipiud81I=; b=E2BJ54bVWQHIDy1+nyXNYRaDv7PrauJWKqQa7rtAwEsgR5pZgBW/uqd81s8cypDXdw QcgYQym/C4XSSqzNqASpGy6RQzalKDwp5xRw0UMkZqutwIxX4BwoBnNYn2Gq4+HEWZAm cHJC+jKNcH7DinnUxv+N/7JVY30dizn0A1Bp8I9kvmKmuwbkNHFajaV7CBGKYuUwBG9r 2x99BgNItZol5lAP5i9We77FR6dUctZ+J2k6hqmLlrS7jB/aSDc/YBTOvmkHokG5TfrE 2HKieVWRFVLWMYmeBbpHxDdahz+EyhRguCN2TV0bsZgemFlPL83BZ8TnSkFSnkJYRtWM sp3g== X-Received: by 10.60.51.70 with SMTP id i6mr19689387oeo.3.1449404771700; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 04:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id wr6sm9712564obb.21.2015.12.06.04.26.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Dec 2015 04:26:11 -0800 (PST) To: Devin Prater , Joanmarie Diggs References: <5662D124.90801@gmail.com> <5663CE7D.5000607@igalia.com> From: kendell clark Message-ID: <56642962.8020801@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 06:26:10 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] a few miscellaneous issues to report X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 12:26:11 -0000 hi Now there's an idea. I've often wondered why orca can't read the volume popups. Is it because they're inaccessible? A few desktops, like vinux's unity, show a notification when the volume is changed but I find that a little annoying. Notification: Volume 40 percent. Notification: volume 35 percent, etc. Shouldn't it simply say volume 35 percent? If it reads these volume popups that is Thanks Kendell clark On 12/06/2015 06:12 AM, Devin Prater wrote: > Regarding the say all thing, I have an idea. If the popup has nothing to speak, like the volume thing, then Orca could simply keep reading. If, for example, Orca is needed to read a notification, for example, a new email notification from Thunderbird, assuming those are read, Orca can read them, then after around half a second, can continue in Say All. If, however, the user moves focus instead of the system, Orca should not continue say all. I'm not sure if Orca has a way to denote system input verses user input, but that, as I see it, would be my preferred way. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 5, 2015, at 11:58 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> >> Hi Kendell. >> >>> On 12/05/2015 12:57 PM, kendell clark wrote: >>> >>> one is related ... I'm not sure if it's firefox or not. First, orca >>> seems to get stuck in mate's panel. I've already sent joanie a debug log >>> on this and it looks like after one of my applets, orca seems to lose >>> focus on the panel and will no longer read it. >> >> I thought I responded already in great detail privately with suggestions >> for you to try -- all of which, however, were designed to help you work >> with the MATE developers because it appears that keyboard focus is stuck >> (and would be for all keyboard users) or accessibility support is broken >> (no events). >> >> To be clear: From what you have shared with me: Not Orca. Cannot be >> worked around in Orca. >> >>> Second, it is impossible to access applications run as rootwith orca. >> >> That means Orca is not getting accessibility events. No events means >> nothing for Orca to present. Because a debug.out shows events Orca gets >> and how Orca responds to those events, sending me a debug.out from the >> problem you describe will not be helpful as it will simply confirm no >> events. >> >> Conclusion: Not Orca. Cannot be worked around in Orca. >> >>> Sometimes, when orca encounters a slider, it will say the current value >>> but not the percentage associated with it. >> >> Conclusion: Design decision. If everyone thinks that Orca should present >> both, I can modify Orca to do so. No debug.out is needed. >> >>> The last issue is that >>> when reading in say all, if the volume keys are pressed, orca seems to >>> get interrupted, instead of continuing to read. My guess is that there >>> is a pop up window on screen which displays teh new volume. >> >> Your guess is correct. Making SayAll continue reading even though >> something else has popped up may be a possibility. I'll look into it. >> >> --joanie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From jdiggs@igalia.com Sun Dec 6 17:04:37 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349527625B for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 17:04:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k-xha6CXpKYN for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 17:04:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05520760AB for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 17:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.13.233] by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim) id 1a5cjk-0007hq-Pv; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 18:04:36 +0100 To: "B. Henry" References: <56606156.6080805@member.fsf.org> <20151203161406.GA30876@gmail.com> <566074F7.8000709@member.fsf.org> <56607B2D.7060003@igalia.com> <20151203183729.GE30876@gmail.com> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <56646AA4.10500@igalia.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 18:04:36 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151203183729.GE30876@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Function "increase the speech rate" issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 17:04:37 -0000 Hi B.H. Could you please test master with Writer and see if this issue is solved for you? Thanks! --joanie On 12/03/2015 07:37 PM, B. Henry wrote: > Hi Joani and all, > The problem is that the speed change does not work as it should, i.e. slower or faster is said, but in a few apps/versions orca does not actually slow > down. For me this would be libreoffice writer only, at least that is all I've seen so far. > I load a document, try and slow speech rate down, but it remains normal. > I for sure agree that this should only effect the app/window one is using, or at least this should be default. I suppose a prefference option could be > added to make the change persist until orca is restarted, but don't think that is worth the trouble of doing. > > From alexarnaud@member.fsf.org Sun Dec 6 18:47:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDCA7625B for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 18:47:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iJUWNxN_yhuW for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 18:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (relay4-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.196]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F042C760AB for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 18:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter35-d.gandi.net (mfilter35-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.166]) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136AC172098; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 19:47:29 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter35-d.gandi.net Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([IPv6:::ffff:217.70.183.196]) by mfilter35-d.gandi.net (mfilter35-d.gandi.net [::ffff:10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vNzOp0JGc9uR; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 19:47:27 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 93.27.217.217 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (217.217.27.93.rev.sfr.net [93.27.217.217]) (Authenticated sender: alex@arnaud.link) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6F7391720AD; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 19:47:27 +0100 (CET) To: Joanmarie Diggs , "B. Henry" References: <56606156.6080805@member.fsf.org> <20151203161406.GA30876@gmail.com> <566074F7.8000709@member.fsf.org> <56607B2D.7060003@igalia.com> <20151203183729.GE30876@gmail.com> <56646AA4.10500@igalia.com> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <566482BF.6060509@member.fsf.org> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 19:47:27 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56646AA4.10500@igalia.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070109050908030706090608" Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Function "increase the speech rate" issue X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 18:47:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070109050908030706090608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 06/12/2015 18:04, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi B.H. Hi Joanmarie! > Could you please test master with Writer and see if this issue is solved > for you? The bug is correctly solve in my test but I've discovered another issue. If I'm in Firefox but maybe in all apps, when I use say all with speech rate modified on-the-fly if notification appear Orca reads the notification and after continue say all with initial rate not the rate defined on-the-fly. Thanks. -- Alex --------------070109050908030706090608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 06/12/2015 18:04, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
Hi B.H.
Hi Joanmarie!
Could you please test master with Writer and see if this issue is solved
for you?
The bug is correctly solve in my test but I've discovered another issue.
If I'm in Firefox but maybe in all apps, when I use say all with speech rate modified on-the-fly if notification appear Orca reads the notification and after continue say all with initial rate not the rate defined on-the-fly.

Thanks.

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Alex

--------------070109050908030706090608-- From alexarnaud@member.fsf.org Sun Dec 6 19:47:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4387625B for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 19:47:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.339 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.339 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.26, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dulWCvbI72Nv for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 19:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (relay6-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.198]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D70760AB for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 19:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter44-d.gandi.net (mfilter44-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.175]) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9434EFB89F; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 20:47:38 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter44-d.gandi.net Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([IPv6:::ffff:217.70.183.198]) by mfilter44-d.gandi.net (mfilter44-d.gandi.net [::ffff:10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r1lxgTT_ILCz; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 20:47:37 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 93.27.217.217 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (217.217.27.93.rev.sfr.net [93.27.217.217]) (Authenticated sender: alex@arnaud.link) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 20EA7FB89E; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 20:47:36 +0100 (CET) To: luciano de souza , orca-list References: From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <566490D8.1040509@member.fsf.org> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 20:47:36 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050607030003010000020804" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Javascript debug with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 19:47:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050607030003010000020804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/12/2015 21:39, luciano de souza wrote: > Hello all, Hello > I am starting in web development, so Javascript debug is required. > > For this purpose, I have installed Firebug, however, I was not able to use it. The o/n/ly solution I've seen for you is a debuger in command line that doesn't accepted element from window et document object. If you want to develop library it could be useful but if you want a DOM integration I don't know what it is possible. > Does someone know how I can read the debug messages? With the Firefox integrated development it is possible to read some elements, maybe if you contact the team you can help them in improving accessibility of web development Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD --------------050607030003010000020804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/12/2015 21:39, luciano de souza wrote:
Hello all,
Hello
I am starting in web development, so Javascript debug is required.

For this purpose, I have installed Firebug, however, I was not able to use it.
The only solution I've seen for you is a debuger in command line that doesn't accepted element from window et document object. If you want to develop library it could be useful but if you want a DOM integration I don't know what it is possible.
Does someone know how I can read the debug messages?
With the Firefox integrated development it is possible to read some elements, maybe if you contact the team you can help them in improving accessibility of web development

Best regards.
-- 
Alex ARNAUD
--------------050607030003010000020804-- From coffeekingms@gmail.com Mon Dec 7 03:45:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B052276A1A for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 03:45:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WvndTZj9xsX6 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 03:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com (mail-ob0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C22E760B1 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 03:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbnk6 with SMTP id nk6so107139224obb.2 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 19:45:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=w7nOO7WRKiUu3loDwkRRCdJofcqQ9zgW5sth1cYtRYY=; b=fOavvAL64FKu0lr0c8JZkfr9gJjDNr5Txcfazu1pwHm+u3JUtmfeNXQspnEqAu8QUZ CGFD8v9g8MoZ4zac/lp/eB2qoc4Z3BzwX92hRS1BH99/ODlScFAQIL8WZ4iIqJfoofps KD+MoVPj9ue1jk0KVaYT8qxHKONA2J6Y5KY/+ThgnmGA1+Hm8zAMekwLrXpoo1CmyA0V sTn9kMdB85e8H2Uq9gRvS28jfHt/A2GmnDECXKSx6kFYUCi3tP2ejJIptizX4QwYphHt 7FV4/5xuFDxW9QpUcw1J5O9XGP2TOOPSjvwV2ydQot/CpBf+7aPlD+8RR/ET6QOjRmbb M8Kw== X-Received: by 10.60.33.10 with SMTP id n10mr20886773oei.66.1449459949344; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 19:45:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (74-196-119-242.mnolcmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net. [74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id wr6sm11038493obb.21.2015.12.06.19.45.48 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Dec 2015 19:45:48 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list From: kendell clark Message-ID: <566500EC.2000303@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 21:45:48 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] color wheels? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 03:45:49 -0000 hi all Throughout my usage of mate, I've sometimes come across these ... I think they're called color choosers. In gnome shell, gnome has somehow found a way to make this accessible. But in mate, orca reports simply "color wheel" and won't read anything on it. Using the where am I will sometimes read out a color, but usually reads something like, color wheel hue: red: saturation: 0.0000 Is it possible to make these accessible? They're not a lot of use to visually impaired people I don't think, but they allow you to color code the columns in a lot of things, including the system monitor so at a glance you can look over stats and so on. I hope I'm making sense. Thoughts? Kendell clark From coffeekingms@gmail.com Mon Dec 7 11:32:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73C076A24 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 11:32:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i2jGU6mHCSQi for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 11:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f50.google.com (mail-oi0-f50.google.com [209.85.218.50]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B8D7697C for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 11:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oixx65 with SMTP id x65so96751153oix.0 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 03:32:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DFXXK4+PDUhYanNo7OtyAibPeeJjsI3on4c8Eb9TqbE=; b=hqVUHKhpds7BHVEuStXrfHQe81nI91ku95H6QXIQHhFTjvacn6PmVC3B4vTN9Kk01K U7XtKjl3Rm5NQNlR6KKvW40ZuXqy0PNZOyhtjW/kWFQnnNAfDMYvLYx5B4HJIudpwGM8 QsIos0ngQnlvrUSOlsLg55VVUIGFoqdIx5Vcm4AmTkLR/FDvoC352Mc84PlkrdqBfcQo akPIV0xHR1mHuhfLqVdpB6AqGKbBQ7S/sffTiVIki54xkN/PaYDPJ7XMSVseUyUzkS87 6LXpCEPvj7uZN/F+pHMN52JdPIkBApdCcX//r07RGaNcLtDq2J309NuhtsY3IYkkgEev a6Hw== X-Received: by 10.202.60.195 with SMTP id j186mr20841117oia.70.1449487932661; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 03:32:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id y9sm11496789obg.4.2015.12.07.03.32.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Dec 2015 03:32:12 -0800 (PST) To: Joanmarie Diggs References: <5662D124.90801@gmail.com> <5663CE7D.5000607@igalia.com> <5663CFB3.6030303@gmail.com> From: kendell clark Message-ID: <56656E3B.4060109@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 05:32:11 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5663CFB3.6030303@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] a few miscellaneous issues to report X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 11:32:12 -0000 hi Got it. I'll file the bugs against mate for the apps run as root option. I wonder, did I step in something? Your response sounded a little irritated, and I hope I didn't irritate you. The slider thing was always more of a curiosity. I'm perfectly happy with what orca does not. Besides if you changed it, inevitably someone would come along who thinks it should be done this way or who would want a config option to set it. Then someone else would come along who thinks orca is getting too configurable and so on. I'm happy with orca the way it is. Thanks Kendell clark On 12/06/2015 12:03 AM, kendell clark wrote: > hi > Yup, you did and I reported all of them to them on github. I'm only > reporting it hear to see if anyone else has it or if it's something > unique to my panel config, which is one large bottom panel, rather than > the usual one on top and one on bottom > Thanks > Kendell clark > > > On 12/05/2015 11:58 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> Hi Kendell. >> >> On 12/05/2015 12:57 PM, kendell clark wrote: >> >>> one is related ... I'm not sure if it's firefox or not. First, orca >>> seems to get stuck in mate's panel. I've already sent joanie a debug log >>> on this and it looks like after one of my applets, orca seems to lose >>> focus on the panel and will no longer read it. >> >> I thought I responded already in great detail privately with suggestions >> for you to try -- all of which, however, were designed to help you work >> with the MATE developers because it appears that keyboard focus is stuck >> (and would be for all keyboard users) or accessibility support is broken >> (no events). >> >> To be clear: From what you have shared with me: Not Orca. Cannot be >> worked around in Orca. >> >>> Second, it is impossible to access applications run as rootwith orca. >> >> That means Orca is not getting accessibility events. No events means >> nothing for Orca to present. Because a debug.out shows events Orca gets >> and how Orca responds to those events, sending me a debug.out from the >> problem you describe will not be helpful as it will simply confirm no >> events. >> >> Conclusion: Not Orca. Cannot be worked around in Orca. >> >>> Sometimes, when orca encounters a slider, it will say the current value >>> but not the percentage associated with it. >> >> Conclusion: Design decision. If everyone thinks that Orca should present >> both, I can modify Orca to do so. No debug.out is needed. >> >>> The last issue is that >>> when reading in say all, if the volume keys are pressed, orca seems to >>> get interrupted, instead of continuing to read. My guess is that there >>> is a pop up window on screen which displays teh new volume. >> >> Your guess is correct. Making SayAll continue reading even though >> something else has popped up may be a possibility. I'll look into it. >> >> --joanie >> From coffeekingms@gmail.com Mon Dec 7 15:35:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31D376A4C for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 15:35:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UT6fMu21Ac1o for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 15:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com (mail-ob0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB5B763C1 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 15:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbww6 with SMTP id ww6so116668906obb.0 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 07:35:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uUwQL9VehtEf50xmylOODNIDya3YKbPPYMNPbC1Ah+U=; b=JtCfiyidEgqlrQgaEHztJGdihYb9G3QhKt5hWuhlm5QAFkJIkyP1DMETKTGMiYQTMU WudXlTa9q4dHk5sAWF9ZweT18iv/zzdxCDZ3Q9c8zeSO0fj3fCEbWetTj74rV+X4hftT ajkpXoeC9mHAjc+91zK6yvymMSJv7J60OcVGbd1KyJsFo2wOpv86UgiRIQK6XflRBvNx SEcM2Rd8MiNNOl/XVWZQGtBU1JIux7cwbOOWXlhkwCu/C4QSnsPMWu4cD065susukwyP egjVXfofjABaZeFqNhUU9b6RpBXVGuyYwBmhKIUKn1iJdjtsd/FwOsMNrOQp/Ezv76kn lc2Q== X-Received: by 10.182.171.105 with SMTP id at9mr10782811obc.49.1449502524764; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 07:35:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (74-196-119-242.mnolcmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net. [74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id a77sm11924752oic.8.2015.12.07.07.35.24 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Dec 2015 07:35:24 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list From: kendell clark X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <5665A73B.3060704@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 09:35:23 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] more on inaccessibility when run as root X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 15:35:24 -0000 hi all Since I'm trying to improve the accessibility of the mate desktop, I've been digging into why apps being launched as root are inaccessible to orca. Joanie pointed out that generating a debug log wouldn't help because orca isn't recieving any events so can't process them. I think I've found a reproduceable way to encounter the issue. Steps to reproduce. 1: Log into mate in your favorite login manager. 2: make sure orca starts. 3: run an app that requires root privs, example gparted. 4: Log out and log back into a desktop such as gnome or unity which this does work. Do not restart, but press the log out button in mate's menus. then try to launch the same app you just did using mate. What should happen is that orca should then read the app. But this doesn't work. This leads me to think this is an at-spi, rather than an orca issue. But I'll need help from someone smarter than me to tell for sure. If anyone can confirm or at least get close, I'll file a bug against at-spi2-core so that this can get fixed. Note that this happens in cinnamon also sometimes but not always. I think it may have something to do with the fact that when logging out, the copy of at-spi2-registryd isn't killed, instead a new instance is spawned, which can sometimes lead orca to start but not speak because you can only have so many instances going at once. Why orca doesn't connect to the existing one I don't know but I'm sure it tries to. Thanks Kendell clark From pvdeejay@gmail.com Mon Dec 7 17:36:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB7476A4B for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 17:36:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PwbyeK_ocUvN for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 17:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f44.google.com (mail-wm0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2580D763C1 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 17:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wmec201 with SMTP id c201so176826489wme.0 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 09:36:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=STapqjHY5Qu2jjaoLfNx0rq/6Q2kluzJDHWn3uI0QCo=; b=UXI6cYdxv4RakUJNeSMlQBci3ME9ihMRwPIimkFHnv4IGO1yUzYcaETB4ddCpGNGQl X/nZmkwMQdoYOr8YGtaqjk7DxXYXeKQtB/EAATRt0N5EePCdCbzhW3J8ZHyg7HTvnjjj 8l6EMaf3gfcpqH0HtxGj0/BUU74tBCDlJNCJGZAWpfkVR5+XU5gM1JPNqxY+PDZ5X8nX 4ccNjac+rdizArPJtne3XebSTWH0u96yUNIgpeZmJhjFE5JEv/o8SZ+LDC3pNxMiFimx qk5kIqPkcptWBWXYAh/3FvAFxVL8eMmm/+PBPPOeb11hAti1VDXP44Mq2Dxn0xRdARB9 ANhQ== X-Received: by 10.28.26.147 with SMTP id a141mr23768491wma.36.1449509766903; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 09:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.164] ([81.161.61.153]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id jm4sm26127229wjb.7.2015.12.07.09.36.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Dec 2015 09:36:05 -0800 (PST) To: kendell clark , orca-list References: <5665A73B.3060704@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <5665C384.30804@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 18:36:04 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5665A73B.3060704@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] more on inaccessibility when run as root X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 17:36:07 -0000 Hello, I have already tried looking into this however I don't have a full understanding of the accessibility stack so I was not yet able to come up with a solution / workaround / whatever that might improve the situation. What I have understood so far: - This is not orca's fault since it has already been explained. - I haven't noticed enviromment variables which may control this on my system while testing with gnome. - It's not an at-spi nor ATK's fault as it's installed and launched the same way in gnome and also in mate. I assumed we might miss some dbus configuration files or other gnome specific features when launching gui apps as root. Perhaps someone can remember /root/.orbitrc file where we were able to tune this back in the corba days. I believe if I was able to understand how gnome does it I might be able to replicate this on other desktops. Greetings Peter On 07.12.2015 at 16:35 kendell clark wrote: > hi all > Since I'm trying to improve the accessibility of the mate desktop, I've > been digging into why apps being launched as root are inaccessible to > orca. Joanie pointed out that generating a debug log wouldn't help > because orca isn't recieving any events so can't process them. I think > I've found a reproduceable way to encounter the issue. Steps to > reproduce. 1: Log into mate in your favorite login manager. 2: make sure > orca starts. 3: run an app that requires root privs, example gparted. 4: > Log out and log back into a desktop such as gnome or unity which this > does work. Do not restart, but press the log out button in mate's menus. > then try to launch the same app you just did using mate. What should > happen is that orca should then read the app. But this doesn't work. > This leads me to think this is an at-spi, rather than an orca issue. But > I'll need help from someone smarter than me to tell for sure. If anyone > can confirm or at least get close, I'll file a bug against at-spi2-core > so that this can get fixed. Note that this happens in cinnamon also > sometimes but not always. I think it may have something to do with the > fact that when logging out, the copy of at-spi2-registryd isn't killed, > instead a new instance is spawned, which can sometimes lead orca to > start but not speak because you can only have so many instances going at > once. Why orca doesn't connect to the existing one I don't know but I'm > sure it tries to. > Thanks > Kendell clark > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From mgorse@alum.wpi.edu Mon Dec 7 18:14:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E18D76A4B for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 18:14:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.212 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.212 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Jrwb--ULp7Z for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 18:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from MAIL1.WPI.EDU (MAIL1.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.91]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5D2763C1 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 18:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from MAIL1.WPI.EDU (MAIL1.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.91]) by MAIL1.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id tB7IENlE026685; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 13:14:23 -0500 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 MAIL1.WPI.EDU tB7IENlE026685 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=wpi.edu; s=_dkim; t=1449512063; i=@wpi.edu; bh=iUVI0zKiwK+803evf3VmdSgDTV/+vAVcdpdTta+yAKw=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=ax+7KIWZ7ERfASDmkJSy+yrk4WFNRGg20/MA25CqFC2EiZ82CWzwWJd1mk/TdiQI/ 5YFjnnXV3CB5IpPDcWmSr8bFQ3C8+lBJ7X09kKnfFD3asurdgMSvgiTYlMq+v1xnBj mIGG/XK93x6K5S+Lj4iAEo5/RA1RYnmeFPVtfW6s= Received: from MX3.WPI.EDU (mx3.wpi.edu [130.215.36.147]) by MAIL1.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id tB7IEN1r026682; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 13:14:23 -0500 Received: from ALUM.WPI.EDU (ALUM.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.126]) by MX3.WPI.EDU (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id tB7IELVn018892; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 13:14:22 -0500 (envelope-from mgorse@alum.wpi.edu) Received: from ALUM.WPI.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ALUM.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPS id tB7IELhP009608 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 7 Dec 2015 13:14:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (mgorse@localhost) by ALUM.WPI.EDU (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id tB7IELEx009604; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 13:14:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 13:14:21 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Gorse To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Peter_V=E1gner?= In-Reply-To: <5665C384.30804@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <5665A73B.3060704@gmail.com> <5665C384.30804@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-679313884-566463648-1449512061=:1048" X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIIII, Probability=9%, Report=' MULTIPLE_RCPTS 0.1, HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, MIME_TEXT_ONLY_MP_MIXED 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_6000_6999 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, FROM_EDU_TLD 0, REFERENCES 0, URI_ENDS_IN_HTML 0, __ANY_URI 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_MIXED 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __FRAUD_BADTHINGS 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HTTPS_URI 0, __INT_PROD_COMP 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MULTIPLE_RCPTS_CC_X2 0, __MULTIPLE_URI_TEXT 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __REFERENCES 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __URI_IN_BODY 0, __URI_NO_PATH 0, __URI_NO_WWW 0, __URI_NS , __USER_AGENT 0' Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] more on inaccessibility when run as root X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 18:14:26 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---679313884-566463648-1449512061=:1048 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hi all, I've seen something similar; currently, when deciding whether to accept a connection from an application such as orca, at-spi2-atk tries to determine whether the user making the connection is the same user running the application being connected to. If the application being connected to is running as root, then it tries to figure out whether its parent process is owned by the user making the connection. It seems that this doesn't always work. I am considering applying the attached patch. It would be helpful if someone is able to test it. Thanks, -Mike On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, Peter Vgner wrote: > Hello, > > I have already tried looking into this however I don't have a full > understanding of the accessibility stack so I was not yet able to come up > with a solution / workaround / whatever that might improve the situation. > > What I have understood so far: > - This is not orca's fault since it has already been explained. > - I haven't noticed enviromment variables which may control this on my system > while testing with gnome. > - It's not an at-spi nor ATK's fault as it's installed and launched the same > way in gnome and also in mate. I assumed we might miss some dbus > configuration files or other gnome specific features when launching gui apps > as root. > > Perhaps someone can remember /root/.orbitrc file where we were able to tune > this back in the corba days. > > I believe if I was able to understand how gnome does it I might be able to > replicate this on other desktops. > > Greetings > > Peter > > On 07.12.2015 at 16:35 kendell clark wrote: >> hi all >> Since I'm trying to improve the accessibility of the mate desktop, I've >> been digging into why apps being launched as root are inaccessible to >> orca. Joanie pointed out that generating a debug log wouldn't help >> because orca isn't recieving any events so can't process them. I think >> I've found a reproduceable way to encounter the issue. Steps to >> reproduce. 1: Log into mate in your favorite login manager. 2: make sure >> orca starts. 3: run an app that requires root privs, example gparted. 4: >> Log out and log back into a desktop such as gnome or unity which this >> does work. Do not restart, but press the log out button in mate's menus. >> then try to launch the same app you just did using mate. What should >> happen is that orca should then read the app. But this doesn't work. >> This leads me to think this is an at-spi, rather than an orca issue. But >> I'll need help from someone smarter than me to tell for sure. If anyone >> can confirm or at least get close, I'll file a bug against at-spi2-core >> so that this can get fixed. Note that this happens in cinnamon also >> sometimes but not always. I think it may have something to do with the >> fact that when logging out, the copy of at-spi2-registryd isn't killed, >> instead a new instance is spawned, which can sometimes lead orca to >> start but not speak because you can only have so many instances going at >> once. Why orca doesn't connect to the existing one I don't know but I'm >> sure it tries to. >> Thanks >> Kendell clark >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > ---679313884-566463648-1449512061=:1048 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=a11y-root.patch Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=a11y-root.patch RnJvbSA5N2YxNjNlZGQ5NWU0NmJlOWFhNWQ4MzE1ZmJiZWQ3NWZhNWQ4MzIz IE1vbiBTZXAgMTcgMDA6MDA6MDAgMjAwMQ0KRnJvbTogTWlrZSBHb3JzZSA8 bWdvcnNlQHN1c2UuY29tPg0KRGF0ZTogTW9uLCA3IERlYyAyMDE1IDExOjUz OjQ5IC0wNjAwDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbUEFUQ0hdIEFsd2F5cyBhY2NlcHQgY29u bmVjdGlvbnMgYXMgcm9vdCBpZiB1bmFibGUgdG8gZmluZCBhbiBvd25pbmcN CiB1c2VyDQoNCldoZW4gcnVubmluZyBhcyByb290LCB3ZSBsb29rIHRocm91 Z2ggL3Byb2MgdG8gdHJ5IHRvIGlkZW50aWZ5IG91cg0KcGFyZW50IGFuZCBj aGVjayB0aGF0IGl0IG1hdGNoZXMgdGhlIHVzZXIgbWFraW5nIGEgY29ubmVj dGlvbi4gSG93ZXZlciwNCnRoaXMgY2hlY2sgZG9lcyBub3QgYWx3YXlzIHlp ZWxkIHVzZWZ1bCBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbiBhbmQgYWxzbyB3aWxsDQphbHdheXMg ZmFpbCBvbiBhbnl0aGluZyB0aGF0IGlzbid0IExpbnV4LiBVbnN1cmUgd2hh dCBzZWN1cml0eQ0KaW1wbGljYXRpb25zIHRoaXMgY2hhbmdlIGhhcywgYnV0 IHRoZW4gaXQgaXNuJ3QgaWRlYWwgdG8gcnVuIFVJIGFzDQp0aGUgc3VwZXIt dXNlciBpbiB0aGUgZmlyc3QgcGxhY2UsIHlldCB1c2VycyBzb21ldGltZXMg bmVlZCB0byBkbyBzbw0KZm9yIHZhcmlvdXMgcmVhc29ucywgYW5kIGExMXkg bmVlZHMgdG8gYmUgZW5hYmxlZCwgc28gYWRkaW5nIHRoaXMNCmNoYW5nZSB1 bmxlc3MgYSBiZXR0ZXIgc29sdXRpb24gaXMgZm91bmQuDQotLS0NCiBhdGst YWRhcHRvci9icmlkZ2UuYyB8IDUgKysrKy0NCiAxIGZpbGUgY2hhbmdlZCwg NCBpbnNlcnRpb25zKCspLCAxIGRlbGV0aW9uKC0pDQoNCmRpZmYgLS1naXQg YS9hdGstYWRhcHRvci9icmlkZ2UuYyBiL2F0ay1hZGFwdG9yL2JyaWRnZS5j DQppbmRleCA5YzIxMTdmLi5kMGNhNWRhIDEwMDY0NA0KLS0tIGEvYXRrLWFk YXB0b3IvYnJpZGdlLmMNCisrKyBiL2F0ay1hZGFwdG9yL2JyaWRnZS5jDQpA QCAtNjYxLDcgKzY2MSwxMCBAQCB1c2VyX2NoZWNrIChEQnVzQ29ubmVjdGlv biAqYnVzLCB1bnNpZ25lZCBsb25nIHVpZCwgdm9pZCAqZGF0YSkNCiAgIGlm ICh1aWQgPT0gZ2V0dWlkICgpIHx8IHVpZCA9PSBnZXRldWlkICgpKQ0KICAg ICByZXR1cm4gVFJVRTsNCiAgIGlmIChnZXR1aWQgKCkgPT0gMCkNCi0gICAg cmV0dXJuIGdldF9hbmNlc3RyYWxfdWlkIChnZXRwaWQgKCkpID09IHVpZDsN CisgIHsNCisgICAgZ3VpbnQgYW5jZXN0b3IgPSBnZXRfYW5jZXN0cmFsX3Vp ZCAoZ2V0cGlkICgpKTsNCisgICAgcmV0dXJuIChhbmNlc3RvciA9PSB1aWQg fHwgYW5jZXN0b3IgPT0gMSB8fCBhbmNlc3RvciA9PSAwKTsNCisgIH0NCiAg IHJldHVybiBGQUxTRTsNCiB9DQogDQotLSANCjIuNi4yDQoNCg== ---679313884-566463648-1449512061=:1048-- From coffeekingms@gmail.com Mon Dec 7 18:26:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4DB763C1 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 18:26:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hE-17trSzf0l for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 18:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f46.google.com (mail-oi0-f46.google.com [209.85.218.46]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A10D76234 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 18:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oies6 with SMTP id s6so103701708oie.1 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 10:26:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/2fFbN8Kn6fGLX0hEkiornMByLAIqc1hAc+SbJyVHEU=; b=jtatQ1G6KXHFMQ2Uj0xxjJ0Xfdv9TlUqJGhC4/f7MEJ3KLeFQPsP0+JC33pYhHLPTw 6UTP7byJcQz+JHl9SVC/MBUY9hcCtj67MHuys77jrEIRC7L7BzXKF2p8EGm22H4S8570 2fXICknGAMhh83RvY6r7+WzoG51h9WkUH7gTGXbsFmkBA12lL+7VqrIUw6rrLhTusIO/ T6DjuNI9qEhxIOVD6Nl5Lk3k4Y74rDbtxton9Wj/SpkDVr1LuedtIHwJjQohO8Ed6Ro0 lUrs4rHNQFicuae+R25UVtkerA1DHErYe1Cu0//1o4JI1TkY2+DEZARCzUnwMm7UGOlI kccg== X-Received: by 10.202.222.193 with SMTP id v184mr21636631oig.15.1449512766264; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 10:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (74-196-119-242.mnolcmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net. [74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id mj8sm12160858obc.25.2015.12.07.10.26.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Dec 2015 10:26:05 -0800 (PST) To: Mike Gorse , =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= References: <5665A73B.3060704@gmail.com> <5665C384.30804@gmail.com> From: kendell clark Message-ID: <5665CF3C.3080704@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 12:26:04 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] more on inaccessibility when run as root X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 18:26:07 -0000 hi I'll test it. Do I simply clone the at-spi2-atk branch and apply the patch there? Thanks Kendell clark On 12/07/2015 12:14 PM, Mike Gorse wrote: > Hi all, > > I've seen something similar; currently, when deciding whether to accept > a connection from an application such as orca, at-spi2-atk tries to > determine whether the user making the connection is the same user > running the application being connected to. If the application being > connected to is running as root, then it tries to figure out whether its > parent process is owned by the user making the connection. It seems that > this doesn't always work. > > I am considering applying the attached patch. It would be helpful if > someone is able to test it. > > Thanks, > -Mike > > On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, Peter Vgner wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I have already tried looking into this however I don't have a full >> understanding of the accessibility stack so I was not yet able to come >> up with a solution / workaround / whatever that might improve the >> situation. >> >> What I have understood so far: >> - This is not orca's fault since it has already been explained. >> - I haven't noticed enviromment variables which may control this on my >> system while testing with gnome. >> - It's not an at-spi nor ATK's fault as it's installed and launched >> the same way in gnome and also in mate. I assumed we might miss some >> dbus configuration files or other gnome specific features when >> launching gui apps as root. >> >> Perhaps someone can remember /root/.orbitrc file where we were able to >> tune this back in the corba days. >> >> I believe if I was able to understand how gnome does it I might be >> able to replicate this on other desktops. >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> On 07.12.2015 at 16:35 kendell clark wrote: >>> hi all >>> Since I'm trying to improve the accessibility of the mate desktop, I've >>> been digging into why apps being launched as root are inaccessible to >>> orca. Joanie pointed out that generating a debug log wouldn't help >>> because orca isn't recieving any events so can't process them. I think >>> I've found a reproduceable way to encounter the issue. Steps to >>> reproduce. 1: Log into mate in your favorite login manager. 2: make sure >>> orca starts. 3: run an app that requires root privs, example gparted. 4: >>> Log out and log back into a desktop such as gnome or unity which this >>> does work. Do not restart, but press the log out button in mate's menus. >>> then try to launch the same app you just did using mate. What should >>> happen is that orca should then read the app. But this doesn't work. >>> This leads me to think this is an at-spi, rather than an orca issue. But >>> I'll need help from someone smarter than me to tell for sure. If anyone >>> can confirm or at least get close, I'll file a bug against at-spi2-core >>> so that this can get fixed. Note that this happens in cinnamon also >>> sometimes but not always. I think it may have something to do with the >>> fact that when logging out, the copy of at-spi2-registryd isn't killed, >>> instead a new instance is spawned, which can sometimes lead orca to >>> start but not speak because you can only have so many instances going at >>> once. Why orca doesn't connect to the existing one I don't know but I'm >>> sure it tries to. >>> Thanks >>> Kendell clark >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> From pvdeejay@gmail.com Mon Dec 7 19:20:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCEB769E6 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 19:20:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qCMq-86Gs1Xv for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 19:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f48.google.com (mail-wm0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7140F763C1 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 19:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wmvv187 with SMTP id v187so181977045wmv.1 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 11:20:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ir+PoKUsVXe8DlAgmKEWjyH11bi66aK34SiTYzAfJns=; b=swRcN+ViDKnHP0u/jT7JNqvu1lVl2P/ASuxFfi+4Bq/ytiJlMemt7JWw02F0lEFY2Z BzAATNCgNUb8H0Ff7g5Qje0zzEgAaafyDGU4C/gRVJQyZrCcPbF+HLNqEiW+YDW+I66z qjXFZ6ewsnxdsk0DTsg3nXpMmjSnrSDkZyMRdUyqX4ks2tmcLC50RIyvavWeHceE6cmU XkU/tM3EQSnJVXlQBz2ktClKZNrC1wBQ7gHxq0B/1YBBzbbqZ/m10V0KQVr91N4N0w+F 1az07RHFHQijrLDI/WCJPRhZKdvp6gJycwnA4YsRCOSFeinB5zcahiHWX/ckAlZBmNOJ Bhfw== X-Received: by 10.28.194.7 with SMTP id s7mr17032232wmf.29.1449516025288; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 11:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.164] ([81.161.61.153]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id gl10sm26475754wjb.30.2015.12.07.11.20.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Dec 2015 11:20:23 -0800 (PST) To: kendell clark , Mike Gorse References: <5665A73B.3060704@gmail.com> <5665C384.30804@gmail.com> <5665CF3C.3080704@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <5665DBF6.9080203@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:20:22 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5665CF3C.3080704@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] more on inaccessibility when run as root X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 19:20:25 -0000 Hello, I'll be playing with this more however I think we are talking about different issues. One issue is that sometimes occassionally apps running as root are slow to launch and they are not accessible. Most likelly this is the issue Mike is addressing with the patch. The other issue is that non gnome gtk based desktop enviromments such as mate and xfce are accessible when they are launched after the accessibility support is turned on in their respective control pannels. However when launching graphical apps with root privileges while running these enviromments apps running as root are *never* accessible with orca. I don't know how to replicate this with polkit, however I have just found a workaround on how to make apps ran via sudo accessible in such a case. Add this line into your sudoers file by using visudo command Defaults env_keep += "GTK_MODULES" Then running for example sudo pluma will give you accessible text editor running as root. As I have just said I'll play with this more. On 07.12.2015 at 19:26 kendell clark wrote: > hi > I'll test it. Do I simply clone the at-spi2-atk branch and apply the > patch there? > Thanks > Kendell clark > > > On 12/07/2015 12:14 PM, Mike Gorse wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I've seen something similar; currently, when deciding whether to accept >> a connection from an application such as orca, at-spi2-atk tries to >> determine whether the user making the connection is the same user >> running the application being connected to. If the application being >> connected to is running as root, then it tries to figure out whether its >> parent process is owned by the user making the connection. It seems that >> this doesn't always work. >> >> I am considering applying the attached patch. It would be helpful if >> someone is able to test it. >> >> Thanks, >> -Mike >> >> On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, Peter Vágner wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have already tried looking into this however I don't have a full >>> understanding of the accessibility stack so I was not yet able to come >>> up with a solution / workaround / whatever that might improve the >>> situation. >>> >>> What I have understood so far: >>> - This is not orca's fault since it has already been explained. >>> - I haven't noticed enviromment variables which may control this on my >>> system while testing with gnome. >>> - It's not an at-spi nor ATK's fault as it's installed and launched >>> the same way in gnome and also in mate. I assumed we might miss some >>> dbus configuration files or other gnome specific features when >>> launching gui apps as root. >>> >>> Perhaps someone can remember /root/.orbitrc file where we were able to >>> tune this back in the corba days. >>> >>> I believe if I was able to understand how gnome does it I might be >>> able to replicate this on other desktops. >>> >>> Greetings >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> On 07.12.2015 at 16:35 kendell clark wrote: >>>> hi all >>>> Since I'm trying to improve the accessibility of the mate desktop, I've >>>> been digging into why apps being launched as root are inaccessible to >>>> orca. Joanie pointed out that generating a debug log wouldn't help >>>> because orca isn't recieving any events so can't process them. I think >>>> I've found a reproduceable way to encounter the issue. Steps to >>>> reproduce. 1: Log into mate in your favorite login manager. 2: make sure >>>> orca starts. 3: run an app that requires root privs, example gparted. 4: >>>> Log out and log back into a desktop such as gnome or unity which this >>>> does work. Do not restart, but press the log out button in mate's menus. >>>> then try to launch the same app you just did using mate. What should >>>> happen is that orca should then read the app. But this doesn't work. >>>> This leads me to think this is an at-spi, rather than an orca issue. But >>>> I'll need help from someone smarter than me to tell for sure. If anyone >>>> can confirm or at least get close, I'll file a bug against at-spi2-core >>>> so that this can get fixed. Note that this happens in cinnamon also >>>> sometimes but not always. I think it may have something to do with the >>>> fact that when logging out, the copy of at-spi2-registryd isn't killed, >>>> instead a new instance is spawned, which can sometimes lead orca to >>>> start but not speak because you can only have so many instances going at >>>> once. Why orca doesn't connect to the existing one I don't know but I'm >>>> sure it tries to. >>>> Thanks >>>> Kendell clark >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> From number6@noisynotes.com Mon Dec 7 21:32:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F386C768D5 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 21:32:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n8INrSzkO8oj for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 21:32:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 430 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:32:39 UTC Received: from p3plsmtpa07-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.230]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398ED76234 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 21:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from village2 ([108.41.193.153]) by p3plsmtpa07-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id qlRV1r0043K2U5001lRVL0; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 14:25:30 -0700 From: Steve Matzura To: orca Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 16:25:29 -0500 Organization: Noisy Notes Message-ID: <11ub6blj4efm1kkuc7pge4r8s79vhj9lfu@4ax.com> User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.20.32.1218 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [orca-list] Frustrated Newbie X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:32:40 -0000 I just finished a brand-spanking-new install of Ubuntu 14.04-3 courtesy of the Vinux Project, which comes up with Orca. Fine. So I know very very little about Orca, so I went to the page recommended by the introductory message to this list at https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Orca?action=3Dshow&redirect=3D= Orca. There I found a page which was supposed to explain how to configure it at https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/ConfigurationUse - and what did I find there? This page hasn't been created yet. OK, back to Square One. Where to go to learn how to tame this new beast, change volume level, various speech parms, how to disable it in startup and possibly come up in a talking CLI window, etc.? From zahari.yurukov@gmail.com Mon Dec 7 22:46:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F383D76A62 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 22:46:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1KJzR3VuOBrf for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 22:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f52.google.com (mail-wm0-f52.google.com [74.125.82.52]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C22976234 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2015 22:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wmec201 with SMTP id c201so6921316wme.1 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 14:46:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pqAgd3PRFGePFe6vJGrwd/cufg3otLVo3SXcHF3JFSQ=; b=cgneYlOW++Ar1QB8H2vxHyLkRVQl1V+fqeAvkRsRBCyHN9QLp78XBKhKIOXvPj0de6 vMvvB8ZEXtsQvvkJYuJ09Lzx2hSCe+tQpgBq5pxoYxw15gCFMWSMkX4o7KhNeezJSvSQ jq+B+sf3WW5E26D5BLd3obnsV0x9tPQGqpplslcoz735JWqf/LBPzq8ud6eTbTQ3lQaA w4D049SUS7U2FM6SrD9kBcrWD8NRDLbZjTrvH+8DLVgbIimADx2Ik0XZcOLlEyMZOefW bs803B63BVkiLVbtqmYWjBeZL8RHY5QKBNzoaMvnObif+Ix2Po6s2n9Iesq33l4QORBr FwUg== X-Received: by 10.194.209.195 with SMTP id mo3mr248316wjc.16.1449528363016; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 14:46:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([87.121.101.209]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id l20sm18752975wmd.20.2015.12.07.14.46.01 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Dec 2015 14:46:01 -0800 (PST) To: Orca-list References: <11ub6blj4efm1kkuc7pge4r8s79vhj9lfu@4ax.com> From: Zahari Yurukov X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56660C29.9040407@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:46:01 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <11ub6blj4efm1kkuc7pge4r8s79vhj9lfu@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Frustrated Newbie X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 22:46:03 -0000 Hi, The Orca modifier key when using the desktop layout (default) is the Insert key. YOu can enter Orca preferences with Orca Modifier + Space. You can enter Learn mode with Orca modifier + h. You can open Orca's help documentation by pressing the Help button in Orca preferences window or by pressing the F1 key in Learn mode. hth, Zahari On 12/07/2015 11:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: > I just finished a brand-spanking-new install of Ubuntu 14.04-3 > courtesy of the Vinux Project, which comes up with Orca. Fine. So I > know very very little about Orca, so I went to the page recommended by > the introductory message to this list at > https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Orca?action=show&redirect=Orca. > There I found a page which was supposed to explain how to configure > it at https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/ConfigurationUse - and what > did I find there? This page hasn't been created yet. OK, back to > Square One. Where to go to learn how to tame this new beast, change > volume level, various speech parms, how to disable it in startup and > possibly come up in a talking CLI window, etc.? > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From number6@noisynotes.com Tue Dec 8 00:15:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF25876569 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:15:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gADlx5koaw6a for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:15:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 430 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 00:15:14 UTC Received: from p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.110]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C744763D9 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from village2 ([108.41.193.153]) by p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id qo841r0033K2U5001o84ek; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 17:08:05 -0700 From: Steve Matzura To: orca Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 19:08:04 -0500 Organization: Noisy Notes Message-ID: <2p7c6b10hn6tpq5be1tt3dfk0fhrmflthq@4ax.com> References: <11ub6blj4efm1kkuc7pge4r8s79vhj9lfu@4ax.com> <56660C29.9040407@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <56660C29.9040407@gmail.com> User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.20.32.1218 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] Frustrated Newbie X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 00:15:15 -0000 Oh, it certainly did, Zahari. Thanks for the great tips. At the very least, this should be in that "configuring Orca" page. It would have lowered my frustration level a lot if I knew that when I first booted this thing. Thanks again. On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:46:01 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, >The Orca modifier key when using the desktop layout (default) is the >Insert key. >YOu can enter Orca preferences with Orca Modifier + Space. >You can enter Learn mode with Orca modifier + h. >You can open Orca's help documentation by pressing the Help button in >Orca preferences window or by pressing the F1 key in Learn mode. > >hth, >Zahari > >On 12/07/2015 11:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: >> I just finished a brand-spanking-new install of Ubuntu 14.04-3 >> courtesy of the Vinux Project, which comes up with Orca. Fine. So I >> know very very little about Orca, so I went to the page recommended by >> the introductory message to this list at >> = https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Orca?action=3Dshow&redirect=3D= Orca. >> There I found a page which was supposed to explain how to configure >> it at https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/ConfigurationUse - and what >> did I find there? This page hasn't been created yet. OK, back to >> Square One. Where to go to learn how to tame this new beast, change >> volume level, various speech parms, how to disable it in startup and >> possibly come up in a talking CLI window, etc.? >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>=20 >_______________________________________________ >orca-list mailing list >orca-list@gnome.org >https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Dec 8 00:45:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4EF76569 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:45:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FB6qPS1XCoJ6 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9CC763D9 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [104.200.154.28] (helo=[10.121.1.6]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim) id 1a66PU-0005dO-Km for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 01:45:41 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <11ub6blj4efm1kkuc7pge4r8s79vhj9lfu@4ax.com> <56660C29.9040407@gmail.com> <2p7c6b10hn6tpq5be1tt3dfk0fhrmflthq@4ax.com> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <56662827.8080002@igalia.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 01:45:27 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2p7c6b10hn6tpq5be1tt3dfk0fhrmflthq@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Volunteers to update the wiki? (was Re: Frustrated Newbie) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 00:45:42 -0000 Hey all. Periodically I put out a call for volunteers to update the wiki, deleting all the old cruft and either writing new content or pointing to the existing content in the docs (which I updated this past release cycle and have been adding to since). Having community members take on this task would be super. And it sounds like it would have helped Steve. Thanks! --joanie On 12/08/2015 01:08 AM, Steve Matzura wrote: > Oh, it certainly did, Zahari. Thanks for the great tips. At the very > least, this should be in that "configuring Orca" page. It would have > lowered my frustration level a lot if I knew that when I first booted > this thing. > > Thanks again. > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:46:01 +0200, you wrote: > >> Hi, >> The Orca modifier key when using the desktop layout (default) is the >> Insert key. >> YOu can enter Orca preferences with Orca Modifier + Space. >> You can enter Learn mode with Orca modifier + h. >> You can open Orca's help documentation by pressing the Help button in >> Orca preferences window or by pressing the F1 key in Learn mode. >> >> hth, >> Zahari >> >> On 12/07/2015 11:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: >>> I just finished a brand-spanking-new install of Ubuntu 14.04-3 >>> courtesy of the Vinux Project, which comes up with Orca. Fine. So I >>> know very very little about Orca, so I went to the page recommended by >>> the introductory message to this list at >>> https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Orca?action=show&redirect=Orca. >>> There I found a page which was supposed to explain how to configure >>> it at https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/ConfigurationUse - and what >>> did I find there? This page hasn't been created yet. OK, back to >>> Square One. Where to go to learn how to tame this new beast, change >>> volume level, various speech parms, how to disable it in startup and >>> possibly come up in a talking CLI window, etc.? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From fudge@thefudge.net Tue Dec 8 01:36:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CDD76569 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 01:36:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.935 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k2NuNHyCxN7S for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 01:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f51.google.com (mail-pa0-f51.google.com [209.85.220.51]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7089F763D9 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 01:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pacwq6 with SMTP id wq6so3085296pac.1 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 17:36:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thefudge-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iHpTTb1EQDymR75ycaZaWRRJvFywOC3drBzEakcHZzg=; b=f4j7iFPBOKKcMqxbSkEEaCd952Zfhpai/OGEzlS4+ftVUHEoW+4/s+BAveeY2NhLxL OnWWAypnhyT9ISy1lAvyCgbRRiEmZtYeU7uSuc225QWHbF4NekI6ZT6Pq6eKHKbDUqXe W8sjcUqac6rb+HYB/LhNpsj7uUIQw5ppWnLGQR2ThhMAqxwNn2I2amtjoSe5kgkyfEwm QIou5PI1HCrS0Mm6+3LVUmg+4PZrnb4g79oOcP7Ytf6mg/mqH8EuQl9tAUcR6cJR9cIA hmqAx1OjC29jd9Jafs9UXnlSWvzoVaDwDsvVLgyv2mpfaL9vdQhOXWT+QBMT/3Y0tiiI kddw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iHpTTb1EQDymR75ycaZaWRRJvFywOC3drBzEakcHZzg=; b=jAHtZ2UvVw/2wDnHC6F8C6qaE4fsZBagQmVAgahmAxJhAC6Gs7UScDOC2XWhgat0ch IJAhBYW2Ci470MOYQIpA/VxiljDbXNxSj6MWVOJiVKNrOukTM3Vj6HsndB6aF9Ro2XV2 rzdu2/9Kq0NJryuGXdONEPaWPn1jogpLVrQT8NQuvOu2qJW3ryn8vM8JaOt9lUo2vF3I ndVr1CkZUKDsVwFnkIliGOPUCDfcDhYN+BrdXmDBzsaHE/zt73nLEEqPdIzDhbz0YvYS R+FMKPzQtpkFCpy62YZpsZZC81hrhg0Qyd1PwAQar+2DFLqNFtctpsf1L4k8aDoQtY8E xeig== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnv6V5CI+zUCLYXw2wOCpavGkRq42XMUyr/kpTEDfrMPoDdP+ev6TXR7AdqTXrjAWv00O7hmdGoOGo1MF3cEy9CPD/iGA== X-Received: by 10.66.136.108 with SMTP id pz12mr1163928pab.93.1449538560194; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 17:36:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.10.10.49] (182-239-134-165.ip.adam.com.au. [182.239.134.165]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 87sm585055pfj.23.2015.12.07.17.35.58 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Dec 2015 17:35:59 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <11ub6blj4efm1kkuc7pge4r8s79vhj9lfu@4ax.com> <56660C29.9040407@gmail.com> <2p7c6b10hn6tpq5be1tt3dfk0fhrmflthq@4ax.com> <56662827.8080002@igalia.com> From: Rob Whyte Message-ID: <566633F8.2050601@thefudge.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 12:35:52 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56662827.8080002@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Volunteers to update the wiki? (was Re: Frustrated Newbie) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 01:36:01 -0000 Hi, I would be happy to take on some of the responsibility. cheers Rob On 08/12/15 11:45, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hey all. > > Periodically I put out a call for volunteers to update the wiki, > deleting all the old cruft and either writing new content or pointing to > the existing content in the docs (which I updated this past release > cycle and have been adding to since). Having community members take on > this task would be super. And it sounds like it would have helped Steve. > > Thanks! > --joanie > > On 12/08/2015 01:08 AM, Steve Matzura wrote: >> Oh, it certainly did, Zahari. Thanks for the great tips. At the very >> least, this should be in that "configuring Orca" page. It would have >> lowered my frustration level a lot if I knew that when I first booted >> this thing. >> >> Thanks again. >> >> On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:46:01 +0200, you wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> The Orca modifier key when using the desktop layout (default) is the >>> Insert key. >>> YOu can enter Orca preferences with Orca Modifier + Space. >>> You can enter Learn mode with Orca modifier + h. >>> You can open Orca's help documentation by pressing the Help button in >>> Orca preferences window or by pressing the F1 key in Learn mode. >>> >>> hth, >>> Zahari >>> >>> On 12/07/2015 11:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: >>>> I just finished a brand-spanking-new install of Ubuntu 14.04-3 >>>> courtesy of the Vinux Project, which comes up with Orca. Fine. So I >>>> know very very little about Orca, so I went to the page recommended by >>>> the introductory message to this list at >>>> https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Orca?action=show&redirect=Orca. >>>> There I found a page which was supposed to explain how to configure >>>> it at https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/ConfigurationUse - and what >>>> did I find there? This page hasn't been created yet. OK, back to >>>> Square One. Where to go to learn how to tame this new beast, change >>>> volume level, various speech parms, how to disable it in startup and >>>> possibly come up in a talking CLI window, etc.? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From fudge@thefudge.net Tue Dec 8 01:46:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2616176569 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 01:46:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.935 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qKteQbOGfVE6 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 01:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf0-f174.google.com (mail-pf0-f174.google.com [209.85.192.174]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB09C763D9 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 01:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pfdd184 with SMTP id d184so3222530pfd.3 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 17:46:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thefudge-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:references:to:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Bfax2B3MOFOERVergefzjOpQwBj2Qpinc42C9L0eJGY=; b=k31XVAbWkLTOvRyHKPzn79nz+pMpp6jSN4kJkONvFLRgOt+iV8kz5bvvcsguEo4OlB ekDrEb7YpBwZnQJ+yhdd+KeXiUxpHDnD9mol6H0LstMCyufzltJnZzcdvTFiNS/GF6FB 0abXqScpA30BueLkugRnsmgDupW6sPSj7tui+hNkbztSsuNa2tKwhZLluE27e1zxvf/I ZARxw/II4GBgbsbhH8GEXMzVeQ0IfCBgm8R1RzUYbc654rix6BODfXSxHjv/3Nqzm9/9 UqdyeBiYN+RuKxeleuel/DkNWMooBAiB2fpCdk+NvkmReuj8TKwNtEZ32wa6Tbz1BsSJ wAdg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:references:to:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Bfax2B3MOFOERVergefzjOpQwBj2Qpinc42C9L0eJGY=; b=S/Eu2ogN0AuqTNZysK4ruAkj9oo3h52b6HbjGTo/pg6ZjnH43n80arT6z2ALjJIIqm /fK8GHdI2YRKYd0f+Qd636VXLtrx4sgn1h1jP1Yc1l1WfMSTqrwIAEyJ9e1LDdJf+I18 0X7wRLpD74yGeH6baVaTZs/IXrgEg5pKXH4SMC+SPSjf9dcPe/Rk3AgX9UKY8SaSX+rv gkLJXBVKzhkgiQu6prExeY/GyUvnNjDQtm6ieleadbB314XHsxICljgmDvhbMXoPxD8E 4vl3LXqoY+QHsp9dLv7A36nZ4arG7+NLP8GlPyKD9LbtGnCIPBAskrv5q1gvotJgR0n0 QfVA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk63THhyKapyhAwqO+bBbvrQButR6eUYZWqF9i30WwYjiwSv/tV+OfmeLdE0zg81UZ2d6erW8MayR1eHuNO/64bvRdwJA== X-Received: by 10.98.9.4 with SMTP id e4mr1302436pfd.18.1449539217222; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 17:46:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.10.10.49] (182-239-134-165.ip.adam.com.au. [182.239.134.165]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id pb9sm607945pac.38.2015.12.07.17.46.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Dec 2015 17:46:56 -0800 (PST) References: <5663F0E9.2070807@thefudge.net> <56640F45.1090300@informal.com.br> To: orca-list , Joanmarie Diggs From: Rob Whyte Message-ID: <5666368B.8070700@thefudge.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 12:46:51 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56640F45.1090300@informal.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Announcing consecutive punctuation bug X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 01:46:57 -0000 Hi, thanks for the replies. Is this the expected behaviour Joanie? Thanks Rob On 06/12/15 21:34, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote: > Hi. > Reading your message orca reads only === instead of read 19 =. > Reading with SayALL or line by line. > Thanks. > > On 12/06/2015 06:25 AM, Rob Whyte wrote: >> Hi, >> in say all speaking of consecutive characters seems to be ignored. >> Would someone please confirm this? >> =================== >> In say all the above line would have said 19 equal signs. >> However reading the line by itself Orca announces 19 equals characters >> as the expected behaviour should be. >> >> thanks >> Rob >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Dec 8 06:01:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45427625B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 06:01:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XPiYNmrTWdTP for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 06:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E842A760B1 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 06:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [173.199.65.45] (helo=[10.194.1.6]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim) id 1a6BLB-0000Fl-7k; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 07:01:33 +0100 To: Rob Whyte References: <5663F0E9.2070807@thefudge.net> <56640F45.1090300@informal.com.br> <5666368B.8070700@thefudge.net> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <5666722F.6050301@igalia.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 07:01:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5666368B.8070700@thefudge.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Announcing consecutive punctuation bug X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 06:01:36 -0000 It's probably the result of being treated as, or as part of, a "sentence." I'll take a look. Thanks! --joanie On 12/08/2015 02:46 AM, Rob Whyte wrote: > Hi, > thanks for the replies. > Is this the expected behaviour Joanie? > > Thanks > Rob > > On 06/12/15 21:34, Jos� Vilmar Est�cio de Souza wrote: >> Hi. >> Reading your message orca reads only === instead of read 19 =. >> Reading with SayALL or line by line. >> Thanks. >> >> On 12/06/2015 06:25 AM, Rob Whyte wrote: >>> Hi, >>> in say all speaking of consecutive characters seems to be ignored. >>> Would someone please confirm this? >>> =================== >>> In say all the above line would have said 19 equal signs. >>> However reading the line by itself Orca announces 19 equals characters >>> as the expected behaviour should be. >>> >>> thanks >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > > From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Dec 8 06:06:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45D576357 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 06:06:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DfD29KCE5zEO for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 06:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C7D760B1 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 06:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [173.199.65.45] (helo=[10.194.1.6]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim) id 1a6BPr-0000cA-RC; Tue, 08 Dec 2015 07:06:24 +0100 To: Rob Whyte References: <11ub6blj4efm1kkuc7pge4r8s79vhj9lfu@4ax.com> <56660C29.9040407@gmail.com> <2p7c6b10hn6tpq5be1tt3dfk0fhrmflthq@4ax.com> <56662827.8080002@igalia.com> <566633F8.2050601@thefudge.net> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <56667352.5020306@igalia.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 07:06:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <566633F8.2050601@thefudge.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Volunteers to update the wiki? (was Re: Frustrated Newbie) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 06:06:28 -0000 Hi Rob. Excellent, thanks! Feel free to just do it (tm), coordinate it, whatever. You rock!! --joanie On 12/08/2015 02:35 AM, Rob Whyte wrote: > Hi, > I would be happy to take on some of the responsibility. > > cheers > Rob > > On 08/12/15 11:45, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> Hey all. >> >> Periodically I put out a call for volunteers to update the wiki, >> deleting all the old cruft and either writing new content or pointing to >> the existing content in the docs (which I updated this past release >> cycle and have been adding to since). Having community members take on >> this task would be super. And it sounds like it would have helped Steve. >> >> Thanks! >> --joanie >> >> On 12/08/2015 01:08 AM, Steve Matzura wrote: >>> Oh, it certainly did, Zahari. Thanks for the great tips. At the very >>> least, this should be in that "configuring Orca" page. It would have >>> lowered my frustration level a lot if I knew that when I first booted >>> this thing. >>> >>> Thanks again. >>> >>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:46:01 +0200, you wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> The Orca modifier key when using the desktop layout (default) is the >>>> Insert key. >>>> YOu can enter Orca preferences with Orca Modifier + Space. >>>> You can enter Learn mode with Orca modifier + h. >>>> You can open Orca's help documentation by pressing the Help button in >>>> Orca preferences window or by pressing the F1 key in Learn mode. >>>> >>>> hth, >>>> Zahari >>>> >>>> On 12/07/2015 11:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: >>>>> I just finished a brand-spanking-new install of Ubuntu 14.04-3 >>>>> courtesy of the Vinux Project, which comes up with Orca. Fine. So I >>>>> know very very little about Orca, so I went to the page recommended by >>>>> the introductory message to this list at >>>>> https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Orca?action=show&redirect=Orca. >>>>> There I found a page which was supposed to explain how to configure >>>>> it at https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/ConfigurationUse - and what >>>>> did I find there? This page hasn't been created yet. OK, back to >>>>> Square One. Where to go to learn how to tame this new beast, change >>>>> volume level, various speech parms, how to disable it in startup and >>>>> possibly come up in a talking CLI window, etc.? >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From coffeekingms@gmail.com Tue Dec 8 07:47:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDA47625B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 07:47:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QuB3q74xY3yj for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 07:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com (mail-ob0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297AF760B1 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2015 07:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcse5 with SMTP id se5so7975722obc.3 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 23:47:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PLv7qqjhmgXOmDHk+Nk3MUMhjntZmxtgSuOrkzE+IWU=; b=pnPIUcsoTwD9uecvdyESaUen8u9mikYgoAaPZTJcUqCXmf8Dru/w/6oFEEp33VU3uC +b8aVjIP5mlp4botrSkinoRJ1/HyqaR/8FanPoe1yihKru0J0k9x2Luqvi0Bf8QxBwAT s1n+dSYRLBoTTuS8SsiiLYnv3tKdZjIKlypunX+bioi93yHVG1Bb6trmm9irbBz4n7M1 u1otcNPupb2PctsOzBaVPc+ZOZJfSyJCGg9APk5KRJe/TQm2KZkJJ1ToJhOErtHoNma5 Jrc2aKMJa15eghZA7gpZM044IsmvVvK82mUOgMyjXkV/GEuiyQqtQQ1qHKHI4G4myTUy rhOg== X-Received: by 10.60.129.233 with SMTP id nz9mr1386508oeb.48.1449560830458; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 23:47:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id wu6sm863804obb.16.2015.12.07.23.47.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Dec 2015 23:47:09 -0800 (PST) To: Joanmarie Diggs , Rob Whyte References: <11ub6blj4efm1kkuc7pge4r8s79vhj9lfu@4ax.com> <56660C29.9040407@gmail.com> <2p7c6b10hn6tpq5be1tt3dfk0fhrmflthq@4ax.com> <56662827.8080002@igalia.com> <566633F8.2050601@thefudge.net> <56667352.5020306@igalia.com> From: kendell clark Message-ID: <56668AEC.7060506@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 01:46:52 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56667352.5020306@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Volunteers to update the wiki? (was Re: Frustrated Newbie) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 07:47:10 -0000 hi joanie: I'll take this on as well, but I can't write wiki code. Would you be willing to take an open document format file and translate into the expected wiki format? If not, I can try to learn whatever language the wiki uses, is it markdown? I tried this with rob and vinux and never quite got the hang of it, although it doesn't look hard. Thanks Kendell clark On 12/08/2015 12:06 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi Rob. > > Excellent, thanks! Feel free to just do it (tm), coordinate it, > whatever. You rock!! > > --joanie > > On 12/08/2015 02:35 AM, Rob Whyte wrote: >> Hi, >> I would be happy to take on some of the responsibility. >> >> cheers >> Rob >> >> On 08/12/15 11:45, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>> Hey all. >>> >>> Periodically I put out a call for volunteers to update the wiki, >>> deleting all the old cruft and either writing new content or pointing to >>> the existing content in the docs (which I updated this past release >>> cycle and have been adding to since). Having community members take on >>> this task would be super. And it sounds like it would have helped Steve. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> --joanie >>> >>> On 12/08/2015 01:08 AM, Steve Matzura wrote: >>>> Oh, it certainly did, Zahari. Thanks for the great tips. At the very >>>> least, this should be in that "configuring Orca" page. It would have >>>> lowered my frustration level a lot if I knew that when I first booted >>>> this thing. >>>> >>>> Thanks again. >>>> >>>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:46:01 +0200, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> The Orca modifier key when using the desktop layout (default) is the >>>>> Insert key. >>>>> YOu can enter Orca preferences with Orca Modifier + Space. >>>>> You can enter Learn mode with Orca modifier + h. >>>>> You can open Orca's help documentation by pressing the Help button in >>>>> Orca preferences window or by pressing the F1 key in Learn mode. >>>>> >>>>> hth, >>>>> Zahari >>>>> >>>>> On 12/07/2015 11:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: >>>>>> I just finished a brand-spanking-new install of Ubuntu 14.04-3 >>>>>> courtesy of the Vinux Project, which comes up with Orca. Fine. So I >>>>>> know very very little about Orca, so I went to the page recommended by >>>>>> the introductory message to this list at >>>>>> https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Orca?action=show&redirect=Orca. >>>>>> There I found a page which was supposed to explain how to configure >>>>>> it at https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/ConfigurationUse - and what >>>>>> did I find there? This page hasn't been created yet. OK, back to >>>>>> Square One. Where to go to learn how to tame this new beast, change >>>>>> volume level, various speech parms, how to disable it in startup and >>>>>> possibly come up in a talking CLI window, etc.? >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From r.d.t.prater@gmail.com Tue Dec 8 11:53:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932A3765A3 for ; 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(was Re: Frustrated Newbie) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 11:53:06 -0000 Oh, if it's Markdown, I'm fairly good with that. I'll have to brush up my kn= owledge of the links and such, but besides that, I'm fairly good, mainly bec= ause my iOS text editor uses MD.=20 Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 8, 2015, at 1:46 AM, kendell clark wrote: >=20 > hi joanie: > I'll take this on as well, but I can't write wiki code. Would you be > willing to take an open document format file and translate into the > expected wiki format? If not, I can try to learn whatever language the > wiki uses, is it markdown? I tried this with rob and vinux and never > quite got the hang of it, although it doesn't look hard. > Thanks > Kendell clark >=20 >=20 >> On 12/08/2015 12:06 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> Hi Rob. >>=20 >> Excellent, thanks! Feel free to just do it (tm), coordinate it, >> whatever. You rock!! >>=20 >> --joanie >>=20 >>> On 12/08/2015 02:35 AM, Rob Whyte wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I would be happy to take on some of the responsibility. >>>=20 >>> cheers >>> Rob >>>=20 >>>> On 08/12/15 11:45, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>> Hey all. >>>>=20 >>>> Periodically I put out a call for volunteers to update the wiki, >>>> deleting all the old cruft and either writing new content or pointing t= o >>>> the existing content in the docs (which I updated this past release >>>> cycle and have been adding to since). Having community members take on >>>> this task would be super. And it sounds like it would have helped Steve= . >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks! >>>> --joanie >>>>=20 >>>>> On 12/08/2015 01:08 AM, Steve Matzura wrote: >>>>> Oh, it certainly did, Zahari. Thanks for the great tips. At the very >>>>> least, this should be in that "configuring Orca" page. It would have >>>>> lowered my frustration level a lot if I knew that when I first booted >>>>> this thing. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks again. >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:46:01 +0200, you wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> The Orca modifier key when using the desktop layout (default) is the >>>>>> Insert key. >>>>>> YOu can enter Orca preferences with Orca Modifier + Space. >>>>>> You can enter Learn mode with Orca modifier + h. >>>>>> You can open Orca's help documentation by pressing the Help button in= >>>>>> Orca preferences window or by pressing the F1 key in Learn mode. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> hth, >>>>>> Zahari >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On 12/07/2015 11:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: >>>>>>> I just finished a brand-spanking-new install of Ubuntu 14.04-3 >>>>>>> courtesy of the Vinux Project, which comes up with Orca. Fine. So I >>>>>>> know very very little about Orca, so I went to the page recommended b= y >>>>>>> the introductory message to this list at >>>>>>> https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Orca?action=3Dshow&redir= ect=3DOrca. >>>>>>> There I found a page which was supposed to explain how to configure= >>>>>>> it at https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/ConfigurationUse - and wh= at >>>>>>> did I find there? This page hasn't been created yet. OK, back to >>>>>>> Square One. Where to go to learn how to tame this new beast, change >>>>>>> volume level, various speech parms, how to disable it in startup and= >>>>>>> possibly come up in a talking CLI window, etc.? >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-hel= p/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help= /stable/a11y.html >>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/= stable/a11y.html >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/s= table/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/st= able/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/sta= ble/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stab= le/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From fudge@thefudge.net Tue Dec 8 12:00:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78AE768AF for ; 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[182.239.134.165]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id q62sm4406873pfq.6.2015.12.08.04.00.32 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 Dec 2015 04:00:33 -0800 (PST) References: <11ub6blj4efm1kkuc7pge4r8s79vhj9lfu@4ax.com> <56660C29.9040407@gmail.com> <2p7c6b10hn6tpq5be1tt3dfk0fhrmflthq@4ax.com> <56662827.8080002@igalia.com> <566633F8.2050601@thefudge.net> <56667352.5020306@igalia.com> <56668AEC.7060506@gmail.com> <4E8B7E26-25B5-487B-9EE9-0466AA2D5376@gmail.com> To: orca-list From: Rob Whyte Message-ID: <5666C65B.7030901@thefudge.net> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 23:00:27 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4E8B7E26-25B5-487B-9EE9-0466AA2D5376@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Volunteers to update the wiki? (was Re: Frustrated Newbie) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 12:00:33 -0000 Hi, The code is not difficult at all. You can read through the content and see how things are done very easily. Don't let not thinking you can do it hold you back. If you can write a heading from an example: == what is new in Orca version blah == * this is * that is * stop asking all the time :p Then you can contribute too., The more of us that contribute, the more that benefit. kind regards Rob Whyte On 08/12/15 22:53, Devin Prater wrote: > Oh, if it's Markdown, I'm fairly good with that. I'll have to brush up my knowledge of the links and such, but besides that, I'm fairly good, mainly because my iOS text editor uses MD. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 8, 2015, at 1:46 AM, kendell clark wrote: >> >> hi joanie: >> I'll take this on as well, but I can't write wiki code. Would you be >> willing to take an open document format file and translate into the >> expected wiki format? If not, I can try to learn whatever language the >> wiki uses, is it markdown? I tried this with rob and vinux and never >> quite got the hang of it, although it doesn't look hard. >> Thanks >> Kendell clark >> >> >>> On 12/08/2015 12:06 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>> Hi Rob. >>> >>> Excellent, thanks! Feel free to just do it (tm), coordinate it, >>> whatever. You rock!! >>> >>> --joanie >>> >>>> On 12/08/2015 02:35 AM, Rob Whyte wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> I would be happy to take on some of the responsibility. >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> Rob >>>> >>>>> On 08/12/15 11:45, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>>> Hey all. >>>>> >>>>> Periodically I put out a call for volunteers to update the wiki, >>>>> deleting all the old cruft and either writing new content or pointing to >>>>> the existing content in the docs (which I updated this past release >>>>> cycle and have been adding to since). Having community members take on >>>>> this task would be super. And it sounds like it would have helped Steve. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> --joanie >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/08/2015 01:08 AM, Steve Matzura wrote: >>>>>> Oh, it certainly did, Zahari. Thanks for the great tips. At the very >>>>>> least, this should be in that "configuring Orca" page. It would have >>>>>> lowered my frustration level a lot if I knew that when I first booted >>>>>> this thing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks again. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:46:01 +0200, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> The Orca modifier key when using the desktop layout (default) is the >>>>>>> Insert key. >>>>>>> YOu can enter Orca preferences with Orca Modifier + Space. >>>>>>> You can enter Learn mode with Orca modifier + h. >>>>>>> You can open Orca's help documentation by pressing the Help button in >>>>>>> Orca preferences window or by pressing the F1 key in Learn mode. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> hth, >>>>>>> Zahari >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/07/2015 11:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: >>>>>>>> I just finished a brand-spanking-new install of Ubuntu 14.04-3 >>>>>>>> courtesy of the Vinux Project, which comes up with Orca. Fine. So I >>>>>>>> know very very little about Orca, so I went to the page recommended by >>>>>>>> the introductory message to this list at >>>>>>>> https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Orca?action=show&redirect=Orca. >>>>>>>> There I found a page which was supposed to explain how to configure >>>>>>>> it at https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/ConfigurationUse - and what >>>>>>>> did I find there? This page hasn't been created yet. OK, back to >>>>>>>> Square One. Where to go to learn how to tame this new beast, change >>>>>>>> volume level, various speech parms, how to disable it in startup and >>>>>>>> possibly come up in a talking CLI window, etc.? >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From chrys87@web.de Tue Dec 8 15:49:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A3C76A36 for ; 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(was Re: Frustrated Newbie) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:49:29 -0000 Hi, Here is the Documentation of the complete syntax (and more). https://wiki.gnome.org/QuickStart cheers chrys Am 08.12.2015 um 13:00 schrieb Rob Whyte: > Hi, > The code is not difficult at all. > You can read through the content and see how things are done very easily. > Don't let not thinking you can do it hold you back. > > If you can writhttps://wiki.gnome.org/QuickStarte a heading from an example: > > == what is new in Orca version blah == > * this is > * that is > * stop asking all the time :p > > Then you can contribute too., > > The more of us that contribute, the more that benefit. > > kind regards > Rob Whyte > > On 08/12/15 22:53, Devin Prater wrote: >> Oh, if it's Markdown, I'm fairly good with that. I'll have to brush up my knowledge of the links and such, but besides that, I'm fairly good, mainly because my iOS text editor uses MD. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 1:46 AM, kendell clark wrote: >>> >>> hi joanie: >>> I'll take this on as well, but I can't write wiki code. Would you be >>> willing to take an open document format file and translate into the >>> expected wiki format? If not, I can try to learn whatever language the >>> wiki uses, is it markdown? I tried this with rob and vinux and never >>> quite got the hang of it, although it doesn't look hard. >>> Thanks >>> Kendell clark >>> >>> >>>> On 12/08/2015 12:06 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>> Hi Rob. >>>> >>>> Excellent, thanks! Feel free to just do it (tm), coordinate it, >>>> whatever. You rock!! >>>> >>>> --joanie >>>> >>>>> On 12/08/2015 02:35 AM, Rob Whyte wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I would be happy to take on some of the responsibility. >>>>> >>>>> cheers >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>>> On 08/12/15 11:45, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>>>> Hey all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Periodically I put out a call for volunteers to update the wiki, >>>>>> deleting all the old cruft and either writing new content or pointing to >>>>>> the existing content in the docs (which I updated this past release >>>>>> cycle and have been adding to since). Having community members take on >>>>>> this task would be super. And it sounds like it would have helped Steve. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> --joanie >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/08/2015 01:08 AM, Steve Matzura wrote: >>>>>>> Oh, it certainly did, Zahari. Thanks for the great tips. At the very >>>>>>> least, this should be in that "configuring Orca" page. It would have >>>>>>> lowered my frustration level a lot if I knew that when I first booted >>>>>>> this thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 00:46:01 +0200, you wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> The Orca modifier key when using the desktop layout (default) is the >>>>>>>> Insert key. >>>>>>>> YOu can enter Orca preferences with Orca Modifier + Space. >>>>>>>> You can enter Learn mode with Orca modifier + h. >>>>>>>> You can open Orca's help documentation by pressing the Help button in >>>>>>>> Orca preferences window or by pressing the F1 key in Learn mode. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hth, >>>>>>>> Zahari >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/07/2015 11:25 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: >>>>>>>>> I just finished a brand-spanking-new install of Ubuntu 14.04-3 >>>>>>>>> courtesy of the Vinux Project, which comes up with Orca. Fine. So I >>>>>>>>> know very very little about Orca, so I went to the page recommended by >>>>>>>>> the introductory message to this list at >>>>>>>>> https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Orca?action=show&redirect=Orca. >>>>>>>>> There I found a page which was supposed to explain how to configure >>>>>>>>> it at https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca/ConfigurationUse - and what >>>>>>>>> did I find there? This page hasn't been created yet. OK, back to >>>>>>>>> Square One. Where to go to learn how to tame this new beast, change >>>>>>>>> volume level, various speech parms, how to disable it in startup and >>>>>>>>> possibly come up in a talking CLI window, etc.? >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From rynkruger@gmail.com Wed Dec 9 09:23:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF47769D2 for ; 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charset=UTF-8 Hi list, I have a strange problem. I am unable to perform synthesized mouse clicks. This includes mouse clickes performed by Orca, as well as Ocrdesktop. The touchpad on my laptop however, does work. I looked at Orca's debug output to see if I can track down the problem, but according to Orca mouse events get synthesized, but the actual click is never performed. Has someone experiance something like this before? I did reset my Dconf settings, but nothing changed. I also tryed other desktops besides Gnome3 (mate, Lxde), but with the same results. I'm using Arch. Regards, Rynhardt --047d7b3432981823ce052673a5fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi list,

I have a strange= problem. I am unable to perform synthesized mouse clicks. This includes mo= use clickes performed by Orca, as well as Ocrdesktop. The touchpad on my la= ptop however, does work. I looked at Orca's debug output to see if I ca= n track down the problem, but according to Orca mouse events get synthesize= d, but the actual click is never performed.
Has someone experiance= something like this before? I did reset my Dconf settings, but nothing cha= nged. I also tryed other desktops besides Gnome3 (mate, Lxde), but with the= same results.
I'm using Arch.
Regards,
=
Rynhardt
--047d7b3432981823ce052673a5fe-- From chrys87@web.de Wed Dec 9 11:42:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7E8765BB for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 11:42:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.359 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.359 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TynaeJDTJMYt for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 11:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.15.14]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF2676569 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 11:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.29] ([185.17.204.158]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lkm1c-1ah4Ly2jem-00aYey for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2015 12:42:40 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: From: chrys87 Message-ID: <566813A6.2040000@web.de> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 12:42:30 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070509000204080208050109" X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:wtXEpyqd8BJtHc8kZCgtWJJCZS/BtmbOaIyZgZbJ/vpjWSsEw3d 0QpWUqXhFEHrWE/QqbC6LJSwj8zEEtNdDGYHcU2SK8S8rhpSrollLQmqqmqPUWkQyV9JIaX GhBlHzj7huqPYDaKf50LQWUmb1KTFCNLeyYVhfDpE3UayvGvxSASTmXy1yAwxDzMQAu7N4P lmAoMq52fgWvgjcUp61kQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:bNMGSYpeBW8=:08XIe/EooLL5+SAGWGHRxj Jqw8mFOhgsM0mcU0BqdGgbjxwZ2f7qwc+bLUFEFvJuA58ar3hxP0Hds4dhWssEKelNGA0gByV qK1iw1PIKYRwgugDFOhIX8R2qXeakn73/6O6SzXrgpBQpAm9c0Lki70Dpj+hezibvh6gU6jad lhcpUST3D0u5DOtkm/G2sAh3dzmFO2RkCV9jz107jpKqlq6dtJbOIWfwrNHIn6t93T76KsXaT gknA8cdF5ZWR25URtEORVzalL5t5/f77yYtZqDQktdT6fMXDNZKhvZ9SFsnH5cRmprE/Q5RDb o/IyLNJ6l0mqYVez1aQFL4sc5gjhabAr1Y6tawwbQy/nEBs10JbjEXoYYelzFlSeD4t5/M/cr OXXMyrLuu2KVv/9gvAm9m94uRIYzgnr9zHgrWCetYO1kyu55Lm8dSw99AM+essZIMjCUOa8Zp URJcR833uJ7FUpXIZ0j/qgjCHKJI7rtU4jptjvAvcuu2UtNhs5I7cdWdYEqzHBLMWWf6bqEta QpOYglyLpN0pzVY3ffOFDLYyId/cW+24mb11MRZZUfFaEWYy7uODurZwqmD6VixZyt8xHVl0x VBJSLXImgy1PGwsnGGSzfP6gWZiQYaKz6Z/LmZfYkrAOFi46+0uAbmyR1cAWCVgc2l52iBc1h Gpu4ib/Z70qFj8TJ7+5Ch0j+V0SFIB2PdoAuzGwycCl2Pw2agb9G6d6ui9vo7jdh4ASF5GrLb zJ23ueHem0mxd9wQrAWiQQGjzk5N21KAhgNyuk/o98TOjgrhn4Lsm85T3wacTPItcbGZnadF1 e9IXnzu Subject: Re: [orca-list] strange problem synthesizing mouse clicks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2015 11:42:42 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070509000204080208050109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy Rynhardt, ocrdesktop used just like orca python-atspi for synthesizing mouse events. In the Arch repos are currently 2 versions of that bindings (python2 and python3). so: 1. did you install the python3 and remove the python2 bindings bindings (sudo pacman -S python-atspi && sudo pacman -Rscu python2-atspi ). I dont know if that could be a problem. 2. did mouserouting work and just the clicks doesnt? Or does nothing work? 3. does mouse movement overall work with your pc? so with an "real" mouse? if that is hard to track for you just send me two screenshots. before/after moving the mouse :). lets see whats happen. 4. do you get an console output ( a warning or something) if you run "ocrdesktop" in the "gnome-terminal" and do a mouse click? cheers chrys Am 09.12.2015 um 10:23 schrieb Rynhardt Kruger: > Hi list, > > I have a strange problem. I am unable to perform synthesized mouse > clicks. This includes mouse clickes performed by Orca, as well as > Ocrdesktop. The touchpad on my laptop however, does work. I looked at > Orca's debug output to see if I can track down the problem, but > according to Orca mouse events get synthesized, but the actual click > is never performed. > Has someone experiance something like this before? I did reset my > Dconf settings, but nothing changed. I also tryed other desktops > besides Gnome3 (mate, Lxde), but with the same results. > I'm using Arch. > Regards, > > Rynhardt > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --------------070509000204080208050109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Howdy Rynhardt,

ocrdesktop used just like orca python-atspi for synthesizing mouse events. In the Arch repos are currently 2 versions of that bindings (python2 and python3).
so:
1. did you install the python3 and remove the python2 bindings bindings (sudo pacman -S python-atspi && sudo pacman -Rscu python2-atspi ). I dont know if that could be a problem.
2. did mouserouting work and just the clicks doesnt? Or does nothing work?
3. does mouse movement overall work with your pc? so with an "real" mouse?
if that is hard to track for you just send me two screenshots. before/after moving the mouse :). lets see whats happen.
4. do you get an console output ( a warning or something) if you run
"ocrdesktop" in the "gnome-terminal" and do a mouse click?

cheers chrys

Am 09.12.2015 um 10:23 schrieb Rynhardt Kruger:
Hi list,

I have a strange problem. I am unable to perform synthesized mouse clicks. This includes mouse clickes performed by Orca, as well as Ocrdesktop. The touchpad on my laptop however, does work. I looked at Orca's debug output to see if I can track down the problem, but according to Orca mouse events get synthesized, but the actual click is never performed.
Has someone experiance something like this before? I did reset my Dconf settings, but nothing changed. I also tryed other desktops besides Gnome3 (mate, Lxde), but with the same results.
I'm using Arch.
Regards,

Rynhardt


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[62.168.109.217]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id m16sm26149489wmb.13.2015.12.09.05.08.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 Dec 2015 05:08:55 -0800 (PST) To: chrys87 , orca-list@gnome.org References: <566813A6.2040000@web.de> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <566827E6.2020101@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:08:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <566813A6.2040000@web.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070503090709050302080509" Subject: Re: [orca-list] strange problem synthesizing mouse clicks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2015 13:08:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070503090709050302080509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I think python2 vs python3 at-spi bindings can happily coexist on a single system. Rynhardt By any chance are you running Gnome on Wayland? I can't find the related bug report now however I can remember emulating mouse click is something that has been reported not to work on wayland. Greetings Peter On 09.12.2015 at 12:42 chrys87 wrote: > Howdy Rynhardt, > > ocrdesktop used just like orca python-atspi for synthesizing mouse > events. In the Arch repos are currently 2 versions of that bindings > (python2 and python3). > so: > 1. did you install the python3 and remove the python2 bindings > bindings (sudo pacman -S python-atspi && sudo pacman -Rscu > python2-atspi ). I dont know if that could be a problem. > 2. did mouserouting work and just the clicks doesnt? Or does nothing work? > 3. does mouse movement overall work with your pc? so with an "real" > mouse? > if that is hard to track for you just send me two screenshots. > before/after moving the mouse :). lets see whats happen. > 4. do you get an console output ( a warning or something) if you run > "ocrdesktop" in the "gnome-terminal" and do a mouse click? > > cheers chrys > > Am 09.12.2015 um 10:23 schrieb Rynhardt Kruger: >> Hi list, >> >> I have a strange problem. I am unable to perform synthesized mouse >> clicks. This includes mouse clickes performed by Orca, as well as >> Ocrdesktop. The touchpad on my laptop however, does work. I looked at >> Orca's debug output to see if I can track down the problem, but >> according to Orca mouse events get synthesized, but the actual click >> is never performed. >> Has someone experiance something like this before? I did reset my >> Dconf settings, but nothing changed. I also tryed other desktops >> besides Gnome3 (mate, Lxde), but with the same results. >> I'm using Arch. >> Regards, >> >> Rynhardt >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation:https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --------------070503090709050302080509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hello,

I think python2 vs python3 at-spi bindings can happily coexist on a single system.

Rynhardt By any chance are you running Gnome on Wayland? I can't find the related bug report now however I can remember emulating mouse click is something that has been reported not to work on wayland.

Greetings

Peter

On 09.12.2015 at 12:42 chrys87 wrote:
Howdy Rynhardt,

ocrdesktop used just like orca python-atspi for synthesizing mouse events. In the Arch repos are currently 2 versions of that bindings (python2 and python3).
so:
1. did you install the python3 and remove the python2 bindings bindings (sudo pacman -S python-atspi && sudo pacman -Rscu python2-atspi ). I dont know if that could be a problem.
2. did mouserouting work and just the clicks doesnt? Or does nothing work?
3. does mouse movement overall work with your pc? so with an "real" mouse?
if that is hard to track for you just send me two screenshots. before/after moving the mouse :). lets see whats happen.
4. do you get an console output ( a warning or something) if you run
"ocrdesktop" in the "gnome-terminal" and do a mouse click?

cheers chrys

Am 09.12.2015 um 10:23 schrieb Rynhardt Kruger:
Hi list,

I have a strange problem. I am unable to perform synthesized mouse clicks. This includes mouse clickes performed by Orca, as well as Ocrdesktop. The touchpad on my laptop however, does work. I looked at Orca's debug output to see if I can track down the problem, but according to Orca mouse events get synthesized, but the actual click is never performed.
Has someone experiance something like this before? I did reset my Dconf settings, but nothing changed. I also tryed other desktops besides Gnome3 (mate, Lxde), but with the same results.
I'm using Arch.
Regards,

Rynhardt


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[182.239.134.165]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t73sm13467856pfi.83.2015.12.09.12.08.30 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 Dec 2015 12:08:31 -0800 (PST) References: <566866A8.7030706@gmail.com> To: orca-list From: Rob Whyte Message-ID: <56688A3A.2080505@thefudge.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 07:08:26 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <566866A8.7030706@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] vinux question and boot manager question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2015 20:08:32 -0000 Likely you will break it, feel free to report back if you try your system state afterward though. cheers On 10/12/15 04:36, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona wrote: > when using vinux is it ok to update to ubuntu 15 or will doing so > break it > also on the Plop Boot Manager > how do you make your selections via the keyboard eg choosing your > device that it will boot from? > thanks > Hank > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From vincent.legoff.srs@gmail.com Wed Dec 9 21:50:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF99276AC0 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 21:50:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FMv4hOc1_cuQ for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 21:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com (mail-pa0-f42.google.com [209.85.220.42]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206B476ABE for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 21:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pacej9 with SMTP id ej9so36033824pac.2 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2015 13:50:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u8EddqyKiqwdHW0TwVIio2tPUgLnPw6FZobZA5Saxj0=; b=KcQGL+1EAW8n2GbG9FDEgXMydV9kmoUVvyiqlLusIg8OKFZmxfz0B4PVjit/iauYO4 AF+jWi+EIKLGbc5qzxa5uJNyteBPl6gGEFm8uZ2t7l0RUNOtSqFp9Bi5lmVAi7UJBGKo 37DZMfZdqPzkoWlc0BQbql4313jS0ogO0l1v6suVJhWgU469udY7MDJDRNjl5PTQKzN3 P/LyKAPgLEDQ1rJHcUgNiB9OksCkgRLvpP/B8L7NIESCm1EWEbGvJXM0d3raZ9MSkNum 5SODkfdPxONB/YUuOyZuB6u4R8FX6Lm8/9Qg7EX6BNGb0WH4sdVa+5fIk3wtsB4Nh17X VlzA== X-Received: by 10.66.119.202 with SMTP id kw10mr11449310pab.49.1449697829582; Wed, 09 Dec 2015 13:50:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:201:c080:4747:c119:5b18:179c:6752? ([2601:201:c080:4747:c119:5b18:179c:6752]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ix2sm13980113pac.15.2015.12.09.13.50.28 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 Dec 2015 13:50:28 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list From: Vincent LE GOFF Message-ID: <5668A219.1080202@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 13:50:17 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Upgrading BRLTTY X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2015 21:50:29 -0000 Hi everyone, I know this one is a bit off topic, but I'm once more trying to use Orca with just a Braille display (that is, no speech). Of course, this would wok better if the Braille worked properly and I guess the Braille display I have needs a more recent version of BRLTTY. I'm currently running BRLTTY 4.5 and I saw another release, 5.2. Is there any way to upgrade to it without bothering Orca? I'm running Ubuntu. It seems there are pre-compiled packages for Debian*, but there might be an easier move. Thank you, Vincent From kd7cyu@gmail.com Wed Dec 9 22:40:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3075776A47 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 22:40:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.219 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.219 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MALFORMED_FREEMAIL=1.481, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JaKkcWmuoHKx for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 22:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf0-f181.google.com (mail-pf0-f181.google.com [209.85.192.181]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DB676A00 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 22:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pfbg73 with SMTP id g73so37674413pfb.1 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2015 14:40:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=dnSR/Ba7JkYU3zRLNoLIfARuJekMOSIoqFus3r7kCvE=; b=M82FT6NevlErTr/UVNRkWdUED2Xv0ivSPP7ESK/MQeQyWGsg36BCPVZJ+mdNdu6wdR 3dUlo5FHqRdgmzGDA4vFuko7q8WN43zBZjVkZbjcI1fGpBrWF/9084hBMRL3JMw1FwOs g4SQZmlHIv/OZzGi1iaavuFHa3FOX77yZqJM2a/DhkceJXOl8cYdVzr/ZWClx8ztfDI/ JtY21RN/zmT9HIxHX2Mi30/njSKdtoLCe5j7udqq9vlgBK/YyQAsMq3cHlaSOkqtLcog ntGJs9s22dVLr/+uO2x+CRCTKua0PL+X8/W2Fis9YQfTy1d8KkwBMPl+wMYEAtE/0XK3 0Wmw== X-Received: by 10.98.13.211 with SMTP id 80mr2016862pfn.112.1449700818965; Wed, 09 Dec 2015 14:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tom-M2800.local (c-24-16-165-241.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [24.16.165.241]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id rz10sm14109462pac.29.2015.12.09.14.40.17 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 09 Dec 2015 14:40:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:40:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: tom@Tom-M2800 To: Vincent LE GOFF In-Reply-To: <5668A219.1080202@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <5668A219.1080202@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.10 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Upgrading BRLTTY X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: kd7cyu@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2015 22:40:19 -0000 Brltty and orca are only related through the brlapi package as far as I know. SO you should be able to update brltty with no problem and in fact I have run the brltty head with orca and it worked fine. If you have a debian package (.deb) for the version of brltty you want you can install that on ubuntu and it should work. I make no guarantees though. :) Tom On Wed, 9 Dec 2015, Vincent LE GOFF wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I know this one is a bit off topic, but I'm once more trying to use Orca with > just a Braille display (that is, no speech). Of course, this would wok > better if the Braille worked properly and I guess the Braille display I have > needs a more recent version of BRLTTY. I'm currently running BRLTTY 4.5 and > I saw another release, 5.2. Is there any way to upgrade to it without > bothering Orca? I'm running Ubuntu. It seems there are pre-compiled > packages for Debian*, but there might be an easier move. > > Thank you, > > Vincent > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From texou@actux.eu.org Wed Dec 9 23:59:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAD676ABE for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 23:59:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IUuabmVHRs4q for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 23:59:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 1045 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2015 23:59:54 UTC Received: from 5.mo6.mail-out.ovh.net (5.mo6.mail-out.ovh.net [46.105.54.31]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD0A7684A for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2015 23:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail172.ha.ovh.net (b9.ovh.net [213.186.33.59]) by mo6.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8851CFFB101 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:42:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (HELO queueout) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Dec 2015 01:42:29 +0200 Received: from los75-4-88-190-86-116.fbxo.proxad.net (HELO ?192.168.0.21?) (texou@aaui.eu@88.190.86.116) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2015 01:42:28 +0200 From: MENGUAL Jean-Philippe To: orca-list Message-ID: <5668BC64.6050408@actux.eu.org> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:42:28 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 13574975178014128251 X-Ovh-Remote: 88.190.86.116 (los75-4-88-190-86-116.fbxo.proxad.net) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-OVH-SPAMSTATE: OK X-OVH-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-OVH-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrfeekiedrudeiucetufdoteggodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecu X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrfeekiedrudeigddujecutefuodetggdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuqfggjfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenuc Subject: [orca-list] Webchat freenode accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2015 23:59:56 -0000 Hi, With NVDA, I can access without problems to the freenode webchat. URL: https://webchat.freenode.net/ I fill the form, then for the captcha I use audio or webvisum. But with Orca 3.18, the page is not read at alle. Why and is it a bug? It seems it is not more complicated than javascript text, so I do not understand what is the issue. Thanks for your feedback. Regards, -- Jean-Philippe MENGUAL HYPRA, progressons ensemble Tél.: 01 84 73 06 61 Mail: contact@hypra.fr Site Web: http://hypra.fr From number6@noisynotes.com Thu Dec 10 00:21:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C575976AD9 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:21:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OXlB7SGKUTq4 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.233]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F27076ABE for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from village2 ([108.41.193.153]) by p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id rcLz1r0033K2U5001cM1RG; Wed, 09 Dec 2015 17:21:01 -0700 From: Steve Matzura To: orca Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2015 19:21:01 -0500 Organization: Noisy Notes Message-ID: References: <566866A8.7030706@gmail.com> <56688A3A.2080505@thefudge.net> In-Reply-To: <56688A3A.2080505@thefudge.net> User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.20.32.1218 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] vinux question and boot manager question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:21:00 -0000 Off-topic warning: Plop Boot Manager? This sounds interesting. Does it allow bootstrapping different devices from a menu or something? That's what I've been trying to get grub to do, and I'm coming to, or have come to, the conclusion that grub is not the tool I should be using. On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 07:08:26 +1100, you wrote: >Likely you will break it, feel free to report back if you try your >system state afterward though. >cheers > > >On 10/12/15 04:36, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona wrote: >> when using vinux is it ok to update to ubuntu 15 or will doing so >> break it >> also on the Plop Boot Manager >> how do you make your selections via the keyboard eg choosing your >> device that it will boot from? >> thanks >> Hank >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >_______________________________________________ >orca-list mailing list >orca-list@gnome.org >https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >GNOME Universal Access guide: = https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From chrys87@web.de Thu Dec 10 10:57:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31549768F4 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 10:57:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aMSJZf9msxUG for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 10:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.17.12]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C9B7676C for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 10:57:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.29] ([185.17.204.176]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M5fsK-1aQp4q1OdE-00xeJi for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:57:21 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5668BC64.6050408@actux.eu.org> From: chrys87 Message-ID: <56695A8A.8080404@web.de> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:57:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5668BC64.6050408@actux.eu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:bFYhLu5qaUsuqtol2Mx1oiUvfNFvZi5Wp2dJWprY0o+Y0CnzvEP JU1JblkoEyDHPQM0gso6eRhIbeRN6liGpFIi2uLyT79WFjKwc78OC29KrwCc6s2z42Vrcin ESG5xmPj0V5h9XPgi2VLxGjQrwpsWjC0QKCxuOdWoGWw6jX253M0Yr15wEYdL+OJPpMnepZ CaHuf8gxBk3xpJpOSaOyg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:PqeF5ojhjnM=:KL8xx3tglSzH8M6JIvetX2 NX9hkQeS42wxURWoKDIRJSPKzbyEmWnMgjbGbby3jmCfS2NzSORtX6bQZuaLTsAmxWSuYNNYN iRhKzBKUZHZa49Lnij7vKHFUVC7bJk6zbyI79/Yj+cQvfeYOkAMprQd3PmNA9rde+6gZ0Gc+L CN09kamJLOb6AXAK0l6WIGTtIxXCb2Rp/M5R3/wimndl0bMHagKcvDPy1FOggLZXjm9kSleRA XNwxNgVtc1vVCRFRXCwVk3U4/dYS1pmjMbswjfv67IzUdTD7tO/PRzZdqGasb4IME89IDAY5b 4HE+dYgh2Da39HNr/gGTjiJAy7a/E2NSY8B2FGPYq1UG3N1/GeVfKNjEgXqL34EEnEmOTJTwN f3htTURXzzel8rxEeEZe6UGoDs4vocNwnHggWvO1JLbv7d9jc7CEV1cErWoHLqW09j4CD3s7K igCzRePFizPIUTV1l2z2F2Wuh1Yfkn86TngWK7uN+EyOh3lNHKk5b1VxPKmKLConE6fTHJjWq pS/afn4530nBqWp3Ee7Mz/e3XgPttiCiHwT+2L/lvhVpMBmct77cTGqX1nUGdYfOLaI+5QO31 3/wMWaUB9w8jOBKXyyjgZmuTnthqVK10EexEXl7WZeVTVkqXMoA4nujXjWw6cBBAd5C3RDTpG fST9O38QaUJ6s18hiKs10iMQ1xYJME3cHt/y0UvzBb58dRkLmvM+BzXLhYxFwIfDOecpFAtSq 4Hv92YuTGcyOUb0IMyXPwYnOX1U1kpaUreI8PxyNRYxppwT8mn8Pw9zsGM/fpUiqzHw1eb7sV 3cSr8p8 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Webchat freenode accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 10:57:22 -0000 Hi, hm the login page is spoken to me. cheers Am 10.12.2015 um 00:42 schrieb MENGUAL Jean-Philippe: > Hi, > > With NVDA, I can access without problems to the freenode webchat. URL: > https://webchat.freenode.net/ > > I fill the form, then for the captcha I use audio or webvisum. > > But with Orca 3.18, the page is not read at alle. Why and is it a > bug? It seems it is not more complicated than javascript text, so I do > not understand what is the issue. > > Thanks for your feedback. > > Regards, > From pvdeejay@gmail.com Thu Dec 10 11:59:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775B0768F4 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:59:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Yb-ksiumOtL for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f51.google.com (mail-wm0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEDC7676C for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f51.google.com with SMTP id v187so29403235wmv.1 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 03:59:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/mMw/VcgC+yMG1bAqXq+XofhS+LZRwU4nNYAm2TkPIo=; b=tzdUlH7oJltVt5fxguul3EEMvQt1m9dr64rcnioKw7vHMzv9PMhURLulmsAX97GcbP jy8PoGVu2ZTXhMGUn38wstN0U5hq7BFUGnGGhi2SmtJ966eucxlIuSaDHkuxMBhdx68W 5jDJC93S/wpvTWj28f6Fk2GT4H+jvc4rV5t1cffMorSen5JhtnY47a9/QKXExHbdUV0L VoXyEhob3CZvd7uPDRAhUbLGAondxtq6y8qic7gzK2C4oUI5cLJMYX7tdmYwYdgZ7JmL 3ZNblvS7QpwrHZe9YU2D2j90dRE3YfFPfS1QB2Yh7MqDI+1iAf9n8iBRrMshVYfh/B8D b58Q== X-Received: by 10.194.178.70 with SMTP id cw6mr12336555wjc.73.1449748791198; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 03:59:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.8.24] (ab25.webra.bb.cust.gts.sk. [62.168.109.217]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id k125sm12579648wmf.2.2015.12.10.03.59.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 Dec 2015 03:59:50 -0800 (PST) To: chrys87 , orca-list@gnome.org References: <5668BC64.6050408@actux.eu.org> <56695A8A.8080404@web.de> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <56696930.70807@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 12:59:44 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56695A8A.8080404@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Webchat freenode accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:59:51 -0000 Hello, I have just tested this page and I can see no major issues. Logging in and connecting is accessible and I can use it fine with Firefox 42 and Orca 3.18.2. When I'm connected I can also chat in a channel. The user list accessibility can be improved as this is just a list of clickables but still for some random chatting it's fine as a whole I would say. Greetings Peter On 10.12.2015 at 11:57 chrys87 wrote: > Hi, > > hm the login page is spoken to me. > > cheers > > Am 10.12.2015 um 00:42 schrieb MENGUAL Jean-Philippe: >> Hi, >> >> With NVDA, I can access without problems to the freenode webchat. >> URL: https://webchat.freenode.net/ >> >> I fill the form, then for the captcha I use audio or webvisum. >> >> But with Orca 3.18, the page is not read at alle. Why and is it a >> bug? It seems it is not more complicated than javascript text, so I >> do not understand what is the issue. >> >> Thanks for your feedback. >> >> Regards, >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From chrys87@web.de Thu Dec 10 12:05:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FF57676C for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 12:05:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5jIBNATGen9U for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 12:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.17.12]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4429376907 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 12:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.29] ([185.17.204.176]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MCqoJ-1ZyRFt0XAp-009d2E; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:04:38 +0100 To: Joanmarie Diggs References: <5643EB55.7010205@igalia.com> <5644BC35.1080005@igalia.com> From: chrys87 Message-ID: <56696A53.8090104@web.de> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:04:35 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5644BC35.1080005@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:HMQw5UVP/phbelgJr6XtTLMLoiaoCuadR8DTgdAu1AQInyoRvrv tNZvjFHEdAeTnGtpcIw55a8Q3UlRK+LpRjvd8EiqPHriq1iP12G6Gh/tRWvwUV8W+tOrDgZ /hWTikIMFgY+KoLCyjblchDpRrzzjlJsn/Ra/lIkrgaYm5OjjQ0kxoMCypRr1NbgZHwTFjl V6zcX8a73VyfZyPDz6tFQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:whN3ByxqKJY=:vSJXh50S/3i0NnWBY7ZIEe pVDY+NlyHZl6TprD+fPcNMth/56ejUZL6GodJP8LFvQyEfJsq36aGUGXgVTmOeowG8VTxCO5Z XD0owrE/xAbw44RA6s2pT24Pyrt3grb9R0MALK6Kli1Pyoup43NCyrA9we36Yt6AUyi+R4A9a ufHscpK6evkXlEfrw9v+qzE2+QRJxUBH17YlxTMecrGW8sJAyX/pDDu5fHdid6vF0zow02O67 xH7Df74VqKfj7oE9U0yT9QowKtKl1DMLdQsUS+sCWjTA9K+S62g7xC3qEoDwnTe0x3YJpy24A vtzpjAZhLJ2+WQafv9hbSJ+Zb3ymwka7mwI6/PueQqdDyf1b+yv1ktvwCank8YgjYdGMFZsRH LVRKQxNkWfKhX42lP057vQQu23p9Cjjr4WW6WlzGoHKipSXHWydHCaekdo6szXMl7pqNSMNbo WjApu/IZ8EmWigBKaEcss9YdsnIXnS3BdghsYnE53QtjRqPXrrrkkCNltjzLb5WVRgx+RCfbQ 2j/cIQ1YcEGxK6QfYXP2cOWwlV4zfxRjgPAaaNhL8rYcCuP3IYwaQLuN4p+eL114XSPa4Ss5a ZYl+CqiW1SQpc/7Eh9OOuZwbPADT/QyJLD5UTPfcv210t2cdISl+vwrPXg8xCgYhNl3lM6Q/7 c5a8WujL/MPSF1YnsUZlURfiOBHoplg2mj8iPhhxH3DrLGy2Alj+KaGl354FDi3N0+be6L7Km 6BttQrYPpqXWZRyOMBS5WZJ5YAl9T8R2s+DG4ITvoJQWBtOhraUU+Xk61LxQtLr/MTMOfXao/ JSJfNhL Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] Update on progress-bar beeps? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 12:05:21 -0000 Howdy Joanie, Howdy List, I m currently rewriting the beeping progress bars. Joanie JFYI: I add two other options: "enableSound" - is for overall global activate or deactivate the sound (bool), its useful if we have more sound output anytime. "soundVolume" - is for the volume in a range of 0..1 (float) I think i will finish up the work until this evening and upload the patch to the bug ticket later. what do you think about making gstreamer as depency of orca? should i keep things optional? should it be a problem? I think gstreamer is a modern lib based on gnome technology. But if you see a problem here, i will try to test my patch without gstreamer installed. cheers chrys Am 12.11.2015 um 17:20 schrieb Joanmarie Diggs: > Hey Chrys. > > Thanks for the detailed response! So to confirm: With respect to the > progress-bar beeps, I'm waiting for you to finish it and then submit it > as one or more patches in GNOME's bugzilla. Right? > > --joanie > > On 11/12/2015 07:32 AM, chrys87@web.de wrote: >> Howdy Joanie, Howdy List, >> >> yay that sounds great! *Thumbs up to Luke*. >> >> the statuts of the progress bar beeps could be found here: >> https://github.com/chrys87/orca-beep/commits/master >> >> Because of my move to my new flat, I was not able to do work on that >> stuff since more than a month now. But now I have internet again and >> mostly all my furniture are also on its place (puh). >> So I would continue my work in the next days. >> What works: >> - the beeps on the progressbar :) >> - you could configure the behaviour via two different checkboxes. >> * one checkbox for enable/disable the voice announcements -> Variable >> "progressBarSpeak" >> * the other one for enable/disable beeps -> Variable "progressBarBeep" >> here I add the setting variables: >> https://github.com/chrys87/orca-beep/commit/62b53be2f04cbc38fe13516116db29296904b1d5 >> >> here is the commit where I integrate the stuff into the GUI: >> https://github.com/chrys87/orca-beep/commit/3e33b9a0a88f0f928b28f8d0b14e3648fad8673d >> if I can trust the feedback (and I beleve so), the existing things seems >> to work quite well. >> my git is (because my internet absence) a little out of date -> pre 3.18. >> >> What does not work/exist yet: >> there is no volumecontroll ( slider) for sound for now, but planned, i >> will add this until the middle of the next weekk so we can put it on the GUI >> >> for the GUI redesign i did some mocups. !there not nearly finished yet!. >> but could be found here: >> https://github.com/chrys87/orca-gui-moc >> (for now there is just the mainmenu without any productive code) >> the ideas is in both mocups to have a more "list" like settings >> structure (to be more firm with the G-C-C). >> >> By the way, I recognized that if there is more than one widget + label >> is in a "listelement" (GtkListBoxRow) orca just announce the label and >> one widget. it think it would be more useful if orca announce any widget >> in an listentry so you have more an idea what the listelement contains. >> for example if the list element is: >> "testlabel" Button1 Switch1 >> orca announce >> "testlabel" Button1 >> if you focus the listelement. so you have to arrow arround to see what >> is really in the listelement >> it think it would be more useful if orca announce >> "testlabel" Button1 Switch1 >> if a listelement got the focus. >> what does the list/you think about this? >> you can reproduce this with my "mocup1" (just run the .py). but this >> constellation i also found in the G-C-C ( i think in the mouse section, >> i could not recheck it currently because I m at work). >> >> Cheers Chrys >> >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 12. November 2015 um 02:28 Uhr >> *Von:* "Joanmarie Diggs" >> *An:* chrys87 >> *Cc:* "Orca List" >> *Betreff:* Update on progress-bar beeps? >> Hey Chrys. >> "enableSound" >> "soundVolume" >> Any update on your work on progress-bar beeps? More specifically, do you >> have something which, not counting the GUI, works? >> >> The reason I ask is that Luke is working on a GSettings backend for us >> (yay!), so I want to get all the settingsy stuff pinned down soon. And >> you indicated that you wanted to redo the GUI, so I want to get all the >> GUI stuff we need in soon -- even if it is not pretty. >> >> So if you have something that works but lacks a GUI, I'll slap >> appropriate widgets into the existing GUI somewhere. Then users can test >> the new feature, Luke can take the associated settings into account, >> etc., etc. >> >> Please let me know. Thanks! >> --joanie >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome. "enableSound" >> "soundVolume"org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> From chrys87@web.de Thu Dec 10 19:33:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC04762C2 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 19:33:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lmP41BDJ1QfL for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 19:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.17.12]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CE3762B3 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 19:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.29] ([185.17.204.176]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MTPel-1Zi3To3k7L-00SOz9 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:33:40 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5643EB55.7010205@igalia.com> <5644BC35.1080005@igalia.com> <56696A53.8090104@web.de> From: chrys87 Message-ID: <5669D392.5070806@web.de> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:33:38 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56696A53.8090104@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Y9RUI/9gorizDRZ5pbKf3WsqJxu2SPouNLeK3Fz8gic9idVLgHU zNs3tKE2Li1lfWBDZaP4snzWe8JvvTwJ7Xfj0wKDVWKuKmbbV3OZS3iupi2ipZPlGO8BKSx +xpGk6IdmDnPvKBXGJ/Kd7Dx1xcvRT2KhXyv4L2dIhrYxgMw93Cg2HQT8LlvUqFcXxEFDMC Q1FO8IfJuYz+hjMpRhZUw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:KTS9/2P3Dqc=:0xuKEsTW3WFfOegX+nWPWw rEdZO56hGGwzwdeIpic1XJZehlElDEZgx+taC+dayFHFi0PJsfpM1k233BnKU0oPb6LXhMZHi DP4CjHEx1z6GvkOHV27iafp94sYe44PHUVBkxnV8rKCXPjQNXt1kOFk+M/U/dToWt2wS8brr1 npfA4NKoWd4/P7TUb/8DTev56tYRpVW9xK6jpGOvozgzWeafI4Rx8wipOspOFc8Bv36IiNHhB ZkpWF++5hVnCj1gmGiBJNsOVI6GQidXWr0FG2HEOD6+q1R2ny1MXr3IzfEfX7wfZf3n91mh0h wvXzR06BlkYgEfhfTemD+G+KQZU9EVbS3eE/g9Zwir4TjTVKDgyinNyTE/cLCjx4bWfQSCz7+ j4L79GW/AhRdujtU5X5ck7+Aws4u7+aV37MowceMMHWZHHkKP4qXVm61u0P+QBw4fyoDtsqPQ 7MVSWMR0MwYS7VEhHH0vrywwjsEtMDlytcM/Xvlw6XZpNARbt9CsnG7k3y9LRWuMDODb6UTPq O1rQZRQ9yFygNi8eBJtHadSnka/INqri9PLX278l/haMFZRSrV0jKPTPMVjy/QnMq7d0H3sry m2aKMI3U8v2vpTY1VP8fAd/G+cgmIo9E4i3z1cr6C2Tmzbphsxj6cSpB9JKO7AzvioUCan8fJ tKgl50Hoj8/mrzZkOXTfs761E7mFIzvwYNnEncwZZGN64Kz+iW/E9svFdqoo47AC3FjwlY2zq bh4k90I/9V5uZJ2o05mdCD1JPYIKtrbIn6Ie9u11ac3gQoGZLbvfV3KJOtfjuBV0BQYc/YWLX kGZmaBg Subject: Re: [orca-list] Update on progress-bar beeps? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 19:33:41 -0000 Hi Joanie, Hi List, i uploaded the current patch to the bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758328 - now you should be able to adjust the volume - now you can "global" activate/deactivate the sound-"modul" Am 10.12.2015 um 13:04 schrieb chrys87: > Howdy Joanie, Howdy List, > > I m currently rewriting the beeping progress bars. > Joanie JFYI: I add two other options: > "enableSound" - is for overall global activate or deactivate the > sound (bool), its useful if we have more sound output anytime. > "soundVolume" - is for the volume in a range of 0..1 (float) > > I think i will finish up the work until this evening and upload the > patch to the bug ticket later. > what do you think about making gstreamer as depency of orca? should i > keep things optional? should it be a problem? I think gstreamer is a > modern lib based on gnome technology. But if you see a problem here, i > will try to test my patch without gstreamer installed. > > cheers chrys > > > Am 12.11.2015 um 17:20 schrieb Joanmarie Diggs: >> Hey Chrys. >> >> Thanks for the detailed response! So to confirm: With respect to the >> progress-bar beeps, I'm waiting for you to finish it and then submit it >> as one or more patches in GNOME's bugzilla. Right? >> >> --joanie >> >> On 11/12/2015 07:32 AM, chrys87@web.de wrote: >>> Howdy Joanie, Howdy List, >>> yay that sounds great! *Thumbs up to Luke*. >>> the statuts of the progress bar beeps could be found here: >>> https://github.com/chrys87/orca-beep/commits/master >>> Because of my move to my new flat, I was not able to do work on that >>> stuff since more than a month now. But now I have internet again and >>> mostly all my furniture are also on its place (puh). >>> So I would continue my work in the next days. >>> What works: >>> - the beeps on the progressbar :) >>> - you could configure the behaviour via two different checkboxes. >>> * one checkbox for enable/disable the voice announcements -> Variable >>> "progressBarSpeak" >>> * the other one for enable/disable beeps -> Variable "progressBarBeep" >>> here I add the setting variables: >>> https://github.com/chrys87/orca-beep/commit/62b53be2f04cbc38fe13516116db29296904b1d5 >>> >>> >>> here is the commit where I integrate the stuff into the GUI: >>> https://github.com/chrys87/orca-beep/commit/3e33b9a0a88f0f928b28f8d0b14e3648fad8673d >>> >>> if I can trust the feedback (and I beleve so), the existing things >>> seems >>> to work quite well. >>> my git is (because my internet absence) a little out of date -> pre >>> 3.18. >>> What does not work/exist yet: >>> there is no volumecontroll ( slider) for sound for now, but planned, i >>> will add this until the middle of the next weekk so we can put it on >>> the GUI >>> for the GUI redesign i did some mocups. !there not nearly finished >>> yet!. >>> but could be found here: >>> https://github.com/chrys87/orca-gui-moc >>> (for now there is just the mainmenu without any productive code) >>> the ideas is in both mocups to have a more "list" like settings >>> structure (to be more firm with the G-C-C). >>> By the way, I recognized that if there is more than one widget + >>> label >>> is in a "listelement" (GtkListBoxRow) orca just announce the label and >>> one widget. it think it would be more useful if orca announce any >>> widget >>> in an listentry so you have more an idea what the listelement contains. >>> for example if the list element is: >>> "testlabel" Button1 Switch1 >>> orca announce >>> "testlabel" Button1 >>> if you focus the listelement. so you have to arrow arround to see what >>> is really in the listelement >>> it think it would be more useful if orca announce >>> "testlabel" Button1 Switch1 >>> if a listelement got the focus. >>> what does the list/you think about this? >>> you can reproduce this with my "mocup1" (just run the .py). but this >>> constellation i also found in the G-C-C ( i think in the mouse section, >>> i could not recheck it currently because I m at work). >>> Cheers Chrys >>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 12. November 2015 um 02:28 Uhr >>> *Von:* "Joanmarie Diggs" >>> *An:* chrys87 >>> *Cc:* "Orca List" >>> *Betreff:* Update on progress-bar beeps? >>> Hey Chrys. >>> "enableSound" >>> "soundVolume" >>> Any update on your work on progress-bar beeps? More specifically, do >>> you >>> have something which, not counting the GUI, works? >>> >>> The reason I ask is that Luke is working on a GSettings backend for us >>> (yay!), so I want to get all the settingsy stuff pinned down soon. And >>> you indicated that you wanted to redo the GUI, so I want to get all the >>> GUI stuff we need in soon -- even if it is not pretty. >>> >>> So if you have something that works but lacks a GUI, I'll slap >>> appropriate widgets into the existing GUI somewhere. Then users can >>> test >>> the new feature, Luke can take the associated settings into account, >>> etc., etc. >>> >>> Please let me know. Thanks! >>> --joanie >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome. "enableSound" >>> "soundVolume"org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From kd7cyu@gmail.com Thu Dec 10 23:39:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74D8762C2 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:39:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fzXB2rtU5Nsi for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com (mail-pa0-f42.google.com [209.85.220.42]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86874762B3 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pacdm15 with SMTP id dm15so55078888pac.3 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 15:39:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:reply-to:to:subject:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type; bh=wMR1F5BBf9Tf8ves3pLsYx6PFwQa7rcfZc+wPmRVIJs=; b=Ml1Ltanx/iMR/lUF+TlLdN9eL0eeKYyj5tEdZQA79cakzWvEHmJTwr75LFu9ivUAU4 rkIx+GGRZFpyGFnU9Wzn360yKpHQUEZUeHMTP6x3937o+2RIadwv7G45YeVHi1VaOwdl WmPFrylF+maxmDiXgpwErhxCAxxkymiRjpj1yzP6ZgF/NmzQaKXAdXa/wyJ72L0Hcbc3 H/61cHRyhbILi1NCdjHw9rEoCMg+6g53nS/PX6QegFq59M04uk3VIrUqWubBeu86NiRu IYMRtbKPs289H2Vr2Q6IzSEHT3Nf5uuXNJxqlm+QM+DZqi0lAjPhkX3M/91J6XJ823y+ sO0w== X-Received: by 10.66.248.74 with SMTP id yk10mr20486459pac.17.1449790747449; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 15:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tom-M2800.local (c-24-16-165-241.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [24.16.165.241]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id hz8sm21123186pac.10.2015.12.10.15.39.06 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Dec 2015 15:39:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 15:39:04 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: tom@Tom-M2800 To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.10 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [orca-list] accessible way to screen share with lync (skype for business) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: kd7cyu@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:39:08 -0000 Has anyone found an accessible way to work with lync communicator (skype for business)? The pidgin-sipe plugin let's me work with the chat feature but I hae some people who want me to set up a meeting with screen sharing and I am not sure of how to do this in a manner that I can work with. I am using ubuntu 15.10 with unity desktop. There is a lync for linux product out there but it suffers from a number of accessibility issues which the developers are going to try and fix. I don't know how successful they will be as it is a qt product. Thanks Tom From chrys87@web.de Thu Dec 10 23:50:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79705762C2 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:50:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yKtUBhV5DjFb for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.15.14]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF202762B3 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.29] ([185.17.204.176]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LdEmn-1aY1I40kWf-00iQ3H for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:50:45 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: From: chrys87 Message-ID: <566A0FD4.20407@web.de> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:50:44 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:O0hhgh9dgLLPSpo+9sH2b0WI8Sssdq18DLWUbdyCdu8CDjIjs9Y MNfQjlw6a0IlbPkruhQym5mNLsNvVQhEVaSbII1xpzpNvk47YmdnduvCsgKQB59AbxZ/F94 baf+xYhoHUo6kIb9S0wgpRFaOZK32jEeDViqdZdhMAuZTY/q8cSzih2on+J5yWcRtE/1d6+ Fhua31A3mPy7vKDd9QfNA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:k/MjA/vFaDA=:mFX3ffYZVwX/dqKN5TM4VD LVl+eEzkPyP98LmU9Hh7FX6JBGhT68XPkGwgpYUcGOgGotcSGufaRl/CE1iBgBBw70NWcCIb7 +mcqZxSTEmwxiG/8IuQCN4AMWCOaT2KaeEEla8ln6wP2ticEm/rtRamLy6eXgSdFjynby0efT 1aBFNnm0IIabl6ZXktscJngffwORCAe75JWpLJ7xfxohDrZiyPbcNxkY6Nlyt/0dGnSaQ81sT 5+xw6HTxMj5JD1tnCAH3p5nm1Uc8pdT/W+JPWAz84myDdHiQxFAxe9+w1T0+J5QlkxxIiWUPD SEJf1v1aQq1L9l3q1ri7M8+P9lWpzy6BxWXR0wUBvWMNfJyVuX7J9t3zXPdjxah4huV/8Oklb 0AWKMC1AmMWVLANxn7+1TSCtk+pK/qtTGLSbmxBFkCSTCrdit3sYZDyl1fufliZc9XUR64KOq VWizfJoUnWHM4RXRNJjqOT7n5QUxtMkGLo0OTGaolS5ZXbFOfBISZDP/7byv/CrskyAE5/l8k ixtMnun/1YgBzv+So8S2ttVQGjttV4tTYurBw5ZAeKurhyAOOk8P6smPSV70FLXbk0v3QSFmJ hYwblfQ4c+sUhNAxJQZHkPZMCBB7yk+R8+76e9Qku+I96NyHQSHX7xer4GJ7kt1XtsABnrD2i hzDAb5C2TvdfAyxihF1ETIlqmm7QGbSOehycb5X1pA2eigALJjgbFXMF0/VGAY7IlM7qKK/D+ bJ1w+0CjPbRfPMxNcFcPkVLx9GqVOoH+7lEp2yR3dWnpiearrAyVPYBC296xH+SqigeFhgDrU PKRG4WT Subject: Re: [orca-list] accessible way to screen share with lync (skype for business) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:50:47 -0000 Howdy Tom, did you try sky? https://tel.red/ it sounds like something you want (i dont know). and if i look into the depencys on my arch system it seems to base on gtk2 (so orca should be able to deal with out of the box if there isnt too much freaky stuff https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sky/ cheers chrys Am 11.12.2015 um 00:39 schrieb Tom Masterson: > Has anyone found an accessible way to work with lync communicator > (skype for business)? The pidgin-sipe plugin let's me work with the > chat feature but I hae some people who want me to set up a meeting > with screen sharing and I am not sure of how to do this in a manner > that I can work with. I am using ubuntu 15.10 with unity desktop. > > There is a lync for linux product out there but it suffers from a > number of accessibility issues which the developers are going to try > and fix. I don't know how successful they will be as it is a qt product. > > > Thanks > Tom > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From chrys87@web.de Thu Dec 10 23:52:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FD5762C2 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:52:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sxds9kgCML82 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.15.4]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1391762B3 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.29] ([185.17.204.176]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LbImQ-1aV0a61lCE-00kvcw for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:52:44 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <566A0FD4.20407@web.de> From: chrys87 Message-ID: <566A1049.6030808@web.de> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:52:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <566A0FD4.20407@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:OJCechOkBELC6Zos6NU/If4GlZxacd/7iC+36gVs7C5KZMrmKrd ya96QbRLiI0irMacMewsmIC2BDuz8q1IeM84voTuwTnHa/0IXQZwtqbzpooJ9XQ15eRsH+N owaBZZTrFZJPwCxRiBPaSKmhI+LACMVywx16FrtxNPv62/mJ7zQJWiREQPgh6+BzzYITb3c 0QIJvZyS6A91vdahm4Ecg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:v4fXwRop7ks=:Bz3z9CLaHKwx9CTQLfEbZS DfjC3j/9fR6lVXl2ShX5t0iA1AaZSKjCqySH2McBtd8PSOsFBLpS/FlS60nYGt0ybdHsZ1/75 HOJcF7i9e3Bzv0pNh1rr/3oJsCnsQgn4nbPpmRJEw397hM+WwMiiqyH0WDAzXWcZLDW5ACzNA ERySUhloEtnvj/cbdHtePnPxHpZCqJe8sHbmpT4Y5Ms6i07O3gZL515gUkOIKc6A8240nxeUy z0ABAOLhoYAEig59bWMtkcWyCy9Lyp1Lxgzp6m2fQOclWWLEArRbUyX7wfeYEor1KPs1WTfpf ThbZug67IBnsJiK67jlo7wzf1bxdpJRc3dAyriYDzuVcpuc5Q0l+ZIiV49z4iB2YT3VcXB87+ lW3S2c+6HVDwK3C+nrshK45de/QjaL6maFtVF7x5wZiPcRRq6dEy5yVcS3CyLLfQmJAKMVr7R 0aVm80sLvYAQXdBrU2wmJPxPMsmF9EbHN1XpmlU3io3rmv88wxmkMhJT/078yTeJPX12TjR99 aQz9KNkiGfgLoOgCxI+YBu9wXOYd+1Me4t1tlCBgT+U0QFQ5tXZFcBOPD/aymvLB0N5eeyPAm 84/YvvguuibxJ7Jb1S1L+gn7doVrLbHLxQUpFEXtq8DAGi5mTAE4FzrTaxXZVMtz+0jFjycw+ 0FYDb8N31TBXb8u8pxKGtsMjPVlYoJJoBPVpvW9/QhOIgD27GkjDYZvZBcH64yvlrBGQFtCCy +Kzeuxd8igx3AKctFOIw6OIH324td88ZOQymFcz2T0yfi5f+AuD2D8NKG6vV5YiKrz/TuItDC KqOVbK5 Subject: Re: [orca-list] accessible way to screen share with lync (skype for business) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:52:45 -0000 I see the AUR also refers to an Ubuntu package. So you should easily able to install it. here the link: http://tel.red/linux/sky_ubuntu64_v2.0.434.deb Am 11.12.2015 um 00:50 schrieb chrys87: > Howdy Tom, > > did you try sky? > https://tel.red/ > it sounds like something you want (i dont know). > and if i look into the depencys on my arch system it seems to base on > gtk2 (so orca should be able to deal with out of the box if there isnt > too much freaky stuff > https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sky/ > > cheers chrys > > Am 11.12.2015 um 00:39 schrieb Tom Masterson: >> Has anyone found an accessible way to work with lync communicator >> (skype for business)? The pidgin-sipe plugin let's me work with the >> chat feature but I hae some people who want me to set up a meeting >> with screen sharing and I am not sure of how to do this in a manner >> that I can work with. I am using ubuntu 15.10 with unity desktop. >> >> There is a lync for linux product out there but it suffers from a >> number of accessibility issues which the developers are going to try >> and fix. I don't know how successful they will be as it is a qt >> product. >> >> >> Thanks >> Tom >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From kd7cyu@gmail.com Fri Dec 11 00:25:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63179769CC for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:25:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.219 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.219 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MALFORMED_FREEMAIL=1.481, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FzO8xvCxNSdn for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9F0768F4 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:24:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by padhk6 with SMTP id hk6so15440679pad.2 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:25:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=wurqTrmdoQRK3UOI0oC9tpKRYUzWxPp4AW/slWnpmrg=; b=TF4ZptjD2RZ/GMa+RA2A69JREW8a3j8Y9rMXTIowdBr6SlRbWrxMBRVKkibV6hgYSg uaVZ7mj2qtkqRtHs8s+UHOJeLyQcsjygzUOVA3drYhaBR3uNGB6uaZJr/TVeoyVB/og5 Db6MP9US6RA7x/4HHk/tKEZl4IZUv49tytO161lqAUBggKvKEQFEkJpmPrjgh3XD+GqH X93Z1dXvEfSc0cRsuZOVy6nJwsz3cpvMLE5V976tvH+yjktN0DN4siONkp/AatoLKUFn X0QXiV+RHX4oaQHatLZ/muRa+lNiEiBQJbC4QNqe59qwhT0S1Uom1TDrbY8z1JARLV0Q aONw== X-Received: by 10.66.62.137 with SMTP id y9mr21126738par.123.1449793500029; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tom-M2800.local (c-24-16-165-241.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [24.16.165.241]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xz6sm13819474pab.42.2015.12.10.16.24.58 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:24:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:25:01 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: tom@Tom-M2800 To: chrys87 In-Reply-To: <566A0FD4.20407@web.de> Message-ID: References: <566A0FD4.20407@web.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.10 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] accessible way to screen share with lync (skype for business) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: kd7cyu@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:25:00 -0000 Sky is the lync for linux package I mentioned. It is actually qt and is marginally accessible. Lots of unlabeled buttons and text entry fields, menus that you have to access with the mouse, etc. Also I was unable to even get it to let me add a contact or actually get any noticable action from the buttons I could see. I reported the accessibility issues to them and they are going to do their best to fix them but that doesn't help in the present. If anyone has had better luck with it please let me know. Note the free version only allows 2 minutes of phone or screen share and I was unwilling to spend $50 until it works. Thanks Tom On Fri, 11 Dec 2015, chrys87 wrote: > Howdy Tom, > > did you try sky? > https://tel.red/ > it sounds like something you want (i dont know). > and if i look into the depencys on my arch system it seems to base on gtk2 > (so orca should be able to deal with out of the box if there isnt too much > freaky stuff > https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sky/ > > cheers chrys > > Am 11.12.2015 um 00:39 schrieb Tom Masterson: >> Has anyone found an accessible way to work with lync communicator (skype >> for business)? The pidgin-sipe plugin let's me work with the chat feature >> but I hae some people who want me to set up a meeting with screen sharing >> and I am not sure of how to do this in a manner that I can work with. I am >> using ubuntu 15.10 with unity desktop. >> >> There is a lync for linux product out there but it suffers from a number of >> accessibility issues which the developers are going to try and fix. I >> don't know how successful they will be as it is a qt product. >> >> >> Thanks >> Tom >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From burt1iband@gmail.com Fri Dec 11 00:55:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87BC1768F4 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:55:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KkZGjjo392l8 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f176.google.com (mail-ob0-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B366762C2 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcse5 with SMTP id se5so72526886obc.3 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:55:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=Zq0dU84gSaqnCZVPpm85jlJ30uQhslTMe91F3LbrUOI=; b=qosHH6hw+4apXQQmvQRh6COfO6BPRYwCEE7zvxX/SJEodXDuAGN/HC9RmHdR75fC5z veVDuNb/47JtBnIfiuoQPGTnjwxypgOR8OJIxgYp05HppHywjMu1YuPEsOFcSoUzYe7O E2ayjAc1zbudkSJf3INaZiOMMIkVdMxAQ6uhSpJENC+zgYQgAMe8ZB3gb4wwiPfWbPmt 5k+4j8nGzOvmRzpCjTYcJxcsqzIbkVfFbQsqRJl7WN7NT22urwlDPXZa81WtRrjs8JR5 FGBfzDev5n12th8BpgpDtxr1/uYLDfDBriKOBSEWPgJc2yZLPvC13HzxD/11KIbqJWLj t/Sg== X-Received: by 10.182.165.67 with SMTP id yw3mr4693924obb.45.1449795351522; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.79.244]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ry9sm7060973oec.17.2015.12.10.16.55.50 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:55:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 18:52:17 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151211005217.GA13101@gmail.com> References: <566A0FD4.20407@web.de> <566A1049.6030808@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <566A1049.6030808@web.de> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] accessible way to screen share with lync (skype for business) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:55:51 -0000 Perhaps there is a gtk version for arch, but only qt for Ubuntu. Has anyone looked in to clisk, il.e. whether or not it has screen sharing commands? I'll check later quickly. Some of clisk's commands are not working these days, but many others do. I use skcmd for calls, txt chat and voice mail, but it does not have any screen sharing commands. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 chrys87 wrote: Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:52:41AM +0100 > > I see the AUR also refers to an Ubuntu package. So you should easily able > to install it. > here the link: > http://tel.red/linux/sky_ubuntu64_v2.0.434.deb > > Am 11.12.2015 um 00:50 schrieb chrys87: > >Howdy Tom, > > > >did you try sky? > >https://tel.red/ > >it sounds like something you want (i dont know). > >and if i look into the depencys on my arch system it seems to base on gtk2 > >(so orca should be able to deal with out of the box if there isnt too much > >freaky stuff > >https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sky/ > > > >cheers chrys > > > >Am 11.12.2015 um 00:39 schrieb Tom Masterson: > >>Has anyone found an accessible way to work with lync communicator (skype > >>for business)? The pidgin-sipe plugin let's me work with the chat > >>feature but I hae some people who want me to set up a meeting with > >>screen sharing and I am not sure of how to do this in a manner that I > >>can work with. I am using ubuntu 15.10 with unity desktop. > >> > >>There is a lync for linux product out there but it suffers from a number > >>of accessibility issues which the developers are going to try and fix. > >>I don't know how successful they will be as it is a qt product. > >> > >> > >>Thanks > >>Tom > >>_______________________________________________ > >>orca-list mailing list > >>orca-list@gnome.org > >>https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>GNOME Universal Access guide: > >>https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > >>Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > >_______________________________________________ > >orca-list mailing list > >orca-list@gnome.org > >https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >GNOME Universal Access guide: > >https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > >Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From alexarnaud@member.fsf.org Sat Dec 12 00:40:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1742762A7 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:40:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tAvuw-20MUp1 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (relay2-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.194]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07AEE7624D for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter43-d.gandi.net (mfilter43-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.174]) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07992C5A49; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 01:40:27 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter43-d.gandi.net Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([IPv6:::ffff:217.70.183.194]) by mfilter43-d.gandi.net (mfilter43-d.gandi.net [::ffff:10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j4WNIu4epkXl; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 01:40:25 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 93.27.217.217 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (217.217.27.93.rev.sfr.net [93.27.217.217]) (Authenticated sender: alex@arnaud.link) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 75C80C5A4B; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 01:40:25 +0100 (CET) To: MENGUAL Jean-Philippe , orca-list References: <5668BC64.6050408@actux.eu.org> From: Alex ARNAUD Message-ID: <566B6CF8.5060909@member.fsf.org> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 01:40:24 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5668BC64.6050408@actux.eu.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000700000406010900040707" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Webchat freenode accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:40:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000700000406010900040707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 10/12/2015 00:42, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > Hi, Hi Jean-Philippe ! > > But with Orca 3.18, the page is not read at alle. Why and is it a > bug? It seems it is not more complicated than javascript text, so I do > not understand what is the issue. You should have the latest stable version of FIrefox/Iceweasel to deal with Orca. Is it the case ? Best regards. -- Alex ARNAUD --------------000700000406010900040707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 10/12/2015 00:42, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
Hi,
Hi Jean-Philippe !

But with Orca 3.18, the page is not read at alle. Why and is it  a bug? It seems it is not more complicated than javascript text, so I do not understand what is the issue.
You should have the latest stable version of FIrefox/Iceweasel to deal with Orca. Is it the case ?

Best regards.
-- 
Alex ARNAUD
--------------000700000406010900040707-- From DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM Sat Dec 12 01:24:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76095762A7 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 01:24:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.311 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wBoPqEILOKD8 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 01:24:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 3365 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 01:24:30 UTC Received: from userp1050.oracle.com (userp1050.oracle.com [156.151.31.82]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3A97624D for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 01:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (userp1040.oracle.com [156.151.31.81]) by userp1050.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tBC0SSas012476 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:28:28 GMT Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tBC0SQ10017090 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:28:26 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBC0SPFg013792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:28:26 GMT Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBC0SP22023643 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:28:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 16:28:23 -0800 (PST) From: Don Raikes Sender: Don Raikes To: orca-list@gnome.org X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="__1449880105500292286abhmp0003.oracle.com" X-Source-IP: userp1040.oracle.com [156.151.31.81] Subject: [orca-list] most accessible desktop with orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 01:24:32 -0000 --__1449880105500292286abhmp0003.oracle.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, =20 I am attempting to build an accessible version of kalilinux (a derivative o= f debian jesse). I have the optio of using gnome, mate, xfce, or lxde as my desktop manager. When I build the image with the gnome desktop it is using gnome3 and the gn= ome-shell is not very accessible. If I build with the mate desktop, I got the gnome-shell again. I haven't tried either xfce or lxde yet. =20 My question is which desktop is most usable with orca? I personally liked = the gnome2 desktop and was comfortable with it, but when I generate the gno= me image even if I am able to pick between gnome and gnome-classic and choo= se gnome classic it doesn't seem to make a difference. =20 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. =20 TIA, Donald --__1449880105500292286abhmp0003.oracle.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

 

I am at= tempting to build an accessible version of kalilinux (a derivative of debia= n jesse).

I have the optio of using gnom= e, mate, xfce, or lxde as my desktop manager.

When I build the image with the gnome desktop it is using gnome3 and = the gnome-shell is not very accessible.

= If I build with the mate desktop, I got the gnome-shell again.

I haven’t tried either xfce or lxde yet.<= /o:p>

 

My = question is which desktop is most usable with orca?  I personally like= d the gnome2 desktop and was comfortable with it, but when I generate the g= nome image even if I am able to pick between gnome and gnome-classic and ch= oose gnome classic it doesn’t seem to make a difference.

 

Any sugges= tions would be greatly appreciated.

 

TIA,

Donald

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[182.239.134.165]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 82sm27585258pfn.76.2015.12.11.17.33.25 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Dec 2015 17:33:27 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: From: Rob Whyte Message-ID: <566B7964.7000504@thefudge.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 12:33:24 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000401040901050107020302" Subject: Re: [orca-list] most accessible desktop with orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 01:33:28 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000401040901050107020302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Don, nice to see you on list again. Gnome 3 is what Orca is developed upon. What exactly are you finding about Gnome-shell that you feel is not accessible. It may be you are not familiar with how to navigate using keyboard shortcuts? I am not aware if you are vision impaired or not. What is the purpose of the build if I may ask, is it intended to be run as a live image, if so the Mate environment may be a better solution. Thanks Rob Whyte On 12/12/15 11:28, Don Raikes wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am attempting to build an accessible version of kalilinux (a > derivative of debian jesse). > > I have the optio of using gnome, mate, xfce, or lxde as my desktop > manager. > > When I build the image with the gnome desktop it is using gnome3 and > the gnome-shell is not very accessible. > > If I build with the mate desktop, I got the gnome-shell again. > > I havent tried either xfce or lxde yet. > > > > My question is which desktop is most usable with orca? I personally > liked the gnome2 desktop and was comfortable with it, but when I > generate the gnome image even if I am able to pick between gnome and > gnome-classic and choose gnome classic it doesnt seem to make a > difference. > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > TIA, > > Donald > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --------------000401040901050107020302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Don,
nice to see you on list again.
Gnome 3 is what Orca is developed upon.

What exactly are you finding about Gnome-shell that you feel is not accessible.
It may be you are not familiar with how to navigate using keyboard shortcuts?
I am not aware if you are vision impaired or not.

What is the purpose of the build if I may ask, is it intended to be run as a live image, if so the Mate environment may be a better solution.

Thanks
Rob Whyte


On 12/12/15 11:28, Don Raikes wrote:

Hello,

I am attempting to build an accessible version of kalilinux (a derivative of debian jesse).

I have the optio of using gnome, mate, xfce, or lxde as my desktop manager.

When I build the image with the gnome desktop it is using gnome3 and the gnome-shell is not very accessible.

If I build with the mate desktop, I got the gnome-shell again.

I havent tried either xfce or lxde yet.

My question is which desktop is most usable with orca? I personally liked the gnome2 desktop and was comfortable with it, but when I generate the gnome image even if I am able to pick between gnome and gnome-classic and choose gnome classic it doesnt seem to make a difference.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

TIA,

Donald



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GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

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Henry" To: Don Raikes , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151212025908.GA16472@gmail.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] most accessible desktop with orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 03:02:38 -0000 Mate is basically gnome2 just updated to use newer stuff under the hood and to have good compatibility with current standards. I do not understand how you say you got gnome shell when you installed it. You will not have accessible panels with lxde and xfce, so no sys trayish stuff, indicators or applets, but you will get gnome2 style applications menus. If panel was accessible I'd use XFCE, but it's not, and as I've said here, and I think to you off list no work is being done to fix the accessiblity issues as far as I know. I've not talked to devs in some months, but I think they'd hit a wall, and until someone steps up to help them they will probably not be making anything more speech friendly. Gnome is very access,ble, but I can see how you might not like it. Many people do, many others do not, and it is very different both in practice and theory than interfaces like gnome2, XFCE or Mate. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Don Raikes wrote: Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 04:28:23PM -0800 > Hello, > >   > > I am attempting to build an accessible version of kalilinux (a derivative > of debian jesse). > > I have the optio of using gnome, mate, xfce, or lxde as my desktop > manager. > > When I build the image with the gnome desktop it is using gnome3 and the > gnome-shell is not very accessible. > > If I build with the mate desktop, I got the gnome-shell again. > > I haven’t tried either xfce or lxde yet. > >   > > My question is which desktop is most usable with orca?  I personally liked > the gnome2 desktop and was comfortable with it, but when I generate the > gnome image even if I am able to pick between gnome and gnome-classic and > choose gnome classic it doesn’t seem to make a difference. > >   > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > >   > > TIA, > > Donald > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM Sat Dec 12 05:00:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAE1762A7 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 05:00:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oigqx4ORFQVY for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 05:00:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 5197 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 05:00:06 UTC Received: from aserp1050.oracle.com (aserp1050.oracle.com [141.146.126.70]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43B07624D for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 05:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com (aserp1040.oracle.com [141.146.126.69]) by aserp1050.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tBC3XWLu001726 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 03:33:32 GMT Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tBC3XTbr013895 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Dec 2015 03:33:30 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBC3XTAF017378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 12 Dec 2015 03:33:29 GMT Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBC3XTqm011407; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 03:33:29 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 19:33:27 -0800 (PST) From: Don Raikes Sender: Don Raikes To: Rob Whyte , orca-list@gnome.org References: <566B7964.7000504@thefudge.net> In-Reply-To: <566B7964.7000504@thefudge.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="__1449891209441293905abhmp0003.oracle.com" X-Source-IP: aserp1040.oracle.com [141.146.126.69] Subject: Re: [orca-list] most accessible desktop with orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 05:00:09 -0000 --__1449891209441293905abhmp0003.oracle.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rob, =20 Yes I am totally blind, and the image I am creating is intended for both ru= nning as a live cd and/or being installed onto a hard disk. =20 Perhaps the problem is that I don't know the shortcut keys for gnome 3. When I get to the desktop and start orca, I press alt+f1 which used to go t= o the gnome menu, but now it just says gnome-shell, and nothing I do change= s what I see/hear (note I am runnig with both speech and Braille support). =20 When I build the image with the mate desktop, I have the same results, in f= act I don't see any differences other than the size of the iso image. =20 I want ot make this as cpu and memory efficient as possible so I can use it= on virtually any computer I have to use. =20 =20 Any tips would be appreciated. =20 From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fudge@thefudge.net]=20 Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 6:33 PM To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] most accessible desktop with orca =20 Hi Don, nice to see you on list again. Gnome 3 is what Orca is developed upon. What exactly are you finding about Gnome-shell that you feel is not accessi= ble. It may be you are not familiar with how to navigate using keyboard shortcut= s? I am not aware if you are vision impaired or not. What is the purpose of the build if I may ask, is it intended to be run as = a live image, if so the Mate environment may be a better solution. Thanks Rob Whyte On 12/12/15 11:28, Don Raikes wrote: Hello, =20 I am attempting to build an accessible version of kalilinux (a derivative o= f debian jesse). I have the optio of using gnome, mate, xfce, or lxde as my desktop manager. When I build the image with the gnome desktop it is using gnome3 and the gn= ome-shell is not very accessible. If I build with the mate desktop, I got the gnome-shell again. I haven't tried either xfce or lxde yet. =20 My question is which desktop is most usable with orca? I personally liked = the gnome2 desktop and was comfortable with it, but when I generate the gno= me image even if I am able to pick between gnome and gnome-classic and choo= se gnome classic it doesn't seem to make a difference. =20 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. =20 TIA, Donald _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list HYPERLINK "mailto:orca-list@gnome.org"orca-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stabl= e/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org =20 --__1449891209441293905abhmp0003.oracle.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= Rob,

 

Yes I am totally blind, and the image I= am creating is intended for both running as a live cd and/or being install= ed onto a hard disk.

 

Perhaps the problem is that I don’t know the s= hortcut keys for gnome 3.

When I get to the desktop and start orca, I press al= t+f1 which used to go to the gnome menu, but now it just says gnome-shell, = and nothing I do changes what I see/hear (note I am runnig with both speech= and Braille support).

 

When I build the image with the mate desktop, I hav= e the same results, in fact I don’t see any differences other  t= han the size of the iso image.

 

I want ot make this as cpu and memory effic= ient as possible so I can use it on virtually any computer I have to use.

 

=  

Any tips would be appreciated.

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>From: Rob Whyte [mailto= :fudge@thefudge.net]
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 6:33 PM
= To: orca-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] most acce= ssible desktop with orca

 

Hi Don,
nice to see you on list again.
Gnome 3 is what Orca is deve= loped upon.

What exactly are you finding about Gnome-shell that you = feel is not accessible.
It may be you are not familiar with how to navig= ate using keyboard shortcuts?
I am not aware if you are vision impaired = or not.

What is the purpose of the build if I may ask, is it intende= d to be run as a live image, if so the Mate environment may be a better sol= ution.

Thanks
Rob Whyte

On 12/12/15 11:28, Don Raikes wrote:

Hello,=

 

I am attempting to build an accessible version of kalilinux (a derivativ= e of debian jesse).

I have the optio of = using gnome, mate, xfce, or lxde as my desktop manager.

When I build the image with the gnome desktop it is using g= nome3 and the gnome-shell is not very accessible.

If I build with the mate desktop, I got the gnome-shell again.

I haven’t tried either xfce or lxde = yet.

 

My question is which desktop is most usable with orca?  I perso= nally liked the gnome2 desktop and was comfortable with it, but when I gene= rate the gnome image even if I am able to pick between gnome and gnome-clas= sic and choose gnome classic it doesn’t seem to make a difference.

 

= Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

TIA,

Donald




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Henry" To: Don Raikes , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151212055207.GE4463@gmail.com> References: <566B7964.7000504@thefudge.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] most accessible desktop with orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 05:55:40 -0000 Yes the shortcuts have almost all changed. I do not have the URLs handy, but There is at least one overview of gnome3s accessability on the gnome site that I've seen. In mate most should be the same or similar to what you know from gnome2. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Don Raikes wrote: Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 07:33:27PM -0800 > Rob, > >   > > Yes I am totally blind, and the image I am creating is intended for both > running as a live cd and/or being installed onto a hard disk. > >   > > Perhaps the problem is that I don’t know the shortcut keys for gnome 3. > > When I get to the desktop and start orca, I press alt+f1 which used to go > to the gnome menu, but now it just says gnome-shell, and nothing I do > changes what I see/hear (note I am runnig with both speech and Braille > support). > >   > > When I build the image with the mate desktop, I have the same results, in > fact I don’t see any differences other  than the size of the iso image. > >   > > I want ot make this as cpu and memory efficient as possible so I can use > it on virtually any computer I have to use. > >   > >   > > Any tips would be appreciated. > >   > > From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fudge@thefudge.net] > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 6:33 PM > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] most accessible desktop with orca > >   > > Hi Don, > nice to see you on list again. > Gnome 3 is what Orca is developed upon. > > What exactly are you finding about Gnome-shell that you feel is not > accessible. > It may be you are not familiar with how to navigate using keyboard > shortcuts? > I am not aware if you are vision impaired or not. > > What is the purpose of the build if I may ask, is it intended to be run as > a live image, if so the Mate environment may be a better solution. > > Thanks > Rob Whyte > > On 12/12/15 11:28, Don Raikes wrote: > > Hello, > >   > > I am attempting to build an accessible version of kalilinux (a > derivative of debian jesse). > > I have the optio of using gnome, mate, xfce, or lxde as my desktop > manager. > > When I build the image with the gnome desktop it is using gnome3 and the > gnome-shell is not very accessible. > > If I build with the mate desktop, I got the gnome-shell again. > > I haven’t tried either xfce or lxde yet. > >   > > My question is which desktop is most usable with orca?  I personally > liked the gnome2 desktop and was comfortable with it, but when I > generate the gnome image even if I am able to pick between gnome and > gnome-classic and choose gnome classic it doesn’t seem to make a > difference. > >   > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > >   > > TIA, > > Donald > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > [1]orca-list@gnome.org > > [2]https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: [3]https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: [4]https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: [5]https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at [6]http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >   > > References > > Visible links > 1. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org > 2. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > 3. https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > 4. https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > 5. https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > 6. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From fudge@thefudge.net Sat Dec 12 08:39:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5237B76287 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:39:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.934 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.934 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Iepym58J7Ul for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com (mail-pa0-f44.google.com [209.85.220.44]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5427624D for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pabur14 with SMTP id ur14so77702876pab.0 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:39:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thefudge-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=cyYCWRoUVW84oKT6QkUjSo98t7xqAwCpAVPYTo0ieb0=; b=EBe4htrG1FPOqHLsKnf/WFoqRGfLKOdBF+UYAvUOFW/fWj/z7AOMlXWc2+85HRH2UI bkbr+qv46S/S0wcKeMy7dZC0LeuM9hv00MmIyJ2bv6nOriBFrOM7pD1O8cKyWxdEdKGs yXVtW49xTd3amlj6dSTvpGZzWjmWZ/73ZtNy0Z2Ph+IgsD9gsTfYSb3C24XXj2xM88/e Tx7n14VPBWu8QCqSAqLyqTixKonPRXAVRuHPzbaXutLSbLYrEyJQlBLBob5Gt4cMJxuM 3F037lH8phq9n74bKzlRDZpNSIeOp9XhzmYNkHtlDjqj5vQxQaLRPNTeywHG+OehGU06 lPlg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=cyYCWRoUVW84oKT6QkUjSo98t7xqAwCpAVPYTo0ieb0=; b=cXvKluRlWP4YIV7z1LBh6E/U96kpipQS/vm0l7Bar0TYVPZJw4rchqPX3UIzkG/LGs nke2EO0DA6PKNuWVqa3tANyLsNlV0fN1+AlmJrvb3O/3MQqq1enDo/LaMivm+iUal0Fk rMfrdfroXwS91qQQ2pXUy5VNWW20MgfGozIw70zxc+9R+splpRR4ibj4JI3GxuJnmhZU rTJsHJd0fxm2wzf43l5xNqkNDoXzr9eDJdQtfU2pMbeoHDx9kJ37TIVak5ugcpc+n90m r//qvy4rx1ai70GelHkhU3QRmDR7a/YHXsPeG2vljtybASgWIATq8ZgwAy3MuJ1wTh1Z Mw6g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkZ/yFZko79QG7EXC5CDhUI6b/F2ZssnEiFtL+zQTac9DooWUSjh5IuHkkA073O0JYnhnxWqtdVwjFcSscuoPNxmOQpEA== X-Received: by 10.66.90.194 with SMTP id by2mr31033505pab.2.1449909582230; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:39:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.10.10.41] (182-239-134-165.ip.adam.com.au. [182.239.134.165]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id jj5sm30197880pac.4.2015.12.12.00.39.39 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:39:41 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <566B7964.7000504@thefudge.net> From: Rob Whyte Message-ID: <566BDD49.9000409@thefudge.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 19:39:37 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070903050401010602000406" Subject: Re: [orca-list] most accessible desktop with orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:39:42 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070903050401010602000406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Don and thanks for clarifying. THis may be of some help, note the gnome-shell link as well. http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/gnome-shell#introduction_to_gnome-shell cheers On 12/12/15 14:33, Don Raikes wrote: > > Rob, > > > > Yes I am totally blind, and the image I am creating is intended for > both running as a live cd and/or being installed onto a hard disk. > > > > Perhaps the problem is that I dont know the shortcut keys for gnome 3. > > When I get to the desktop and start orca, I press alt+f1 which used to > go to the gnome menu, but now it just says gnome-shell, and nothing I > do changes what I see/hear (note I am runnig with both speech and > Braille support). > > > > When I build the image with the mate desktop, I have the same results, > in fact I dont see any differences other than the size of the iso image. > > > > I want ot make this as cpu and memory efficient as possible so I can > use it on virtually any computer I have to use. > > > > > > Any tips would be appreciated. > > > > *From:*Rob Whyte [mailto:fudge@thefudge.net] > *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 6:33 PM > *To:* orca-list@gnome.org > *Subject:* Re: [orca-list] most accessible desktop with orca > > > > Hi Don, > nice to see you on list again. > Gnome 3 is what Orca is developed upon. > > What exactly are you finding about Gnome-shell that you feel is not > accessible. > It may be you are not familiar with how to navigate using keyboard > shortcuts? > I am not aware if you are vision impaired or not. > > What is the purpose of the build if I may ask, is it intended to be > run as a live image, if so the Mate environment may be a better solution. > > Thanks > Rob Whyte > > On 12/12/15 11:28, Don Raikes wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am attempting to build an accessible version of kalilinux (a > derivative of debian jesse). > > I have the optio of using gnome, mate, xfce, or lxde as my desktop > manager. > > When I build the image with the gnome desktop it is using gnome3 > and the gnome-shell is not very accessible. > > If I build with the mate desktop, I got the gnome-shell again. > > I havent tried either xfce or lxde yet. > > > > My question is which desktop is most usable with orca? I > personally liked the gnome2 desktop and was comfortable with it, > but when I generate the gnome image even if I am able to pick > between gnome and gnome-classic and choose gnome classic it > doesnt seem to make a difference. > > > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > TIA, > > Donald > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > --------------070903050401010602000406 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Don and thanks for clarifying.
THis may be of some help, note the gnome-shell link as well.

http://wiki.vinuxproject.org/gnome-shell#introduction_to_gnome-shell

cheers


On 12/12/15 14:33, Don Raikes wrote:

Rob,

Yes I am totally blind, and the image I am creating is intended for both running as a live cd and/or being installed onto a hard disk.

Perhaps the problem is that I dont know the shortcut keys for gnome 3.

When I get to the desktop and start orca, I press alt+f1 which used to go to the gnome menu, but now it just says gnome-shell, and nothing I do changes what I see/hear (note I am runnig with both speech and Braille support).

When I build the image with the mate desktop, I have the same results, in fact I dont see any differences other than the size of the iso image.

I want ot make this as cpu and memory efficient as possible so I can use it on virtually any computer I have to use.

Any tips would be appreciated.

From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fudge@thefudge.net]
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 6:33 PM
To: orca-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] most accessible desktop with orca

Hi Don,
nice to see you on list again.
Gnome 3 is what Orca is developed upon.

What exactly are you finding about Gnome-shell that you feel is not accessible.
It may be you are not familiar with how to navigate using keyboard shortcuts?
I am not aware if you are vision impaired or not.

What is the purpose of the build if I may ask, is it intended to be run as a live image, if so the Mate environment may be a better solution.

Thanks
Rob Whyte

On 12/12/15 11:28, Don Raikes wrote:

Hello,

I am attempting to build an accessible version of kalilinux (a derivative of debian jesse).

I have the optio of using gnome, mate, xfce, or lxde as my desktop manager.

When I build the image with the gnome desktop it is using gnome3 and the gnome-shell is not very accessible.

If I build with the mate desktop, I got the gnome-shell again.

I havent tried either xfce or lxde yet.

My question is which desktop is most usable with orca? I personally liked the gnome2 desktop and was comfortable with it, but when I generate the gnome image even if I am able to pick between gnome and gnome-classic and choose gnome classic it doesnt seem to make a difference.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

TIA,

Donald




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GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
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--------------070903050401010602000406-- From dahunt@posteo.de Sat Dec 12 22:47:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918CE765C6 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 22:47:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.611 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.611 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q0LR0P9P7iez for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 22:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout01.posteo.de (mout01.posteo.de [185.67.36.65]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4E2763C1 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 22:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dovecot03.posteo.de (dovecot03.posteo.de [172.16.0.13]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46C322092F for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 23:47:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.posteo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dovecot03.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3pJ3yT3xpvz5vNJ for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 23:47:13 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: David Hunt Message-ID: <566CA3EF.1000800@posteo.de> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 17:47:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Table Navigation with orca 3.19.3-PRE and Firefox no longer working. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 22:47:15 -0000 When I use this site: https://www.zonebbs.com/boards.php?cat_id=modified&qn=1 and I use the 't' command, orca says "table with 51 rows, 6 columns", then, "column header". When using 'alt+shift+left/right", orca should announce the column header's text, when on the first row, otherwise, should read the link text for the table datum. What seems to happen instead is orca reading the table's title, and "column header". but no data. This works in orca 3.16 and earlier, and I'd thought this was fixed, based on messages in the list archives. In case it makes a difference, the table data in question contain links. Thanks, Dave From zahari.yurukov@gmail.com Sun Dec 13 15:02:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F40576490 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 15:02:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xKXLWfmD1zL1 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 15:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f42.google.com (mail-wm0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1979F76357 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 15:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f42.google.com with SMTP id n186so87822987wmn.1 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 07:02:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rOhCl+/g5DtAE+0zEmXnInqfrNmfZWglh6rpWytO1Os=; b=e5CLxGU8cfGjp1sYQYTSud0riYldd1xzEZKhnVyKnJnsXC0p753CED7ieJObqIAj+3 I448nVql0a8cMy0Tfq4l3seoCZzXB2V32TFGeYu1SNvb7hZXw1QlzgztAILIJEk+LE8A SRrogDpMfBzh1y1+tRZurCNyvV8vjO+fdRjws2+7yPNJhBuIUA7fYJjUlRSLsTfmZotG +kpCB6ER9v4GmLHIKcFhNc3YrWBE+WMjhiWzxwVxir+XVyNwALuWdpGaw7R1zCj0tNTa ZZapXbz2IiLLo+g2v35H+2KBErMwrxG6ipQ14sRPr8R0mIZFWBakTPrr6rS6p5zmxtaJ ez/w== X-Received: by 10.195.11.101 with SMTP id eh5mr32619753wjd.104.1450018949955; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 07:02:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([87.121.101.209]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 143sm12020950wmv.18.2015.12.13.07.02.28 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Dec 2015 07:02:28 -0800 (PST) To: Orca-list References: <566CA3EF.1000800@posteo.de> From: Zahari Yurukov X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <566D8884.2070900@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 17:02:28 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <566CA3EF.1000800@posteo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Table Navigation with orca 3.19.3-PRE and Firefox no longer working. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 15:02:30 -0000 Hi, is this just that single table, or every table? Cause I have very similar problem, but with every table - table navigation commands just not work. However, I think Mozilla Firefox 42.0 is one to blame here, cause I reverted Orca to a commit from three weeks ago, where I was sure there wasn't such a problem, and the problem persisted. Same with Orca 3.18.2. Then, I've changed my keybindings for table navigation commands to Orca Modifier+Control+Arrows and they began working. When the Shift key is a part of the keystroke, Firefox begins to select text, and it looks like Orca currently could not do anything about it. I'm not 100% sure that the problem appeared after a Firefox update, but it looks like the most likely scenario. Best wishes, Zahari On 12/13/2015 12:47 AM, David Hunt wrote: > When I use this site: > https://www.zonebbs.com/boards.php?cat_id=modified&qn=1 and I use the > 't' command, orca says "table with 51 rows, 6 columns", then, "column > header". When using 'alt+shift+left/right", orca should announce the > column header's text, when on the first row, otherwise, should read the > link text for the table datum. What seems to happen instead is orca > reading the table's title, and "column header". but no data. This works > in orca 3.16 and earlier, and I'd thought this was fixed, based on > messages in the list archives. In case it makes a difference, the table > data in question contain links. > > > Thanks, > > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From dahunt@posteo.de Sun Dec 13 19:18:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE6C76357 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 19:18:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.611 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.611 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pbpCBactAI0K for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 19:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout01.posteo.de (mout01.posteo.de [185.67.36.65]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B984760AD for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 19:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dovecot03.posteo.de (dovecot03.posteo.de [172.16.0.13]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97A392096D for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 20:18:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.posteo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dovecot03.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3pJbHh5Hp0z5vNQ for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 20:18:56 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <566CA3EF.1000800@posteo.de> <566D8884.2070900@gmail.com> From: David Hunt Message-ID: <566DC49E.3040001@posteo.de> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 14:18:54 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <566D8884.2070900@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Table Navigation with orca 3.19.3-PRE and Firefox no longer working. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 19:18:58 -0000 Thanks for the suggested fix and explanation of the problem. I'll rebind those keys, and hope it gets me around it. I didn't really pay attention to what happens on layout tables. Cheers, Dave On 12/13/2015 10:02 AM, Zahari Yurukov wrote: > When the Shift key is a part of the keystroke, Firefox begins to select > text, and it looks like Orca currently could not do anything about it. > I'm not 100% sure that the problem appeared after a Firefox update, but > it looks like the most likely scenario. From chrys87@web.de Sun Dec 13 20:19:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A2C763D9 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 20:19:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BTdgO4B8nRXP for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 20:19:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.15.14]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B1776357 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 20:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.29] ([185.17.206.129]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lzaxm-1aLlfc23zm-014oE3; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 21:19:06 +0100 To: orca-list From: chrys87 Message-ID: <566DD2B8.7090900@web.de> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 21:19:04 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:XMdymgPZC9DZBODxDokQ6dS6aoQx07CPQjSwvmBgdxu9OU36TFj OZBGbE+BsaJG5NyUEONhP9KBhknwJ8gU08d2v/VTUkhEk4urU6XRpFYTqipVWVVNO5QQcm+ p4QTsDa74Ev7qurhQUn3oS14ISxIusfQLtU20tLqvEwLziKeWEeXvMjAydlu15eO+aUrQZw Vz+rPgpFibT+xlVPnLcUg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:IAABN0Fq8ts=:h8D3iHBors37NwSHU1qlL2 ysSHw4291+9ZYtNvMAbn7zQop6WsAVbwA2j+uT1p1TDNeEKHIC4gGupNtrg3JLPyiwydcxFDp NGW5nzly7WDsG1I04AfkvwIdkrKpXRfEh8HcQwmp9rbUb6/yqhL28McafovdbJ9eiQH6TSVOB OgXV3WEBVI8L4tkh+AM4nSAXvm5o62mzVFyj8zrPqeB/s5sD7Ucggj6DHKjYkZyYdylfEO1EY /KuAsFILf/AshT8JJu+dy5jCla1EQld8TGxN6wDAhhI0iy3MkRabMIuWI/pkc11uUBH8r59VD hvnFXsziB9HgvyYuSdhd+P1nmOYtlL3nZqDHJd3sEuRltAJXJlk1IIRfmzHmT6f984FLPWIUt 4OgqaHSynaxIWb3AnwW2bF0yoP7HTXhXMf3m966dzrpDw27Ex8tk2ZKH0O02nL0pUpmJunUmY PysYJ7P66QmwO/rvxEGipdVx19H7aAbW+GUVQ1g8MWdY613n9nns6pur4d8ZcQ+h5aFyHXh6/ S+4kM8Mce9MN6AZbwp+SkNi5AN4jvLOms8Hv6muGZQyrSkv+EEF2La9xqYINz5bAF1wx3zFYl 6MJ6dNoAddB/L676Lf349ylqR66FJok9O+qR6vtXr7lecO9Pfb/Ihir6coQob3NDhhfneW+MR KZWBg7Ub6WWPM/vUb4PuMTKcLIF2fZvgu6JyMGFs0LN/ZSbGX7hx/R4He35OwZ68F1Kv5Bddd 4O6dBL1IaTYcZ/BHmkRucFtWdFB+GteePlyzRr9bTBWABG/kvRVT1Vain/I9vOf//vOdU72bH IdRHPsJ Subject: [orca-list] Initial sound icons implemented into orca, testers and feedback wanted X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 20:19:08 -0000 Howdy List, Hi Joanie caused by I could not sleep last night I did some programming work for fun. so i decided to implement basic sound icons into orca (based on my not mainlined sound generator for the beeping progress bars). I recognize that many people whats that feature. Its not in a final state (but a good one), nor I have the allowance by Joanie to implement this (Joanie what did you think about?). I did it _just_for_fun_! A biiiig thanks to storm_dragon, he designed some sound icon beep sequences for me. Because it seems to work very well to storm_dragon and me, we decide to make this public for testing, feedback and discussion. !I recommend this only for more technical users. Because it can break your screen reader setup!! where do i get it? Its currently on my git. git clone git@github.com:chrys87/orca-beep.git (change in the dir) ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var make make install move your old orca settings away start orca ( the sound icons here activated by default) what do i get? Its based on the most current orca master and contains the beeping progress bars and the sound icons. the sound icons are activated by default (for more easy testing). It can activate/ deactivate via the orca settings (enable sound icons on the main tab) what does it? 1. some (more common) widget like (check box, combo box, button, link, combo box, radio button) have an sound icon. there is no announcement of the widget "type" anymore but an different kind of sound is played on focus. 2. check box and radio button has different sound icons if there checked/selected or unchecked/unselected. here is no announcement of the value but a different kind of "beep" per value. 3. Browse/Focus mode announcement is also notified (by a non finished, ugly long sound (for know, i will change that as soon as storm_dragon has a cool sound icon for me) 4. all announcements are replaced by the sound icons. that means if a sound icon exists the type or state will not announced via speech. 5. sound icons could be turned on/ off in the settings 6. its done in a configurable way... so the sound icons cold overwritten in theories in orca-customisazion.py what does you guys think? bugs? ideas? cheers chrys From zahari.yurukov@gmail.com Sun Dec 13 22:02:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FFC765A3 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:02:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6tIGRLTmyzXR for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f47.google.com (mail-wm0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28BB76490 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f47.google.com with SMTP id p66so38305275wmp.1 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 14:02:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Wa0RCAhJiAJxIA85maZ2IlI+28tgVBOp1eeK3Hf3QCg=; b=c6BM3R88r17CQvM/4ftOiQevc+1naAlfe+vyh9fNNDlaPtGDzox1nHUSZt22GiqqTB G3AMZoQm+SpGSmsP41rc/camYvYt1j/yzBzknPDTW1/AyjqlYQyzk+Rb/OtHHM133+1C ihTKY7PVixDxBE2iZfeIiDQPd6DkDr9t6YySeslkRWXUo8F3ArCUkSfsNsDRwgQiLreC Jk0E+Hcje4yAt+yqRpA7XXYumC8ArOoWGfD8smkq9FJ9DnsWUeMImYJBzlFspszzmJXZ oGMXzfcgxDS9KFvoFEPQD7cA4AnF9C9dcm9+cxK1VsiM4PiMWfGLotxiq1+c2FdtLnJh XxaA== X-Received: by 10.28.15.194 with SMTP id 185mr21075638wmp.9.1450044149470; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 14:02:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([87.121.101.209]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id yr7sm26901649wjc.9.2015.12.13.14.02.28 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Dec 2015 14:02:28 -0800 (PST) To: Orca-list References: <566DD2B8.7090900@web.de> From: Zahari Yurukov X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <566DEAF3.3070201@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 00:02:27 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <566DD2B8.7090900@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Initial sound icons implemented into orca, testers and feedback wanted X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:02:30 -0000 Hi, Very nice! And why not a separate tab in the Orca Preferences, called sounds? It could incorporate all sounds of Orca and a way of playing/changing them. You've missed some controls, like page tab, editable, check menu item and radio menu item, may be also some other more rare controls, also some states, like expanded/collapsed. There also could be a sound for menu/submenu. I don't know why, but when I go to facebook.com and move through headings of level 5, they're silenced. This doesn't happen with Orca master. There is also problem when navigating by headings on startpage.com (I was just going to search for free sounds). I'll continue testing and reporting my additional findings. Best wishes, Zahari On 12/13/2015 10:19 PM, chrys87 wrote: > Howdy List, Hi Joanie > > caused by I could not sleep last night I did some programming work for > fun. so i decided to implement basic sound icons into orca (based on my > not mainlined sound generator for the beeping progress bars). I > recognize that many people whats that feature. Its not in a final state > (but a good one), nor I have the allowance by Joanie to implement this > (Joanie what did you think about?). I did it _just_for_fun_! > A biiiig thanks to storm_dragon, he designed some sound icon beep > sequences for me. > Because it seems to work very well to storm_dragon and me, we decide to > make this public for testing, feedback and discussion. > !I recommend this only for more technical users. Because it can break > your screen reader setup!! > where do i get it? > Its currently on my git. > git clone git@github.com:chrys87/orca-beep.git > (change in the dir) > ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var > make > make install > move your old orca settings away > start orca ( the sound icons here activated by default) > > what do i get? > Its based on the most current orca master and contains the beeping > progress bars and the sound icons. > the sound icons are activated by default (for more easy testing). It can > activate/ deactivate via the orca settings (enable sound icons on the > main tab) > > what does it? > 1. some (more common) widget like (check box, combo box, button, link, > combo box, radio button) have an sound icon. there is no announcement of > the widget "type" anymore but an different kind of sound is played on > focus. > 2. check box and radio button has different sound icons if there > checked/selected or unchecked/unselected. here is no announcement of the > value but a different kind of "beep" per value. > 3. Browse/Focus mode announcement is also notified (by a non finished, > ugly long sound (for know, i will change that as soon as storm_dragon > has a cool sound icon for me) > 4. all announcements are replaced by the sound icons. that means if a > sound icon exists the type or state will not announced via speech. > 5. sound icons could be turned on/ off in the settings > 6. its done in a configurable way... so the sound icons cold overwritten > in theories in orca-customisazion.py > what does you guys think? bugs? ideas? > > cheers chrys > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From chrys87@web.de Sun Dec 13 22:16:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A8176490 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:16:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i5cUjxEY7BOM for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.15.3]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C04763D9 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.29] ([185.17.206.129]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Ls6JT-1aDlDq1jTz-013sxN for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 23:16:01 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <566DD2B8.7090900@web.de> From: chrys87 Message-ID: <566DEE20.2080005@web.de> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 23:16:00 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <566DD2B8.7090900@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:/1C/uv0cSJJzKZA+6Azjc+16kj+JA9XWeKOIkWNyVUsE8VYVZ5y eRNbN11ztnEo6J1HD+WtcCl6xkL5EbfmJJnXiHbbFD4HLs0U2mI9L0zgVbke4R6TbVUsbvB quMQWyCLczq5MUjFCT7C97J18EKA1TXxc8o/9q04yJZl4D8hNiq05budRnNXbys6jenyf6e lSwGwkgkqUbZOMu0EdWUA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:3IJAoE6x8Gw=:eDVGCE9twa8c48bKiWwRKI A/3Y4ZnuKZ1vJAssS3+sN5wYRWg4hfvaZUGypYoSR8FaMxw6FyK23XyI638yro8+OTr4HsqPu zEieoadZ+WSc/gXLo+Y67B9RbR1eWYtL8ZRpNOo0dml1SuJ8W8WgrvJrD4I1OPmAwj6t2imb+ 1crlXipy0HvU95V7/bGc44PP6GcPVTxC4QrbpHajCFleRTRxjLOXCuIM3StWgO3lQFNM0Jtqc uHhIx/SfWHtuEzL4KLEC7MXBm/3FKNCLKB8zlWH/kP6qR9n+Fl0Eu1Uu2dKY5pv+X1/QtYjrd e9zPs/sjR9spy0N0p5y8ye9nE1QHcFOVnFT41gHlem6XwX1vZjD3lqXgV9k3he6cK2gafQadn 9c4FvFoLxiS/2QQkZHotEiy9IwCn6kkLVt+Ho52bUd+5xXumnKvmKv3Vs+s5i/JFyYueCX6BD EPCqgSR/46CpPdZ2cTBKnPFVIib8lAhBJ1eTq4zZT6dDvlyQYpI7pbsuBcbT8L08M2Q2gVxOG yoGmd0ROx2p/9+gMwLlZ/e/cInDir76tBxCv+Kbb4DM/x+TYvFCcHjI0Z9Cv1Bm1njjo/j+cF BdvKc63SVdG0EayF8xG20r89NtkV2rCDU3h67/SdVsfQWAWQ5XgmV8hAkBT4jp+SJzGX8y8cp JBCOw2KwVhjuPNRFBpU2Yz2WONLB6EEX9g4EqqhXt5yQHjglc6gQUAOMILxffbMzUIRQpqpsY 9E5dXYIcWwilb1mDCwa82lGkJXkSHh3pNZkw9oU4KZXwacTdRKqEEG/uHm9thQ2w2rjFjs8CK 0yFlBeQ Subject: Re: [orca-list] Initial sound icons implemented into orca, testers and feedback wanted X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:16:03 -0000 Howdy List, i have to correct some things... the clone address is https://github.com/chrys87/orca-beep.git git clone https://github.com/chrys87/orca-beep.git i noticed that i send you the one you need an key :). on other thing: Focus/Browsing mode sound icons now in place Am 13.12.2015 um 21:19 schrieb chrys87: > Howdy List, Hi Joanie > > caused by I could not sleep last night I did some programming work for > fun. so i decided to implement basic sound icons into orca (based on > my not mainlined sound generator for the beeping progress bars). I > recognize that many people whats that feature. Its not in a final > state (but a good one), nor I have the allowance by Joanie to > implement this (Joanie what did you think about?). I did it > _just_for_fun_! > A biiiig thanks to storm_dragon, he designed some sound icon beep > sequences for me. > Because it seems to work very well to storm_dragon and me, we decide > to make this public for testing, feedback and discussion. > !I recommend this only for more technical users. Because it can break > your screen reader setup!! > where do i get it? > Its currently on my git. > git clone git@github.com:chrys87/orca-beep.git > (change in the dir) > ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var > make > make install > move your old orca settings away > start orca ( the sound icons here activated by default) > > what do i get? > Its based on the most current orca master and contains the beeping > progress bars and the sound icons. > the sound icons are activated by default (for more easy testing). It > can activate/ deactivate via the orca settings (enable sound icons on > the main tab) > > what does it? > 1. some (more common) widget like (check box, combo box, button, link, > combo box, radio button) have an sound icon. there is no announcement > of the widget "type" anymore but an different kind of sound is played > on focus. > 2. check box and radio button has different sound icons if there > checked/selected or unchecked/unselected. here is no announcement of > the value but a different kind of "beep" per value. > 3. Browse/Focus mode announcement is also notified (by a non finished, > ugly long sound (for know, i will change that as soon as storm_dragon > has a cool sound icon for me) > 4. all announcements are replaced by the sound icons. that means if a > sound icon exists the type or state will not announced via speech. > 5. sound icons could be turned on/ off in the settings > 6. its done in a configurable way... so the sound icons cold > overwritten in theories in orca-customisazion.py > what does you guys think? bugs? ideas? > > cheers chrys > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From chrys87@web.de Sun Dec 13 22:21:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4486776490 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:21:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bfTZNuzXp-GR for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.15.14]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD57763D9 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.29] ([185.17.206.129]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LcPm2-1aXubH1WTe-00joxf for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 23:21:13 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <566DD2B8.7090900@web.de> <566DEAF3.3070201@gmail.com> From: chrys87 Message-ID: <566DEF57.5010208@web.de> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 23:21:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <566DEAF3.3070201@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:2Z4zBAUXQ1CX2yX0KuK3IYYzNqowPEfNbU85Jms+0Z/e451EGls 5K1il1+AmnU76LPyDNNjPuPepBVLJ2YC7D5UYZ5Z4todsIr24X7arJnqXgoo/SGgkIhCzHR scCDM0dRAjcHX0i9cLhy3fm76iLSpUN9TGCdX8K6YUxSVnytXip1SYVmP+W/ekRm+Gl5Ifs NWFwVoebAidMr001pHGIQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:czYZ4YsRGAc=:lE6OLILt7vIORhGEu3uVmw Hxoy6t5fiMRKkPK+1oyJhC430+8hBz9r/svf3crQVRo/BJdVFJ8tPpq5MZ5hUtx4mDgnc42qJ Orj/q+Fm/sAPkz+dJMXWcNHAObd8i8S17McloyIL6UxJqs/dE7XtKgQiM0fR1HXYoq0lbKEre ne9KoI5yyDVn9x/UdWyaiFHwp6RyMJyAU5pCGsRxbwnH0ynbuUUChnH6H993ydzrUu27yOs9M wpgvlR7q1X0CrltRPN8xqyjhzuDkrZxANZhCXt8axhj6u/mg/KpIFtRAve9/oXUx/AdydCj8G Gdllqnpn97v+29k0tk1wGj6BR9abgr5mro5kIHEtWPD8Q8PotvnRyw1NlcN2X+fXi7Kh2Cq23 yUyr90Ec/b3Xue65NrT8zekqANX0r2f1iRhgKm2z9SKX78HNlEy1t9ctd+6P+BpVdFNdxrNMg SvfBUOJOF3oHvZEJ6asXXtXgGy+RiOehXZriDgWEDbQenKho+ybfOqrDwQ2C5J97f9rm1Gt7W fx+7ABi4GDStbGlaASER+Wwi/aYkSpn0u1zhxkaSFeoFy1lhoS7hdXHX9755CYSPOlYY9O0LO CIUtXuKaGQxEJqycgdBi+gcogBCEAIY4d6tahKs28TGpid7ou1SjegyJUA5AJNOffuFnTCbKB E81n1htBuLS0xtzt0IFnTRYUFQlpwcGvLYllc9p/RPsviSK2Te15l01wEFiIfzkvAW+rhll8m cehrzDoQ/d2bdMChvzIVLXiPmNPBo1jmneqRhPaII5x6UOTtDfIlORXT9QZIlvh5YKghuuT86 Q/Dk4xW Subject: Re: [orca-list] Initial sound icons implemented into orca, testers and feedback wanted X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:21:14 -0000 Hi, Thanks for feedback. >> And why not a separate tab in the Orca Preferences, there two reasons: 1. its an "prototype" I told its not final yet. 2. I m currently working on a overall rework of the GUI of orca. here I would do this IF this stuff would be accepted (its not my decision, joanie is the god of orca :) ) >>You've missed some controls Its not in a final state >>like expanded/collapsed. There also could be a sound for >>menu/submenu. of corse, what does the others think? how "deep" should this sound icons going? >>This doesn't happen with Orca >>master. There is also problem when navigating by headings on >>startpage.com (I was just going to search for free sounds). thanks i will investigate it. cheers chrys Am 13.12.2015 um 23:02 schrieb Zahari Yurukov: > Hi, > Very nice! And why not a separate tab in the Orca Preferences, called > sounds? It could incorporate all sounds of Orca and a way of > playing/changing them. > You've missed some controls, like page tab, editable, check menu item > and radio menu item, may be also some other more rare controls, also > some states, like expanded/collapsed. There also could be a sound for > menu/submenu. > I don't know why, but when I go to facebook.com and move through > headings of level 5, they're silenced. This doesn't happen with Orca > master. There is also problem when navigating by headings on > startpage.com (I was just going to search for free sounds). > > I'll continue testing and reporting my additional findings. > > Best wishes, > Zahari > > On 12/13/2015 10:19 PM, chrys87 wrote: >> Howdy List, Hi Joanie >> >> caused by I could not sleep last night I did some programming work for >> fun. so i decided to implement basic sound icons into orca (based on my >> not mainlined sound generator for the beeping progress bars). I >> recognize that many people whats that feature. Its not in a final state >> (but a good one), nor I have the allowance by Joanie to implement this >> (Joanie what did you think about?). I did it _just_for_fun_! >> A biiiig thanks to storm_dragon, he designed some sound icon beep >> sequences for me. >> Because it seems to work very well to storm_dragon and me, we decide to >> make this public for testing, feedback and discussion. >> !I recommend this only for more technical users. Because it can break >> your screen reader setup!! >> where do i get it? >> Its currently on my git. >> git clone git@github.com:chrys87/orca-beep.git >> (change in the dir) >> ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var >> make >> make install >> move your old orca settings away >> start orca ( the sound icons here activated by default) >> >> what do i get? >> Its based on the most current orca master and contains the beeping >> progress bars and the sound icons. >> the sound icons are activated by default (for more easy testing). It can >> activate/ deactivate via the orca settings (enable sound icons on the >> main tab) >> >> what does it? >> 1. some (more common) widget like (check box, combo box, button, link, >> combo box, radio button) have an sound icon. there is no announcement of >> the widget "type" anymore but an different kind of sound is played on >> focus. >> 2. check box and radio button has different sound icons if there >> checked/selected or unchecked/unselected. here is no announcement of the >> value but a different kind of "beep" per value. >> 3. Browse/Focus mode announcement is also notified (by a non finished, >> ugly long sound (for know, i will change that as soon as storm_dragon >> has a cool sound icon for me) >> 4. all announcements are replaced by the sound icons. that means if a >> sound icon exists the type or state will not announced via speech. >> 5. sound icons could be turned on/ off in the settings >> 6. its done in a configurable way... so the sound icons cold overwritten >> in theories in orca-customisazion.py >> what does you guys think? bugs? ideas? >> >> cheers chrys >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From sarperarikan@gmail.com Sun Dec 13 22:50:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD3176490 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:50:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C52LhMDi_HF7 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f172.google.com (mail-io0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301CE763D9 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iofq126 with SMTP id q126so16819553iof.2 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 14:50:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=n5aTxSVgyCVkxH7+CJMCcsG5SpnS9USGXbU9Woii5IU=; b=th9uqm5SjjtKySOi/WYlA5Jd8PzSaLhYn1+f+mO+mzqeSfMWXWUAcua9uePArnLpek 8qWHz8pLP0PrzGNjSbzLW0jgxV9AMnuPEXfhlpT9ibaJMvVsCGva+ogztWYmkvmTU5CZ e6am91pRFtTYSaq9y14hAMsHHsJ7T0G2h83I4OCjdacbpruajSjPbQ6pbSeSEYOR1QkV l/ODn2oSjF4hy35IslMXx7+vSwyvnseeQ4uWnbjP2jcIMISQAzMxqKWjUs08IbVbXMzH Sn64aQyG1GLZB/2dAS+Mvv9De6NnICoTCC1fpkrQFNKHEgmaMS3DejpS5qXVM9zDqdjv nVTQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.32.209 with SMTP id g200mr24200234iog.39.1450047038614; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 14:50:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.223.114 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 14:50:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 00:50:38 +0200 Message-ID: From: engelsiz android To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [orca-list] about libra office using by orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:50:38 -0000 Hello dear listers and orca developers I am a new blind linux user with orca. My linux package is ubuntu 15.4. When I am using a libra office presentation program with orca. Some issues I found it. So In slide area subtitle and main title or body title etc. Orca does not speak. also In presentation mode orca does not speak too in slide show. I think say line command can be added in orca. I love this screen reader and I want to developers to improve this screen reader. I will send a feedback for improve this software. Best reguards. Sarper ARIKAN-Blindness and asistive technologies trainer Mediterrian University/asistive technologies and informations department --=20 Akdeniz =C3=9Cniversitesi Merkez K=C3=BCt=C3=BCphane Ve Dok. DB. Giri=C5= =9Fi Engelli Destek BirimiG=C3=B6rme Engelliler Salonu sorumlusu(E=C4=9Fitmen) ve Engels= iz eri=C5=9Fim derne=C4=9Fi =C3=BCyesi: Sarper Ar=C4=B1kan Tel: 0242 310 17 12 Cep: 0553 370 67 14 Web: http://gesek.akdeniz.edu.tr --=20 Akdeniz =C3=9Cniversitesi Merkez K=C3=BCt=C3=BCphane Ve Dok. DB. Giri=C5= =9Fi Engelli Destek BirimiG=C3=B6rme Engelliler Salonu sorumlusu(E=C4=9Fitmen) ve Engels= iz eri=C5=9Fim derne=C4=9Fi =C3=BCyesi: Sarper Ar=C4=B1kan Tel: 0242 310 17 12 Cep: 0553 370 67 14 Web: http://gesek.akdeniz.edu.tr From luchyanus@gmail.com Mon Dec 14 07:11:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F98765BC for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 07:11:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ccQl88jeSVJP for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 07:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vk0-f68.google.com (mail-vk0-f68.google.com [209.85.213.68]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9FD76490 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 07:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vkca188 with SMTP id a188so8905872vkc.1 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 23:11:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1TBCuVVM3oZsz1ZA553XnNnzZlxhv6p0zc54JacWGLA=; b=DK1vOAwGlulHBvzlpDSpWaC9ys+IcsbIRlNSWa78GF71jqZgGhSCElBWAvCrWT7MPC WZ5c2KH17OVsOmQMoC1JLgTeSjaayk0gljw7ZCqm/NDQwMufuxKY1FEKQklQA4v2gPEQ OxwgKwzHValwVsLCYFn/uYq3oMfpoeVXFnOz2BMUJRT4oZzxGO+8IJK/lBVpmOjiY8Wh zDyrFZrSVJELnuMNdmCx1UaQJqA+V9AOzdgz8RQGA69RGdOgU/HqcdtDb1/OHpw4Vlwh C5+ouMMWipu23SOC1wfykvAC4G4c0UqpiekuofVOigpBnOHkuyUuTcO6XPZ137+3lLqn PnAQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.58.193 with SMTP id h184mr24081828vka.9.1450077089270; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 23:11:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.183.195 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Dec 2015 23:11:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 05:11:29 -0200 Message-ID: From: luciano de souza To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: [orca-list] Creating Libreoffice Calc macros X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 07:11:29 -0000 Hello all, Until now, I have not been successful in creating Calc macros. Does someone have already created a Calc macro? Perhaps, Orca doesn't read the editor dialogs of Libreoffice Basic. After attempts, this is the hypothesis I regard. Does someone know something about this? -- Luciano de Souza From chrys87@web.de Mon Dec 14 09:58:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF3B765BC for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:58:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.636 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.636 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OItNN0rryLAt for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.15.14]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF48A76490 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.6.142.162] by 3capp-webde-bs19.server.lan (via HTTP); Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:58:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: chrys87@web.de To: "David Hunt" , Orca-list Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:58:32 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <566E58D6.4030708@posteo.de> References: <566DD2B8.7090900@web.de>, <566E58D6.4030708@posteo.de> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:wNfNleNxukOl65g6Uv825gpybfHQBHmPkVr4XPnb0OM bblJWgPaedrWFPz9Zily5zCmd/AFBvatkd0Y5Y6gmIskFqjx5s C82OZyFhJ+9e+uAMSg5/cHfVNtjdVL9nyi+//C2LSIR+ODcBTn WstutUkCQoxmpCohD1fAfJ3Ir7UyUWrA1tpunYlu4DSLJOUbMO mVg3t/t3mOf78HjNuot5wlAl44qBLJrCpxyKRC17HGePKYbG4J FKNxhcXC4w6KFDWiv2scHjJ+mp2sHXPEeVxQA5KGjpTT5lKirK 32qDMI= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:lbBXNLZ9Nns=:ej+2uiabXQwA1SBFU/HSON CnNPzmzBkfEGBn6DCAuy+Q7T5DuHKUxdu26JkJ0CEa2PHWhafNWb1kbMHPk0Z7zlgZj17s25B SEk0kfjDe6sWou1jr9sTvWTYjMLEBRxdVM/10oE+iG8aWrWwTG89f4/g1wI9LIyk6KUzGUfo9 flBU/1HCYLWDrxHemxYxT6EDdJeWQdVUYH+wjepj0RBloQOIVh1LaPxye5H0q0Q4nFT2FWaZz sAgaUF2IlvjvV6ColrOnnW8sMgzaojGT/QN2N65m+1X8+oryx1dCP8afx6R09w6sWoTh2J+h8 c6FerR288MQVD0spLw+yXYbG6LVT/5GwRnMt9Tno5beQYg7TOhvAK9JaC1GNt+itlmez/Y998 +/ND4UJpqEClmRQllVheaJboD61RsL2B3LCZ4OKUcf6i9Flnym9uM82RExwtRY7cYrUrKTagz s/vtDLKCrA== Subject: Re: [orca-list] Initial sound icons implemented into orca, testers and feedback wanted X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:58:58 -0000
Hi David ,
to your frist point: here I pepared something :). But nu UI element for now. You can adjust the sound volume via the soundVolume settings variable. it have to be a value betwee 0.00 (silent) to 1.00 (realy loud). the default is 0.1
I will add a slider. There 2 ways to set this for now:
1. via orca-customizations.py
add the following the file /home/<username>/.local/share/orca/orca-customizations.py
<code>
import orca.settings
orca.settings.soundVolume = 0.1
</code>
2. or you could change the value in the variable soundVolume in your settings file:
/home/<user>/.local/share/orca/user-settings.py
 
for your second point. i cant reproduce this, but i try to retest it again later. is there a special case where the speech crops?
 
I m also interested in what widgets do you like to see as sound icon. maybe someone would like to help designing sound icons.
i just need the frequences, duration and the pan for sound generation. storm_dragon did this with sox/play. maybe he could explain how this does work.
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Dezember 2015 um 06:51 Uhr
Von: "David Hunt" <dahunt@posteo.de>
An: chrys87 <chrys87@web.de>
Betreff: Re: [orca-list] Initial sound icons implemented into orca, testers and feedback wanted
Hi,

I'm using the orca with sound icons, what a great idea; thanks for doing
this on a sleepless night.

A couple of quick observations:

1) a sound icons volume slider would be convenient; I find their current
volume a bit low.

2) Sometimes a sound icon will chop the voice.

I realize this feature is still in early development, and it's off to a
good start.


Sincerely,


Dave



 
From chrys87@web.de Mon Dec 14 19:03:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81983769E6 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:03:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.359 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.359 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 254kWJAbuDYE for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.15.14]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B5E7699A for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.29] ([185.17.206.93]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MRD0p-1Ze9862feh-00Udj8 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:03:34 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <566DD2B8.7090900@web.de> <566E58D6.4030708@posteo.de> From: chrys87 Message-ID: <566F1284.5070205@web.de> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:03:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080603050504050903010107" X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:ZBgCFj7/h5Pe4OTNa1gN5totIDg44zuMVz6JCQflAmmLsyIUYbl h1QbZBOiqDkvC6vvECxGn8Qtv28P0nAld5W9tO66WCZCOoelKCK17o3v1ENHux9lRSBrZde 98KarYUeEjgpLIkQ+VsjR/228RV1bFRs2l9tdEvO4QnTZx8KNQYOr0IAgj2y08+qPEquyni ISaSC0dy3frSjjzJgpeNw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:3wwe/40EHUA=:EgLjNyVPcalIDlMf9k8Df0 C7k02suiCtUNO4Xyjg9XWm2ZD8rXFKP1LseJthZpPe+oP0AqrEJmc07OO0LEhq1wOgn6CuREZ 6nFqwmSsQETfvFl459ie+JpMZgbKoSn2PJ3Ljpv3FPtwLf1urvFw5UwDBXi0RKHEwzyeyiakj rPuq8YZT67k1ngvSeiXPPUpe2//9sbvTJyxZerZ/DfzFC5nsA34q5C6+VxDxlgrfWc9+Txfjz ssBz3j4bNkgJFoCDtdMU9sidiwh5xmPqUdTAaNqQTW+bMZT/5jlF6hCwSP6HnGl56mT9Wtvge IZHGQoO08/Wr+PTyZuneEb3FrlSLVkdf7Pwyi5gywmORVkrtb+lgfAAapnG+YPFJ1oAvx0qvw ZymXbUgv2pqseE3VYPNKcunXI0x4YHuj+GF0nufWemO14s6O+xjFLdS87B5CVF7yTipCxOzoH aPeAFhRxEGAtLr65m0IowVLP/zx4zmdQT0yNQlTJ2t8Wr+YfB2TN2aGvUXcdZqM/WgPNzIaJw M3y/7IssbhddnsWubi9/DQ9d0tE2I8ynvyjhyeliTImx0p4wNUcMZuyhzaHaUqNllAhbOrA4j RTCSUJ3pvn0jgfa5C90u8LqTOrw46Dx2WbUNs0v/fGAj2paPVBXJKUT1BzLnsJelOSx9H+/Sw Sykmr5ZyHLsx6z2iE5nf72U+VVlaVvT99NuPx76PbxoGKZsmvCEAtv0eYRPoZjrdWk+IQubp6 fjf+jfmgZiBkUWUu81jzpM3JW+Fmmvbg4bBr7vzFtM91b4SC+P9HHjuD5aNJjgvs89UfkyLbf R+7uswk Subject: Re: [orca-list] Initial sound icons implemented into orca, testers and feedback wanted X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:03:36 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080603050504050903010107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, I like to inform you that now there is a "sound" tab. For now you can enable disable sound overall change the volume enable/disable sound icons. Am 14.12.2015 um 10:58 schrieb chrys87@web.de: > Hi David , > to your frist point: here I pepared something :). But nu UI element > for now. You can adjust the sound volume via the soundVolume settings > variable. it have to be a value betwee 0.00 (silent) to 1.00 (realy > loud). the default is 0.1 > I will add a slider. There 2 ways to set this for now: > 1. via orca-customizations.py > add the following the file > /home//.local/share/orca/orca-customizations.py > > import orca.settings > orca.settings.soundVolume = 0.1 > > 2. or you could change the value in the variable soundVolume in your > settings file: > /home//.local/share/orca/user-settings.py > for your second point. i cant reproduce this, but i try to retest it > again later. is there a special case where the speech crops? > I m also interested in what widgets do you like to see as sound icon. > maybe someone would like to help designing sound icons. > i just need the frequences, duration and the pan for sound generation. > storm_dragon did this with sox/play. maybe he could explain how this > does work. > *Gesendet:* Montag, 14. Dezember 2015 um 06:51 Uhr > *Von:* "David Hunt" > *An:* chrys87 > *Betreff:* Re: [orca-list] Initial sound icons implemented into orca, > testers and feedback wanted > Hi, > > I'm using the orca with sound icons, what a great idea; thanks for doing > this on a sleepless night. > > A couple of quick observations: > > 1) a sound icons volume slider would be convenient; I find their current > volume a bit low. > > 2) Sometimes a sound icon will chop the voice. > > I realize this feature is still in early development, and it's off to a > good start. > > > Sincerely, > > > Dave > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --------------080603050504050903010107 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Guys,

I like to inform you that now there is a "sound" tab.
For now you can

enable disable sound overall
change the volume
enable/disable sound icons.

Am 14.12.2015 um 10:58 schrieb chrys87@web.de:
Hi David ,
to your frist point: here I pepared something :). But nu UI element for now. You can adjust the sound volume via the soundVolume settings variable. it have to be a value betwee 0.00 (silent) to 1.00 (realy loud). the default is 0.1
I will add a slider. There 2 ways to set this for now:
1. via orca-customizations.py
add the following the file /home/<username>/.local/share/orca/orca-customizations.py
<code>
import orca.settings
orca.settings.soundVolume = 0.1
</code>
2. or you could change the value in the variable soundVolume in your settings file:
/home/<user>/.local/share/orca/user-settings.py
for your second point. i cant reproduce this, but i try to retest it again later. is there a special case where the speech crops?
I m also interested in what widgets do you like to see as sound icon. maybe someone would like to help designing sound icons.
i just need the frequences, duration and the pan for sound generation. storm_dragon did this with sox/play. maybe he could explain how this does work.
Gesendet:Montag, 14. Dezember 2015 um 06:51 Uhr
Von:"David Hunt" <dahunt@posteo.de>
An:chrys87 <chrys87@web.de>
Betreff:Re: [orca-list] Initial sound icons implemented into orca, testers and feedback wanted
Hi,

I'm using the orca with sound icons, what a great idea; thanks for doing
this on a sleepless night.

A couple of quick observations:

1) a sound icons volume slider would be convenient; I find their current
volume a bit low.

2) Sometimes a sound icon will chop the voice.

I realize this feature is still in early development, and it's off to a
good start.


Sincerely,


Dave





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--------------080603050504050903010107-- From dahunt@posteo.de Mon Dec 14 19:31:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0D8769E6 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:31:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.611 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.611 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b6e-DB-Y5B4r for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout01.posteo.de (mout01.posteo.de [185.67.36.65]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90AE7699A for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dovecot03.posteo.de (dovecot03.posteo.de [172.16.0.13]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44BCE208BD for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:31:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.posteo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dovecot03.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3pKCWt3Y5Xz5vNY; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:31:38 +0100 (CET) To: chrys87 , orca-list@gnome.org References: <566DD2B8.7090900@web.de> <566E58D6.4030708@posteo.de> <566F1284.5070205@web.de> From: David Hunt Message-ID: <566F1918.2040406@posteo.de> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:31:36 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <566F1284.5070205@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Initial sound icons implemented into orca, testers and feedback wanted X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:31:40 -0000 Thanks for adding the sounds tab; not sure whether this will become part of the new ui design. When adjusting the sound volume via the new spinner and saving preferences, the new value is not retained. To reproduce, visit the new tab in preferences, and change the sound volume to something larger than the default, then hit 'ok. Expected result: louder sounds and the new value set. Actual result: sounds are at default volume and value is unchanged from default. Cheers, Dave On 12/14/2015 02:03 PM, chrys87 wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I like to inform you that now there is a "sound" tab. > For now you can > > enable disable sound overall > change the volume > enable/disable sound icons. From sarperarikan@gmail.com Mon Dec 14 20:01:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA667699A for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:01:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4x_mPY80YOYl for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f178.google.com (mail-io0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2B6762C4 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iofo67 with SMTP id o67so56024549iof.3 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:01:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=R92B4cIUsF3XDO0dJMDzdE67k/b/Plkm08mMu8cbuOA=; b=tQGyIlhUYF3TnwON6Tk46W3reVoUuEH6zmR4OqT4EkNmBnax3IOcpSuGe1pfQCC2Zv CgYiSEQ6PoHmVkcjkqNyPAmV9ibJ1ebNHwhNonQL+9h9FTXnOYq5x6bUBmn3fakf1fL1 fHaL8bzMADVqDeiT68TcN7ysnhdFKtVcClugUNBjSewGmP+3USrHju6gP20EXE1V5WEJ mboyi781p0RdRdei5+FTxYhB8ZKf1nUVOkmPF98JoX9N8O3/+ohDtT9nBWAR/JMJTMy6 QG38D/yy1T9XW4JZDSI4yeA7ppup8F9V/ruMG35TJEWraTcZr8QqDsr5kdPyymdxlMpA N8kw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.35.69 with SMTP id j66mr31939375ioj.51.1450123281786; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:01:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.223.114 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:01:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:01:21 +0200 Message-ID: From: engelsiz android To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [orca-list] about libra office and skype using by orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:01:21 -0000 Hello Skype linux version is not accesible with orca. Main screen and installation screens is not anounce to us anything by orca. And seccond thing In libra office writter the orca can not anounce to us headings and other styles. Best reguards. Sarper ARIKAN-Blindness and asistive technologies trainer Mediterrian University/asistive technologies and informations department From jason@jasonjgw.net Mon Dec 14 20:48:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481EA7694A for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:48:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fjTAaQyTr0g3 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr.jasonjgw.net (svr.jasonjgw.net [192.155.90.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02D2762C4 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jpc.jasonjgw.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:85:c202:533b:216:eaff:fe69:4636]) by svr.jasonjgw.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C6CF7321D6 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:48:48 -0500 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151214204848.GA6889@jpc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] about libra office and skype using by orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:48:50 -0000 engelsiz android wrote: > Hello > Skype linux version is not accesible with orca. Main screen and > installation screens is not anounce to us anything by orca. Skype is not accessible with Orca. This is a bug in Skype, not in Orca, however, and I doubt that Microsoft will invest engineering resources into fixing it. I don't use Skype, but those who rely on it will need to use it on a mobile device or with another operating system. > And seccond thing > In libra office writter the orca can not anounce to us headings and > other styles. It announces them for me under LibreOffice. In laptop mode, the command is CapsLock-f. It's presumably insert-F in desktop keyboard layout. This command will read the current font information and the style of the text under the cursor. This includes the paragraph style, e.g., a heading style. From burt1iband@gmail.com Mon Dec 14 20:55:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3D27694A for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:55:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nuyMGYLgTOZ1 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f50.google.com (mail-oi0-f50.google.com [209.85.218.50]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F1E762C4 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:55:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oiao124 with SMTP id o124so9024954oia.1 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:55:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=LbschPXhZrf7Ji7NrQb32y0jRwofGXfur6mMZwGoM/k=; b=Q9Z10lK/r9JbmxIfEv1+spRePR1DQCQ8PTCgVckDwlXOwHTv5hQCGxAeK+G1GG063o 8HcLthbqFuO1TNOeF6huElRnz7S6rrQ5Qc+TTbEABnZ2HHh2zbBQ4Eu0T/tfoF6is2TX 3lmSMLW6c9T8RfNk66Jn4xld4IxC/k3zaAE9f1OWyUc+Gfzn+uiQ3uNke1Lk18yg7HMm FZ2blU4kusip6oKCfD9SXGmCO8KHbD94aSs2ZuHic6X51qP0Vp+EGKzaDpDG6TopilLo PsmSF+okJdoRReNyRp7IPmtCmsFgnHp1EJ1BkqAdbJaFna6JLD8QT8XYvvY6t6/livsE fq/Q== X-Received: by 10.202.206.130 with SMTP id e124mr25564900oig.132.1450126516942; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:55:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.79.244]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n205sm5617753oia.4.2015.12.14.12.55.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:55:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:51:39 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: engelsiz android , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151214205139.GB2178@gmail.com> References: <566F21EE.4040305@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] about libra office and skype using by orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:55:20 -0000 What add on script are you talking about? If you refer to the script I mention for installing the accessability stuff you need for skype on a 64bit arch-linux based system then you just run a script once and everything is done. It is nothing like a jaws script, does nothing to orc itself, just automates the downloaing and copying of a file, checks to make sure the more standard accessability stuff is installed as well. There are ways to script and customize orca behavior, but I was not at all referring to anything like this. There are a couple of commandline programs that give skype access as well which allow avoiding the main skype interface altogether for most things. They allow typing commands instead of looking through menus to interact with skype, but the main skype program must be installed and running. They are just external helpers that you must allow access from skype's main interface itself. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 engelsiz android wrote: Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:45:25PM +0200 > How can I apply this add-ons scripts(qt) with orca? > And Has orca screen reader script manager as a jaws for windows > > 2015-12-14 22:25 GMT+02:00, engelsiz android : > > Hello > > I am using a skype with ubuntu 64 bit . > > > > 2015-12-14 22:09 GMT+02:00, B.Henry : > >> you must have the 32bit qt-at-spi package installed > >> if running 64bit OS. Just installilng that package will work on debian > >> based distros. > >> On arch you must copy a file in to place from the 32bit package. > >> If you are using arch, or a manjaro based distro such as F123, please > >> write and I'll send you a script that will download and install this for > >> you. > >> To be clear, you need both 32 and 64bit qt-at-spi, but you will not > >> normally have the 32bit bits you need on a 64bit installation of Llinux > >> just by installing qt-at-spi. > >> Skype works fine in most respects after you do this. Chat messages are > >> clumsey to read, and answering calls may not be as easy as one would > >> like. > >> > >> > >> B.H. > >> Registerd Linux User 521886 > >> > >> On 14/12/15 02:01 PM, engelsiz android wrote: > >>> Hello > >>> Skype linux version is not accesible with orca. Main screen and > >>> installation screens is not anounce to us anything by orca. > >>> And seccond thing > >>> In libra office writter the orca can not anounce to us headings and > >>> other styles. > >>> Best reguards. > >>> Sarper ARIKAN-Blindness and asistive technologies trainer > >>> Mediterrian University/asistive technologies and informations department > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> orca-list mailing list > >>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: > >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Akdeniz Üniversitesi Merkez Kütüphane Ve Dok. DB. Girişi Engelli > > Destek BirimiGörme Engelliler Salonu sorumlusu(Eğitmen) ve Engelsiz > > erişim derneği üyesi: > > Sarper Arıkan > > Tel: 0242 310 17 12 > > Cep: 0553 370 67 14 > > Web: http://gesek.akdeniz.edu.tr > > > > > -- > > > > Akdeniz Üniversitesi Merkez Kütüphane Ve Dok. DB. Girişi Engelli > Destek BirimiGörme Engelliler Salonu sorumlusu(Eğitmen) ve Engelsiz > erişim derneği üyesi: > Sarper Arıkan > Tel: 0242 310 17 12 > Cep: 0553 370 67 14 > Web: http://gesek.akdeniz.edu.tr From chrys87@web.de Mon Dec 14 22:50:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B762A7694A for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:50:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id coVgS0rXjfuc for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.17.11]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53BE762C4 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:50:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.29] ([185.17.206.93]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MC1nQ-1ZzqVV0uHY-008oQN; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 23:50:33 +0100 To: David Hunt , orca-list@gnome.org References: <566DD2B8.7090900@web.de> <566E58D6.4030708@posteo.de> <566F1284.5070205@web.de> <566F1918.2040406@posteo.de> From: chrys87 Message-ID: <566F47B8.5090604@web.de> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 23:50:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <566F1918.2040406@posteo.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:HI17qYWN3qipcPLq3EWt2N29eJnsqNSCmXoUQhUWQ+xdW8ph+F8 6Wyzw2EJPJLqW+M1+GBbI7K7ax1F37OIfjbEYDWbtyI4BJZ4OFXED8C7hpb36REw2C0oucF Kkep1XZJb8fAdhFO6drxZ3Ro6VfeXsyf+9YXB02Oh6Y1h8TGu3G9e7sCqeN8C/q2ldycK+R W+vW3Igw2L1szePB7vgxw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:miUu+D4pt2E=:cJYeDAcV6gkW+bPJjYsbRZ fRQT1eavAOFQMwvXPpA0QRTFw4GHe0jHUzCru7BjhBJz8/Ge2M6wVBcA+hguE5sdP+GNyRtsj 2rxlLEmLNtTBH6M0g26Fxxtm8pVYs2THJg4lVgjy6/RA27yK/a6Ra7XfJwl1AK2K5MNPSDHLF B6qJrg6QzGt7hNSmNk3BoPTG3sCpPq3oKRqk3S6WTRXXVwRqvme+Sngekgw6RM2fg1OwkXzip WLYgCE+K2fI3y2kEU4tJ/bBZGsiiB3SwVXz+WyPkWOzH3ZKgZMZiYG6KPZAVocbZwjn4cAyKK mzWhb4A+B/8cNCQIkzgD+m8fPBLcX1wYmiRdsGKkUUZnA3eralxIaABQDtHwJWN0O93byxABa OTLwXumD7o4otXmiKJRDcpXpCOSLzrj6gICtIpJik9G+iTH4WsP2MxV7PKaIb8DYFI6qJtdpZ Lvr5wkazVDmvAOFxig2eWT0hGjBwJTXgYh3fLitYSjwOq8K6K1bCkEQLKOOyIffmL5ow9KkNF /gL5k8sS0srXXUSUmrKm176GitEaXId440djQ3Ke2bBlY7iymbUS6xxV54R6S5kMw/1uCTLsM mEzjGS8nPp2c1PNvVHZhjksxDTj468LmMXDwUbMFjQ5ZGtpVZYFMFcSpxBVkYAzPTn+rQY61I mkTeOv/1nXQpA6/tLpRGd2+QEf/UcaZsT5YK2LlOg74l/UdkqHyRxN3admqjI+bJIEQDEC54G alm0jAZAnP5j3YqWr/fbJewEUGo7BRAoQDs2o1wfM84kNCT9NP4vmGOvLu7sIDHwIkz5bHRTd oBoFEbe Subject: Re: [orca-list] Initial sound icons implemented into orca, testers and feedback wanted X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:50:35 -0000 Hi David, I cant reproduce this. saves the values nicely. Maybe fixed it after i wrote my message. could you please reclone the git and move your settings folder away? does this solve your problem? cheers chrys Am 14.12.2015 um 20:31 schrieb David Hunt: > Thanks for adding the sounds tab; not sure whether this will become > part of the new ui design. > > When adjusting the sound volume via the new spinner and saving > preferences, the new value is not retained. To reproduce, visit the > new tab in preferences, and change the sound volume to something > larger than the default, then hit 'ok. Expected result: louder > sounds and the new value set. > > Actual result: sounds are at default volume and value is unchanged > from default. > > > Cheers, > > > Dave > > > > > On 12/14/2015 02:03 PM, chrys87 wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> >> I like to inform you that now there is a "sound" tab. >> For now you can >> >> enable disable sound overall >> change the volume >> enable/disable sound icons. From sarperarikan@gmail.com Tue Dec 15 07:59:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B6276A62 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:59:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SgYIJ4aDJcpt for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:59:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f182.google.com (mail-ig0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38D1763D7 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:59:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f182.google.com with SMTP id mv3so98377048igc.0 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 23:59:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TpVKZCDv+u9o50ZNf613F4W9ehDsAPO7Abn0nrgDqR8=; b=FIgrU1yya6w5yHJ6x+5ZMmb6jcex4DMGmD+2NakFKg8dAyIgpOCr7Z0SGzgcXFh4ZL BRPnZV+bmwNl5LwQBqbdP2+XM8Pg1+L1O5ny3nMKU2aJy9sZO9Lot52eATZbmekZcgf7 3IE032f7ob+W+6s329pc+N3nlWOyADGNWU3lqR5ifjsDkMl/ScLC6rxdBNKbHnxPnxQM cwUrgdHTFs639PrKKkn7b6EZIM7U1slRHL7mM2I2Raa1QDNP1pxxMpb3nISdCx+fpThv by/Km4KcxhfDfmbZuhHX+4R/Or0GowklIdt2AU4YGWkv+yFIruB6tU1ROZhByar4aE0A pXHg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.138.136 with SMTP id qq8mr2521636igb.68.1450166379181; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 23:59:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.223.114 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 23:59:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:59:38 +0200 Message-ID: From: engelsiz android To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: [orca-list] About team talk using X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:59:39 -0000 Hello Is anybody use bareware team talk with orca? How can I install and use it? Sarper ARIKAN-Blindness and asistive technologies trainer > Mediterrian University/asistive technologies and informations department > From pvdeejay@gmail.com Tue Dec 15 10:07:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1567F768B9 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:07:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FvvHP-nA-8qW for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f41.google.com (mail-wm0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE4D7635B for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f41.google.com with SMTP id p66so17512090wmp.1 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 02:07:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=38kNnFds8FCrSlhc2z9U9gk7anR/Qe3/Yp9J8fIzz/Q=; b=l/u2MhGhZIP7SKRPjoekY+XBJ8r80J2Nmu/e+oqKse6CWuqIKP7lpUyJvWsy8yHpGc i0byF0BwhrVVtHd+im/LnrYe7923R7xT6jEuu8zx4N5bqWb1CLtRY1vjtq4A4r31FT30 dq66F7wbnNIU8k6oiOg/EGylLL7raqJ40KZER255U/jHdCUfxO+0KgQqUIP9GCYydJJ4 cWux16wMCBpzxp0iG23BnkpEflBgvhfw/bliDn440NBDBG0XS4lXU2IKk99dTk+k8X2/ C7XqaaWch1uyC71kUxIOupVFN3XBUk6NTvQWrAW9DNfkBtLK3ibTAQiCm703FZPgVYm3 c5dg== X-Received: by 10.194.246.132 with SMTP id xw4mr44099422wjc.75.1450174025020; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 02:07:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.8.24] (ab25.webra.bb.cust.gts.sk. [62.168.109.217]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id u205sm2089460wmb.12.2015.12.15.02.07.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Dec 2015 02:07:03 -0800 (PST) To: engelsiz android , orca-list@gnome.org References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <566FE646.7070406@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 11:07:02 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] About team talk using X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:07:08 -0000 Hello, I think teamtalk is not in the debian or ubuntu repositories so in order to use it you can download the debian package from the site, unpack it to your folder of choice e.g. ~/teamtalk or /opt/teamtalk . You can then just run run.sh script from within the place where you have extracted it to. You should download either i386 or x64 debian package (depending on your architecture) from team talk downloads page. http://bearware.dk/?page_id=353 In order to get the most out of its accessibility you do have to have qt-at-spi installed. You can install that by using your package manager of choice e.g. apt-get, aptitude, synaptic etc, it's available in debian and ubuntu repositories. Greetings Peter On 15.12.2015 at 08:59 engelsiz android wrote: > Hello > Is anybody use bareware team talk with orca? > How can I install and use it? > Sarper ARIKAN-Blindness and asistive technologies trainer >> Mediterrian University/asistive technologies and informations department >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Tue Dec 15 12:13:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878A576A9E for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:13:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.364 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.364 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.347, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kRV-_bOyU-oI for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo80.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo80.poczta.onet.pl [141.105.16.30]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA4776A0A for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.137.41] (eckum-ach-cyfr.up.krakow.pl [195.150.226.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 3pKdlw6bFkzDQy6rh for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:13:32 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1450181612; bh=G71Gq5+qfh59wwou/N5phKhPRIkFBdtKuMh1AVObA9I=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=q6irA5jBdnqzJy4+S4G8aAxFhZagdZvv/xHZh1ObxGcj9fV5H75IOXm8BobGgpsZW 5HdKHjWWrZsxCXwK74qPUgwdLMxMyqHVZ+d4VCw7yJOWcdFs+FIBoW9hHj9KyzhLC3 HMcZ1NudOJcFdd9Hpj6AlS+G9v6EUCsOBd0UVmNU= To: orca-list@gnome.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= Message-ID: <567003F1.7060002@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:13:37 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] tunnelbroker X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:13:41 -0000 Hello. I noticed that, after logging into he.net tunnelbroker, the page is extremely, extremely, extremelty, incredibly slow on my computer. that is reaction to a key after few minutes. can anyone confirm? From pvdeejay@gmail.com Tue Dec 15 15:38:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A35768B1 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:38:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bEVP5vdR5-g8 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f49.google.com (mail-wm0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5E17676C for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f49.google.com with SMTP id p66so116072072wmp.1 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:38:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=q3EJa6d1FJPVJ3cYC/N/C8HPNwjnl46c49HjW1t8w7g=; b=XwpOPZmEP3b729S7vN88nraQPlqqXWYV8fr6RtUvC4jQQOcAjLU+S9rKiiJUBojzK3 D6w/2DX88yxzTbyzkn55NZOcITcFJS+mrTJEIfIIEuIKfsbl0QXv2BFKWP/9WCwdaIB9 Nlt70/vNR+8H03TegU3L41RW/3JRjgJdj+JTjQdCYNwt7NvGkgOGuQywapOsoQzuvcgO yFFSQvd72GL7/5Gke9jewazafNBZdCnEFCwfkIJoYd9GYWrxc9Z8uXUpG4q5egFI+vQ3 Lri7j3ce5BpjM6UqiIZ8W3A0w8QEnNOHTllxuw8Me+DfnlVhVIqn+JuJyVwjrD3GZmon MRhw== X-Received: by 10.194.92.229 with SMTP id cp5mr45509101wjb.163.1450193901071; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:38:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.164] ([81.161.61.153]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id c4sm1890204wjs.36.2015.12.15.07.38.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:38:18 -0800 (PST) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= , orca-list@gnome.org References: <567003F1.7060002@poczta.onet.pl> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <567033E9.7050400@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:38:17 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <567003F1.7060002@poczta.onet.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] tunnelbroker X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:38:25 -0000 Hello, Unfortunatelly I can't confirm this. I do have an existing HE ipv6 tunnel. I can log into tunnelbroker.net, I can view my tunnel details and all other things. Perhaps a fact worth noting is that there is a tab control on the site you can use to switch from IPV6 Tunnel, to Example configurations and Advanced. As long as you tab into this widget orca switches into focus mode and you can move from one to the other tabs by using left / right arrow keys. Other than this desktop like behaviour which I guess is rather a feature not a bug there is nothing unusual to report on this site. Registering at the tunnelbroker.net is free however if we will identify a possible problem later on, I can share my user details if such a need arises and it may help. I'm running Arch linux with Gnome 3.18, Firefox 42, Orca master 137994a Greetings Peter On 15.12.2015 at 13:13 Michał Zegan wrote: > Hello. > > I noticed that, after logging into he.net tunnelbroker, the page is > extremely, extremely, extremelty, incredibly slow on my computer. that > is reaction to a key after few minutes. can anyone confirm? > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From john@johnheim.net Tue Dec 15 15:44:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D44E768B1 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:44:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kyZW3gLhIBHO for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f170.google.com (mail-io0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A57E7676C for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 186so23947415iow.0 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:44:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=johnheim-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UIYSP1OmsIXLhXMtjCsBX4HXCtmLqSdWneRuFqQF12o=; b=bEpYsWUyS+ICKh+7pZWQASihk8UwICrQJtOwvdbXBs3M3Cj5hPJMFuW3IAaWH3Znm0 sRVsPqPo05DL8VBWx0184ZsDjVFaSlPdJ4vi656GjhT2ulfw806SBPafzVkTu58jKVFI q1cpHlYjD8JjiRKDor/Qqjq3y/7eqSs+pVC3a5mQu+o/QxfPW9QkLoc8e7MMgLXFZMJ+ LSkxLvw8kK/vhyjVltw7r1pDE5Y/sPqmjDxhqQnJa4ox30vPrAqmjrbNjTbWUexwywVy Saj3uKQhkcZnAds/QzlQ771c0zqE1r78KrMxmFMK3Bdo9TRDznoOZOLo1PB+43tTTOY9 52yw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UIYSP1OmsIXLhXMtjCsBX4HXCtmLqSdWneRuFqQF12o=; b=YZ5P/adUVPxK7V5dkV+sxkw5Cq988iJSE1QzzSBTySlelgAqnLTPH2WBT8AxVKYrPJ qHsopCgFRbUnelU+w262WungfJY9U19mpXfcupo3zxnFnn6UYeGAwRgPtkRwLUDJDT7m AilCjYO547QJ1VLdbKE5Rk5wO6AVAV0BV6af/vKt8e2ip/08oOfsKbvJq80/lX+VFRu0 OJf9CXk9NkYbWHVmQQ0dRE1fyovMM6rh07wouMUHwpLaWcBG0be4QWlcVuZmoqQz+uYb Elcy8KbscoCchMil8UFIT7zOExdBcud8CH4jwfDGXwLRxh+jVPdyg2xq4iS2ukaG7NJv XP/A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlRFeR9leurTrPTfjY9lT7Lsohyum3ASK+TLwQ2TtsuVh6NtuIRgnCwzepMp/4Dl5+sX1g17mNaGmn7Wa90yeDa4hbpWg== X-Received: by 10.107.162.21 with SMTP id l21mr33762704ioe.123.1450194284083; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:44:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [144.92.166.19] (vv507j.math.wisc.edu. [144.92.166.19]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id a191sm1243515ioe.7.2015.12.15.07.44.43 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:44:43 -0800 (PST) To: orca From: John Heim Message-ID: <5670356A.10000@johnheim.net> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:44:42 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] no sound in lightdm X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:44:44 -0000 I am doing an auto-install of ubuntu wily and I can't get the screen reader to work at the login screen. But I think it's that sound isn't working at all at the login screen. I don't hear the ubuntu drum beat. It could be that the volume is turned down because I hear that little popping noise you hear when sound is enabled. Does orca on the login screen use pulse? I know how to reconfigure my own orca settings but how do I do that for the lightdm greater? -- John Heim john@johnheim.com From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Tue Dec 15 16:39:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031E8769B7 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:39:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A-0FiMJ2ek7J for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:39:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo74.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo74.poczta.onet.pl [141.105.16.24]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0440762C5 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.18.1.104] (unknown [149.156.24.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 3pKlgQ1khxz1XNGW3 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:40:01 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <567003F1.7060002@poczta.onet.pl> <567033E9.7050400@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= Message-ID: <56704229.3050200@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:39:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <567033E9.7050400@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] tunnelbroker X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:39:11 -0000 Just downloaded the newest orca master, and went to tunnelbroker.net. I was logged in so I went directly at the main menu with the same result, like an enormous lag. It happens for this page, does not happen for epiphany on this page, I also have archlinux with newest ff, at least newest from repos. W dniu 15.12.2015 o 16:38, Peter Vágner pisze: > Hello, > > Unfortunatelly I can't confirm this. > I do have an existing HE ipv6 tunnel. I can log into tunnelbroker.net, > I can view my tunnel details and all other things. > Perhaps a fact worth noting is that there is a tab control on the site > you can use to switch from IPV6 Tunnel, to Example configurations and > Advanced. As long as you tab into this widget orca switches into focus > mode and you can move from one to the other tabs by using left / right > arrow keys. > > Other than this desktop like behaviour which I guess is rather a > feature not a bug there is nothing unusual to report on this site. > > Registering at the tunnelbroker.net is free however if we will > identify a possible problem later on, I can share my user details if > such a need arises and it may help. > > I'm running Arch linux with Gnome 3.18, Firefox 42, Orca master 137994a > > Greetings > > Peter > > On 15.12.2015 at 13:13 Michał Zegan wrote: >> Hello. >> >> I noticed that, after logging into he.net tunnelbroker, the page is >> extremely, extremely, extremelty, incredibly slow on my computer. >> that is reaction to a key after few minutes. can anyone confirm? >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Dec 15 16:45:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CCE769B7 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:45:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c47ZhqmSP6aq for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9284769DD for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.12.168] by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim) id 1a8sjX-0002fH-DL; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:45:51 +0100 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= References: <567003F1.7060002@poczta.onet.pl> <567033E9.7050400@gmail.com> <56704229.3050200@poczta.onet.pl> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <567043BF.6090001@igalia.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:45:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56704229.3050200@poczta.onet.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] tunnelbroker X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:45:53 -0000 Hi Michał. Anything interesting in your debug.out? --joanie On 12/15/2015 05:39 PM, Michał Zegan wrote: > Just downloaded the newest orca master, and went to tunnelbroker.net. > I was logged in so I went directly at the main menu with the same > result, like an enormous lag. It happens for this page, does not happen > for epiphany on this page, I also have archlinux with newest ff, at > least newest from repos. > > W dniu 15.12.2015 o 16:38, Peter Vágner pisze: >> Hello, >> >> Unfortunatelly I can't confirm this. >> I do have an existing HE ipv6 tunnel. I can log into tunnelbroker.net, >> I can view my tunnel details and all other things. >> Perhaps a fact worth noting is that there is a tab control on the site >> you can use to switch from IPV6 Tunnel, to Example configurations and >> Advanced. As long as you tab into this widget orca switches into focus >> mode and you can move from one to the other tabs by using left / right >> arrow keys. >> >> Other than this desktop like behaviour which I guess is rather a >> feature not a bug there is nothing unusual to report on this site. >> >> Registering at the tunnelbroker.net is free however if we will >> identify a possible problem later on, I can share my user details if >> such a need arises and it may help. >> >> I'm running Arch linux with Gnome 3.18, Firefox 42, Orca master 137994a >> >> Greetings >> >> Peter >> >> On 15.12.2015 at 13:13 Michał Zegan wrote: >>> Hello. >>> >>> I noticed that, after logging into he.net tunnelbroker, the page is >>> extremely, extremely, extremelty, incredibly slow on my computer. >>> that is reaction to a key after few minutes. can anyone confirm? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: >>> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From coffeekingms@gmail.com Tue Dec 15 16:58:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7361768B1 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rsHVMYB34VfO for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f46.google.com (mail-oi0-f46.google.com [209.85.218.46]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D9D762C5 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f46.google.com with SMTP id o62so3864426oif.3 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 08:58:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cZaqzBe7ZA/gKiEIhiKkHNFbIoOdrWJC9dCIa1J/f+M=; b=LbmDwSRrFHJQdJitffMuNZc7lESMp7yMyJ06k7pQxUtj+2oNVfixzcR3tX12Td6ewR x0kLRcH3f9+XzsFbeaTBUToSFQhgsyti3wB5LZSe7bQqbJnfkdhm4QlIxbZG1BKDfPwt eRUefHtGD9q/0fXyGxgBSYOaIX/2ANwJhAuJOQ4yp6NMSu7OqQRSL3ULKmMLvJi/7R7a c5P3cl3sajAybIYMod5467uIg3ZYBU8ccSmgPC+6sV12aEPA0MfiMVmR60/1Qysr6yNa AW395bNRm/6qf3cbTd/ZOrYyhGYQ3TDScFMu+QTYTNFc1qSxkW16YkbYK4jNd4JYsXmf f+bg== X-Received: by 10.202.181.3 with SMTP id e3mr26890250oif.67.1450198703315; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 08:58:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (74-196-119-242.mnolcmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net. [74.196.119.242]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 133sm743418oid.5.2015.12.15.08.58.22 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Dec 2015 08:58:22 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: kendell clark Message-ID: <567046AD.6000709@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:58:22 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] OT, espeak has been forked X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:23 -0000 hi all As some of you may or may not know, about a week or two ago, espeak was forked into a new project, called espeak-ng, for next generation. Reece dunn, the developer of espeak for android, has done this primarily because multiple people have tried reaching jonathan duddington, the main developer and have failed. Some have gone so far as to get his address in the UK, and his phone number, both of which no longer work. The conclusion is either that he is dead or no longer active, so espeak was forked. I'm writing this mainly because it looks like the upstream espeak from which espeak ng was forked from might not see much development. There have already been a ton of changes done to espeak ng that aren't in espeak, including the complete removal of espeak edit, the gui program needed to compile the phoneme data. This has been murged into the espeak program itself, so you can now do espeak --compile-phonemes and espeak --compile-intonations instead of having to use a clunky gui that has never been accessible on linux. A QT gui is planned that will make it easier to manage this stuff but it hasn't been written. I'm also wondering if we should switch over to this fork? And by we I mean all the major linux distributions. Ubuntu, vinux, sonar, arch, fedora, etc? I've already got reece dunn merging my fixes into espeak periodically, just like he does with the italian fixes, and jamie and mic from nvda have already switched over or are planning to. Espeak ng should work out of the box with speech-dispatcher as far as I know. I've not successfully built it yet, because it's still wildly in a state of flux, but it should work. We might need to modify the espeak speech-dispatcher module but I doubt it. Honestly that module needs an overhall anyway, but it isn't necessary I don't believe, since the espeak API hasn't changed much, only been added to to allow the compilation of phonemes and intonation data. The only thing that might, maybe, be necessary is a tweak to say espeak (next generation) or something to differentiate it from espeak. The main differences between espeak and espeak ng are probably not of much interest to most people, other than that you can now do the standard ./configure, make, make install steps to compile it, which the upstream espeak couldn't do. THoughts? Kendell clark From pvdeejay@gmail.com Tue Dec 15 17:48:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FFA7632A for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:48:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LumFAnaAMQHE for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f54.google.com (mail-wm0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54122769DD for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n186so176291080wmn.1 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:48:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5hWZy2d+1sYU2+DfK/7SfP54UNhrxldhmZXf685afrU=; b=HejeJH7LH0DQkISw4qoWz89Yb0+wB/UAmNFrQNSvMFXRI49TGw0eJA9VsUU/yGG1L6 usZ0AUNLnZYMB7Z0LjPRbZoBPABhhnFRsepNuzRAVzs3M609dTdlNw/EFtIuIuTJunqj F7hB2i5OmLu7ZQU4wcIlH5n4+FAXNrpPoCAPrnCJzjz+jbvN58Q8W0s3m0+Z/BnH3t0o R3DD5xXbqeARkLg7ocBYYGf60G+wT/ddpJ2HS1zf8L+l0lWdjS+d1RMPZkYNQMBJ/i8d rQu0VCJYWsmK/sLvEe1Itg8TBExaIEmQvv/8843W9POhwQSMi0MbPNAYabEAVsVmIYKP l6ng== X-Received: by 10.194.242.195 with SMTP id ws3mr45283862wjc.131.1450201703515; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.164] ([81.161.61.153]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id k7sm3817604wmf.2.2015.12.15.09.48.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:48:20 -0800 (PST) To: kendell clark , orca-list@gnome.org References: <567046AD.6000709@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Peter_V=c3=a1gner?= Message-ID: <56705263.4010806@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:48:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <567046AD.6000709@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] OT, espeak has been forked X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:48:24 -0000 Hello, I would say let's people pick what they like. I still hope Jonathan Duddinkton will be able to merge some of the fixes to the original eSpeak at a later time. I am sure there is significant number of improvements already. e.g. there are loads of coverity and memory management related fixes, language data updates i.e. pronounciation dictionaries phonemes and more for american english, italian, french and perhaps even more, the additional language data for russian, cantonese and mandarin are bundled with eSpeak by default now, there are also build system related tweaks and cosmetic fixes. Big feature that's being implemented is better SSML support which will recognize many more SSML tags and compilation of language data as you have already pointed out. For the people happy to live on the bleeding edge like you and me and perhaps a few others this is great deal of changes. It is however nice to point out that not all of these changes are brand new. Auto tools support has been already introduced years ago and it has not been accepted into so called upstream eSpeak released by Jonathan Duddington. I think we need to wait until eSpeak NG evolves a bit more. Still I would say if you like eSpeak and you can build it then test it out and submit your tweaks, bug reports whatever you have to say. Greetings Peter On 15.12.2015 at 17:58 kendell clark wrote: > hi all > As some of you may or may not know, about a week or two ago, espeak > was forked into a new project, called espeak-ng, for next generation. > Reece dunn, the developer of espeak for android, has done this > primarily because multiple people have tried reaching jonathan > duddington, the main developer and have failed. Some have gone so far > as to get his address in the UK, and his phone number, both of which > no longer work. The conclusion is either that he is dead or no longer > active, so espeak was forked. I'm writing this mainly because it looks > like the upstream espeak from which espeak ng was forked from might > not see much development. There have already been a ton of changes > done to espeak ng that aren't in espeak, including the complete > removal of espeak edit, the gui program needed to compile the phoneme > data. This has been murged into the espeak program itself, so you can > now do espeak --compile-phonemes and espeak --compile-intonations > instead of having to use a clunky gui that has never been accessible > on linux. A QT gui is planned that will make it easier to manage this > stuff but it hasn't been written. I'm also wondering if we should > switch over to this fork? And by we I mean all the major linux > distributions. Ubuntu, vinux, sonar, arch, fedora, etc? I've already > got reece dunn merging my fixes into espeak periodically, just like he > does with the italian fixes, and jamie and mic from nvda have already > switched over or are planning to. > Espeak ng should work out of the box with speech-dispatcher as far as > I know. I've not successfully built it yet, because it's still wildly > in a state of flux, but it should work. We might need to modify the > espeak speech-dispatcher module but I doubt it. Honestly that module > needs an overhall anyway, but it isn't necessary I don't believe, > since the espeak API hasn't changed much, only been added to to allow > the compilation of phonemes and intonation data. The only thing that > might, maybe, be necessary is a tweak to say espeak (next generation) > or something to differentiate it from espeak. The main differences > between espeak and espeak ng are probably not of much interest to most > people, other than that you can now do the standard ./configure, make, > make install steps to compile it, which the upstream espeak couldn't do. > THoughts? > > Kendell clark > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From nalin.x.linux@gmail.com Tue Dec 15 21:24:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047AA768B1 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:24:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oCdYKbvtnR4h for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f50.google.com (mail-qg0-f50.google.com [209.85.192.50]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E8E7656E for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id i91so11194215qgf.2 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:24:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5rG7S+0gHMWPcIQU1pMHVczRv+Kq6eooR+t35WWig6o=; b=JiJUDzhmbTFXP8Tb0sKH8ui5Pt6BqQslBPp+H2Tuh21mPKcakzJ+aN/zFloxqfua/6 peVc2x4OI4uU6aNSbTMYhsIHqtCCs6dzBsuvylaxHqK8UVijPKhwZqKQ1q/32IGpzUMd 5I/7KRH2wEf1wQX7KRd8QtltN91b9qcXLrkyndiGtePIaYoaIy8rFnQQ7IMkqtbyjRkL DQmwP93AKPys251sYjRNX6rLrE4vzs/ubfX9e/Ad8oVM5HTRb6RnmOAacBJ45mC+Po0W +WLwGt9ouAf8o7MVeKYnoQz6s5NgCj0DTU1QKlacipvs+DN0+Zve2DHXchZQmI/g7X3M Wz0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.141.7.69 with SMTP id j66mr50001002qhd.2.1450214685020; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:24:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.29.164 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:24:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:54:44 +0530 Message-ID: From: "Nalin.x.Linux" To: Orca List , malayalamcomputingscert@googlegroups.com, Discussion list of Swathanthra Malayalam Computing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: [orca-list] Linux-Intelligent-Ocr-Solution 2.0 Development Regarding X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:24:45 -0000 Dear list members, Two months before we started developing a new version of lios(2.0). The new version requires a detailed testing so here we invite all of interested members to lios development group. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lios The latest deb package testing deb package can be downloaded after sign up. lios source code : https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/ For those who do not know about lios please read following brief introduction. Lios is a free and open source software for converting print in to text using either scanner or a camera, It can also produce text out of scanned images from other sources such as Pdf, Image, Folder containing Images or screenshot. Program is given total accessibility for visually impaired. Lios is written in python3, and we release it under GPL-3 license. There are great many possibilities for this program, Feedback is the key to it, Expecting your feedback Nalin.x.Linux@gmail.com Features. 1. Import images from Scanner, PDFs, Folder, or Webcam, 2. Take and Recognize Screenshot, 3. Recognize Selected Areas(Rectangle selection), 4. Support two OCR Engines (Cuneiform,Tesseract), 5. 24 Language support (Given at the end), 30 more languages can be installed in Tesseract, 6. Full Auto Rotation for any Language(If aspell installed for the language, Eg : "sudo apt-get install aspell-hi" for Hindi, 7. Side by side view of image and output 8. Advanced Scanner Brightness optimizer, 9. Text Reader for low vision with Highlighting, With user selected Color, Font, and Background Color, 10. Audio converter(espeak), 11. Spell-checker(aspell), 12. Export as pdf (text/images), 13. Dictionary Support for English(Artha) 14. Options for save, load and reset settings, 15. Other options - Find, Find-and-Replace, Go-To-Page, Go-To-Line, Append file, Punch File, Selection of starting page number, page numbering mode and number of pages to scan, Selection of Scan area, brightness, resolution and time between repeated scanning, Output Insert position, image rotation and zoom options, etc -- Free Software Free Society From coffeekingms@gmail.com Tue Dec 15 21:31:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A21768B1 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:31:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YdFg61w8yXao for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAA27656E for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id no2so17481489obc.3 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:31:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iVJwcV5vtPbznEwAdPjHMHvMOfh6MgvQ0hSjckPeJ4U=; b=MYKkuSPUkvtV7lzRO6jvHOTY6/v0jM3nTt7PbkdowYLxwba7GN2jcgMEBQDot/cypT o4e9q4ROCZLvS7sw7CEvGPKZ8A3L/WePACSIqR4K2BN9EID8R3H+q1TXFUDJ2iWQet8q dHnLl1mRhi/u1l6zPv3uvTJXx5WKu4bI3VFOrrTOcidH9+U+JDbWIMPXmVAMGVGMZKE3 mw927TeKzy5998OgBoKJ3SZcCA/E2LYJZACmaEeKpjYoz9q7HgU9YG4br79ov6GwtChc cf3LwNRA3S8Y3PzmTJz3bsw6HXUFmMCsi2ZXKlViRtRSWbOGSecuJ6W4Y3gy9dAM8B9G wRwQ== X-Received: by 10.182.125.38 with SMTP id mn6mr31844725obb.17.1450215060423; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (74-196-119-242.mnolcmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net. [74.196.119.242]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i8sm1228720obt.3.2015.12.15.13.30.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:30:59 -0800 (PST) To: "Nalin.x.Linux" , Orca List , malayalamcomputingscert@googlegroups.com, Discussion list of Swathanthra Malayalam Computing References: From: kendell clark Message-ID: <56708692.6080603@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:30:58 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Linux-Intelligent-Ocr-Solution 2.0 Development Regarding X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:31:00 -0000 hi This sounds great. I'll see if I can't get this added to the manjaro repositories so people can choose between lios and ocrdesktop Thanks Kendell clark On 12/15/2015 03:24 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote: > Dear list members, > Two months before we started developing a new version of > lios(2.0). The new version requires a detailed testing so here we > invite all of interested members to lios development group. > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lios > The latest deb package testing deb package can be downloaded after sign up. > lios source code : https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/ > > For those who do not know about lios please read following brief introduction. > > Lios is a free and open source software for converting print in to > text using either scanner or a camera, It can also produce text out of > scanned images from other sources such as Pdf, Image, Folder > containing Images or screenshot. Program is given total accessibility > for visually impaired. Lios is written in python3, and we release it > under GPL-3 license. There are great many possibilities for this > program, Feedback is the key to it, Expecting your feedback > Nalin.x.Linux@gmail.com > > Features. > > 1. Import images from Scanner, PDFs, Folder, or Webcam, > 2. Take and Recognize Screenshot, > 3. Recognize Selected Areas(Rectangle selection), > 4. Support two OCR Engines (Cuneiform,Tesseract), > 5. 24 Language support (Given at the end), 30 more languages can be > installed in Tesseract, > 6. Full Auto Rotation for any Language(If aspell installed for the > language, Eg : "sudo apt-get install aspell-hi" for Hindi, > 7. Side by side view of image and output > 8. Advanced Scanner Brightness optimizer, > 9. Text Reader for low vision with Highlighting, With user selected > Color, Font, and Background Color, > 10. Audio converter(espeak), > 11. Spell-checker(aspell), > 12. Export as pdf (text/images), > 13. Dictionary Support for English(Artha) > 14. Options for save, load and reset settings, > 15. Other options - Find, Find-and-Replace, Go-To-Page, Go-To-Line, > Append file, Punch File, > Selection of starting page number, page numbering mode and number of > pages to scan, > Selection of Scan area, brightness, resolution and time between > repeated scanning, > Output Insert position, image rotation and zoom options, etc > From coffeekingms@gmail.com Tue Dec 15 21:32:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAD0768B1 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:32:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1cOa4I3q98RD for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f45.google.com (mail-oi0-f45.google.com [209.85.218.45]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3DE7656E for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f45.google.com with SMTP id o124so13235200oia.1 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:32:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:to:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=e3Tn0K8cB5BlPzY0BGHt6DoHqxQE5ZNnInWDPmJ+xxE=; b=THHLc5CUIw34y8ZsfzIlngE8aNTHN4kBwWUAZeJFjds0A9g6X37Xog2/mMWlZ1FXX5 oIeB+gGNOgXRI9WbEDq74mgS3Azubz+Nt9kFPze47AY6mR7dSYpY7Rpp3RTTMz0Z34UM jjUjqED/6XWUhGHRHkRb7m09ZHvAWIJHoEZu93Mr1z2pE4We9ZOkxD26aHiSncsMLrox 2STLf3zRTeIK7msRtSbpQ25rtcSZ2d2aFSBQ8VCRdxPrGWxGo0IcvOH4Y8TGg1rFCPAF aIorv5Ppdg1n0cB8k6tED8JjRZA4kTzvyirGwJeJpsUNayrKhfCfcqPbFVXrxCKyLvae rJdw== X-Received: by 10.202.196.10 with SMTP id u10mr15341455oif.91.1450215164830; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([74.196.119.242]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c185sm1221903oih.15.2015.12.15.13.32.44 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:32:44 -0800 (PST) References: To: Orca List From: kendell clark Message-ID: <567086FB.1000400@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:32:43 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Linux-Intelligent-Ocr-Solution 2.0 Development Regarding X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:32:45 -0000 lets try this again, lol. Serves me right for hitting reply to all when there are three or four mailing lists involved, lol hi This sounds great. I'll see about getting this added to the manjaro repositories, so people can choose between ocrdesktop and lios. Thanks Kendell clark On 12/15/2015 03:24 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote: > Dear list members, > Two months before we started developing a new version of > lios(2.0). The new version requires a detailed testing so here we > invite all of interested members to lios development group. > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lios > The latest deb package testing deb package can be downloaded after sign up. > lios source code : https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/ > > For those who do not know about lios please read following brief introduction. > > Lios is a free and open source software for converting print in to > text using either scanner or a camera, It can also produce text out of > scanned images from other sources such as Pdf, Image, Folder > containing Images or screenshot. Program is given total accessibility > for visually impaired. Lios is written in python3, and we release it > under GPL-3 license. There are great many possibilities for this > program, Feedback is the key to it, Expecting your feedback > Nalin.x.Linux@gmail.com > > Features. > > 1. Import images from Scanner, PDFs, Folder, or Webcam, > 2. Take and Recognize Screenshot, > 3. Recognize Selected Areas(Rectangle selection), > 4. Support two OCR Engines (Cuneiform,Tesseract), > 5. 24 Language support (Given at the end), 30 more languages can be > installed in Tesseract, > 6. Full Auto Rotation for any Language(If aspell installed for the > language, Eg : "sudo apt-get install aspell-hi" for Hindi, > 7. Side by side view of image and output > 8. Advanced Scanner Brightness optimizer, > 9. Text Reader for low vision with Highlighting, With user selected > Color, Font, and Background Color, > 10. Audio converter(espeak), > 11. Spell-checker(aspell), > 12. Export as pdf (text/images), > 13. Dictionary Support for English(Artha) > 14. Options for save, load and reset settings, > 15. Other options - Find, Find-and-Replace, Go-To-Page, Go-To-Line, > Append file, Punch File, > Selection of starting page number, page numbering mode and number of > pages to scan, > Selection of Scan area, brightness, resolution and time between > repeated scanning, > Output Insert position, image rotation and zoom options, etc > From kyle4jesus@gmail.com Tue Dec 15 23:53:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A937876847 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:53:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BEslDhuo0h65 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f42.google.com (mail-qg0-f42.google.com [209.85.192.42]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9097628E for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id v16so21803663qge.0 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:53:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:in-reply-to:references:content-type :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=n3VE/9CwpYJT+vWkhe+YYRkPS6fRxJp4/9/6zbWapFQ=; b=QCziLp7S1gdqTGNgzwWtZsTe/5wx0J4ZiUZfgaG7uz7kNk1sk8clnUOW4J2rQiaVJ9 j8JK2pmIQULuQt0OrXjJkqF9NOlgKCx5k1ZqNBayxT7URSt8554575AUvhCuwKl8ltfk 6QzdhrfDPbqrxdXHM4pS0AS8vXfLbegA+ZdfoHwsNG1zHoRK8wi33OSioHbpqx/3+L9J vOlAy8wMgdWst2xjUiHxn7DsJjOgpr0eHhWvVu3pnvYQP7/djvudtVQoTtTpqtZv1JHP aTDc9oqxBX5HJHLMeE7ilSJ4ZsK3HLL21kwFim38zRJTX2N744wkCZXlxyeXDRSWB35V OqZw== X-Received: by 10.140.152.150 with SMTP id 144mr50928807qhy.8.1450223627374; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from hummingboard ([71.69.198.142]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id x129sm1518906qhc.33.2015.12.15.15.53.46 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:53:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1450223625.24166.11.camel@gmail.com> From: Kyle To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:53:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: <56705263.4010806@gmail.com> References: <567046AD.6000709@gmail.com> <56705263.4010806@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] OT, espeak has been forked X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:53:47 -0000 Espeak-ng is said to retain API compatibility with upstream Espeak, but in order to allow both to coexist on the same machine, it can't be built unmodified and work correctly with speech-dispatcher. Some post- install symlinks need to be created in order for it to replace upstream Espeak. https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues/2 explains the process necessary to make it work in this way. Hope it helps. 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[216.98.194.220]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e202sm1586204oic.23.2015.12.15.16.58.19 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:58:19 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Jeremy Lincicome Message-ID: <5670B72A.3090008@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:58:18 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Capitalization Sound Icons Question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 00:58:20 -0000 Hi list, I was wondering if there is a way to set the capitalization icon sound to only play when navigating by character. When reading by line, or when using say all, it's annoying to hear it click for every line. Is this something that can be configured in Orca, or is this a limitation of Speech-Dispatcher? Thanks, Jeremy From jdiggs@igalia.com Wed Dec 16 05:41:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81737699A for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 05:41:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cnb9cDLiakhV for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 05:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A4B76907 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 05:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [173.199.65.43] (helo=[10.110.1.6]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim) id 1a94pu-0001lu-1D; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:41:14 +0100 To: Jeremy Lincicome References: <5670B72A.3090008@gmail.com> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <5670F96D.5060502@igalia.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:41:01 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5670B72A.3090008@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Capitalization Sound Icons Question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 05:41:14 -0000 Hi Jeremy. This will become configurable; it isn't yet. Sorry! --joanie On 12/16/2015 01:58 AM, Jeremy Lincicome wrote: > Hi list, > I was wondering if there is a way to set the capitalization icon sound > to only play when navigating by character. When reading by line, or when > using say all, it's annoying to hear it click for every line. Is this > something that can be configured in Orca, or is this a limitation of > Speech-Dispatcher? > > Thanks, > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From w0jrl1@gmail.com Wed Dec 16 07:02:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A967699A for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:02:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Y2utixOVoXh for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:02:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f43.google.com (mail-oi0-f43.google.com [209.85.218.43]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E54076907 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f43.google.com with SMTP id o124so19575198oia.1 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:02:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zOr80+9zER69VQNNaeU3gmLnKevTq9/mtSFAwGGfE6w=; b=S9niNeLDNIA/YEoE5DPq6yD10+Fbvha/QaTFWOjJvuNqEtbQ5awD+1OXM9+NNhb4oY XoseHhWM+SUEO+YdGWUVAoF7ktPJ37bs5zHcOoNV/ME0EJCbc3da9jHxF6MvbSQlqnn4 GF7YATcXdnu04x69IVSNL3tBWWffVyN5JLry7RdSJuYoedxzVRmXgDGcBqJNnjPgDMX2 tNbEUnPsDCtlpiiVPnGUqZ9KLSkDLv07yM5EaY4029UEZe8W/Zin4ryXHEcMt/NYP6DM xhdQW7k0rLNQOvAXGKsmSKh6EZJ6GokEbP7CkK0xddciduw/x1AR4JdJge8JBZX1QkgH Q4zQ== X-Received: by 10.202.189.7 with SMTP id n7mr26698979oif.55.1450249321310; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:02:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.55.114] (216-98-194-220.forethought.net. [216.98.194.220]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id l17sm2183872oib.11.2015.12.15.23.02.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:02:00 -0800 (PST) To: Joanmarie Diggs References: <5670B72A.3090008@gmail.com> <5670F96D.5060502@igalia.com> From: Jeremy Lincicome Message-ID: <56710C68.9000806@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 00:02:00 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5670F96D.5060502@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Capitalization Sound Icons Question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:02:01 -0000 Joanie, No problem! That's what testing is all about, right? A friend of mine is also testing master, and feels the same way I do about the capitalization sound. Unfortunately, he's not on the list. I've tried getting him to join, but he says I write better bug reports than he does. Keep up the great work! Jeremy On 12/15/2015 10:41 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi Jeremy. > > This will become configurable; it isn't yet. Sorry! > --joanie > > On 12/16/2015 01:58 AM, Jeremy Lincicome wrote: >> Hi list, >> I was wondering if there is a way to set the capitalization icon sound >> to only play when navigating by character. When reading by line, or when >> using say all, it's annoying to hear it click for every line. Is this >> something that can be configured in Orca, or is this a limitation of >> Speech-Dispatcher? >> >> Thanks, >> Jeremy >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> From lrs@dalen.lamasti.net Wed Dec 16 07:41:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CD9769D1 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:41:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id svtJNsoJx7Ln for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:41:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 527 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:41:14 UTC Received: from dalen.lamasti.net (lamasti.net [195.159.152.110]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAEA76907 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dalen.lamasti.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9C22403B; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 08:32:27 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lamasti.net Received: from dalen.lamasti.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dalen.lamasti.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JPWSIbLWGIqa; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 08:32:24 +0100 (CET) Received: by dalen.lamasti.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 6D9722403C; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 08:32:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 08:32:24 +0100 From: Lars =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rndal?= To: "Nalin.x.Linux" Message-ID: <20151216073224.GS2374@lamasti.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: malayalamcomputingscert@googlegroups.com, Discussion list of Swathanthra Malayalam Computing , Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] Linux-Intelligent-Ocr-Solution 2.0 Development Regarding X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:41:17 -0000 Hi. Is any functionality available from the console command line? Or does Lios require GUI to run? Thanks and regards, Lars On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 02:54:44AM +0530, Nalin.x.Linux wrote: > Dear list members, > Two months before we started developing a new version of > lios(2.0). The new version requires a detailed testing so here we > invite all of interested members to lios development group. > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lios > The latest deb package testing deb package can be downloaded after sign up. > lios source code : https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/ > > For those who do not know about lios please read following brief introduction. > > Lios is a free and open source software for converting print in to > text using either scanner or a camera, It can also produce text out of > scanned images from other sources such as Pdf, Image, Folder > containing Images or screenshot. Program is given total accessibility > for visually impaired. Lios is written in python3, and we release it > under GPL-3 license. There are great many possibilities for this > program, Feedback is the key to it, Expecting your feedback > Nalin.x.Linux@gmail.com > > Features. > > 1. Import images from Scanner, PDFs, Folder, or Webcam, > 2. Take and Recognize Screenshot, > 3. Recognize Selected Areas(Rectangle selection), > 4. Support two OCR Engines (Cuneiform,Tesseract), > 5. 24 Language support (Given at the end), 30 more languages can be > installed in Tesseract, > 6. Full Auto Rotation for any Language(If aspell installed for the > language, Eg : "sudo apt-get install aspell-hi" for Hindi, > 7. Side by side view of image and output > 8. Advanced Scanner Brightness optimizer, > 9. Text Reader for low vision with Highlighting, With user selected > Color, Font, and Background Color, > 10. Audio converter(espeak), > 11. Spell-checker(aspell), > 12. Export as pdf (text/images), > 13. Dictionary Support for English(Artha) > 14. Options for save, load and reset settings, > 15. Other options - Find, Find-and-Replace, Go-To-Page, Go-To-Line, > Append file, Punch File, > Selection of starting page number, page numbering mode and number of > pages to scan, > Selection of Scan area, brightness, resolution and time between > repeated scanning, > Output Insert position, image rotation and zoom options, etc > > -- > Free Software Free Society > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From nalin.x.linux@gmail.com Wed Dec 16 09:06:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C985769CE for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 09:06:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EgRpEMeZRItQ for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 09:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f177.google.com (mail-qk0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BBF76907 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 09:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk0-f177.google.com with SMTP id u65so34889789qkh.2 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 01:06:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dL7KXQ8KG9yq+Vfhh7oahyWiPKFpxtM7FbZCNF6cr+M=; b=wG2/V8/7xn1hnUH9ha76wIw3R+QZtqiS25sN2OtdcstxU2Mgrj3MCZXs0WgU/0ON8e iHVfLF75M/YtT1XSgO/UH46w9OoT2clmrjMhfYCzCUA+byAy+olxwj8bbZouA4SV171R SVcSuzoiIPFpciJ5BcYsAz+8TqoUyRFlyc+FWyq3v6OT/SWQGLf9oZnbv6MhMXORYuA9 KqrgZl78cXb2zTk5afV0rL8odbYEWrp9TVpDRJfV0G0fBjZ+GHdFqugT+5zUnhc9/0wc oX/ip/sEf5cbsjnSDriFwHOXbkj3xl9hEBcGni/ke2Bgmq1H8QvP7SiqZzBgHp7RQ5VW EUgg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.55.71.135 with SMTP id u129mr60244937qka.26.1450256771425; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 01:06:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.29.164 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 01:06:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20151216073224.GS2374@lamasti.net> References: <20151216073224.GS2374@lamasti.net> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 04:06:11 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Nalin.x.Linux" To: =?UTF-8?Q?Lars_Bj=C3=B8rndal?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] Linux-Intelligent-Ocr-Solution 2.0 Development Regarding X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 09:06:11 -0000 On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:32 AM, Lars Bj=C3=B8rndal wrot= e: > Hi. > > Is any functionality available from the console command line? Or does > Lios require GUI to run? > > Thanks and regards, Lars > Actually lios is graphical user interface to make ocr process easy. However we will think about a command line interface. From chrys87@web.de Wed Dec 16 10:45:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B0C769D1 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 10:45:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.636 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.636 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c-56xVYn5VyS for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 10:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.17.11]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0037699A for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 10:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.6.142.162] by 3capp-webde-bap08.server.lan (via HTTP); Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:45:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: chrys87@web.de To: "kendell clark" , orca-list Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:45:29 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <567086FB.1000400@gmail.com> References: , <567086FB.1000400@gmail.com> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:TBKvM32iJpFnfqGq1A5MfsGkUAhtt/2mJHHbBrHrvLx mSWIFaXfpoo63KCWsdBs/y4w3g+Vaf1kluVsRqWRUQDVf1a9Yh asFo/7XFGh6rd65/oDw6tAkk/XqHaCq8C0iWuO5LzuJ9WUMI/c G/EVGUzTbydInyRm4JSG9SNg2vSqFKNwnr015vWC3bJuMqgv75 t2Ioqr4+/FL1xVo7SBZfwxuXZQH4wX241vV8cidox46va6cnDE LjOb5YHRDq3D05dDvTCoyeyrESPYtE2gqbgwBwuXBk1HjlWNe0 RsEjEz6j5SqQ6ztxzFTjjSiTB1y X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:lV/IkthdoBc=:RH3IQdbaoAIuXWX2yos/5K yFW8MJixpOYovZqa1d62MFgQG+XCO9U0RB85CQEKNi+mCd1gjj3T0jxrGaC72cHDVkxe72pQD vylRhZ7AIcmx6aKVuIvjchUzbvKWm1n+XdQ3xTH299vcPVbhoYevQr8/r/E7opoTMjy+hYyxD GRZcXyv4eSHA1Or+CqDEFgUW8KePskPNeMd7xKsGMk+jISbfjlh9Q0wFJrsvL3z8eeoX/8D57 gU5CksfSWeeQXAfeh6TKmcWsXEqtMmy1gWo+ylTCveFaPDQ4Zfu/OwXqlVX/T1ew2Wqts5jAa riUkC1JmhO+YzQr1afO3mOBrcHikoUWW8F6mWdR9J4M7delr526RnPifkyeLebIwlievYsZ3p PAnSBn8y3kjZRBs30A7E2G4h5/1d0vPbvrJSq/2Vk50X//K9iyZqtw3qNyvPXRrutU3g8gMdi v7hC3z5JTQ== Subject: Re: [orca-list] Linux-Intelligent-Ocr-Solution 2.0 Development Regarding X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 10:45:33 -0000
Howdy Nalin.x.Linux,
 
Great. My first tests are realy positive :). I will create a AUR package this evening for Arch users :).
 
kendell: i dont think its a replacement for ocrdesktop. It seems to be designd for makes the OCR process as easy as possible ( in a really nice way), but not for analyze or interact with your desktop via OCR technology. so its seems to be a more advanced replacement for my ocrpdf alpha :).
 
I will do later some more testing. But I enjoy it :).
 
cheers chrys
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Dezember 2015 um 22:32 Uhr
Von: "kendell clark" <coffeekingms@gmail.com>
An: "Orca List" <orca-list@gnome.org>
Betreff: Re: [orca-list] Linux-Intelligent-Ocr-Solution 2.0 Development Regarding
lets try this again, lol. Serves me right for hitting reply to all when
there are three or four mailing lists involved, lol
hi
This sounds great. I'll see about getting this added to the manjaro
repositories, so people can choose between ocrdesktop and lios.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 12/15/2015 03:24 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
> Dear list members,
> Two months before we started developing a new version of
> lios(2.0). The new version requires a detailed testing so here we
> invite all of interested members to lios development group.
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lios
> The latest deb package testing deb package can be downloaded after sign up.
> lios source code : https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/
>
> For those who do not know about lios please read following brief introduction.
>
> Lios is a free and open source software for converting print in to
> text using either scanner or a camera, It can also produce text out of
> scanned images from other sources such as Pdf, Image, Folder
> containing Images or screenshot. Program is given total accessibility
> for visually impaired. Lios is written in python3, and we release it
> under GPL-3 license. There are great many possibilities for this
> program, Feedback is the key to it, Expecting your feedback
> Nalin.x.Linux@gmail.com
>
> Features.
>
> 1. Import images from Scanner, PDFs, Folder, or Webcam,
> 2. Take and Recognize Screenshot,
> 3. Recognize Selected Areas(Rectangle selection),
> 4. Support two OCR Engines (Cuneiform,Tesseract),
> 5. 24 Language support (Given at the end), 30 more languages can be
> installed in Tesseract,
> 6. Full Auto Rotation for any Language(If aspell installed for the
> language, Eg : "sudo apt-get install aspell-hi" for Hindi,
> 7. Side by side view of image and output
> 8. Advanced Scanner Brightness optimizer,
> 9. Text Reader for low vision with Highlighting, With user selected
> Color, Font, and Background Color,
> 10. Audio converter(espeak),
> 11. Spell-checker(aspell),
> 12. Export as pdf (text/images),
> 13. Dictionary Support for English(Artha)
> 14. Options for save, load and reset settings,
> 15. Other options - Find, Find-and-Replace, Go-To-Page, Go-To-Line,
> Append file, Punch File,
> Selection of starting page number, page numbering mode and number of
> pages to scan,
> Selection of Scan area, brightness, resolution and time between
> repeated scanning,
> Output Insert position, image rotation and zoom options, etc
>

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From mallard@ilgerone.net Wed Dec 16 10:51:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D0276AD6 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 10:51:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0zBMJkhVv5tA for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 10:51:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 1140 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 10:51:21 UTC Received: from vps.simocoitalia.it (vps.simocoitalia.it [5.249.144.248]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D4076A85 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 10:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (vps.simocoitalia.it [127.0.0.1]) by vps.simocoitalia.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6614D7FD4C; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:32:19 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at vps.simocoitalia.it Received: from vps.simocoitalia.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (5.249.144.248 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ioKqGNN2lVHp; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:32:17 +0100 (CET) To: kendell clark , Orca List References: <567086FB.1000400@gmail.com> From: Mallard Message-ID: <56713DB2.7050604@ilgerone.net> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:32:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <567086FB.1000400@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Linux-Intelligent-Ocr-Solution 2.0 Development Regarding X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 10:51:23 -0000 Hey Kendell, my Hero! Yes, please, do that... Looking forward to it! Ciao, Ollie Il 15/12/2015 22:32, kendell clark ha scritto: > lets try this again, lol. Serves me right for hitting reply to all when > there are three or four mailing lists involved, lol > hi > This sounds great. I'll see about getting this added to the manjaro > repositories, so people can choose between ocrdesktop and lios. > Thanks > Kendell clark > > > On 12/15/2015 03:24 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote: >> Dear list members, >> Two months before we started developing a new version of >> lios(2.0). The new version requires a detailed testing so here we >> invite all of interested members to lios development group. >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lios >> The latest deb package testing deb package can be downloaded after >> sign up. >> lios source code : https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/ >> >> For those who do not know about lios please read following brief >> introduction. >> >> Lios is a free and open source software for converting print in to >> text using either scanner or a camera, It can also produce text out of >> scanned images from other sources such as Pdf, Image, Folder >> containing Images or screenshot. Program is given total accessibility >> for visually impaired. Lios is written in python3, and we release it >> under GPL-3 license. There are great many possibilities for this >> program, Feedback is the key to it, Expecting your feedback >> Nalin.x.Linux@gmail.com >> >> Features. >> >> 1. Import images from Scanner, PDFs, Folder, or Webcam, >> 2. Take and Recognize Screenshot, >> 3. Recognize Selected Areas(Rectangle selection), >> 4. Support two OCR Engines (Cuneiform,Tesseract), >> 5. 24 Language support (Given at the end), 30 more languages can be >> installed in Tesseract, >> 6. Full Auto Rotation for any Language(If aspell installed for the >> language, Eg : "sudo apt-get install aspell-hi" for Hindi, >> 7. Side by side view of image and output >> 8. Advanced Scanner Brightness optimizer, >> 9. Text Reader for low vision with Highlighting, With user selected >> Color, Font, and Background Color, >> 10. Audio converter(espeak), >> 11. Spell-checker(aspell), >> 12. Export as pdf (text/images), >> 13. Dictionary Support for English(Artha) >> 14. Options for save, load and reset settings, >> 15. Other options - Find, Find-and-Replace, Go-To-Page, Go-To-Line, >> Append file, Punch File, >> Selection of starting page number, page numbering mode and number of >> pages to scan, >> Selection of Scan area, brightness, resolution and time between >> repeated scanning, >> Output Insert position, image rotation and zoom options, etc >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM Thu Dec 17 02:28:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C06876A06 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:28:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.81 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.81 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Pubbnnhbxhk for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (userp1040.oracle.com [156.151.31.81]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439DD769B6 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tBH2S48Y021725 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:28:04 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBH2S4DC008882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:28:04 GMT Received: from abhmp0013.oracle.com (abhmp0013.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBH2S3Wq021358 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:28:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1e683c99-dea1-499a-b8bb-5d3860fb3940@default> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 18:28:00 -0800 (PST) From: Don Raikes Sender: Don Raikes To: orca-list@gnome.org X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="__1450319281426207521abhmp0013.oracle.com" X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] Subject: [orca-list] virtualization software on linux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:28:04 -0000 --__1450319281426207521abhmp0013.oracle.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, =20 I am preparing to convert one of my computers from windows to debian for a = variety of reasons. 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Hello,

 

I am pr= eparing to convert one of my computers from windows to debian for a variety= of reasons.

My problem is that I do nee= d to have a windows system available, so I was considering running a window= s virtual machine ontop of my Linux host.

 

I have used vmware on windows i= n the past and found it to be very usable. Virtualbox on windows is not as = usable though but I read recently that virtualbox on Linux is quite accessi= ble.

 

So my first question is what are the pros and cons of vmware vs virt= ualbox?

 

My second questions is what screenreader should be used on the wi= ndows guest vm since I believe that jaws cannot  be licensed in a vm.<= o:p>

 

My final question is does orca work with desktop sharing such that I coul= d access my windows guest vm using  the gnome remote desktop/ desktop = sharing application?

 

Any suggestiosn would be greatly appreciated.

 

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--__1450319281426207521abhmp0013.oracle.com-- From bart.bunting@ursys.com.au Thu Dec 17 02:59:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF8F76A06 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:59:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hux4Meob3_0M for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf0-f175.google.com (mail-pf0-f175.google.com [209.85.192.175]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98154769B6 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 68so22433675pfc.1 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 18:59:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ursys-com-au.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=sender:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=UU3Ifk/Oed5KeF1GA55M6LleKrQZYCju0nOZ3sM7jkM=; b=lNGiPDgKRjgO3rGW8DRyPvyLhM6YiUaQA3bF+1dq3z+no3oHnWMsKaaLOJqzJ71CQN GypNRT84uoYsoXN/11545KsQ8mZ1j6BOgfqT+Z0sdAhKTxhU6q34xUpPjdU8EXUhq5eh /9Vc2/bV/fr2zP2/QxdjjiBG7/Ze4lDKxR94mJbKZkQ12sBvuYzM3pLYiqZH39VBuEcK vBEHsu/6cV0cBvVVW7etbKEXVWs9Z0QEi6rS/HY3bzZvDvPEMOEZONT9MtJPpz1NJSCH ohtWy2mLEVM7/o1QWxR7IYCohp5SF+0ltOOuPogHbZK8VkeQkOzX7DHC+++zKtpBMsKX x8bg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=UU3Ifk/Oed5KeF1GA55M6LleKrQZYCju0nOZ3sM7jkM=; b=dXtBlTK1Ulq9xkUAB99fAxBjdqxDs37nqwaZhNfrN8ENMw1GYbsxRKmdKEX97Dt/ZX ZpDqXyEMv/n80G+OQV6W1gkTo7mw7tlGHWvU4eV08h8MPcY3o5+CdA7PjRrjBjoOB7Qd Vha4FgJxsOB2e/Tuq4Wd2gjoBHYi7ld7Sw2hWQ808bmdI76t8rxFM7C/SR1JLCJTWYXq 3l+eAHW90OfrIbcca0/YFhv99FGrGS63t2INlD8gp0MK8W1K85MhsFwmJP74/5J3HSMO ld99tb7F3tAiKj/z6Jseu2o/UneOnhiW2iY8m6Q+YJh5uqBPrZHJBfxw7x1LVHacpcny ApXA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmm/b4V8n5mzV4E6kf3K9qmV6lC90bnftxDVDVYM8mtqsUXJo3z7f2va0LnszHQnxb6V0PALIkAy8P9iFAPeLoChWIovQ== X-Received: by 10.98.42.69 with SMTP id q66mr10651071pfq.72.1450321197522; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 18:59:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from fiz.local ([203.7.149.244]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k65sm7552667pfj.57.2015.12.16.18.59.56 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Dec 2015 18:59:57 -0800 (PST) Sender: Bart Bunting Received: by fiz.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1A79B68B7C3; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 13:59:51 +1100 (AEDT) From: Bart Bunting To: Don Raikes , orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1e683c99-dea1-499a-b8bb-5d3860fb3940@default> References: <1e683c99-dea1-499a-b8bb-5d3860fb3940@default> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.21~rc3+6~g4acbc1f (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/25.0.50.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin14.3.0) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 13:59:51 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [orca-list] virtualization software on linux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:59:57 -0000 Hey Don, I have vmware working but orca doesn't appear to read any of it. So the windows vm works fine but no ability to change settings etc with vmware. I'm not entirely sure if it is me or something else as I think others have reported success. I'm using Debian unstable and latest vmware workstation 12.1 and orca from git. I haven't as yet tried vmware. Kind regards Bart Don Raikes writes: > Hello, > > > > I am preparing to convert one of my computers from windows to debian for a variety of reasons. > > My problem is that I do need to have a windows system available, so I was considering running a windows virtual machine ontop of my Linux host. > > > > I have used vmware on windows in the past and found it to be very usable. Virtualbox on windows is not as usable though but I read recently that virtualbox on Linux is quite accessible. > > > > So my first question is what are the pros and cons of vmware vs virtualbox? > > > > My second questions is what screenreader should be used on the windows guest vm since I believe that jaws cannot be licensed in a vm. > > > > My final question is does orca work with desktop sharing such that I could access my windows guest vm using the gnome remote desktop/ desktop sharing application? > > > > Any suggestiosn would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Donald > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Bart -- Bart Bunting From chaltain@gmail.com Thu Dec 17 06:28:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683FD769D9 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 06:28:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3xdMdH1gx5Ts for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 06:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f171.google.com (mail-yk0-f171.google.com [209.85.160.171]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C25576568 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 06:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 140so8005186ykp.0 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 22:28:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oczvlmoMr08Coal5F1B4aHTIfkKhCwfNr+hzdwdFfAA=; b=aSircTuXb1aPodF5PuIRy9bDsUqELrn0MQHl/+t0YCLDmxNGvz4NR5yVYyJY/9dwiY 0Tv9maQTRwbGgEkv972szhd7J3FM/ZJfhXMfN/pR4rtyEP8RyRoKOCIVP1T9A5rgL+HI LkcfTTYoiZ5qwt0aBBUX8yR5qhsbMxLQDzC/GFuS8vO22F+ULimNIh6bF6KSvXv5fB7+ DonGvqyeJ9SrT/pMnQp0D6nFuYBze3dLHvU3DkvbuDBtYJ0+Wt9qRmz9qo4Erx+w7qxm KmYUlkP69hhpu8KaGnQSZRSzgfcUzMcX1iekLp6AS+K1QtVQ4bK0EvLqboZp+OjCCpLy aEdw== X-Received: by 10.13.231.197 with SMTP id q188mr30414586ywe.84.1450333707797; Wed, 16 Dec 2015 22:28:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (74-194-137-49.gtwncmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net. [74.194.137.49]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t189sm8903184ywd.43.2015.12.16.22.28.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 Dec 2015 22:28:27 -0800 (PST) To: Bart Bunting , Don Raikes , orca-list@gnome.org References: <1e683c99-dea1-499a-b8bb-5d3860fb3940@default> From: Christopher Chaltain Message-ID: <5672560A.1090106@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 00:28:26 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] virtualization software on linux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 06:28:27 -0000 I use VMware Player to run Windows virtual machines under Ubuntu. Orca reads the menus and dialogues just fine for me. I use NVDA as my screen reader. I don't see any reason why JAWS wouldn't work though. True, you'll need a license for it, but that's true for any machine (virtual or physical) where you're running JAWS. On 16/12/15 20:59, Bart Bunting wrote: > Hey Don, > > I have vmware working but orca doesn't appear to read any of it. > > So the windows vm works fine but no ability to change settings etc with > vmware. > > I'm not entirely sure if it is me or something else as I think others > have reported success. > > I'm using Debian unstable and latest vmware workstation 12.1 and orca > from git. > > I haven't as yet tried vmware. > > > Kind regards > > Bart > > Don Raikes writes: > >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I am preparing to convert one of my computers from windows to debian for a variety of reasons. >> >> My problem is that I do need to have a windows system available, so I was considering running a windows virtual machine ontop of my Linux host. >> >> >> >> I have used vmware on windows in the past and found it to be very usable. Virtualbox on windows is not as usable though but I read recently that virtualbox on Linux is quite accessible. >> >> >> >> So my first question is what are the pros and cons of vmware vs virtualbox? >> >> >> >> My second questions is what screenreader should be used on the windows guest vm since I believe that jaws cannot be licensed in a vm. >> >> >> >> My final question is does orca work with desktop sharing such that I could access my windows guest vm using the gnome remote desktop/ desktop sharing application? >> >> >> >> Any suggestiosn would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> Donald >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Bart > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail From fudge@thefudge.net Thu Dec 17 10:47:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55ECC762C3 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 10:47:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.934 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.934 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gO_hKkQpqGeQ for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 10:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f54.google.com (mail-pa0-f54.google.com [209.85.220.54]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB46176287 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 10:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id ur14so40439672pab.0 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:47:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thefudge-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=LUspztjAoY616aCjzThaYMml6fth32VXMsHlEs0SYxk=; b=SKTFdTYSX82lCShsNuJoRu7iqx0lMpT231bNkH8GocvjNoB9RuFFaj8Cq4jtIPGRt1 htnSV8+UH8clwSWX9PtfSYJI6XOISvkpefkDXTeKx1xO7+Knd0TacAyHU9sIC5qmUJig chouf7u0lKwF4JrctIYopAksa2TJHpeoi46ND1IUkCk+x4fFUqhCujenIzatLm3x116R TCiEe14wm6ROF7mRhCSiAOFNcl03kJgKGhct8MenjxNdZ3sFgG0SkltEL46j91qtbcMs QCwwO5ItOSN7G2RUN6BIhfxkX+PNPqmoXtjZe8yUeYSRcqctQetcculI+j9ZgFSsGLnV Nkxg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=LUspztjAoY616aCjzThaYMml6fth32VXMsHlEs0SYxk=; b=GHVDpvG6cEm5phiaJB1xmGPhlzn66zFsB0Yl7rSX/i5tLpRTh6VaNKpUqO7nZ4sZJD cuRhJKyElIZfO0gtIcS+PPXPcKsU4WIGHcZZBn5GWxapTGb5uls2eqCS7wwYJy1eCALm QK6Ze6O4sKYnHeewa7RYeCYu6pYPqA+TRJmJmTHmsBzHoUFY5dDRVCP7My0+XTact7A6 9ENYgZHokxdnBeyTVjBtE9HPE10IAmYmu06LDi1T7KeLZLq7GS2ccFg2DbJbdCCIGj6s 3Lj90AIQRvZKHDjAdTQfKaIV/JARtikqXYwPzCtjjs6Qzm56bkbTcqPkM0ZymuKM89JB gocg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQme//PX6N6DkDM1epVzOJ7M4tccy7ZwfMDkkSXn7bOHs7Zx18j8I3AIGANcFWwePo7XNf8sn/47tYX8gAzZWu0vHIfC+g== X-Received: by 10.67.5.2 with SMTP id ci2mr70679656pad.47.1450349226405; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.10.10.41] (182-239-134-165.ip.adam.com.au. [182.239.134.165]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t85sm10586714pfa.34.2015.12.17.02.47.04 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:47:05 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1e683c99-dea1-499a-b8bb-5d3860fb3940@default> From: Rob Whyte Message-ID: <567292A2.4040002@thefudge.net> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 21:46:58 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1e683c99-dea1-499a-b8bb-5d3860fb3940@default> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010101030109060202020201" Subject: Re: [orca-list] virtualization software on linux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 10:47:06 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010101030109060202020201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Don, yes Vmware is very accessible, of course remember alt f6 to get to those dialogues that don't always show. I have successfully used various Windows VM's and JAWS with no problems including cracks. Whom ever told you otherwise they are wrong. Good luck Rob On 17/12/15 13:28, Don Raikes wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am preparing to convert one of my computers from windows to debian > for a variety of reasons. > > My problem is that I do need to have a windows system available, so I > was considering running a windows virtual machine ontop of my Linux host. > > > > I have used vmware on windows in the past and found it to be very > usable. Virtualbox on windows is not as usable though but I read > recently that virtualbox on Linux is quite accessible. > > > > So my first question is what are the pros and cons of vmware vs > virtualbox? > > > > My second questions is what screenreader should be used on the windows > guest vm since I believe that jaws cannot be licensed in a vm. > > > > My final question is does orca work with desktop sharing such that I > could access my windows guest vm using the gnome remote desktop/ > desktop sharing application? > > > > Any suggestiosn would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Donald > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org --------------010101030109060202020201 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Don,
yes Vmware is very accessible, of course remember alt f6 to get to those dialogues that don't always show.
I have successfully used various Windows VM's and JAWS with no problems including cracks.
Whom ever told you otherwise they are wrong.

Good luck
Rob


On 17/12/15 13:28, Don Raikes wrote:

Hello,

I am preparing to convert one of my computers from windows to debian for a variety of reasons.

My problem is that I do need to have a windows system available, so I was considering running a windows virtual machine ontop of my Linux host.

I have used vmware on windows in the past and found it to be very usable. Virtualbox on windows is not as usable though but I read recently that virtualbox on Linux is quite accessible.

So my first question is what are the pros and cons of vmware vs virtualbox?

My second questions is what screenreader should be used on the windows guest vm since I believe that jaws cannot be licensed in a vm.

My final question is does orca work with desktop sharing such that I could access my windows guest vm using the gnome remote desktop/ desktop sharing application?

Any suggestiosn would be greatly appreciated.

Donald



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Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

--------------010101030109060202020201-- From zahari.yurukov@gmail.com Thu Dec 17 12:00:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A02A76A11 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:00:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uNqh6Bg-LVAo for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lf0-f44.google.com (mail-lf0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495BE762C2 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf0-f44.google.com with SMTP id p203so50738976lfa.0 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 04:00:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/a649nPZZTQiYdHK8NoZNfTW8/A9g7BJdGejtdnfqI4=; b=YMOkb0qGl20geMh+t5zmomXbS1Kjre2NqfpQa401u+Q4Kfb6MJG7fMIPc1ORnFKr0X E647FatLURXIAOyfOlJf5BOBZdTfl7kKe49Dpui7Mnkuz3NEMAZbwrxEWwGsJytq3+a/ gqtCCygWmiVode7STu3KnLDuSnB372ipLJsjAsjHb11TpzOOunRxxx6hbzRWiG0Y6GLm Uc8RdhpsjFVa4nQZwT+EGE4nrO7KTtSg2zzO6uoHlQ6RA9RJbNzvZ5EC1J2l3RLBEzmj CmNMRM2TQvfnRtjH7Z0/IYCWIn885IbYqmy0g6SbJMo35OuJm93HdWIQEWYplvK/pSBI cEYA== X-Received: by 10.25.77.71 with SMTP id a68mr12584848lfb.49.1450353641104; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 04:00:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([87.121.101.209]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id l128sm1833677lfd.10.2015.12.17.04.00.39 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Dec 2015 04:00:39 -0800 (PST) To: Orca-list References: <1e683c99-dea1-499a-b8bb-5d3860fb3940@default> <567292A2.4040002@thefudge.net> From: Zahari Yurukov X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <5672A3E6.3050107@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 14:00:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <567292A2.4040002@thefudge.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] virtualization software on linux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:00:45 -0000 Hi, Cracks? Is that what we call licensing this days, grin. Folks, don't use stolen sotware - either pay for it or use free and open source software. NVDA is a perfect screen reader for a Windows enviroment and you don't need anything else (several years NVDA user and several years JAWS user before that, now several years Orca user here). On topic: I don't use virtual machines any more, but when I did, I used exclusivly VirtualBox. It's pritty accessible and even that there are a few inaccessible parts, you can edit the configuration file and/or use the command line access to workaround that (and that in case you need some very complex configuration). One disadvantage of VirtualBox is that you can't assign greater than 256MB video RAM to the virtual machine. That is the minimum requirement for all Windows versions since Vista, so you'll experiance a certain lag. However, your idea of running headless virtual machine and accessing it via remote desktop intrigues me. I've done that, but on Windows Server 2008, and Debian 7 was the guest OS - somewhat the oposit. However, I'm sure it's possible under linux, too. For remote client you can use Remmina. I've used that to connect to the Windows Server 2008 mentioned above from my Vinux desktop. It's pritty accessible, except some parts of the initial session creation. So what's intriguing here is the fact, that the visualization will happen on the Linux side, not in the virtual machine. That means the 256MB video RAM limit won't have any matter. Please, when you do this, compair the performance when interacting with the virtual machine itself and via remote desktop, and drop us a few lines. Oh, and depending what programs you'd like to run at the same time on the both machines, you may need a lot of RAM. 4GB is not enough at all - 8GB is a minimum. whitch reminds me, that may be it won't be bad if you tell us the parameters of the machine, so people with similar configurations could suggest you what would be the performance when running Debian and a Windows virtual machine inside it. Best wishes, Zahari On 12/17/2015 12:46 PM, Rob Whyte wrote: > Hey Don, > yes Vmware is very accessible, of course remember alt f6 to get to those > dialogues that don't always show. > I have successfully used various Windows VM's and JAWS with no problems > including cracks. > Whom ever told you otherwise they are wrong. > > Good luck > Rob > > > On 17/12/15 13:28, Don Raikes wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I am preparing to convert one of my computers from windows to debian >> for a variety of reasons. >> >> My problem is that I do need to have a windows system available, so I >> was considering running a windows virtual machine ontop of my Linux host. >> >> >> >> I have used vmware on windows in the past and found it to be very >> usable. Virtualbox on windows is not as usable though but I read >> recently that virtualbox on Linux is quite accessible. >> >> >> >> So my first question is what are the pros and cons of vmware vs >> virtualbox? >> >> >> >> My second questions is what screenreader should be used on the windows >> guest vm since I believe that jaws cannot be licensed in a vm. >> >> >> >> My final question is does orca work with desktop sharing such that I >> could access my windows guest vm using the gnome remote desktop/ >> desktop sharing application? >> >> >> >> Any suggestiosn would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> Donald >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From jason@jasonjgw.net Thu Dec 17 12:56:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E495A762C3 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:56:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hJhklR17cXp8 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr.jasonjgw.net (svr.jasonjgw.net [192.155.90.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC52A762C2 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jpc.jasonjgw.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:85:c202:533b:216:eaff:fe69:4636]) by svr.jasonjgw.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1AF72321B0 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 07:56:02 -0500 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151217125602.GA31136@jpc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1e683c99-dea1-499a-b8bb-5d3860fb3940@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1e683c99-dea1-499a-b8bb-5d3860fb3940@default> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] virtualization software on linux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:56:04 -0000 Don Raikes wrote: > So my first question is what are the pros and cons of vmware vs virtualbox? Also consider KVM, which can perform full virtualization under Linux (provided your CPU has the necessary instruction set, which recent processors from AMD and Intel do). I've used KVM successfully to run Linux guest operating systems on a Linux host. Although I haven't used VirtualBox, I've heard positive remarks about its command line interface. From burt1iband@gmail.com Thu Dec 17 17:14:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D04976A66 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 17:14:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zl4iumnC3NJK for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 17:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f178.google.com (mail-ob0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE52E769D9 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 17:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id sd4so62469692obb.0 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 09:14:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=V2CIpYqdOI0i36xIFBgpsqt/HyIuV4A/XQobDW77HYc=; b=WIghPA/DSD+5j/P9YqT9dKm51IQjDhEp6lNw1X32GAQs8pkkfp7fJRapKhtLArzQBm 04H84Z4ez8PtcT+BWXjsSuL4ZGZzsKOGuOYYgvhnJAaw0eFAUUrsREgvGv63qotIxAwx Yz4pn3mxpow2hiZTffWsmkfxQ1RmC1d3aD6b+NSbt8biCMP/uZ2Ve6DhepXfXZyWiWgN /Du4zK1/InrLernWA9LGfhDR6pxHRlpWFnCpXXaP8eoS/m2CQsZz/svw5rPlm5mNUfQq 39abtxkiq6V3laGQz+ywtd6BqVC71mY3GAKYfwkmFyMKcUmatJznWPwHrayVXjho7JWW bRkw== X-Received: by 10.182.28.66 with SMTP id z2mr29051227obg.32.1450372443194; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 09:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.79.244]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id of1sm3013764obb.18.2015.12.17.09.14.01 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Dec 2015 09:14:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 11:10:23 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151217171023.GC2101@gmail.com> References: <567086FB.1000400@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Linux-Intelligent-Ocr-Solution 2.0 Development Regarding X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 17:14:04 -0000 It is for sure not a re3placement for ocrdesktop. They do completely different things. LIOS would be more of a replacement for the speedOCR you may remember from Vinux repos. It has a GUI, and automates most of the scanner setup stuff, and does ocr on existing images as well with different out put options. To make another comparison it is designed to do the types of things people might do with openbook or Kurzweil reader on a windows box. It has the limitations that you would expect, the comparatively weak open source OCR engines being the most important. It is for jobs like reading mail, (well typed and printed mail anyway...), scanning books, and reading pdfs that do not have extractable text. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 chrys87@web.de wrote: Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:45:29AM +0100 > Howdy Nalin.x.Linux, > > Great. My first tests are realy positive :). I will create a AUR package > this evening for Arch users :). > > kendell: i dont think its a replacement for ocrdesktop. It seems to be > designd for makes the OCR process as easy as possible ( in a really nice > way), but not for analyze or interact with your desktop via OCR > technology. so its seems to be a more advanced replacement for my ocrpdf > alpha :). > > I will do later some more testing. But I enjoy it :). > > cheers chrys > Gesendet:Dienstag, 15. Dezember 2015 um 22:32 Uhr > Von:"kendell clark" > An:"Orca List" > Betreff:Re: [orca-list] Linux-Intelligent-Ocr-Solution 2.0 Development > Regarding > lets try this again, lol. Serves me right for hitting reply to all when > there are three or four mailing lists involved, lol > hi > This sounds great. I'll see about getting this added to the manjaro > repositories, so people can choose between ocrdesktop and lios. > Thanks > Kendell clark > > On 12/15/2015 03:24 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote: > > Dear list members, > > Two months before we started developing a new version of > > lios(2.0). The new version requires a detailed testing so here we > > invite all of interested members to lios development group. > > [1]https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lios > > The latest deb package testing deb package can be downloaded after sign > up. > > lios source code : [2]https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/ > > > > For those who do not know about lios please read following brief > introduction. > > > > Lios is a free and open source software for converting print in to > > text using either scanner or a camera, It can also produce text out of > > scanned images from other sources such as Pdf, Image, Folder > > containing Images or screenshot. Program is given total accessibility > > for visually impaired. Lios is written in python3, and we release it > > under GPL-3 license. There are great many possibilities for this > > program, Feedback is the key to it, Expecting your feedback > > Nalin.x.Linux@gmail.com > > > > Features. > > > > 1. Import images from Scanner, PDFs, Folder, or Webcam, > > 2. Take and Recognize Screenshot, > > 3. Recognize Selected Areas(Rectangle selection), > > 4. Support two OCR Engines (Cuneiform,Tesseract), > > 5. 24 Language support (Given at the end), 30 more languages can be > > installed in Tesseract, > > 6. Full Auto Rotation for any Language(If aspell installed for the > > language, Eg : "sudo apt-get install aspell-hi" for Hindi, > > 7. Side by side view of image and output > > 8. Advanced Scanner Brightness optimizer, > > 9. Text Reader for low vision with Highlighting, With user selected > > Color, Font, and Background Color, > > 10. Audio converter(espeak), > > 11. Spell-checker(aspell), > > 12. Export as pdf (text/images), > > 13. Dictionary Support for English(Artha) > > 14. Options for save, load and reset settings, > > 15. Other options - Find, Find-and-Replace, Go-To-Page, Go-To-Line, > > Append file, Punch File, > > Selection of starting page number, page numbering mode and number of > > pages to scan, > > Selection of Scan area, brightness, resolution and time between > > repeated scanning, > > Output Insert position, image rotation and zoom options, etc > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > [3]https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: [4]https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: [5]https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > [6]https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at [7]http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > References > > Visible links > 1. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lios > 2. https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/ > 3. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > 4. https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > 5. https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > 6. https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > 7. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From krmane@gmail.com Thu Dec 17 19:12:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BEA76A0B for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:12:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZS-VYj_kna0y for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf0-f177.google.com (mail-pf0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9AC762C2 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf0-f177.google.com with SMTP id v86so35354742pfa.2 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 11:12:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:cc:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZHbyKA+ngW2SU++0HAVkafPBbRPPIPXKYTa7NZ0GWZo=; b=OG2zmjXmUQZsOHw3oZT+cLOKiidJdYEY1isESKrOhg/uY6+GBSa1BnuHTEiPJgpJTs +hqzRHmKp/mTTRX3jBavv/CrexLBDCmiUzc8CqIQN2728gh/jIkKbEkG0gH0hUzXBDTu 8mNFisQPxRKIty1J4eczDQu62EmdpZbqlQ0eYb1uObGY/SZnTQhjEkPD5vgCV1VqUT8u g87fdmcPvSHHzRS64wgB9qMo46XUUL/KORPyuvuxOBSKU2EFDKiSf1O9dNKnOw3FqzVL HqA4UginJpFKFS0S5e+8RXXoV0wORQYnaO1Kw5L+OcV9yI6M7HU0IroRhyLscorvl7je t76w== X-Received: by 10.98.42.69 with SMTP id q66mr16395822pfq.72.1450379527434; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 11:12:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([203.88.7.44]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id w65sm9037323pfa.18.2015.12.17.11.12.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Dec 2015 11:12:05 -0800 (PST) To: vinux-support@googlegroups.com From: kk Message-ID: <567308F6.6060201@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 00:41:50 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca List Subject: [orca-list] can I customize gnome-shell launcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:12:07 -0000 Dear all, I am planning to shift back to gnome 3.16 and only one thing is holding me back. I wish to know if there is some thing similar to what Unity offers in customizing the left side launcher bar. Firstly I don't have any way to access the list of favorite (most used ) apps like that in Unity by pressing alt+f1. I don't get any feedback about the apps untill I press ctrl + tab after alt+f1 in gnome. Can any one share a plugin or some configuration tip to make this work in gnome like in Unity? Secondly, can I add or remove those applications in the launcher? I can't figure this out because I am not able to get at the menu with just alt+f1. I tryed after ctrl tab but I could just get the launcher nothing more than navigating through the list. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From milton@duurzaamdigitaal.org Thu Dec 17 20:12:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F21B76962 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:12:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B0fLgi8pogvP for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4.versatel.nl (smtp4.versatel.nl [62.58.50.91]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DEE762C2 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9836 invoked by uid 0); 17 Dec 2015 20:12:43 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO [192.168.1.8]) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp4.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 17 Dec 2015 20:12:43 -0000 To: kk , vinux-support@googlegroups.com References: <567308F6.6060201@gmail.com> From: Milton Message-ID: <5673173E.7060700@duurzaamdigitaal.org> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 21:12:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <567308F6.6060201@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] can I customize gnome-shell launcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:12:49 -0000 Your second question: yes, you can add or remove those applications in the launcher. Just right click on an app. Milton Op 17-12-15 om 20:11 schreef kk: > Dear all, > I am planning to shift back to gnome 3.16 and only one thing is > holding me back. > I wish to know if there is some thing similar to what Unity offers in > customizing the left side launcher bar. > Firstly I don't have any way to access the list of favorite (most used > ) apps like that in Unity by pressing alt+f1. > I don't get any feedback about the apps untill I press ctrl + tab > after alt+f1 in gnome. > Can any one share a plugin or some configuration tip to make this work > in gnome like in Unity? > Secondly, can I add or remove those applications in the launcher? > I can't figure this out because I am not able to get at the menu with > just alt+f1. > I tryed after ctrl tab but I could just get the launcher nothing more > than navigating through the list. > Happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM Thu Dec 17 20:52:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9D976A66 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:52:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ssf7JM9OHzBP for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com (aserp1040.oracle.com [141.146.126.69]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5B5762C2 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tBHKq4Pf001717 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:52:04 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBHKq3S2019631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:52:04 GMT Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBHKq3Xv012478; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:52:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2adb6bbc-4dad-4940-94b8-557a6c5314d1@default> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:52:01 -0800 (PST) From: Don Raikes Sender: Don Raikes To: Zahari Yurukov , Orca-list References: <1e683c99-dea1-499a-b8bb-5d3860fb3940@default> <567292A2.4040002@thefudge.net> <5672A3E6.3050107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5672A3E6.3050107@gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] Subject: Re: [orca-list] virtualization software on linux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:52:06 -0000 Zahari, Thanks for all the input. My desktop system is a dell xps8700 with 16gb ram and an 8 core processor, = I think. I am going to be running some network monitoring software in the background= on the Linux hohst environment but that should still leave me with at leas= t 12gb for vms and if I am smart about it I won't run too many vms at once = :) -----Original Message----- From: Zahari Yurukov [mailto:zahari.yurukov@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 5:01 AM To: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] virtualization software on linux Hi, Cracks? Is that what we call licensing this days, grin. Folks, don't use stolen sotware - either pay for it or use free and open so= urce software. NVDA is a perfect screen reader for a Windows enviroment and= you don't need anything else (several years NVDA user and several years JA= WS user before that, now several years Orca user here). On topic: I don't use virtual machines any more, but when I did, I used exc= lusivly VirtualBox. It's pritty accessible and even that there are a few in= accessible parts, you can edit the configuration file and/or use the comman= d line access to workaround that (and that in case you need some very compl= ex configuration). One disadvantage of VirtualBox is that you can't assign greater than 256MB= video RAM to the virtual machine. That is the minimum requirement for all = Windows versions since Vista, so you'll experiance a certain lag. However, your idea of running headless virtual machine and accessing it via= remote desktop intrigues me. I've done that, but on Windows Server 2008, a= nd Debian 7 was the guest OS - somewhat the oposit. However, I'm sure it's = possible under linux, too. For remote client you can use Remmina. I've used that to connect to the Win= dows Server 2008 mentioned above from my Vinux desktop. It's pritty accessi= ble, except some parts of the initial session creation. So what's intriguing here is the fact, that the visualization will happen o= n the Linux side, not in the virtual machine. That means the 256MB video RA= M limit won't have any matter. Please, when you do this, compair the performance when interacting with the= virtual machine itself and via remote desktop, and drop us a few lines. Oh, and depending what programs you'd like to run at the same time on the b= oth machines, you may need a lot of RAM. 4GB is not enough at all - 8GB is = a minimum. whitch reminds me, that may be it won't be bad if you tell us th= e parameters of the machine, so people with similar configurations could su= ggest you what would be the performance when running Debian and a Windows v= irtual machine inside it. Best wishes, Zahari On 12/17/2015 12:46 PM, Rob Whyte wrote: > Hey Don, > yes Vmware is very accessible, of course remember alt f6 to get to=20 > those dialogues that don't always show. > I have successfully used various Windows VM's and JAWS with no=20 > problems including cracks. > Whom ever told you otherwise they are wrong. >=20 > Good luck > Rob >=20 >=20 > On 17/12/15 13:28, Don Raikes wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> =20 >> >> I am preparing to convert one of my computers from windows to debian=20 >> for a variety of reasons. >> >> My problem is that I do need to have a windows system available, so I=20 >> was considering running a windows virtual machine ontop of my Linux host= . >> >> =20 >> >> I have used vmware on windows in the past and found it to be very=20 >> usable. Virtualbox on windows is not as usable though but I read=20 >> recently that virtualbox on Linux is quite accessible. >> >> =20 >> >> So my first question is what are the pros and cons of vmware vs=20 >> virtualbox? >> >> =20 >> >> My second questions is what screenreader should be used on the=20 >> windows guest vm since I believe that jaws cannot be licensed in a vm. >> >> =20 >> >> My final question is does orca work with desktop sharing such that I=20 >> could access my windows guest vm using the gnome remote desktop/=20 >> desktop sharing application? >> >> =20 >> >> Any suggestiosn would be greatly appreciated. >> >> =20 >> >> Donald >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide:=20 >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide:=20 > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >=20 _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stabl= e/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM Thu Dec 17 20:53:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19231762C2 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:53:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mabPNrW6jp1h for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (userp1040.oracle.com [156.151.31.81]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A9376A81 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tBHKrlA2018084 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:53:47 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBHKrkNP028682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:53:46 GMT Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tBHKrkNQ030749; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:53:46 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <363f139f-4c6b-428b-8235-2b8ce7cd6ec7@default> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 12:53:44 -0800 (PST) From: Don Raikes Sender: Don Raikes To: Rob Whyte , orca-list@gnome.org References: <1e683c99-dea1-499a-b8bb-5d3860fb3940@default> <567292A2.4040002@thefudge.net> In-Reply-To: <567292A2.4040002@thefudge.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="__1450385626006255504abhmp0016.oracle.com" X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] Subject: Re: [orca-list] virtualization software on linux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:53:48 -0000 --__1450385626006255504abhmp0016.oracle.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I actually got the info about jaws not being able to be registered in a vm = straight from freedomscientific. =20 It will be fun to experiment with the setup. =20 From: Rob Whyte [mailto:fudge@thefudge.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 3:47 AM To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] virtualization software on linux =20 Hey Don, yes Vmware is very accessible, of course remember alt f6 to get to those di= alogues that don't always show. I have successfully used various Windows VM's and JAWS with no problems inc= luding cracks. Whom ever told you otherwise they are wrong. Good luck Rob On 17/12/15 13:28, Don Raikes wrote: Hello, =20 I am preparing to convert one of my computers from windows to debian for a = variety of reasons. My problem is that I do need to have a windows system available, so I was c= onsidering running a windows virtual machine ontop of my Linux host. =20 I have used vmware on windows in the past and found it to be very usable. V= irtualbox on windows is not as usable though but I read recently that virtu= albox on Linux is quite accessible. =20 So my first question is what are the pros and cons of vmware vs virtualbox? =20 My second questions is what screenreader should be used on the windows gues= t vm since I believe that jaws cannot be licensed in a vm. =20 My final question is does orca work with desktop sharing such that I could = access my windows guest vm using the gnome remote desktop/ desktop sharing= application? =20 Any suggestiosn would be greatly appreciated. =20 Donald _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list HYPERLINK "mailto:orca-list@gnome.org"orca-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stabl= e/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org =20 --__1450385626006255504abhmp0016.oracle.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= I actually got the info about jaws not being = able to be registered in a vm straight from freedomscientific.

 

It will be = fun to experiment with the setup.

 

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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 3:47 AMTo: orca-list@gnome.org
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Hey Don,
yes Vmware is very accessible, of course remember alt f6 to = get to those dialogues that don't always show.
I have successfully used = various Windows VM's and JAWS with no problems including cracks.
Whom ev= er told you otherwise they are wrong.

Good luck
Rob

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On 17/12/15 13:28, Don Raikes wrote:

Hello,

 =

I am preparing to convert one of my computer= s from windows to debian for a variety of reasons.

My problem is that I do need to have a windows system availabl= e, so I was considering running a windows virtual machine ontop of my Linux= host.

 

I have used vmware on windows in the past and found it to be very = usable. Virtualbox on windows is not as usable though but I read recently t= hat virtualbox on Linux is quite accessible.

 

So my first question is what= are the pros and cons of vmware vs virtualbox?

 

My second questions is wh= at screenreader should be used on the windows guest vm since I believe that= jaws cannot  be licensed in a vm.

=  

My final question is does orca wo= rk with desktop sharing such that I could access my windows guest vm using&= nbsp; the gnome remote desktop/ desktop sharing application?

=

 

Any suggesti= osn would be greatly appreciated.

 =

Donald

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[70.189.65.243]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n3sm14116617pfa.79.2015.12.17.19.09.56 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:09:57 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: tim Message-ID: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 21:09:55 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:09:59 -0000 Hello, So I'm writing this cause this is the closest list I've found with out digging threw my trash folder, but here goes, I've just upgraded espeak on sonar to 1.48.154 and now I get odd strangnous with espeak, Pidgin crashes it, and instead of for example Sudo pacman -Syu in a normal terminal, it announces everything like s u d o p a c m a n -S leter999 or some weirdness u, then instead of Syncing package databases it reads by charactor, it's strange, and says things like s c r e e n r e a d e r o n instead of Screen Reader on. If this all makes sence.. I've previously disabled varients in /etc/speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak.conf btw.Sonar mate 2015.4 I believe or 2015.3. From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 03:24:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB07B769D9 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:24:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_REDIR=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BOjt6Hxy-Y2V for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f46.google.com (mail-qg0-f46.google.com [209.85.192.46]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D58769B6 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id c96so24310006qgd.3 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:24:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:date:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=OPBnrvHj/QOo7ytilZC2/ElMv2Cpo65QQLs8BUBlonY=; b=CfJoXF3/pqx/H63xyLruE4Ii8ZEk6ej6mX9zZwab7IZoKvsEO/ICA8ArSjri3mu1tY D25YBENNUMo3WApIUKbvGrGWiVEuPI7aLrqTj7PH6SdXsGF8ut2Gcu6FhArQW3xzbs1F /zZV2Th4EElcTuqqpkV0ZNffsANWgRmXaZlMYRC9VqbTGBW2wlgtg/BmD1z9DD+zDAqH 9kjQ53LD2lN6rVUP6KgQpTduNLycflUwS3bOK3OBZTCrij/iiIQIgSduePyFNthAkMEM WMlw+dogoAOeaCajthA0uzrj0l3zFC9cu69ktdrimJA3FamIbAJ991dmFFUJAycIl83n rwZQ== X-Received: by 10.141.3.9 with SMTP id f9mr1872612qhd.98.1450409064231; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from frankendell ([137.118.186.73]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b6sm4073577qkh.12.2015.12.17.19.24.22 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:24:22 -0800 (PST) From: Storm Dragon X-Google-Original-From: Storm Dragon Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 22:24:21 -0500 To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151218032421.GG5040@frankendell> References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iJXiJc/TAIT2rh2r" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:24:25 -0000 --iJXiJc/TAIT2rh2r Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy, Did you do: kilall -9 speech-dispatcher && speech-dispatcher If not, this may fix your issues. 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([2602:306:3751:b90:171:189f:f09b:5308]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id z2sm9213323ywd.52.2015.12.17.19.46.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Dec 2015 19:46:23 -0800 (PST) To: Storm Dragon , orca-list@gnome.org References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> <20151218032421.GG5040@frankendell> From: tim Message-ID: <56738F8C.1030107@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 22:46:04 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:40.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/40.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151218032421.GG5040@frankendell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:46:23 -0000 Hello, I turned off orca first, then ran a sudo killall speech dispatcher, then ran sudo speech dispatchr, then restarted orca, hopefully this didn't screw anything up though I can't see it doing so On 12/17/15 21:24, Storm Dragon wrote: > Howdy, > Did you do: > kilall -9 speech-dispatcher && speech-dispatcher > If not, this may fix your issues. > HTH > Storm > On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 09:09:55PM -0600, tim wrote: >> Hello, So I'm writing this cause this is the closest list I've >> found with out digging threw my trash folder, but here goes, I've just >> upgraded espeak on sonar to 1.48.154 and now I get odd strangnous with >> espeak, Pidgin crashes it, and instead of for example Sudo pacman -Syu >> in a normal terminal, it announces everything like s u d o p a c m a n >> -S leter999 or some weirdness u, then instead of Syncing package >> databases it reads by charactor, it's strange, and says things like s >> c r e e n r e a d e r o n instead of Screen Reader on. If this all >> makes sence.. >> I've previously disabled varients in >> /etc/speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak.conf btw.Sonar mate 2015.4 I >> believe or 2015.3. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From coffeekingms@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 04:09:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325CF769D9 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 04:09:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6XBK0HCXBtJF for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 04:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f172.google.com (mail-yk0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E48769B6 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 04:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f172.google.com with SMTP id v6so44720944ykc.2 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:09:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:subject:from:reply-to:to:date:in-reply-to:references :content-type:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0PgX0sgZBLIy7C1HBfepOU2e4ISUKx6Z+ufwQbAwHcQ=; b=w3TuMDcoh0Qw2W/U5MKaXYNMoZRVmUrmmnasMnznvTVh0HNXLU9zVQcpa/NIQ/pM1m /4bEsF/b63Ghg7useiIBGa8r00LJYXb2TCW3KSbVwTbo0mpEfrE0eny2q7vfDBXYU9fr VxxEh7ARnKMxIwscRiMKwJ8VsMKkl8GGIDkXuYs0Y+Msay+H0+P97ZHbq+Snlq3vyOSv id1N0rRXx8oKsdD4VI6vDL9EWehELmZft/f8WY2dDiDSAMkcA6KO9NwJUgJV7UlOI2Mw K2F1NvoUjZHnVw3A7rHpIAKo3D9uh2YjbyMchLIxmR679sNzH6mN84ebVgAXOe9RdeNU 6fzg== X-Received: by 10.13.246.4 with SMTP id g4mr1238901ywf.285.1450411795684; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:09:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from tigger (74-196-119-242.mnolcmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net. [74.196.119.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id s83sm13958029ywg.21.2015.12.17.20.09.54 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:09:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1450411794.2832.4.camel@gmail.com> From: kendell clark To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 22:09:54 -0600 In-Reply-To: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: coffeekingms@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 04:09:55 -0000 hi I've seen this as well, although this shouldn't happen unless you build espeak from source, which I'm assuming you haven't done. If this happens, try executing the following command. cd /usr/local. sudo rm -rf *. This will remove any local copies of binaries built from source. If this fails then it's a problem with the espeak package, which I'll fix immediately. I'm going to switch over to the espeak ng fork since it now builds properly, but I haven't done this yet. Espeak spelling things out instead of saying them means there's a problem with the phonemes file, which is built when espeak itself is built from source. Fixing this requires espeak to be re-built from source. You can either do this yourself or wait until a fixed package shows up, which I'll get right on. It might take a couple of hours since I have to contact the manjaro development mailing list to get someone to fix the package build. If you want to fix this immediately, you can always download the espeak package from arch, which is different from the one sonar uses, and probably doesn't have this problem. To do this, go to packages.archlinux.org, enter espeak in the search box, and download the package matching your cpu architecture, either 32 bit or 64 bit. Thanks Kendell clark On Thu, 2015-12-17 at 21:09 -0600, tim wrote: >      Hello, So I'm writing this cause this is the closest list I've  > found with out digging threw my trash folder, but here goes, I've > just  > upgraded espeak on sonar to 1.48.154 and now I get odd strangnous > with  > espeak, Pidgin crashes it, and instead of for example Sudo pacman > -Syu  > in a normal terminal, it announces everything like s u d o p a c m a > n  > -S leter999 or some weirdness u, then instead of Syncing package  > databases it reads by charactor, it's strange, and says things like s > c  > r e e n r e a d e r o n instead of Screen Reader on. If this all > makes  > sence.. >   I've previously disabled varients in  > /etc/speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak.conf btw.Sonar mate 2015.4 I  > believe or 2015.3. > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help > /stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From isfeldt@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 04:14:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B295769D9 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 04:14:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uwoRq7Mii2EO for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 04:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f174.google.com (mail-yk0-f174.google.com [209.85.160.174]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4F8769B6 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 04:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f174.google.com with SMTP id p130so44910072yka.1 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:14:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7oNxoeLtM0Ps4lrLxOyG19T2mI/gBFUUVIr9mtWiVUU=; b=MyMURUq74vjmE6GbwP8QAUHzwEGA9WSJqlgQybZKGQtQKhrKiJ97CIu7IfrXoG1TyZ ++XDahAVtfhbt8zMZO0cVYq4RHYvWnith/HyjqVVh27TubB72MJFHBkNeu+zefwB87ZR 61FjMMOGGbkozYnQHkQ8In4WKT0+nRRPZFsgMfsEKXj5iragg+ZSwwEsJp9XhRsR4OO2 zHgIfU2Cis9X2eDoRwXLgfPUj6eriCAfeacHWW63FWoLtl0mmSRgcEFUfV+vTSITLoWZ WoyTU0YRlE51oySesUycfhUSK0sqdxPrLqXJGSH4/ZFX7WWUf3819P0gUx74pqKcC2wh yxTA== X-Received: by 10.13.199.70 with SMTP id j67mr1159521ywd.272.1450412058573; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:14:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2602:306:3751:b90:171:189f:f09b:5308? ([2602:306:3751:b90:171:189f:f09b:5308]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id l2sm4919830ywd.22.2015.12.17.20.14.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:14:17 -0800 (PST) To: coffeekingms@gmail.com, orca-list@gnome.org References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> <1450411794.2832.4.camel@gmail.com> From: tim Message-ID: <56739619.5080904@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 23:14:01 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:40.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/40.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1450411794.2832.4.camel@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 04:14:18 -0000 I will probably wait for an update actually, since downloading it could bee rather interesting, spelling things out f i r e f o x l o a d i n g lol and may go ahead and try the command you stated, and no I just used pacman to upgrade it, bypassing my previous ignore flag when we had validation problems a few weeks back On 12/17/15 22:09, kendell clark wrote: > hi > I've seen this as well, although this shouldn't happen unless you build > espeak from source, which I'm assuming you haven't done. If this > happens, try executing the following command. cd /usr/local. sudo rm > -rf *. This will remove any local copies of binaries built from source. > If this fails then it's a problem with the espeak package, which I'll > fix immediately. I'm going to switch over to the espeak ng fork since > it now builds properly, but I haven't done this yet. Espeak spelling > things out instead of saying them means there's a problem with the > phonemes file, which is built when espeak itself is built from source. > Fixing this requires espeak to be re-built from source. You can either > do this yourself or wait until a fixed package shows up, which I'll get > right on. It might take a couple of hours since I have to contact the > manjaro development mailing list to get someone to fix the package > build. If you want to fix this immediately, you can always download the > espeak package from arch, which is different from the one sonar uses, > and probably doesn't have this problem. To do this, go to > packages.archlinux.org, enter espeak in the search box, and download > the package matching your cpu architecture, either 32 bit or 64 bit. > Thanks > Kendell clark > On Thu, 2015-12-17 at 21:09 -0600, tim wrote: >> Hello, So I'm writing this cause this is the closest list I've >> found with out digging threw my trash folder, but here goes, I've >> just >> upgraded espeak on sonar to 1.48.154 and now I get odd strangnous >> with >> espeak, Pidgin crashes it, and instead of for example Sudo pacman >> -Syu >> in a normal terminal, it announces everything like s u d o p a c m a >> n >> -S leter999 or some weirdness u, then instead of Syncing package >> databases it reads by charactor, it's strange, and says things like s >> c >> r e e n r e a d e r o n instead of Screen Reader on. If this all >> makes >> sence.. >> I've previously disabled varients in >> /etc/speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak.conf btw.Sonar mate 2015.4 I >> believe or 2015.3. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help >> /stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From sarperarikan@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 08:17:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2C0769B6 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:17:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YN95DC5ZrWNC for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f181.google.com (mail-io0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549FF765A3 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 186so83457392iow.0 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 00:17:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/hph5ZrTKcuWuGfBuXvryhrpgufK5fn84FV+hnhACXE=; b=LUPCqpTazjsGW50GNZJgnEDbIhuTViXTJSbMUGfXiuiHXdcLwfmM+ZGbakm9RWyZ36 h/pZNh5g0xyZrHQyeX31o6N8FvQeU1u3IEpaHC5Z38z93ZywzVvHQl9KBmIfzAxwbZCw vmGk0mdBbbDBP2X14wyGWlmChSBGppWHKq+M56Hl19pQASg8W1u+Fk2998IGd5MNlUOs 7+WIsU7wEJmXjvdkVQ4L07rES3J6C7VkQMfDBl9eHRDptx35X5tXXEt9/ib4NeoV2evH MmxV00rULjmEFLWCKvZaA/ajtU4rKTEN4N6R/Obb3MiJJBV2TLPCFWBHelX2IdnkTHIH PBoQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.32.209 with SMTP id g200mr2939542iog.39.1450426673501; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 00:17:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.223.114 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 00:17:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:17:53 +0200 Message-ID: From: engelsiz android To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [orca-list] html 5 objects is not accesible with orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:17:54 -0000 Hello I want to give a feedback for html 5 media players using by orca. When I want to play, stop or pause on youtube I did not anything with orca. I think add a object navigation system in orca in next realse. Thanks --=20 Akdeniz =C3=9Cniversitesi Merkez K=C3=BCt=C3=BCphane Ve Dok. DB. Giri=C5= =9Fi Engelli Destek BirimiG=C3=B6rme Engelliler Salonu sorumlusu(E=C4=9Fitmen) ve Engels= iz eri=C5=9Fim derne=C4=9Fi =C3=BCyesi: Sarper Ar=C4=B1kan Tel: 0242 310 17 12 Cep: 0553 370 67 14 Web: http://gesek.akdeniz.edu.tr From isfeldt@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 09:52:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7712376A59 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:52:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tiIR88DdUnhd for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f181.google.com (mail-io0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2D6769D9 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io0-f181.google.com with SMTP id e126so84311031ioa.1 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 01:52:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GmJXvn/0jSFI3Q3vMqMOIZMWfc/um51Rb9hclEl10dQ=; b=uoRdr1I/LFIGv1Vz9leIzM627DlYbOuhN9MPRE31888xzpDFh75frx+2su3fGviNe+ jC787csqmOSzzcXvbnFfSCVuHk9nazfZc8iWc50h0bBa5+jgkcBitWMrP0y7cm/hRvWH j7iAemCBwGwmPqyUUAB7ZPBTHG9BJ5WniwreMO86YU1JEXzVxpYg5nc2stfObhTdeZNy NdBSKzWKqwdFoigCeBsVavlin6+2h9rM5FkdpGuSvHF1DRSniuGLCKp3mBGWccV1NziD nPrAJGNiSwLwJDDCx/nH7yOvKKRBYQKi5oN2PXkh7ldX1/lLtJSApVq8AhidKuS0cEp5 inDA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.151.144 with SMTP id z138mr3486980iod.89.1450432354142; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 01:52:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.106.164 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 01:52:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:52:34 -0600 Message-ID: From: tim To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:52:33 -0000 So the sight has the following espeak, i686 Community espeak 1.48.04-1 and I don't think the /usr/local sudo rm -rf * command would work considdering the package wasn't built from source, but am willing to try, or, I can always downgrade until we figure out why espeak is doing this oddness. Thanks again! On 12/17/15, tim wrote: > Hello, So I'm writing this cause this is the closest list I've > found with out digging threw my trash folder, but here goes, I've just > upgraded espeak on sonar to 1.48.154 and now I get odd strangnous with > espeak, Pidgin crashes it, and instead of for example Sudo pacman -Syu > in a normal terminal, it announces everything like s u d o p a c m a n > -S leter999 or some weirdness u, then instead of Syncing package > databases it reads by charactor, it's strange, and says things like s c > r e e n r e a d e r o n instead of Screen Reader on. If this all makes > sence.. > I've previously disabled varients in > /etc/speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak.conf btw.Sonar mate 2015.4 I > believe or 2015.3. > > > From isfeldt@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 09:57:06 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E689576A5A for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:57:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2mY2yzI9pjO8 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2AB769D9 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id q3so38121897pav.3 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 01:57:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gDsoJtDP6h5eDlFYMzGQxPHn2XewTNuRM95VD8hLD+k=; b=dtgo21ReDEOUamjnbpG7OG1lITc/Ww3SzVupiO0GCXoISrjQOg9CpUlcI62h590FJB qoM1VYX+IWrBzdEE/PGiXAHxtcbJ1bO0xF/kZ1oQOUnfY7V+H2CTxgWoxMemR9IkrFLR KY6TyEZXQ3Z7vBMPwOfjrEHOmifqd5keU7n49Vcq3tvqOxUffDCPfBl7EjYOHJ5cPcRj 6z3582qHrcT4iDl9qTpjgNrkQf+k0Z4brcWb2V/z5VH+xuTC6ZKEpDjEhfIvrwGGDo8H sRgXGEdY1F9gLqM/opPclTZHDNUPL2tfQRaTOsyKEKmD0QW5iv3G+2qNegDQe5f3bWIA kfTQ== X-Received: by 10.66.161.70 with SMTP id xq6mr3773999pab.73.1450432627342; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 01:57:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (ip70-189-65-243.ok.ok.cox.net. [70.189.65.243]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x22sm4109501pfa.82.2015.12.18.01.57.06 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Dec 2015 01:57:06 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> From: tim Message-ID: <5673D871.6090005@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:57:05 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:57:07 -0000 Ok so fixed it! by running the downgrade script and installing the version listed on the sight. So now adding it again to ignorepkg lol! On 12/18/2015 03:52 AM, tim wrote: > So the sight has the following espeak, i686 Community espeak > 1.48.04-1 and I don't think the /usr/local sudo rm -rf * command > would work considdering the package wasn't built from source, but am > willing to try, or, I can always downgrade until we figure out why > espeak is doing this oddness. Thanks again! > > > On 12/17/15, tim wrote: >> Hello, So I'm writing this cause this is the closest list I've >> found with out digging threw my trash folder, but here goes, I've just >> upgraded espeak on sonar to 1.48.154 and now I get odd strangnous with >> espeak, Pidgin crashes it, and instead of for example Sudo pacman -Syu >> in a normal terminal, it announces everything like s u d o p a c m a n >> -S leter999 or some weirdness u, then instead of Syncing package >> databases it reads by charactor, it's strange, and says things like s c >> r e e n r e a d e r o n instead of Screen Reader on. If this all makes >> sence.. >> I've previously disabled varients in >> /etc/speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak.conf btw.Sonar mate 2015.4 I >> believe or 2015.3. >> >> >> From fhfbotelho@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 12:22:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD7076A59 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:22:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7AwUP8S8wdic for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f180.google.com (mail-qk0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61070760B1 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk0-f180.google.com with SMTP id k189so110754914qkc.0 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 04:22:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:reply-to:subject:references:to:from:organization:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GxtwbMSpCzgAV0g8Rtx1kgXOtCplazHU5T/ZhLTdiLM=; b=coT+2VmoDJaelSl/vpaQEe2O3jVCYdHLoG0zEPeuT7q1h8GNaPGi2HEdLwWY3+4z/+ 0eUZaGPZ/gfDTlk5KgrDCp8MvXXNAV+upm+25bBNs9LdoashxLYAQTZM0hhyWNdbsFLm Vola6upnzYOwy7QO7IZudfXsvod/pXyfpGKv9oUbelh7O3q5SlBVS6u7SiTdSoIo02Q0 MsFqhRhY8a4KT4R2FydHyJwNqMx6I88L7VAGITa8E3okISsQ0Ur+O0FrmadPkkd7C2rt njH6aFkX224tEk6JR6J1YfnBTvSe/wdaoNsqs2oGfuOV1rWUnIP0K/5kIZx/LlgHynQ4 qiKw== X-Received: by 10.55.72.143 with SMTP id v137mr4327899qka.73.1450441369684; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 04:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.100.9] ([187.121.131.98]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id v138sm6726035qka.6.2015.12.18.04.22.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Dec 2015 04:22:49 -0800 (PST) Sender: Fernando Botelho References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> <5673D871.6090005@gmail.com> To: tim , orca-list@gnome.org From: Fernando Botelho Organization: F123 Message-ID: <5673FA96.5060608@F123.org> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:22:46 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5673D871.6090005@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fernando.Botelho@F123.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:22:50 -0000 Hi everyone, Does anyone know when this problem will be fixed on Manjaro or ARCH? Thanks, Fernando On 12/18/2015 07:57 AM, tim wrote: > Ok so fixed it! by running the downgrade script and installing the > version listed on the sight. So now adding it again to ignorepkg lol! > > > On 12/18/2015 03:52 AM, tim wrote: >> So the sight has the following espeak, i686 Community espeak >> 1.48.04-1 and I don't think the /usr/local sudo rm -rf * command >> would work considdering the package wasn't built from source, but am >> willing to try, or, I can always downgrade until we figure out why >> espeak is doing this oddness. Thanks again! >> >> >> On 12/17/15, tim wrote: >>> Hello, So I'm writing this cause this is the closest list I've >>> found with out digging threw my trash folder, but here goes, I've just >>> upgraded espeak on sonar to 1.48.154 and now I get odd strangnous with >>> espeak, Pidgin crashes it, and instead of for example Sudo pacman -Syu >>> in a normal terminal, it announces everything like s u d o p a c m a n >>> -S leter999 or some weirdness u, then instead of Syncing package >>> databases it reads by charactor, it's strange, and says things like s c >>> r e e n r e a d e r o n instead of Screen Reader on. If this all makes >>> sence.. >>> I've previously disabled varients in >>> /etc/speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak.conf btw.Sonar mate 2015.4 I >>> believe or 2015.3. >>> >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From burt1iband@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 16:04:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F045E76A66 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:04:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qvJAua-95Uvk for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f176.google.com (mail-ob0-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD14A76A5A for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f176.google.com with SMTP id iw8so82391910obc.1 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:04:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=n/qsK1fdVhk5oHAIKP+PgDWVxk9yZMVoctWVIZbqOQE=; b=IBN7a1SzuZZbfmDvotRqkrEL0PRVM6GBjrlYdy43JbWkdKXgExCZsn7exbL6nX2/Bv QdZOLSQPy3iuJRsxzvBG3BMFZXH2H3pswAqZsSFDIlmbSIR6qh9sfy7Bg7cb6BGSiRBx Sc3Hn2ESp0dVNlqWZlM5GfSB8WpVpqLZ9a295Q1dyCdYp5e5CAizVDtnYdkpToCvFe52 3a2Vz9rVs1y/g5d9pJTm95tTaZjLp/9AhfaBGvLK1aMLUDZVpYJbMA8cGsc2BhlxyoAB 2Cm3IaFznbponcmW7oTQBftpB/YxNUamyo2jorELNWj6A4MJbb5RgMmEU68aSyBV0OQv GwxQ== X-Received: by 10.182.28.7 with SMTP id x7mr1857465obg.13.1450454641954; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:04:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.73.218]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id mj8sm3409807obc.25.2015.12.18.08.04.00 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:04:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:00:19 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151218160019.GT2101@gmail.com> References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> <5673D871.6090005@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5673D871.6090005@gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:04:02 -0000 I too have been having some odd output from espeak on my arch-linux box. I wasn't sure this was espeak itself or not, but you seem to have confirmed it. Which version did you rool back to, next to newest? Just for the record in my case I've been hearing lots of words missing their first consonant, e.g. ompartida instead of compartida, (I have a partition called compartida which mouts to /compartida), etc. I've gotten a bit of words being partiallly spelled out as you said you have had as well. Interestingly nothing is bewing pronounced oddly at this moment. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 tim wrote: Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 03:57:05AM -0600 > Ok so fixed it! by running the downgrade script and installing the version > listed on the sight. So now adding it again to ignorepkg lol! > > > On 12/18/2015 03:52 AM, tim wrote: > >So the sight has the following espeak, i686 Community espeak > > 1.48.04-1 and I don't think the /usr/local sudo rm -rf * command > >would work considdering the package wasn't built from source, but am > >willing to try, or, I can always downgrade until we figure out why > >espeak is doing this oddness. Thanks again! > > > > > >On 12/17/15, tim wrote: > >> Hello, So I'm writing this cause this is the closest list I've > >>found with out digging threw my trash folder, but here goes, I've just > >>upgraded espeak on sonar to 1.48.154 and now I get odd strangnous with > >>espeak, Pidgin crashes it, and instead of for example Sudo pacman -Syu > >>in a normal terminal, it announces everything like s u d o p a c m a n > >>-S leter999 or some weirdness u, then instead of Syncing package > >>databases it reads by charactor, it's strange, and says things like s c > >>r e e n r e a d e r o n instead of Screen Reader on. If this all makes > >>sence.. > >> I've previously disabled varients in > >>/etc/speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak.conf btw.Sonar mate 2015.4 I > >>believe or 2015.3. > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From burt1iband@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 16:13:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBFA76A86 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:13:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z5xCr9jPyk4e for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8819E76A66 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id iw8so82597324obc.1 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:13:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=T1a2P5GQbf969hLXIgZ+QEIrxTp5e9c/vHitBKLqs9U=; b=rKWqRO5CtnxeTlawtYld6cS7LsCXDx48jxDGuvlPtoU2vuyqE7ydi52yy6YiqSBaf7 eUZb8SvH1Wr2AsUtHfiXJW1Rk+6hFZyyydgMXO/sD7cK/q3KZDOw7zu06xG3Hjyiy7r3 EjNf7ejlizPSv1VhQ6KU8XgPNwqqq88aMHrxILZmZAchqWsIKSESsWoJgbDMmVsfIyAn FZsYhZDEjj7d5LjnTyrzTCmSFMzDvokonlnkIqQ5n9DEBBgIS1njFtmPQtDnqN0qWUVZ sj4cWfPGokxUdSL7CO+AcgmhFE8k1SNd9RIQiGAzltryq3IKmuym6gYVXUfvQC2zbAqB E9GA== X-Received: by 10.182.120.37 with SMTP id kz5mr1040022obb.81.1450455236028; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:13:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.73.218]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n9sm3599070oev.17.2015.12.18.08.13.54 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:13:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:10:19 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151218161019.GU2101@gmail.com> References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> <1450411794.2832.4.camel@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1450411794.2832.4.camel@gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:13:55 -0000 For the record I've not built espeak from source for years, just using standard packages from standard repos, nothing from the aur in the case of espeak. I have used speech dispatcher's git package from the aur at times, but not since the odd pronunciation issues have started occuring. As late as yesterday I was experiencing the strange behaviors, but not at the moment. I have not rebooted for over two days, but have updated the system a couple of times since last reboot. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 kendell clark wrote: Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:09:54PM -0600 > hi > I've seen this as well, although this shouldn't happen unless you build > espeak from source, which I'm assuming you haven't done. If this > happens, try executing the following command. cd /usr/local. sudo rm > -rf *. This will remove any local copies of binaries built from source. > If this fails then it's a problem with the espeak package, which I'll > fix immediately. I'm going to switch over to the espeak ng fork since > it now builds properly, but I haven't done this yet. Espeak spelling > things out instead of saying them means there's a problem with the > phonemes file, which is built when espeak itself is built from source. > Fixing this requires espeak to be re-built from source. You can either > do this yourself or wait until a fixed package shows up, which I'll get > right on. It might take a couple of hours since I have to contact the > manjaro development mailing list to get someone to fix the package > build. If you want to fix this immediately, you can always download the > espeak package from arch, which is different from the one sonar uses, > and probably doesn't have this problem. To do this, go to > packages.archlinux.org, enter espeak in the search box, and download > the package matching your cpu architecture, either 32 bit or 64 bit. > Thanks > Kendell clark > On Thu, 2015-12-17 at 21:09 -0600, tim wrote: > > Hello, So I'm writing this cause this is the closest list I've > > found with out digging threw my trash folder, but here goes, I've > > just > > upgraded espeak on sonar to 1.48.154 and now I get odd strangnous > > with > > espeak, Pidgin crashes it, and instead of for example Sudo pacman > > -Syu > > in a normal terminal, it announces everything like s u d o p a c m a > > n > > -S leter999 or some weirdness u, then instead of Syncing package > > databases it reads by charactor, it's strange, and says things like s > > c > > r e e n r e a d e r o n instead of Screen Reader on. If this all > > makes > > sence.. > > I've previously disabled varients in > > /etc/speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak.conf btw.Sonar mate 2015.4 I > > believe or 2015.3. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help > > /stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From steph.brown2@verizon.net Fri Dec 18 18:19:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD57276A95 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:19:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.611 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.611 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uiqYmabI6LEP for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:19:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 3623 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:19:40 UTC Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFA576A99 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.3] ([173.67.150.86]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NZK002QQDFQU5G0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:19:03 -0600 (CST) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=WcjxEBVX c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=+UK1aQbS+Y51aoRRjI2deg==:117 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=wUQvQvOEmiQA:10 a=9TOY9J5v0_HhkQbWMg8A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 To: "B. Henry" , orca-list@gnome.org References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> <1450411794.2832.4.camel@gmail.com> <20151218161019.GU2101@gmail.com> From: Steph Message-id: <56744005.7020508@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:19:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-version: 1.0 In-reply-to: <20151218161019.GU2101@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:19:41 -0000 I'm currently running Sonar, and updated my system (including Espeak) just yesterday. Since then Espeak started spelling absolutely everything out and saying some strange things such as "character 79" instead of the letter y. I wasn't sure how to downgrade Espeak, so I've installed the espeak-test package instead and it seems to be working well as a temporary fix. Stephanie On 12/18/2015 11:10 AM, B. Henry wrote: > For the record I've not built espeak from source for years, just using standard packages from standard repos, nothing from the aur in the case of > espeak. > I have used speech dispatcher's git package from the aur at times, but not since the odd pronunciation issues have started occuring. > As late as yesterday I was experiencing the strange behaviors, but not at the moment. > I have not rebooted for over two days, but have updated the system a couple of times since last reboot. > > > From krecoun@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 21:27:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242CC76357 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:27:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OQwxBUFeukr2 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f42.google.com (mail-wm0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F528760AD for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f42.google.com with SMTP id p187so1139956wmp.1 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:27:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RBWWmBUM2Vl/dFTlVv4g+IMgHJs1sI5ffhVrz82fqFI=; b=BIIHcYy3hpQNF93FoopejHTlx+TGHsbzH6N9UMU2t683Gk2RT+V/X+wK79Ng8mGWy3 SeiTkpz2qXIv9C9wQVtyeBREd+wHyL52CHdpo7SVspZzC/7SGZc9H+XymGi8+7QjQ62O Icr1bElXVG/q/OhPeVF3QcIDX4vaKAksqkPJ8QdW+4U8FXNS6sd8sQe2xGUS0xUwqcti xhvYdDXRQLPEnhOjpfiGiLc9gp6r5pg+B4G4FzIN5FgnxfF6DP6K3+4n5eh/RKnseudu gVw7GUOFc0r9f1eGDpXvAvuq/VZBbXT9nJngEZRurjorz3D72JYUbZsp9ZeQC9nqAOSQ p5ZQ== X-Received: by 10.28.63.200 with SMTP id m191mr5796093wma.67.1450474049820; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:27:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (ip-89-177-135-49.net.upcbroadband.cz. [89.177.135.49]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id q6sm8269088wmd.8.2015.12.18.13.27.28 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:27:29 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56747A40.6010805@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 22:27:28 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] problem with capitalization settings and profiles X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:27:30 -0000 Hi, I encounter the following bug. When I configure Orca to use beeps for marking of capitalization in application profile (Libreoffice in this case), this option is applied also outside the application. To reproduce: 0. make sure that you don't have beeps for capitalization configured in Orca settings. 1. Open Libreoffice and enter application specific Orca settings. 2. Set capitalization to beep and save settings. 3. Close Libreoffice and restart Orca. 4. Open Libreoffice and verify that beeping works. 5. Move on to the different application and notice that beeps still occur. 6. Close Libreoffice. The beeping still persists. 7. Restart Orca. Beeping stops. Could anyone reproduce this? It happens to me with Orca from master. Thanks, Vojta From isfeldt@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 21:27:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C429B76A95 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:27:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RprhcfYKUsub for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f170.google.com (mail-yk0-f170.google.com [209.85.160.170]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135B776A81 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 140so73028490ykp.0 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:27:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2a6LWVPmowJtP2n8GTXqrQUKk4oonz5JYLDItIPaYc8=; b=T7r26XClvFFTUkyv3FNofATISZQaNG2Eu4m/Cx03QI+l78NMoYEDAvCB5FUQ3aNfzB oFwUyNF/EyEhR9Mj9caMX71XKPEgMbqE5px96H8jucA0JAeotTvbBjLniHOgD7JKdvWz El5JXlqZvnXMYRwhv1kEgaBEk9I9X9Ki98UCd9rhTmMUn0z6rUzYI47UzJE6fppSBIQo Bniw6D6hk30lJ9Rem7QocWlla+Lm5/feIVnBgMchGBpcKrNMAyFpViRrOEGSZ8cc+jbf 20bnZTDrbdn3lCl64KxLMssWvtqfwrdcR0d380iVOs626glOet0czPq1MAUizZN4utFG /pqA== X-Received: by 10.129.146.197 with SMTP id j188mr4878652ywg.19.1450474073465; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2602:306:3751:b90:55f5:6641:9298:87c4? ([2602:306:3751:b90:55f5:6641:9298:87c4]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id c67sm17725812ywe.31.2015.12.18.13.27.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:27:52 -0800 (PST) To: Steph , "B. Henry" , orca-list@gnome.org References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> <1450411794.2832.4.camel@gmail.com> <20151218161019.GU2101@gmail.com> <56744005.7020508@verizon.net> From: tim Message-ID: <56748867.3060006@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:27:51 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:40.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/40.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56744005.7020508@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:27:53 -0000 Hello, in future, you can do a sudo pacman -S downgrade, then after it installs, sudo downgrade packagename for example espeak, this will bring up a list of packages both remotely and locally available, Hope this will help! I installed 1 48 01 or something like that it was the same version that is on the arch site On 12/18/15 11:19, Steph wrote: > I'm currently running Sonar, and updated my system (including Espeak) > just yesterday. Since then Espeak started spelling absolutely everything > out and saying some strange things such as "character 79" instead of the > letter y. I wasn't sure how to downgrade Espeak, so I've installed the > espeak-test package instead and it seems to be working well as a > temporary fix. > > Stephanie > > On 12/18/2015 11:10 AM, B. Henry wrote: >> For the record I've not built espeak from source for years, just using >> standard packages from standard repos, nothing from the aur in the >> case of >> espeak. >> I have used speech dispatcher's git package from the aur at times, but >> not since the odd pronunciation issues have started occuring. >> As late as yesterday I was experiencing the strange behaviors, but >> not at the moment. >> I have not rebooted for over two days, but have updated the system a >> couple of times since last reboot. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From krecoun@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 21:29:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0327476A24 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:29:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tenfyeGefE0W for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:29:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f50.google.com (mail-wm0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B8D76357 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:29:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f50.google.com with SMTP id p187so1180291wmp.1 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:29:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=45l9LT8CRJ0hSyQhMkl/HLAkJUrU3ScAup5GY5AWs8A=; b=sMLuMB0FySmiUFm27O8M3+cIKdhupYwZU5aySoFLCfw/7BTcOEEmolPzKjlk5pWycy QRZW9+g+OH1av/Gb5l5mH0PelgiPFBikrdG0hNDZkwPnp2M2vxfki3ERwsTzREMIBtkA DAqtQqmK0jDjh6C3WfjAiCKkLk9qevYYCnyesgQF5/ccblmdkf0rVRStwMT6uyMqDZhE aZYTNKe6qMMx1Y4Av9DBHyNMRtp6VZuMZSDe4z7RzKMoYen9bQFlzdXjCdTDmPVs3Y+s 4Y/UMGHGhMuH93cbTG7oUvEFUoaT97Iy0KzYObKv4xPbe+KJnwFOsxA1U4N7p+nQe+OF E1Wg== X-Received: by 10.28.140.202 with SMTP id o193mr5277335wmd.38.1450474148940; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (ip-89-177-135-49.net.upcbroadband.cz. [89.177.135.49]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 67sm8283404wmm.6.2015.12.18.13.29.08 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:29:08 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= Message-ID: <56747AA3.2070301@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 22:29:07 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] speaking of selection in Thunderbird does not work X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:29:09 -0000 Hi, I noticed that when selecting some text in Firefox, Orca reads it. In Thunderbird this does not work. Is there any reason for that? Firefox 43.0, Thunderbird 38.4.0, Orca master. 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[182.239.134.165]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id jj5sm24710330pac.4.2015.12.18.17.06.08 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:06:09 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list From: Rob Whyte Message-ID: <5674AD7C.70508@thefudge.net> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:06:04 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Orca on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 01:06:10 -0000 Hi, I recently installed PC-BSD with the Gnome Desktop Environment. How ever I don't seem able to run Orca, the error is no speech server available and the speech options are all greyed out. It is known issue go PC-BSD but I would like to know if it is also for FreeBSD and if anyone has a known work-around. spd-say hello works, I configured speech-dispatcher to use oss and sound on the Desktop also works. Thanks for any insight. Warm regards Rob Whyte From burt1iband@gmail.com Sat Dec 19 01:21:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC167648F for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 01:21:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gQ2Cy23Lx8zh for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 01:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com (mail-ob0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426A576357 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 01:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id no2so90705137obc.3 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:21:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=a7OLhj2Uizy1JUjb5TJUBfB84s48owhwtZuJKQ4tSFY=; b=Zo6nTzDp0+CZ0myPr2krESIJLiIT7ky+PF8ZP9oMFR1CqZRtEgyiszpp1uW6/efEnf EhOKo8xVjjo+UPFgt5F+uxAs5y1z0pCFP8lwV8ZSHN1EftUTLABmFhmOwITfs77CKYXi ZcJ6QIsKA72+XhxqSZWq4dH+Vr2+kyjaAKctHgLIaCRNvcajR2cFZxl67uooDlukiTcr DZ5+7Uu1ACRV4AauyOcuiyrqrmBKR6s+zP64lU3pKkHGj8SytMARIExB5aD09CcYdeM9 HJHBebYlmE2J9XbWuTuvWE0VDcCYvuGkklUWXzUuxtRprN9IgGVd+Tq5IJxe5bQyxv/8 8NmQ== X-Received: by 10.60.82.168 with SMTP id j8mr3146679oey.39.1450488061290; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.73.218]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id do3sm3506862obb.15.2015.12.18.17.21.00 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:21:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 19:17:17 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151219011717.GB2101@gmail.com> References: <56747AA3.2070301@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <56747AA3.2070301@gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] speaking of selection in Thunderbird does not work X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 01:21:01 -0000 I've found that performance varies with firefox from page to page, some websites/pages do speak text when I select it, others do not, and actually this will vary on the same page in my experience. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Vojtěch Polášek wrote: Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:29:07PM +0100 > Hi, > I noticed that when selecting some text in Firefox, Orca reads it. In > Thunderbird this does not work. Is there any reason for that? > Firefox 43.0, Thunderbird 38.4.0, Orca master. > Thanks, > Vojta > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From burt1iband@gmail.com Sat Dec 19 01:28:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D817648F for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 01:28:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DaPMuU9SXhQW for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 01:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA9076357 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 01:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id 18so91075271obc.2 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:28:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=sIKH/4AstL+XGXo1A2tan/pc3qR4hmXD+/Fyevb2wyA=; b=YOVnNBdO7ceLygK1Ry/48x5GTWoVRqG+b9wzUlOXjMHWlIGx/mRNOr67T6RJvXpSnV nbR9jx2xtN5qYeF7bufxJLvu58cIAg/1kH1KA9VpcTdr0anpQkaF+UN6uYtk0BJoV7xL sLiQ4nVL/r2807JEU8sD8qSaPgxs/38bU4MUppr7oPa6lkxJ3Aq7gz2sgLuErqUarHbL y1NjOuHzNQSsx/3XH/Om6wqQ15A/8naF3+1aOESqCK/NqBQ9TyXy22qElyKy5YAmknCY R+HltF0UPrMlLVYbUqDm4ppnMozq11Awntloerm8rUUTm06qRf+blxkPgvZ9ijyFSjyM Nb5Q== X-Received: by 10.182.213.7 with SMTP id no7mr2987407obc.22.1450488509314; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:28:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.73.218]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u8sm3497490obf.5.2015.12.18.17.28.28 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:28:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 19:24:45 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: tim , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151219012445.GC2101@gmail.com> References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> <1450411794.2832.4.camel@gmail.com> <20151218161019.GU2101@gmail.com> <56744005.7020508@verizon.net> <56748867.3060006@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56748867.3060006@gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 01:28:30 -0000 No, you are not correct about your first command. Neither downgrade nor downgrader are in official repos. They are both found in the aur, so you must install them with an AUR helper such as packer or yaourt if you have one, or get the downgrade or downgrader package and install it manually. Then you can run one or the other of these to see available versions. Alternatively you can go to the arch rollback, machine website and download old versions and install them with pacman, but it is well worth getting one of the downgrade helpers, and for that matter I highly recommend one of the aur helpers that also double as pacman wrappers. I use both packer and yaourt. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 tim wrote: Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 04:27:51PM -0600 > Hello, in future, you can do a sudo pacman -S downgrade, then after it > installs, sudo downgrade packagename for example espeak, this will bring up > a list of packages both remotely and locally available, Hope this will help! > I installed 1 48 01 or something like that it was the same version that is > on the arch site > On 12/18/15 11:19, Steph wrote: > >I'm currently running Sonar, and updated my system (including Espeak) > >just yesterday. Since then Espeak started spelling absolutely everything > >out and saying some strange things such as "character 79" instead of the > >letter y. I wasn't sure how to downgrade Espeak, so I've installed the > >espeak-test package instead and it seems to be working well as a > >temporary fix. > > > >Stephanie > > > >On 12/18/2015 11:10 AM, B. Henry wrote: > >>For the record I've not built espeak from source for years, just using > >>standard packages from standard repos, nothing from the aur in the > >>case of > >>espeak. > >>I have used speech dispatcher's git package from the aur at times, but > >>not since the odd pronunciation issues have started occuring. > >>As late as yesterday I was experiencing the strange behaviors, but > >>not at the moment. > >>I have not rebooted for over two days, but have updated the system a > >>couple of times since last reboot. > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >orca-list mailing list > >orca-list@gnome.org > >https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >GNOME Universal Access guide: > >https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > >Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > From isfeldt@gmail.com Sat Dec 19 02:36:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070E17648F for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 02:36:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OTEZbC_LEQSe for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 02:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com (mail-pa0-f44.google.com [209.85.220.44]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6198276357 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 02:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id jx14so40336315pad.2 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:36:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lX2iZ1+Klk5WqK2OjtOPSlAyazyIERb/fcLbbPTx3qw=; b=OJnFMpbDDiIdZvutkVzyp7di1kr7RBt7TmLyBcJf4feMi884rbROFlJo0NwYsdszcP Fbk/EEaDISAuHjSl1ARBJwlzY9hWwo3QorcsKsvOEu3hdsElImz/Y0PumztR5f4rVYPX lj1ES0S1wB1icfg3yXhQiEkDdouFNFnUVl2kq/6l9YZ15fmiZnX7PeFfvzZvb8aRfofk yaDfXSI+073SJ3sLA5u0hIBHpJ98ngd+W2UXxbfUZxINJlH5vCgloPTX2BDIZtqaILsr LqR2gjdDRpT1hjYbQjpTQy/SkSbTr6i0sBEVL9Ddi7QSFu4qwota3n9PwzHUwrcR9so1 UCuQ== X-Received: by 10.66.236.229 with SMTP id ux5mr9992672pac.91.1450492591887; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (ip70-189-65-243.ok.ok.cox.net. [70.189.65.243]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n3sm20412885pfa.79.2015.12.18.18.36.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:36:31 -0800 (PST) To: "B. Henry" , orca-list@gnome.org References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> <1450411794.2832.4.camel@gmail.com> <20151218161019.GU2101@gmail.com> <56744005.7020508@verizon.net> <56748867.3060006@gmail.com> <20151219012445.GC2101@gmail.com> From: tim Message-ID: <5674C2AD.1030808@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 20:36:29 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151219012445.GC2101@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 02:36:33 -0000 Odd, I did install packaur, when I run a sudo pacman -Ss downgrade, I get, community/downgrade 5.1.5-1 [installed] Bash script for downgrading one or more packages to a version in your cache or the A.R.M. Wonder if it's in comunity now cause I installed pacaur and cower is installed. Again correct me if I am wrong! Thanks for the heads up. Solved, at least on this end. On 12/18/2015 07:24 PM, B. Henry wrote: > No, you are not correct about your first command. > Neither downgrade nor downgrader are in official repos. They are both found in the aur, so you must install them with an AUR helper such as packer or > yaourt if you have one, or get the downgrade or downgrader package and install it manually. > Then you can run one or the other of these to see available versions. > Alternatively you can go to the arch rollback, machine website and download old versions and install them with pacman, but it is well worth getting one > of the downgrade helpers, and for that matter I highly recommend one of the aur helpers that also double as pacman wrappers. > I use both packer and yaourt. > > From kyle4jesus@gmail.com Sat Dec 19 05:39:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C69F7648F for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 05:39:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id txN58ZciyCnD for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 05:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f180.google.com (mail-qk0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5582B762AB for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 05:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk0-f180.google.com with SMTP id k189so119819759qkc.0 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:39:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:in-reply-to:references:content-type :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vAiBVejzI/acg+PUgoRPCzXCqLcnvOc0qP1Jd1w/UYM=; b=sxRoCsD6Ufky0lXQSIIr7aN5jayrPYa15dwnoBYfJNG2gcBedSHmhr5J+cK14EamJk PetEAhgo1H81OUzxPG5XA5OT16z0vMEGDrd4926k2QCOXs2ZB2dvNs7YLsSpsUsWzX9R vxFXDm/ZaCzXBbaqshNr6LABY+fCjC5E4K1IcXTzXWrUsRm2avXcTzejI7/s676662bi lvHANer6KfC6GJlUUWimCIOBhnmD3e7IU/qJRJOIwBDCI7yU4ZFJcrizqMW+dnggPh9w wg9gfYGf4a6dCNU8wZDAwQWJGQCDu+A1Rbqajc4rGT7riKc5DBDEeZ7zw5xRs+zWg+nt PA1A== X-Received: by 10.55.204.211 with SMTP id n80mr10366264qkl.36.1450503578735; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from hummingboard ([71.69.198.142]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 93sm3707130qgx.16.2015.12.18.21.39.37 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Dec 2015 21:39:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1450503576.10143.2.camel@gmail.com> From: Kyle To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 00:39:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 05:39:38 -0000 In all the years I've used Espeak and upgraded it, I have found mispronunciations of phonemes, which is solved by restarting speech- dispatcher, but I have never seen this spelling and strange character numbering issue. My best guess is that something went wrong during the automated build process for the package. I am aware that something changed in the C++ compiler in Arch recently, and that this forced over a thousand packages to be updated over the course of the past week or two, which most likely filtered into Manjaro in an odd way. Aside from installing espeak-test from the AUR or downgrading the Espeak package, which have both been mentioned here, my only other recommendation would be to report the problem to the Manjaro team so that they can rebuild the package. If espeak-test works, then I can see no reason why the espeak package itself can't work after a rebuild and release with -5 release number. Hope this helps. Sent from my northern lights From vincent.legoff.srs@gmail.com Sat Dec 19 06:51:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2147648F for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 06:51:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l3nHjVnguBZk for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 06:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf0-f175.google.com (mail-pf0-f175.google.com [209.85.192.175]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75B8762AB for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 06:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf0-f175.google.com with SMTP id n128so42770751pfn.0 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 22:52:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=S7+EnEvM1K38hB7cZA29kCYbWoTlbGdDXrgs6JfvlrE=; b=Lo+uZfavqnQdQ7BTeK3Qrp1a/hnK75RJztKRRGklg9/m5uTkUCftRqPr8xJd8j4H0a QR8B08nQcU0vxjx8h2BzexpGmfpZacOArPxSx1Nm5x9Fjyuu/LZMLBz2pXITp6G6DSIX hi/sN98w7j/8R8tpTFkczAIOtyJxVdQKzMJ1aO2/8DfOIbOUh2KA5v5MrYiV2XMEGrJ2 uIGMrVWrh4vdxUYPpaVlSVPXO7LFEbRXVr2LxpEy4V8mI4EDX5Ri0dlRMZBQklneDGWM ZO/Bpz+QgHVjMnVQDgjj3qoDK+YQOhTAFDkciGQNWqPzcUYPVX+sxsOj/g2SM6bptSf3 1KaA== X-Received: by 10.98.73.71 with SMTP id w68mr112080pfa.138.1450507919228; Fri, 18 Dec 2015 22:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:201:c080:4747:41:cb4f:1d3b:60a8? ([2601:201:c080:4747:41:cb4f:1d3b:60a8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z65sm2256647pfa.63.2015.12.18.22.51.58 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Dec 2015 22:51:58 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list From: Vincent LE GOFF Message-ID: <5674FE7A.4090404@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 22:51:38 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Braille display keys X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 06:51:58 -0000 Hi everyone, I'm trying to have orca working with my Braille display and I've gone a step further down the path. BRLTTY is now up-to-date and, thanks to the project's developers, my Braille display is now fully supported. I can use the keys of the Braille display in console mode to browse through the window (or even type in it). But for some reason, this last part still doesn't work in Orca. I thought that Orca used BRLTTY (is that the same version I'm using in console? I would have thought so). The Braille display is recognized and the Braille is displayed when I activate the Braille in orca's preferences menu. But I can't use the Braille display keys to mavigate through the window, or type letters. Is it something I need to configure somehow? Thank you very much for your help, Vincent From halim.sahin@t-online.de Sat Dec 19 09:20:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E637684C for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 09:20:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0MB1BYRiD-Z3 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 09:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout08.t-online.de (mailout08.t-online.de [194.25.134.20]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518977648F for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 09:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fwd09.aul.t-online.de (fwd09.aul.t-online.de [172.20.27.151]) by mailout08.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id DDEE4602105 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 10:20:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from raspberrypi (EwWcF0ZVQhxsKhlLyTMa-oPT3m+Vjfj-378KheLXcRtrE9skHYQT1oVBrbtoKE0Z4l@[91.34.14.140]) by fwd09.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1aADgp-28Yfk80; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 10:20:35 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 10:20:33 +0100 From: Halim Sahin To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151219092033.GA17021@raspberrypi> References: <5674AD7C.70508@thefudge.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5674AD7C.70508@thefudge.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-ID: EwWcF0ZVQhxsKhlLyTMa-oPT3m+Vjfj-378KheLXcRtrE9skHYQT1oVBrbtoKE0Z4l X-TOI-MSGID: ecf1ffdc-90d6-435c-9684-a048ab6323e4 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 09:20:38 -0000 Hi, Are the python bindings of speech-dispatcher installed? Try to run a python3 intrerpreter and type import speechd If this prints errors the bindings are missing. HTH. Halim On Sa, Dez 19, 2015 at 12:06:04 +1100, Rob Whyte wrote: > Hi, > I recently installed PC-BSD with the Gnome Desktop Environment. > How ever I don't seem able to run Orca, the error is no speech server > available and the speech options are all greyed out. > > It is known issue go PC-BSD but I would like to know if it is also for > FreeBSD and if anyone has a known work-around. > > spd-say hello works, I configured speech-dispatcher to use oss and sound > on the Desktop also works. > > Thanks for any insight. > > Warm regards > Rob Whyte > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From krecoun@gmail.com Sat Dec 19 15:48:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E75E768D5 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:48:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iRI0s9vOrsaq for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f48.google.com (mail-wm0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9191C7684C for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f48.google.com with SMTP id l126so20357984wml.1 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 07:48:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sMGk3xajyEbTIqQduxyTErY3ltk2uHGTWPKE7qsdolk=; b=uQgGN+hdP9+/RHuead8e0yUTI0UL01ak5KwyMKk65K8m/+x31dLZdwCXm26GOqQtN7 OqoEgWGP57d6dPxGXKbnOASKsCX3XwHQ90x1h59gMpGt4gX1ys90jnlaRGjWV0FM7xp+ UTH7Cw6MQNm1VzMHIkXUsXfXc+q+uZeILlGiZ/7XoDTTGZqP7GVbtCVBF5NP6dBL1RYF /N/SabkujWnnO0QN2Ael+/W90kXSkMdqJRfq5kBOxNRlV+rHrcJFyP8o9OrRV0UNFqYL PijP2wEBRrOm946ttyBlpGsqaAllF9C81PlcAH18s0giIROM+8UHYAUxTJGYsBCcwfJD Iu0A== X-Received: by 10.194.88.10 with SMTP id bc10mr10453820wjb.49.1450540106763; Sat, 19 Dec 2015 07:48:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (ip-89-177-135-49.net.upcbroadband.cz. [89.177.135.49]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id g127sm11420625wmf.24.2015.12.19.07.48.25 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 19 Dec 2015 07:48:26 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= Message-ID: <56757C49.3060001@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:48:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] current state of Eclipse 4.4.2 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:48:26 -0000 Hi, I recently tried to do something in Eclipse 4.4.2. I am running Arch Linux and I heart that newer Eclipse has some problems with Orca. But now I have found that even this version has problems. If there is some submenu in menu, for example in Window menu the Open perspective submenu, only the first item is read and when moving with up and down arrows, nothing is announced. Can anyone reproduce this? What version of Eclipse is currently most accessible? 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[182.239.134.165]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id s67sm474601pfi.72.2015.12.19.20.34.15 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 19 Dec 2015 20:34:17 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5674AD7C.70508@thefudge.net> <20151219092033.GA17021@raspberrypi> From: Rob Whyte Message-ID: <56762FC2.40309@thefudge.net> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:34:10 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151219092033.GA17021@raspberrypi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 04:34:17 -0000 Thanks Hallim, No module found. That gives me a place to look. What is the package or port called to install the bindings? thanks Rob On 19/12/15 20:20, Halim Sahin wrote: > Hi, > Are the python bindings of speech-dispatcher installed? > Try to run a python3 intrerpreter and type > import speechd > If this prints errors the bindings are missing. > HTH. > Halim > > On Sa, Dez 19, 2015 at 12:06:04 +1100, Rob Whyte wrote: >> Hi, >> I recently installed PC-BSD with the Gnome Desktop Environment. >> How ever I don't seem able to run Orca, the error is no speech server >> available and the speech options are all greyed out. >> >> It is known issue go PC-BSD but I would like to know if it is also for >> FreeBSD and if anyone has a known work-around. >> >> spd-say hello works, I configured speech-dispatcher to use oss and sound >> on the Desktop also works. >> >> Thanks for any insight. >> >> Warm regards >> Rob Whyte >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From halim.sahin@t-online.de Sun Dec 20 08:03:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9712476357 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 08:03:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rWsieChVLf-f for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 08:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout07.t-online.de (mailout07.t-online.de [194.25.134.83]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49036762C3 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 08:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fwd13.aul.t-online.de (fwd13.aul.t-online.de [172.20.27.62]) by mailout07.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FCFA2E9F04 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 09:03:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from raspberrypi (rPUp16ZZrhvx+QlE8aQ2A9tmh484e0LZSlN2zCv--YF-wVuA9bGFezaXpr1IRM2Z3R@[91.34.30.244]) by fwd13.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1aAYxt-3yh4KG0; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 09:03:37 +0100 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 09:03:33 +0100 From: Halim Sahin To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151220080333.GA2918@raspberrypi> References: <5674AD7C.70508@thefudge.net> <20151219092033.GA17021@raspberrypi> <56762FC2.40309@thefudge.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56762FC2.40309@thefudge.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-ID: rPUp16ZZrhvx+QlE8aQ2A9tmh484e0LZSlN2zCv--YF-wVuA9bGFezaXpr1IRM2Z3R X-TOI-MSGID: c90caccb-fb7b-4743-9735-77458975da69 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 08:03:47 -0000 Hi, On So, Dez 20, 2015 at 03:34:10 +1100, Rob Whyte wrote: > What is the package or port called to install the bindings? I am not familiar with freeBSD but it's called python-speechd or python3.speechd in Linux. HTH. Halim > thanks > Rob > > > On 19/12/15 20:20, Halim Sahin wrote: > > Hi, > > Are the python bindings of speech-dispatcher installed? > > Try to run a python3 intrerpreter and type > > import speechd > > If this prints errors the bindings are missing. > > HTH. > > Halim > > > > On Sa, Dez 19, 2015 at 12:06:04 +1100, Rob Whyte wrote: > >> Hi, > >> I recently installed PC-BSD with the Gnome Desktop Environment. > >> How ever I don't seem able to run Orca, the error is no speech server > >> available and the speech options are all greyed out. > >> > >> It is known issue go PC-BSD but I would like to know if it is also for > >> FreeBSD and if anyone has a known work-around. > >> > >> spd-say hello works, I configured speech-dispatcher to use oss and sound > >> on the Desktop also works. > >> > >> Thanks for any insight. > >> > >> Warm regards > >> Rob Whyte > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From fudge@thefudge.net Sun Dec 20 08:50:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6520763D7 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 08:50:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.935 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ofhRMRzsfyOY for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 08:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f51.google.com (mail-pa0-f51.google.com [209.85.220.51]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF702762C3 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 08:50:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id wq6so83474550pac.1 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 00:50:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thefudge-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:references:to:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ucp2hLH0W2jhgNRq7043Kz+t3BBIprebGG6V0XERBr8=; b=LUYEzK3KzIUuGJgW1DbhssXqwP/ivoXvzmSzj5cdwfC2umgRcILDx1C+1ElUxBPE3V T8VHG2BosGISJV3csd4KTlTdMqKQo34cLAc4+9G5NaehoWDG8Yk+5nOd6fzBkIB4r/sP sadt5p2Y3qU26pJbvem6yaFSp35oH0N30Lks6s4GV2WkKp9Xau8MQEhZMD26yxUYMMqQ sR1ZI2TokQRQP1QA7PdDbOoLiT9JaTupGgMLvTj747StmW6kCA184hio176/V4fvoAjY JtgtT4ux50XG1VH9wnTeC9meJnya5fGTL41Ym3KTm1yzp+T5vCdzS52GNM0U/wl2OdQC nYjQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:references:to:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ucp2hLH0W2jhgNRq7043Kz+t3BBIprebGG6V0XERBr8=; b=XVwSqSVL138kyXM53DgoodzDIwWiN1PqTTb+WqXOmJQAfkeG6au4drcHUQWIXwxeag AO6yUWuB0l5F2oWYvXbMijzOOPLp5ohWJA0IA9xAB7fQutINYxgfek1282zrc13F4oGo jeZ8aCfPgdhrZni4ApGGhAa6lw8I4ZLQJz8JAQkEl9wEri/arB/dIa/k/xfJ2Pr5N49f klemD3gUBwl5HuvAIGX+X106mCsOO1xaxvtU8FrpQbAq5wOSXhHhnoyomOXgihLfRYSu N0nHwnaZ7ko7z449nlPVxSLJnTovxGGfpXWutKu0FR4+1+ZjwBQQ0yjPbNH1GqkVm8n/ Efpg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmKiuo3tOILB7ysdl9ytsaQJVxXYJm/kiLoJCkxO6hpxaRsTyCAdHx4uW+4V1B8BxkpwAjNQpCnQP7v+6GOHczTirBB3w== X-Received: by 10.66.216.200 with SMTP id os8mr18505770pac.143.1450601426143; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 00:50:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.10.10.41] (182-239-134-165.ip.adam.com.au. [182.239.134.165]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r193sm27587856pfr.65.2015.12.20.00.50.24 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Dec 2015 00:50:25 -0800 (PST) References: <5674AD7C.70508@thefudge.net> <20151219092033.GA17021@raspberrypi> <56762FC2.40309@thefudge.net> <20151220080333.GA2918@raspberrypi> To: orca-list From: Rob Whyte Message-ID: <56766BCB.7090708@thefudge.net> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 19:50:19 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151220080333.GA2918@raspberrypi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 08:50:26 -0000 Hi Halim, i'll let you know when I figure out for future reference. Thanks for the steer in the righ tdirection. cheers Rob On 20/12/15 19:03, Halim Sahin wrote: > Hi, > On So, Dez 20, 2015 at 03:34:10 +1100, Rob Whyte wrote: >> What is the package or port called to install the bindings? > I am not familiar with freeBSD but it's called python-speechd or > python3.speechd in Linux. > HTH. > Halim > >> thanks >> Rob >> >> >> On 19/12/15 20:20, Halim Sahin wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Are the python bindings of speech-dispatcher installed? >>> Try to run a python3 intrerpreter and type >>> import speechd >>> If this prints errors the bindings are missing. >>> HTH. >>> Halim >>> >>> On Sa, Dez 19, 2015 at 12:06:04 +1100, Rob Whyte wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> I recently installed PC-BSD with the Gnome Desktop Environment. >>>> How ever I don't seem able to run Orca, the error is no speech server >>>> available and the speech options are all greyed out. >>>> >>>> It is known issue go PC-BSD but I would like to know if it is also for >>>> FreeBSD and if anyone has a known work-around. >>>> >>>> spd-say hello works, I configured speech-dispatcher to use oss and sound >>>> on the Desktop also works. >>>> >>>> Thanks for any insight. >>>> >>>> Warm regards >>>> Rob Whyte >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From vilmar@informal.com.br Sun Dec 20 09:49:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8DA763D7 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 09:49:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0zo8Rgtap2HO for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 09:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rot02c3.mail.alog.com.br (rot02c3.mail.alog.com.br [177.126.164.19]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B263576078 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 09:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rot02c3.mail.alog.com.br (LSOS-MTA) with ESMTP id 3pNfKj2JFMz76VT for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 09:49:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Scanned by LSOS-Amavis at rot02c3 X-Spam-Threshold: 5.0 X-Spam-Scanned-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 09:49:45 +0000 X-Spam-Host: rot02c3.mail.alog.com.br X-Spam-System: LSOS-SA X-Spam-LSOS-Flag: NO X-Spam-Relay-Country: X-Spam-Languages: X-Spam-ASN: X-Spam-DCC: X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-RBLs: [200.150.145.4] [5 smtp-in-c1.mail.alog.com.br.] X-Spam-Detail: * -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP Received: from rot02c3.mail.alog.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rot02c3.mail.alog.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (LSOS-Amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2dgIB-quISmI for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 09:49:42 +0000 (UTC) X-WhiteBlackList-Status: undef X-WhiteBlackList-Status: undef Received: from [192.168.0.108] (unknown [189.60.57.17]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by rot02c3.mail.alog.com.br (LSOS-MTA) with ESMTPA id 3pNfKd4plJz76Vy; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 09:49:41 +0000 (UTC) References: <56757C49.3060001@gmail.com> To: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= , orca-list From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica LTDA Message-ID: <56767A19.1010200@informal.com.br> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 07:51:21 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56757C49.3060001@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] current state of Eclipse 4.4.2 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 09:49:47 -0000 Hi Vojtěch. I found the same problem running orca compiled from master. The problem is not present for me If I use orca 3.18.2. What version of orca are you using? I will investigate and report what I find on the list. Thanks. On 12/19/2015 01:48 PM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: > Hi, > I recently tried to do something in Eclipse 4.4.2. I am running Arch > Linux and I heart that newer Eclipse has some problems with Orca. But > now I have found that even this version has problems. If there is some > submenu in menu, for example in Window menu the Open perspective > submenu, only the first item is read and when moving with up and down > arrows, nothing is announced. > Can anyone reproduce this? > What version of Eclipse is currently most accessible? > Thanks, > Vojta > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza From krecoun@gmail.com Sun Dec 20 11:42:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE3A763D7 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:42:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XG0EYBA60Dk8 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f41.google.com (mail-wm0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8C476357 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:42:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f41.google.com with SMTP id p187so36950512wmp.0 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 03:42:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:to:from:message-id:disposition-notification-to :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=sum0kXgjK01s/aFZBhijYHeZ2B1DxH1vKI4J2XsYGx0=; b=z6TA9WIBEOHJ1MJBqjQms/bL9vQsFA15ARvfpXPwV1cGvfp6Jbn+YzfAVIux/ndTUj MDn1zNKIyZbyL9zqwjU2R0HABBSLSCRF9ABB13wW+2LM/eWIBOKF0POH6BChLNBWJ5XD T8phePBcO+yuqQnJc8SwjhndecVeXjD3PmnLIfXl9klC1cQEdn9nCs5eT/eTtxT3Ix71 ucMLjfmVItIjkkCL4LwqaQ+xv3I9dLlOk82nlf/zPiiuL0bYoUAHwtsHl1yJDyQh1A2l birQMfEnlpH3BI8XE+L7fopeZbJRF0qL9YFA/48tgN1RYNumdh5dWb7uEdbjNnLc1iyE 8CnQ== X-Received: by 10.194.200.134 with SMTP id js6mr16745681wjc.114.1450611756213; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 03:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (ip-89-177-135-49.net.upcbroadband.cz. [89.177.135.49]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id cw3sm23124943wjb.26.2015.12.20.03.42.35 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Dec 2015 03:42:35 -0800 (PST) References: <56757C49.3060001@gmail.com> <56767A19.1010200@informal.com.br> To: orca-list From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= Message-ID: <5676942A.50200@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 12:42:34 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56767A19.1010200@informal.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] current state of Eclipse 4.4.2 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:42:36 -0000 Hi, I am running Orca 3.19.4-pre from master. Thanks, Vojta Dne 20.12.2015 v 10:51 José Vilmar Estácio de Souza napsal(a): > Hi Vojtěch. > > I found the same problem running orca compiled from master. > The problem is not present for me If I use orca 3.18.2. > What version of orca are you using? > I will investigate and report what I find on the list. > Thanks. > > > On 12/19/2015 01:48 PM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: >> Hi, >> I recently tried to do something in Eclipse 4.4.2. I am running Arch >> Linux and I heart that newer Eclipse has some problems with Orca. But >> now I have found that even this version has problems. If there is some >> submenu in menu, for example in Window menu the Open perspective >> submenu, only the first item is read and when moving with up and down >> arrows, nothing is announced. >> Can anyone reproduce this? >> What version of Eclipse is currently most accessible? >> Thanks, >> Vojta >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From vincent.legoff.srs@gmail.com Mon Dec 21 06:13:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CC176A68 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 06:13:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nZGIa9QxOXW0 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 06:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf0-f177.google.com (mail-pf0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747C076569 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 06:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 78so10200270pfw.2 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:13:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uWGUPb3DfeR9gY7vpcKbd3WsuuxZnGkzqi4Nqf70MBg=; b=fNeOCcwRe4ee9RdwzMnl0B71vjRh9a2NZ5zo9xczqqvMgAMImTxaKNkuaFrevQnwoI Q/jPSJUEGY1A7mJtmVKZtEOXg5oFNFkyDxdaqsf1hLSdmGLb+71HvL2vVKaSYSWIb43M OhT8XmjzYCRGOS1rZpGMcqYY5fc45OZdFuMXppVk2wEP97UxF5whPCEeOKrD0eWEdKxf UAVf7ysZmU4iRKMUGRoF75x9XRvU/V/eWonXey25xBMPdnpqbGoaEDSP1tynMEZixBgu cRd5trDE22I31XC5na5QR9xnh2z7IpfYUYpdaALE0z53gNPtkg+cR5ehiBrZ+PuOcgTl 1VgA== X-Received: by 10.98.14.217 with SMTP id 86mr24665134pfo.101.1450678438069; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:201:c080:4747:41:cb4f:1d3b:60a8? ([2601:201:c080:4747:41:cb4f:1d3b:60a8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id by2sm36357862pab.20.2015.12.20.22.13.56 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:13:57 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list References: <5674FE7A.4090404@gmail.com> From: Vincent LE GOFF Message-ID: <567798A3.80009@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:13:55 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5674FE7A.4090404@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Braille display keys X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 06:13:57 -0000 Hi, I answer to my own message, because it might help others. My Braille display keys didn't work because I had configured BRLTTY to skip blank lines and skip identical lines. Therefore, my navigation keys were connected to BRLTTY commands that Orca didn't interpret. I turned off these options and the keys work perfectly well. Hope that helps, Vincent On 12/18/2015 10:51 PM, Vincent LE GOFF wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm trying to have orca working with my Braille display and I've gone > a step further down the path. BRLTTY is now up-to-date and, thanks to > the project's developers, my Braille display is now fully supported. > I can use the keys of the Braille display in console mode to browse > through the window (or even type in it). > > But for some reason, this last part still doesn't work in Orca. I > thought that Orca used BRLTTY (is that the same version I'm using in > console? I would have thought so). The Braille display is recognized > and the Braille is displayed when I activate the Braille in orca's > preferences menu. But I can't use the Braille display keys to > mavigate through the window, or type letters. Is it something I need > to configure somehow? > > Thank you very much for your help, > > Vincent From vincent.legoff.srs@gmail.com Mon Dec 21 06:21:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD047693C for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 06:21:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PcNQUEbzBnST for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 06:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f54.google.com (mail-pa0-f54.google.com [209.85.220.54]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BF776569 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 06:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id wq6so94296525pac.1 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:21:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=treYCZ2S4xoALTnjH3RdAeg/OgkIq3pmx7XsO+sXhM0=; b=lHkFX9okqwkG8/txJApHPER/B/JcOXGh7Uq+iRT/3JTLmvvxwRItouYM+k7BnCQWg9 dLLMeIh7NNo56+DcOt9lb0r8Xu+Mh5YNUQE1wLi05izBS99iwHvvsjdXv2RPBuOrGHsl ssDK1K2OMAz80CsxVlw07ovZAlwrCe5Ncx3a8nCRckb2BaaaLrPaT/933H9sizU9H+BE /u9d0/0P7imFQrza+8AHIsm5UQF2PWkL2JQjBJtVGQ8HZFB2A85lxhDQ2rvbTQYpOX5r vLmyGpEPlmeaqERo2dFH9pwJ8s7vJp1nOtsY4Q1mjz0sh1D1rTMvyGsjYnlpo7bfGZoS 208A== X-Received: by 10.66.158.193 with SMTP id ww1mr24478189pab.21.1450678918044; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:21:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:201:c080:4747:41:cb4f:1d3b:60a8? ([2601:201:c080:4747:41:cb4f:1d3b:60a8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 79sm31936787pfk.33.2015.12.20.22.21.57 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:21:57 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list From: Vincent LE GOFF Message-ID: <56779A84.7050409@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:21:56 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Several modifier keys at once X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 06:21:57 -0000 Hi everyone, Sorry if this topic has been discussed earlier. I couldn't find it in the archive but I imagine this proposal was made before. Wouldn't it be nice to have several active modifier keys at once? In most cases, key bindings are scattered along the keyboard. Pressing CAPLOCK + T to have the time is simple enough, the keys are quite close, but when using CAPLOCK in combination with other farther keys, it requires both hands. Okay, that's not a real problem, but it would be nice, I think, to have several modifier keys at once. To this end, I suggest that: * In the preferences, the combo box to select a modifier key be replaced by a list of checkboxes that one could check on or off : * In configuring key bindings, Orca would identify a modifier key (that is, when entering a new key binding for a command, that Orca transforms Insert or CAPLOCK or KP Insert into the Orca modifier key). Doing so would allow a user to access one command through different key combinations. I don't know whether this suggestion is very useful. Remapping gestures so the closer modifier key is used is possible, after all, but I find it nice to have a choice regarding the possible modifier keys. What do you think of this suggestion, (P>S> ; if there is a regular place to make suggestion, like an official BTS, my most sincere apologies.) Vincent From covici@ccs.covici.com Mon Dec 21 07:21:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE927693C for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:21:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QWFEsFdVg3kP for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail0200.smtp25.com (mail0200.smtp25.com [174.37.170.200]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A59E76569 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.14.8) with ESMTP id tBL7L68F003894; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 02:21:06 -0500 From: covici@ccs.covici.com To: Vincent LE GOFF In-reply-to: <567798A3.80009@gmail.com> References: <5674FE7A.4090404@gmail.com> <567798A3.80009@gmail.com> Comments: In-reply-to Vincent LE GOFF message dated "Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:13:55 -0800." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.5; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3892.1450682466.1@ccs.covici.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 02:21:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3893.1450682466@ccs.covici.com> X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 X-SpamH-Filter: s-out-001.smtp25.com-tBL7L77E006575 Cc: orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Braille display keys X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:21:08 -0000 I am in that situation as well, so thanks for the hint, I do like those options in a text console, however, so it would be nice if orca could be adjusted. Vincent LE GOFF wrote: > Hi, > = > I answer to my own message, because it might help others. My Braille > display keys didn't work because I had configured BRLTTY to skip blank > lines and skip identical lines. Therefore, my navigation keys were > connected to BRLTTY commands that Orca didn't interpret. I turned off > these options and the keys work perfectly well. > = > Hope that helps, > = > Vincent > = > On 12/18/2015 10:51 PM, Vincent LE GOFF wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I'm trying to have orca working with my Braille display and I've > > gone a step further down the path. BRLTTY is now up-to-date and, > > thanks to the project's developers, my Braille display is now fully > > supported. I can use the keys of the Braille display in console > > mode to browse through the window (or even type in it). > > > > But for some reason, this last part still doesn't work in Orca. I > > thought that Orca used BRLTTY (is that the same version I'm using in > > console? I would have thought so). The Braille display is > > recognized and the Braille is displayed when I activate the Braille > > in orca's preferences menu. But I can't use the Braille display > > keys to mavigate through the window, or type letters. Is it > > something I need to configure somehow? > > > > Thank you very much for your help, > > > > Vincent > = > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/st= able/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > = -- = Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From fhfbotelho@gmail.com Mon Dec 21 15:01:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361C076A05 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:01:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pmY-jp7demZh for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f52.google.com (mail-qg0-f52.google.com [209.85.192.52]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B8E7693F for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 74so40039556qgh.1 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:01:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:reply-to:subject:references:to:from:organization:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RbzF5gGIaVSbQB0FLrBH/oM5PabaNlTqYd1EOdYauWw=; b=w0UKuc10kDyXA/PomTSaWNTl5NLW8vFttve4ZiZ2K80vcB6JkJZDlatVZwW1TSLVDg FCvgx9sGdjSro8KvpZKQz7Iy4wfq1GzxIrUXD4jxvLTFtxiMBW8GlIm3ycb4cc+ydxCN GPG9HyrxDQo/Ra7bGd6XqYai4oAEh8H4a84BAQTArYVErf96MQ2VC1X1/d8FOaxJe1cA 1trl8OD+qcSd+3V2LqCX+KXFuOHNlZP2Vk+4bwM+qDcnRPnlKr6gM+38gjjT88T5HwnU i7ICaGJ4maWK1C/sdksvpQP1trMEocUju1UOuGYeNZpSrgHTCh0VGpABCG84aQNRXw2T wvCA== X-Received: by 10.140.134.198 with SMTP id 189mr27142145qhg.58.1450710102248; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.100.9] ([177.92.53.128]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id j206sm13741230qhj.2.2015.12.21.07.01.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:01:40 -0800 (PST) Sender: Fernando Botelho References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> <1450503576.10143.2.camel@gmail.com> To: Kyle , orca-list@gnome.org From: Fernando Botelho Organization: F123 Message-ID: <56781452.4060409@F123.org> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:01:38 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1450503576.10143.2.camel@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fernando.Botelho@F123.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:01:42 -0000 Does anyone know if espeak was fixed on ARCH/Manjaro? i.e. if it is safe to update distros once again? Thanks, Fernando On 12/19/2015 03:39 AM, Kyle wrote: > In all the years I've used Espeak and upgraded it, I have found > mispronunciations of phonemes, which is solved by restarting speech- > dispatcher, but I have never seen this spelling and strange character > numbering issue. My best guess is that something went wrong during the > automated build process for the package. I am aware that something > changed in the C++ compiler in Arch recently, and that this forced over > a thousand packages to be updated over the course of the past week or > two, which most likely filtered into Manjaro in an odd way. Aside from > installing espeak-test from the AUR or downgrading the Espeak package, > which have both been mentioned here, my only other recommendation would > be to report the problem to the Manjaro team so that they can rebuild > the package. If espeak-test works, then I can see no reason why the > espeak package itself can't work after a rebuild and release with -5 > release number. Hope this helps. > > Sent from my northern lights > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From burt1iband@gmail.com Mon Dec 21 17:58:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2B3769D1 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:58:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0d2bDPNWYsk2 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f41.google.com (mail-oi0-f41.google.com [209.85.218.41]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B5C76907 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f41.google.com with SMTP id o124so95615844oia.1 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 09:58:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=5BZvdYsA8N04iaE459cMhRgLMn17SCeHpSj7p0DvUTs=; b=QQbXihEf9jLWyAp48S1YkWkfTjs53gZ6bpq617RC+c493GlrRaMBQYb+WqcurmV0mX JTovYwxsQdx7ZyYXYZh293Rax/pzr/KUgsjucADW+8+d1bbWIrN5G9eF8BX9ItwbrYEJ 3rZXyBtYhumgeAqEgAhU59X0ufGZujiYNt/qqapZCB1g44fl+URCT8kQ2vYsk6zQjhV+ 48Ks1oOkcMJYKvCj+vBjogW+1/YphwgwXb8S6tv4NOdKXa9URjgEbolLAuFhEemf/eC+ n//6p9ElRjRyN1tqG/W95DiE+601c2Fi9rdCYc498EFlqdlZrygNyjOsbhnC+yXQAW4f qr4w== X-Received: by 10.202.102.228 with SMTP id m97mr8078812oik.49.1450720715770; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 09:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.95.169]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 133sm4533785oid.5.2015.12.21.09.58.34 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Dec 2015 09:58:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:54:50 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: Fernando Botelho , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151221175450.GA4253@gmail.com> References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> <1450503576.10143.2.camel@gmail.com> <56781452.4060409@F123.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56781452.4060409@F123.org> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 17:58:36 -0000 I just assumed that people had actually seen an espeak upgrade come through, probably when those many packages all updated as Kyle mentioned. Well, I just checked and there has been no espeak update this year. I still have the same espeak package that I installed when I first installed arch on this box in Febuary. Any odd behavior must be caused by an interaction with other components and not espeak itself. As I mentioned in another post I think he oddity I noticed has not reoccured after a day or perhaps more of strange behavior like not pronouncing the first character of many words and spelling out others. I do not have the dates written down, but on the tenth of this month, Dec., portaudio updated. Also libpulse updated on the same day, both ar espeak deps. I think this is an interaction with pulse and or portaudio. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Fernando Botelho wrote: Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 01:01:38PM -0200 > Does anyone know if espeak was fixed on ARCH/Manjaro? i.e. if it is safe to > update distros once again? > > Thanks, > > Fernando > > > On 12/19/2015 03:39 AM, Kyle wrote: > >In all the years I've used Espeak and upgraded it, I have found > >mispronunciations of phonemes, which is solved by restarting speech- > >dispatcher, but I have never seen this spelling and strange character > >numbering issue. My best guess is that something went wrong during the > >automated build process for the package. I am aware that something > >changed in the C++ compiler in Arch recently, and that this forced over > >a thousand packages to be updated over the course of the past week or > >two, which most likely filtered into Manjaro in an odd way. Aside from > >installing espeak-test from the AUR or downgrading the Espeak package, > >which have both been mentioned here, my only other recommendation would > >be to report the problem to the Manjaro team so that they can rebuild > >the package. If espeak-test works, then I can see no reason why the > >espeak package itself can't work after a rebuild and release with -5 > >release number. Hope this helps. > > > >Sent from my northern lights > >_______________________________________________ > >orca-list mailing list > >orca-list@gnome.org > >https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > >Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From burt1iband@gmail.com Mon Dec 21 18:01:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3D9769D1 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:01:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tsnk2E5NA2T1 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f49.google.com (mail-oi0-f49.google.com [209.85.218.49]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AD376907 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f49.google.com with SMTP id y66so95791986oig.0 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:01:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=J81HqV+KXMd0C2+9NgWhByMaZquzatlwMRdeo0+kvWU=; b=ksousXwo/kHjhRMjD/QNE3pqX2lEmicCykCkPdAV4bBhjzDZNkFja6XRbndswlCNfF koz0TTyUwmLnmqTMcQeGc8tWn1tkaxV8JZhILSNAn6pDdif/K8Px4t9Rf2jUwu2XDGmr kGY2tn8yoBQxycu+HtXrb/ccvnOkdRvbHeLGVevCrathxSsn+g6zXR8XteC0OpuwAzXx 7AuHuvByb4//VWJbGIEAgfV5DgYugv6LRAE3hnNDGXtH4zigUTRzNhdP+ek6fMJowfvt UpETuTf8kVgnsJpsJjbzw8oBaUxWeiw7UgyY/1r6f0iBg9bkSa78FYxUOR088ppKG+tF arBQ== X-Received: by 10.202.186.198 with SMTP id k189mr7771196oif.105.1450720882820; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.95.169]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id wu6sm4783497obb.16.2015.12.21.10.01.21 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:01:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:57:42 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151221175742.GB4253@gmail.com> References: <56737903.80804@gmail.com> <1450503576.10143.2.camel@gmail.com> <56781452.4060409@F123.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56781452.4060409@F123.org> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak weirdness in arch? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:01:23 -0000 So to answer your question, I'd not have told anyone to not update their systems anyway, and the odd behavior went away on arch for me. I'd test on F123, but it's on a dual boot box that does not want to boot in to f123 since I installed the other distro. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Fernando Botelho wrote: Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 01:01:38PM -0200 > Does anyone know if espeak was fixed on ARCH/Manjaro? i.e. if it is safe to > update distros once again? > > Thanks, > > Fernando > > > On 12/19/2015 03:39 AM, Kyle wrote: > >In all the years I've used Espeak and upgraded it, I have found > >mispronunciations of phonemes, which is solved by restarting speech- > >dispatcher, but I have never seen this spelling and strange character > >numbering issue. My best guess is that something went wrong during the > >automated build process for the package. I am aware that something > >changed in the C++ compiler in Arch recently, and that this forced over > >a thousand packages to be updated over the course of the past week or > >two, which most likely filtered into Manjaro in an odd way. Aside from > >installing espeak-test from the AUR or downgrading the Espeak package, > >which have both been mentioned here, my only other recommendation would > >be to report the problem to the Manjaro team so that they can rebuild > >the package. If espeak-test works, then I can see no reason why the > >espeak package itself can't work after a rebuild and release with -5 > >release number. Hope this helps. > > > >Sent from my northern lights > >_______________________________________________ > >orca-list mailing list > >orca-list@gnome.org > >https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > >Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > >GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > >Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From westes575@gmail.com Mon Dec 21 18:21:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF2F769D7 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:21:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MC2rth0LyZcP for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f169.google.com (mail-qk0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5391276907 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk0-f169.google.com with SMTP id p187so140088401qkd.1 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:21:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=TMSaZICjVeo0cF2kwf4acCrPtEyLO7JilBMcdY6idmg=; b=t1G1M2OqOpQmPSguqVaVFv79sbMwmZARMUHYEUFV6tK42CvHTtAt7e/xta7I9TcdUq OdISjq8H3tS5TOR70mlGk3W+NIZYTEQDKuzt3iTCRPk209tKoV8MbE8rB9OCqAo5szz3 4C3LEjYeNh1iw5np7eLiYOwV7N3pYvqdvwoVU5Q1XbrLAOm9RpixwA1KerQXX4FLP0Uu MGLJYT3wTYTLqjhwUnMxBUJGhLqvRhgVB9LUKXITHRCHOZymc3OrPguPil264GMdqSYP wfLFDJb3cRke960F5Kt7tg7lzwyLSFNer0KvPTo3veYRdItsTJeKcznD22GRJuXJZO5X agfg== X-Received: by 10.55.74.197 with SMTP id x188mr27099048qka.104.1450722078578; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from thomas ([96.91.151.174]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e11sm14554009qkb.39.2015.12.21.10.21.16 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:21:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:21:13 -0500 From: Will Estes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151221182113.GC13194@thomas> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Subject: [orca-list] screen sharing options X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:21:18 -0000 I need to be able to do a couple of related things: * Share my screen -- or preferrably just an application window or two -- with co-workers. * Join to a session where someone else's screen is being shared. I don't need to have any access to the information they're sharing, if that makes things easier--I can always get any presentations involved later, or if we're meeting to work together, then I can talk to them through the audio portion of the meeting. As a part of that, I'd need to be able to send and receive sound through the mic/speakers as well. What options do we have that play well with orca? Thus far, I've come up with nothing that works. -- Will Estes westes575@gmail.com From burt1iband@gmail.com Mon Dec 21 18:34:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38BC769D7 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:34:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vsS8aDxuihRA for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD8B76907 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id bx1so11479123obb.0 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:34:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=UcHj28XhYYS6/Qo4Ev3CWETUjyvvwSom4UPFKgjn+/c=; b=HfL6Z6gZxES8UbUpp+L4CQvoj+FMMpb0eqmH3gI9iEQdwmI5xccpF0Hfs9Gdea/Tvs AGlfKaUXmwcmtEoslTUtFkT205j/se20ULlua3SBotZ5uKK06BZHWFEJO68a0QA8K/JG HCNAwdlr4Ot5dR/DtSdaKuBAqeeEXzQunIKOMs+d+Jh76YqpPmvBSkw1wpfKnOepvBKp 36t4P9ubEJovS3Q62KellE5NeOEMvdqxroZD9I1K6ctEvxgCRbEZVe6uasERGzZWmOmV 5oRUPZM2DK14/1KaIA7LJCpUFcpTPVaNBfHFu8rDRUQTzs+OU2ywFFLbqv2Q0hdXp5Hc AAMw== X-Received: by 10.182.65.5 with SMTP id t5mr6206015obs.28.1450722849501; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:34:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.95.169]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x8sm4641135oia.29.2015.12.21.10.34.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:34:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 12:30:25 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: Will Estes , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151221183025.GC4253@gmail.com> References: <20151221182113.GC13194@thomas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20151221182113.GC13194@thomas> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] screen sharing options X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:34:09 -0000 Well, you would have no access to anything being shared using skype, but everything else works, text chat best with an external helper program however. I have never had a reson to try and share my desktop via skype, but think it would be no problem. Of course skype only allows group calls/video chats of up to 9 or 10 persons with a standard acount I think. There is some kind of business account that allows conference calls with more people, but I know no details. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Will Estes wrote: Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 01:21:13PM -0500 > I need to be able to do a couple of related things: > > * Share my screen -- or preferrably just an application window or two -- with co-workers. > > * Join to a session where someone else's screen is being shared. I don't need to have any access to the information they're sharing, if that makes things easier--I can always get any presentations involved later, or if we're meeting to work together, then I can talk to them through the audio portion of the meeting. > > As a part of that, I'd need to be able to send and receive sound through the mic/speakers as well. > > What options do we have that play well with orca? Thus far, I've come up with nothing that works. > > -- > Will Estes > westes575@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From westes575@gmail.com Mon Dec 21 18:37:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204D8769D7 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:37:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I18XF0VpJqit for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f178.google.com (mail-yk0-f178.google.com [209.85.160.178]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E40C76907 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f178.google.com with SMTP id x184so139702586yka.3 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:37:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=noCiu2mG0p2V5P6on40ko/9hwF8giW1t9CApt5FKHCU=; b=Td8GSeH0V0PuXJTH/vrfmolwwiv1Fpbll1Ajh6rm2VK9ttfkXRtijho9GrEDTutUUK CBcrHyAVDP+NPF8bIwJb2/PnlfMLfO9pMqSh6Y9YcouVsnANfDu6A3C2uvd+jGyWuk2y CzDpW/8TIthRCoGQVDs5Be+e8DEHLnN6TFxnm+FE/ptxjfnGdTc2hm/TS+W08Hwp1y9H UyvqZ1HInBnnHGkd3y3RwmPfPTPlNgsOk4m2/XnFFil0erBk49N/L8JyJFA6mLqmKn8n H6wXcfmuI1/Jvq6MxG1Uqxro2BOiAk5JRz7P1wZO34yt57tbpFXr/okFmS9YBr0M65Ka GbDg== X-Received: by 10.129.87.81 with SMTP id l78mr15689437ywb.149.1450723030032; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:37:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from thomas ([96.91.151.174]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n3sm22573933ywe.20.2015.12.21.10.37.08 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:37:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:37:06 -0500 From: Will Estes To: "B. Henry" Message-ID: <20151221183706.GD13194@thomas> Mail-Followup-To: "B. Henry" , orca-list@gnome.org References: <20151221182113.GC13194@thomas> <20151221183025.GC4253@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20151221183025.GC4253@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] screen sharing options X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:37:09 -0000 Is that through the official client only? I've recently switched to using pidgin with the skypeweb plugin because that setup handles group chats much better. On Monday, 21 December 2015, 12:30 pm -0600, "B. Henry" wrote: > Well, you would have no access to anything being shared using skype, but everything else works, text chat best with an external helper program however. > I have never had a reson to try and share my desktop via skype, but think it would be no problem. > Of course skype only allows group calls/video chats of up to 9 or 10 persons with a standard acount I think. There is some kind of business account that > allows conference calls with more people, but I know no details. > > > > -- > B.H. > Registerd Linux User 521886 > > > Will Estes wrote: > Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 01:21:13PM -0500 > > > I need to be able to do a couple of related things: > > > > * Share my screen -- or preferrably just an application window or two -- with co-workers. > > > > * Join to a session where someone else's screen is being shared. I don't need to have any access to the information they're sharing, if that makes things easier--I can always get any presentations involved later, or if we're meeting to work together, then I can talk to them through the audio portion of the meeting. > > > > As a part of that, I'd need to be able to send and receive sound through the mic/speakers as well. > > > > What options do we have that play well with orca? Thus far, I've come up with nothing that works. > > > > -- > > Will Estes > > westes575@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- Will Estes westes575@gmail.com From burt1iband@gmail.com Mon Dec 21 19:23:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6234476A05 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:23:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A1klqHVAwtMh for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:23:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f53.google.com (mail-oi0-f53.google.com [209.85.218.53]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E78F769D7 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:23:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f53.google.com with SMTP id o124so96814540oia.1 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:23:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=RE+jWEDNKiFwfHT7hNAgbXEG4ZImFYGaeLSClpihgcw=; b=gXc+2FVIbVxDVhJOxcAwY7xPz6h/2WHRIbdyL92cUPhrNno4zQexHwMTf7x1Q0hkaG XGYyLdMJjJ43/2ebQJ4pU4zvado3rDxA4pDvkzmkHB6pyhp9wzJRTOSthpFr/R+XUXZs FUMM8lmwN05WUFalMxqMT/SISEZgQYSY+gX32WSLGXU6pnvNzSSSyiFLUrA/qt+pvH/2 v1e7SQhQMLZ21csWbz67xNhNgj6pStIzGD00MXjsxvdSWysawWIez8/Vw07ZcwVoiXPs KFrWq5EwTCdt+1lpPIPVtXmmDk4dYpz8CXtA2t2HYc+iuQUytaIqH9b2fDkkkXUbo7Sr /Fcg== X-Received: by 10.202.185.66 with SMTP id j63mr8145557oif.13.1450725830574; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.95.169]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ch1sm4413889oec.16.2015.12.21.11.23.49 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:23:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:20:01 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: Will Estes , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151221192001.GH4253@gmail.com> References: <20151221182113.GC13194@thomas> <20151221183025.GC4253@gmail.com> <20151221183706.GD13194@thomas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20151221183706.GD13194@thomas> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] screen sharing options X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:23:50 -0000 Yes, that would be through the main skype client's interface. I know that pidgin and the helper I most use, skcmd, do no nothing with desktop sharing, and am pretty sure that clisk doesn't have any screen sharing functionality either. Not sure about latest clisk though, or if something could be done using the skype4py interface if one had the knowledge to create or extend an ap. In the skype GUI just select a contact and tab a couple of times to you hear show more options for this contact, press the space bar and down arrow till you find share share your screen. I assume that an additional window opens, but have never used this myself. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Will Estes wrote: Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 01:37:06PM -0500 > Is that through the official client only? I've recently switched to using pidgin with the skypeweb plugin because that setup handles group chats much better. > > On Monday, 21 December 2015, 12:30 pm -0600, "B. Henry" wrote: > > > Well, you would have no access to anything being shared using skype, but everything else works, text chat best with an external helper program however. > > I have never had a reson to try and share my desktop via skype, but think it would be no problem. > > Of course skype only allows group calls/video chats of up to 9 or 10 persons with a standard acount I think. There is some kind of business account that > > allows conference calls with more people, but I know no details. > > > > > > > > -- > > B.H. > > Registerd Linux User 521886 > > > > > > Will Estes wrote: > > Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 01:21:13PM -0500 > > > > > I need to be able to do a couple of related things: > > > > > > * Share my screen -- or preferrably just an application window or two -- with co-workers. > > > > > > * Join to a session where someone else's screen is being shared. I don't need to have any access to the information they're sharing, if that makes things easier--I can always get any presentations involved later, or if we're meeting to work together, then I can talk to them through the audio portion of the meeting. > > > > > > As a part of that, I'd need to be able to send and receive sound through the mic/speakers as well. > > > > > > What options do we have that play well with orca? Thus far, I've come up with nothing that works. > > > > > > -- > > > Will Estes > > > westes575@gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > orca-list mailing list > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > -- > Will Estes > westes575@gmail.com From westes575@gmail.com Mon Dec 21 19:26:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D8776A05 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:26:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PZoUOutFd4kd for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f181.google.com (mail-yk0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC898769D7 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 140so140288444ykp.0 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:26:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=ITNOmD76G28kCDe+LLEf/Bhy9aGyYe7HHxqxSImrRoY=; b=xWPWVr9iWeSG8SO1jKQ3MS2Asktt9Pct2byADijlK6VsjBb7h8WBm94r+EJ1aIPXZd PJAMdHQmcdizVJ8KBf1894qIa095EgfUBHEeZybVY7cRwX7kk7OBGz10178fEw67yJGV 8ey7gcqCKG8Q8L3oIQYtChUvSMh47hva6Ic+XrSsdJhP8HVL2z9+nmsQOHxk2m+9X5uJ OdDVmN/NTBmVsJYGebtca4vxVRiajOO5iX3jgMP/1PvNsfSeQ5GX1FZvrfLBUxGV4NeO T0eqN5Xx27oAmExbbOCAWiZ9YdJE4FrFvzlgECfZRsjzxUhicXySUw3lmngRRiTOmDZC pS4Q== X-Received: by 10.129.155.14 with SMTP id s14mr15756111ywg.317.1450725971193; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from thomas ([96.91.151.174]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t128sm29948248ywa.55.2015.12.21.11.26.08 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:26:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:26:07 -0500 From: Will Estes To: "B. Henry" Message-ID: <20151221192607.GE13194@thomas> Mail-Followup-To: "B. Henry" , orca-list@gnome.org References: <20151221182113.GC13194@thomas> <20151221183025.GC4253@gmail.com> <20151221183706.GD13194@thomas> <20151221192001.GH4253@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20151221192001.GH4253@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] screen sharing options X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:26:11 -0000 Thanks, I can chase those down and see what's available. For the official client, what version are you using on what distro/version? On Monday, 21 December 2015, 1:20 pm -0600, "B. Henry" wrote: > Yes, that would be through the main skype client's interface. > I know that pidgin and the helper I most use, skcmd, do no > nothing with desktop sharing, and am pretty sure that clisk doesn't have any screen sharing functionality either. > Not sure about latest clisk though, or if something could be done using the skype4py interface if one had the knowledge to create or extend an ap. > In the skype GUI just select a contact and tab a couple of times to you hear show more options for this contact, press the space bar and down arrow till > you find share share your screen. > I assume that an additional window opens, but have never used this myself. > > > -- > B.H. > Registerd Linux User 521886 > > > Will Estes wrote: > Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 01:37:06PM -0500 > > > Is that through the official client only? I've recently switched to using pidgin with the skypeweb plugin because that setup handles group chats much better. > > > > On Monday, 21 December 2015, 12:30 pm -0600, "B. Henry" wrote: > > > > > Well, you would have no access to anything being shared using skype, but everything else works, text chat best with an external helper program however. > > > I have never had a reson to try and share my desktop via skype, but think it would be no problem. > > > Of course skype only allows group calls/video chats of up to 9 or 10 persons with a standard acount I think. There is some kind of business account that > > > allows conference calls with more people, but I know no details. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > B.H. > > > Registerd Linux User 521886 > > > > > > > > > Will Estes wrote: > > > Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 01:21:13PM -0500 > > > > > > > I need to be able to do a couple of related things: > > > > > > > > * Share my screen -- or preferrably just an application window or two -- with co-workers. > > > > > > > > * Join to a session where someone else's screen is being shared. I don't need to have any access to the information they're sharing, if that makes things easier--I can always get any presentations involved later, or if we're meeting to work together, then I can talk to them through the audio portion of the meeting. > > > > > > > > As a part of that, I'd need to be able to send and receive sound through the mic/speakers as well. > > > > > > > > What options do we have that play well with orca? Thus far, I've come up with nothing that works. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Will Estes > > > > westes575@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > orca-list mailing list > > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > -- > > Will Estes > > westes575@gmail.com -- Will Estes westes575@gmail.com From chaltain@gmail.com Mon Dec 21 19:55:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA1276A88 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:55:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gFTGQZ7IENu5 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f179.google.com (mail-yk0-f179.google.com [209.85.160.179]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DE176A84 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f179.google.com with SMTP id p130so141252220yka.1 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:55:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AJYMRo1JqO616e3CaiI/iGeVrIwUJx5kEBIYHRZj5Xs=; b=XWjZ609stBDaw19PkR9ayHVfkaVIPlh6LPK8tcU5ISw2BglCMEd2F+qcAwY/6xXqnU 6hLrtO7KVDQmEC3uJy5iCoYjczrqFoiKCFKixevqAnnQY0Gn6LjB7v+rsXOfgl+E4FAl JnI1N4/HPXPdRcLTs4xmdNkI0j0L2Ybz9dB4jhxScbEDKPM8wT6vp9vk1V4hhy7P9Kby 1zbzerlFvVBvy0mwveKJ7FrCW7hDLzR8zZb0fUxuUej7xiMqNQUjyEW6Na5WtTB9gaTS RHp4l3BISTRo4pQRRTuSUJRU0R9+AImVdG3e6P3cyNk62jQEGv+fP09SvV1kN1DMM4Cy Vtig== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.129.50.12 with SMTP id y12mr15895204ywy.305.1450727710335; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:55:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.129.93.137 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:55:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20151221182113.GC13194@thomas> References: <20151221182113.GC13194@thomas> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 13:55:10 -0600 Message-ID: From: Christopher Chaltain To: Orca E-mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11414910d72aae05276dddf0 Subject: Re: [orca-list] screen sharing options X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:55:11 -0000 --001a11414910d72aae05276dddf0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I haven't done all of the screen sharing myself, but I'd give Google hangouts a look. I used it for video chats, and I'm pretty sure it supports screen sharing. If you don't have a lot of success with Firefox and Orca, you may want to give Chrome and ChromeVox a try. On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Will Estes wrote: > I need to be able to do a couple of related things: > > * Share my screen -- or preferrably just an application window or two -- > with co-workers. > > * Join to a session where someone else's screen is being shared. I don't > need to have any access to the information they're sharing, if that makes > things easier--I can always get any presentations involved later, or if > we're meeting to work together, then I can talk to them through the audio > portion of the meeting. > > As a part of that, I'd need to be able to send and receive sound through > the mic/speakers as well. > > What options do we have that play well with orca? Thus far, I've come up > with nothing that works. > > -- > Will Estes > westes575@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > -- Christopher (CJ) Chaltain at Gmail --001a11414910d72aae05276dddf0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I haven't done all of the screen sharing myself, but I= 'd give Google hangouts a look. I used it for video chats, and I'm = pretty sure it supports screen sharing. If you don't have a lot of succ= ess with Firefox and Orca, you may want to give Chrome and ChromeVox a try.=


On = Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Will Estes <westes575@gmail.com> wrote:
I need to be able to do a co= uple of related things:

* Share my screen -- or preferrably just an application window or two -- wi= th co-workers.

* Join to a session where someone else's screen is being shared. I don&= #39;t need to have any access to the information they're sharing, if th= at makes things easier--I can always get any presentations involved later, = or if we're meeting to work together, then I can talk to them through t= he audio portion of the meeting.

As a part of that, I'd need to be able to send and receive sound throug= h the mic/speakers as well.

What options do we have that play well with orca? Thus far, I've come u= p with nothing that works.

--
Will Estes
westes575@gmail.com
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https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
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Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org



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Chaltain at Gmail
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[24.125.244.215]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z130sm30987668ywb.18.2015.12.21.15.28.04 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:28:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:28:03 -0500 From: Will Estes To: Christopher Chaltain Message-ID: <20151221232803.GA28248@thomas> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Chaltain , Orca E-mail List References: <20151221182113.GC13194@thomas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: Orca E-mail List Subject: Re: [orca-list] screen sharing options X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 23:28:07 -0000 Google points me to this url for screen sharing. https://support.google.com/plus/answer/1660627?hl=en Untested. Still trying to hunt down good instructions on installing chrome and chromevox on linux. On Monday, 21 December 2015, 1:55 pm -0600, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I haven't done all of the screen sharing myself, but I'd give Google > hangouts a look. I used it for video chats, and I'm pretty sure it supports > screen sharing. If you don't have a lot of success with Firefox and Orca, > you may want to give Chrome and ChromeVox a try. > > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Will Estes wrote: > > > I need to be able to do a couple of related things: > > > > * Share my screen -- or preferrably just an application window or two -- > > with co-workers. > > > > * Join to a session where someone else's screen is being shared. I don't > > need to have any access to the information they're sharing, if that makes > > things easier--I can always get any presentations involved later, or if > > we're meeting to work together, then I can talk to them through the audio > > portion of the meeting. > > > > As a part of that, I'd need to be able to send and receive sound through > > the mic/speakers as well. > > > > What options do we have that play well with orca? Thus far, I've come up > > with nothing that works. > > > > -- > > Will Estes > > westes575@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > Chaltain at Gmail > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- Will Estes westes575@gmail.com From kd7cyu@gmail.com Tue Dec 22 00:07:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B98769D7 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:07:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g7CENaxKuw6X for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf0-f173.google.com (mail-pf0-f173.google.com [209.85.192.173]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D83576907 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf0-f173.google.com with SMTP id u7so49718597pfb.1 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:07:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:reply-to:to:subject:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type; bh=yxuAPgBxVLNA1ELmunXmVU6T0QEpTEPUytZTZcxOFRg=; b=pMddB7RnnyYcgKHXQ8GLYmjKIXXaBW7txWfCMMI1pfFmwMmDk3ctR6Wt0iuJJLJaJJ irsTNmcRm0KYc1pnokPzgPn4Opu6GXdvAlXmMCalmr3A40536TJybdk7DUDcNUOZK8QP x7sdWlkdZNWhEIfu0gUlX0++A8G6XM8zCim2mPkh5WFOs2eRj7xm8Lcj5Rm6ZUS8g7Kf jJXJI5SXafaJ4ysF0aHkSQPJPMKjr3hYd0DM2svE/udCdYpu1JOPFswBgEtcyne3SERv L6AuTqNZGjnhR12SQvOS46FldTyiPWbDnFOmBwnC+Pv1PFpu5VgX2VGfA6wJcGf0TaxL mECQ== X-Received: by 10.98.71.18 with SMTP id u18mr30874179pfa.107.1450742840518; Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:07:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tom-M2800.local (c-24-16-165-241.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [24.16.165.241]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l80sm11608540pfi.76.2015.12.21.16.07.19 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:07:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:07:19 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: tom@Tom-M2800 To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.10 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [orca-list] Inaccessible website X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: kd7cyu@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:07:24 -0000 I have been asked to use this site rally1.rallydev.com a couple of times over the past yeare (starting in 2012). It is one used by government agencies like Patent and Trademark Office so one would think it would be usable. However I find that it does not report changes in combo boxes, has several buttons that show as simply a ? mark and several other problems. I don't think there is much anyone can do even too look at it unless you have a login but I thought I would let people know if you have an employer who wants you to use this site let them know it probably won't work. I tried it with ubuntu 15.10 and firefox as well as my macbook with safari and got pretty much the same results. Tom From jason@jasonjgw.net Tue Dec 22 00:59:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2BF769D7 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:59:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p_YqVlDIOhPt for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr.jasonjgw.net (svr.jasonjgw.net [192.155.90.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4E57622F for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jpc.jasonjgw.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:85:c202:533b:216:eaff:fe69:4636]) by svr.jasonjgw.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3C41032123 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 19:59:39 -0500 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151222005939.GA15530@jpc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Inaccessible website X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:59:40 -0000 Tom Masterson wrote: > I tried it with ubuntu 15.10 and firefox as well as my macbook with safari > and got pretty much the same results. In that case the Web site probably doesn't meet accessibility standards. I would suggest reporting the accessibility problems to the Web site's maintsainers. If it's used by government, as you indicate, then it may be subject to legal requirements that mandate accessibility, depending on which country it's in and which governments use it. 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[182.239.134.165]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id x12sm39569660pfi.95.2015.12.22.00.44.10 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:44:11 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5674AD7C.70508@thefudge.net> <20151219092033.GA17021@raspberrypi> <56762FC2.40309@thefudge.net> <20151220080333.GA2918@raspberrypi> From: Rob Whyte Message-ID: <56790D57.4010602@thefudge.net> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 19:44:07 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151220080333.GA2918@raspberrypi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 08:44:11 -0000 This is being delbt with now. https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=205486 cheers On 20/12/15 19:03, Halim Sahin wrote: > Hi, > On So, Dez 20, 2015 at 03:34:10 +1100, Rob Whyte wrote: >> What is the package or port called to install the bindings? > I am not familiar with freeBSD but it's called python-speechd or > python3.speechd in Linux. > HTH. > Halim > >> thanks >> Rob >> >> >> On 19/12/15 20:20, Halim Sahin wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Are the python bindings of speech-dispatcher installed? >>> Try to run a python3 intrerpreter and type >>> import speechd >>> If this prints errors the bindings are missing. >>> HTH. >>> Halim >>> >>> On Sa, Dez 19, 2015 at 12:06:04 +1100, Rob Whyte wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> I recently installed PC-BSD with the Gnome Desktop Environment. >>>> How ever I don't seem able to run Orca, the error is no speech server >>>> available and the speech options are all greyed out. >>>> >>>> It is known issue go PC-BSD but I would like to know if it is also for >>>> FreeBSD and if anyone has a known work-around. >>>> >>>> spd-say hello works, I configured speech-dispatcher to use oss and sound >>>> on the Desktop also works. >>>> >>>> Thanks for any insight. >>>> >>>> Warm regards >>>> Rob Whyte >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >>> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >>> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From krecoun@gmail.com Tue Dec 22 19:09:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DC876287 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 19:09:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VcBSoAyxtBfV for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 19:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f54.google.com (mail-wm0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86E67624D for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 19:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f54.google.com with SMTP id l126so122200082wml.0 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:09:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lWcOrrTK1aEUuhgXZEqM0qVOPQJ8Jgi3v4Bu++FwAFA=; b=YcxibdIhXhjWUCmkPr2Zl3za9fDOQzUhsskcTlKNvY5+/xtKP5w43PuiEGg2ljcEkX sF6MJaOu0H+NPZ6liQ0f+X2WJR91m727zfoznNytxkRLSt2TuwpQcSul/gPXZZim+FxL gORpu8S4cCMm2N9CkjYzH5WjGpX9cL5sHsiKrl1ZdCssGFq54QxzWv90bwcRhxuC98B0 tzDjqHzjvD0d5sWw3zQ0flwqwiH83pl7cd3wgR0CRwqc7qY94lLSyX9/HX6UcCiB5AqV Vyr5uYXYR8IahqcssmnXW/6cJcMkvp5Q/oP2ZpFmZ/lww2ze9BL8srrGaoJtnvRcm0Ja xqbA== X-Received: by 10.28.171.135 with SMTP id u129mr27297919wme.99.1450811373226; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:09:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (ip-89-177-135-49.net.upcbroadband.cz. [89.177.135.49]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id wl10sm24425415wjb.27.2015.12.22.11.09.32 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:09:32 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= Message-ID: <56799FEB.4090306@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:09:31 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] nuvola player X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 19:09:32 -0000 Greetings, I have asked about ways of improving accessibility of Nuvola player - a desktop player for web services like Spotify etc. It is a webkit2 application. I asked developer to enable caret navigation, and it is enabled by default. However, moving with arrows does not produce any speech. Do you know what could be wrong? Will the debug output help you? Thanks, Vojta From vincent.legoff.srs@gmail.com Tue Dec 22 20:31:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C829176A54 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:31:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xtTiRSi2dwhd for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf0-f178.google.com (mail-pf0-f178.google.com [209.85.192.178]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB0176287 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 78so38660938pfw.2 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:31:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=P0ooTOrYf96ChcWLfDczlW3XuTOG8sC7E8cuQQkwvTk=; b=lmVre9BFE50txKLi+PNuUVJh4wpUF0t8YwbQBz9R070H+FlkqdFKkLNNkhre1KDFQH yJRAXRWZ3B4F5/3wop0aXXsXVCoNL6vh5X1VEzzK07+amMWqPtth8ZbOFHoXlpyzAYi4 qoUJFLZ+iEZ2vi4jUqbnLT403Zfd5UD6nxkaaQp2qYXJQ280St6xOJSpX277U4MH2xXz 7Q3wwkmRe3OR3M4hmpCJJFwFJJzzlTWNt67/cUWuclPAPnrMR0bqxHQTKSPTPZxCzj4/ EA8MPfqI10egsZyjiGCTat2flveIDIW/Nyrt1pl2eDvwE9Kmob+YNTbdhJRu2hr4L9Y1 HZJw== X-Received: by 10.98.71.154 with SMTP id p26mr38357918pfi.65.1450816261426; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:201:c080:4747:95a0:149a:72b5:8c83? ([2601:201:c080:4747:95a0:149a:72b5:8c83]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id by2sm47818265pab.20.2015.12.22.12.31.00 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:31:00 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list From: Vincent LE GOFF Message-ID: <5679B300.6080908@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 12:30:56 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] A software implementing text-to-speech X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:31:00 -0000 Hi everyone, I would like to develop a software that implements TTS (text-to-speech). I would like this software to be cross-platform. It already implements TTS under Windows through a library. What should I do to have the same support under Linux with Orca? I guess Orca is the only available graphical screen reader, but I may be wrong about that. I would need to have support for both spoken text (that is, I would need to send to the screen reader some text to be spoken) and sent to the Braille display when supported. I will use Python itself (not the same version as used by Orca, however, since I'll have to develop using 2.X). Thank you for your answer, Vincent From jason@jasonjgw.net Tue Dec 22 21:22:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2BD776A7B for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 21:22:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ykQVrz__HLSB for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 21:22:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr.jasonjgw.net (svr.jasonjgw.net [192.155.90.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2C676A65 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 21:22:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jpc.jasonjgw.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:85:c202:533b:216:eaff:fe69:4636]) by svr.jasonjgw.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3722C32193 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 21:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 16:22:13 -0500 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151222212213.GA26051@jpc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <56799FEB.4090306@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <56799FEB.4090306@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] nuvola player X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 21:22:14 -0000 Vojtěch Polášek wrote: > I have asked about ways of improving accessibility of Nuvola player - a > desktop player for web services like Spotify etc. > It is a webkit2 application. I asked developer to enable caret > navigation, and it is enabled by default. However, moving with arrows > does not produce any speech. You may have to press a key (for example, F7) to enable caret navigation. Make sure that caret navigation truly is enabled. If the problem persists, then it's time to look at a debug log. 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[89.177.135.49]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id df10sm20388832wjb.44.2015.12.22.14.55.29 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:55:30 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <56799FEB.4090306@gmail.com> <20151222212213.GA26051@jpc.jasonjgw.net> From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= Message-ID: <5679D4E1.4020407@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 23:55:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151222212213.GA26051@jpc.jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] nuvola player X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 22:55:31 -0000 Hi, the developer says that caret navigation is enabled by default, that he can move caret with arrows without any problems. I will try to produce a debug log. Vojta Dne 22.12.2015 v 22:22 Jason White napsal(a): > Vojtěch Polášek wrote: >> I have asked about ways of improving accessibility of Nuvola player - a >> desktop player for web services like Spotify etc. >> It is a webkit2 application. I asked developer to enable caret >> navigation, and it is enabled by default. However, moving with arrows >> does not produce any speech. > > You may have to press a key (for example, F7) to enable caret navigation. > > Make sure that caret navigation truly is enabled. If the problem persists, > then it's time to look at a debug log. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From vilmar@informal.com.br Wed Dec 23 15:10:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6B0762A7 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:10:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fYoSxKUVwpZL for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rot03c3.mail.alog.com.br (rot03c3.mail.alog.com.br [177.126.164.20]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5EC760B1 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rot03c3.mail.alog.com.br (LSOS-MTA) with ESMTP id 3pQdJZ2SRVz76F0 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:10:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Scanned by LSOS-Amavis at rot03c3 X-Spam-Threshold: 5.0 X-Spam-Scanned-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:10:38 +0000 X-Spam-Host: rot03c3.mail.alog.com.br X-Spam-System: LSOS-SA X-Spam-LSOS-Flag: NO X-Spam-Relay-Country: X-Spam-Languages: X-Spam-ASN: X-Spam-DCC: X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-RBLs: [200.150.145.4] [5 smtp-in-c1.mail.alog.com.br.] X-Spam-Detail: * -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP Received: from rot03c3.mail.alog.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rot03c3.mail.alog.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (LSOS-Amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id X3SRuEEj_Z2a for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:10:31 +0000 (UTC) X-WhiteBlackList-Status: undef X-WhiteBlackList-Status: undef Received: from [192.168.1.92] (unknown [201.65.252.242]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by rot03c3.mail.alog.com.br (LSOS-MTA) with ESMTPA id 3pQdJR2WtMz76H5; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:10:30 +0000 (UTC) References: <5679B300.6080908@gmail.com> To: Vincent LE GOFF , orca-list From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica LTDA Message-ID: <567AB9CF.4010001@informal.com.br> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:12:15 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5679B300.6080908@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] A software implementing text-to-speech X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:10:42 -0000 Orca do not talk directly to the synth, it talks to speech-dispatcher and speech-dispatcher talks to the synthh. Probably the library used in windows could be adapted to talk to speech-dispatcher? On 12/22/2015 06:30 PM, Vincent LE GOFF wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I would like to develop a software that implements TTS > (text-to-speech). I would like this software to be cross-platform. It > already implements TTS under Windows through a library. What should I > do to have the same support under Linux with Orca? > > I guess Orca is the only available graphical screen reader, but I may > be wrong about that. I would need to have support for both spoken > text (that is, I would need to send to the screen reader some text to > be spoken) and sent to the Braille display when supported. I will use > Python itself (not the same version as used by Orca, however, since > I'll have to develop using 2.X). > > Thank you for your answer, > > Vincent > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza From coffeekingms@gmail.com Wed Dec 23 15:16:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8C7762A7 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:16:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fW_NW3iklBJr for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f170.google.com (mail-ob0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56381760B1 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f170.google.com with SMTP id bx1so49527230obb.0 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 07:16:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gPQlYmrlZ4EBHoqt1aglrIqN48V9htwS+wf+X7wqyes=; b=zMwCWvjiymLTcGNHmUOMy77cs45Br3F3kgIBCSJcWsaotFHTvMhPxH9719eQ6pWkyN 3QSc/BrHSpsSQ1eTi2QSoD3nV8BwKhFiJvOYbm9dt1+E4wcRLtM2QhhgyLkQOizyGGB0 7idxiAUPOR8mNe+FYq/gGCrQaev77wDAHqFcVmAlUXUdhg86Hakwdcm/3OTvh0ef7Qf6 xnw5+aZ2Puvd0Vu3BESB37eb8BkIhSYySUV2eYtyODWBCyKPDS5Fb5yv6SQwIC/jyZDK jTmOvd9tbiR6WFsLY+qXSNMK5VIc/delc9AG5K28HxaMNjrEkjIQqKY29EAMMVewdVaf aelw== X-Received: by 10.182.115.196 with SMTP id jq4mr10719365obb.48.1450883776807; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 07:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (74-196-119-242.mnolcmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net. [74.196.119.242]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id kw1sm8741211obb.28.2015.12.23.07.16.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 23 Dec 2015 07:16:15 -0800 (PST) To: vilmar@informal.com.br, Vincent LE GOFF , orca-list References: <5679B300.6080908@gmail.com> <567AB9CF.4010001@informal.com.br> From: kendell clark Message-ID: <567ABABE.9000204@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:16:14 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <567AB9CF.4010001@informal.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] A software implementing text-to-speech X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:16:16 -0000 hi I'm no python expert, but can you develop a program in python 2.x and have orca be able to see and use it? I remember python 3.x being deliberately backward incompatible to 2.x, so I'm not sure if this is possible. Again, I'm no expert. If the only hurtle is python 3.x, then I'm assuming you mean that nvda, being the only used open source screen reader under windows, having to use python 2.x. I forget why, but I seem to remember it being that one of the components they use not having a python 3 version. THis should be fixed, but it's out of jamie and mic's hands, so I'm not sure when this will happen. Orca can speak text directly using ... what did joanie call it, at-spi notifications? Joanie will have to tell you how this is done, I can't remember. But speech-dispatcher should be simple. There are python speech-dispatcher bindings you can use. Thanks Kendell clark On 12/23/2015 09:12 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Orca do not talk directly to the synth, it talks to speech-dispatcher > and speech-dispatcher talks to the synthh. > > Probably the library used in windows could be adapted to talk to > speech-dispatcher? > On 12/22/2015 06:30 PM, Vincent LE GOFF wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I would like to develop a software that implements TTS >> (text-to-speech). I would like this software to be cross-platform. >> It already implements TTS under Windows through a library. What >> should I do to have the same support under Linux with Orca? >> >> I guess Orca is the only available graphical screen reader, but I may >> be wrong about that. I would need to have support for both spoken >> text (that is, I would need to send to the screen reader some text to >> be spoken) and sent to the Braille display when supported. I will use >> Python itself (not the same version as used by Orca, however, since >> I'll have to develop using 2.X). >> >> Thank you for your answer, >> >> Vincent >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From kd7cyu@gmail.com Wed Dec 23 17:35:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9360B76A98 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:35:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rAvy8i3qex22 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf0-f176.google.com (mail-pf0-f176.google.com [209.85.192.176]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A3976A59 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 78so53016626pfw.2 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:35:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:reply-to:to:subject:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type; bh=d4NxKrF+Bqp9s/PKXVbE1+dAPfzWoTtgoY2OgskdJMA=; b=GelluEwBm9iaLuxJI0OyVrktAN6YdrDPY1wZ2TkKqBrVX2JKCO3U/1lj/7Dxa+cgWH mUh6nyWLplVgHuJi+c/WFe19h3oglfwfwoyxPYrS+pZXRGPx5Xq78BjXl5lZtCiwRCHC 2rYERUz/+sMXl1Cl9/8DVmKDbOLkUnjU5Slh36Lvk11Ie/rM2QgoMtdzEoyDf6ruRz6E tl/2NnEUUwJR+Z1765mZVD+mVqcjsG4BFDP8npjoGiMsnQLm3EF4/u+V7GmEZkNktgSm BU6W3e2rD9OWd0b4PJn8aWMa5wmJgzmOtxNHYHIMviKZvyXLQRthwlxoV+qw5R1XKkcG ja+g== X-Received: by 10.98.73.71 with SMTP id w68mr34927346pfa.138.1450892151457; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tom-M2800.local (c-24-16-165-241.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [24.16.165.241]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c27sm23310169pfd.50.2015.12.23.09.35.50 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:35:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:35:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: tom@Tom-M2800 To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.10 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [orca-list] Orca Firefox question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: kd7cyu@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:35:50 -0000 I have noticed this issue in both ubuntu 14.04 and 15.10. When I am using firefox and I go over to a console (ctrl-alt-f1 for example) to look at something and then come back to firefox I find that I can't use the arrow keys or tab key to move around the document or at least it does not show in my braille display. Although this is apparently not consistent as I just did it and it worked fine. Has anyone else had this happen? Tom From burt1iband@gmail.com Wed Dec 23 19:17:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788A476908 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 19:17:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zCSV7WGVU0TZ for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 19:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A08F7625B for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 19:17:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id bx1so54058152obb.0 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 11:17:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=Lf9EgPLJEJyj1Ie6XgBW4UY6nrcXMVj2pkBZqm/VvI8=; b=rzh3og54JT3ZwxepG3qdvXAGnwtYaExAQid33eMTxAu2666AnyPF8Ji3Bfph1ANagM HInGD0duso+y+j4OVhfnCPGpT+fz4pziWfJD2b5FwJvg5Tn9jwGsW2kRLdwj6Yy7l0kx wmuXqKHOLFARRhWOrKiIp5NGjiGDgidayyWmt/RgRZavTFOIxAmfSo4eXqsaYm7+PneN L0JIw+9IjxIgz5H7Tu6ptqdBEROg7nwlM0NROz46MzwSXmVzvx9KiRJ8Z1flgZNpJzCt yO5zqJoeRJqxlQyOO6azLIAXvb+1Is2Fy+BWwHkBn+dCle8qO+GRfCrhb4HSSovO/M5/ gvmQ== X-Received: by 10.60.101.166 with SMTP id fh6mr15535224oeb.34.1450898243604; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 11:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.82.183]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q188sm9079487oif.28.2015.12.23.11.17.22 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Dec 2015 11:17:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:13:40 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: chrys87 , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151223191340.GC31559@gmail.com> References: <4a126ffd-a2fe-4d92-847a-98ee7daca237@googlegroups.com> <5d8933cc-63ef-496d-a1bc-535a55137807@googlegroups.com> <566DD943.7020808@tomaatnet.nl> <513ea3a1-a229-4bb9-a15d-4b8fc8e3a24b@googlegroups.com> <52069265-9047-428b-9f68-16d50b19f5df@googlegroups.com> <567A9A08.5070401@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <567A9A08.5070401@web.de> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Version 2.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 19:17:23 -0000 That python-pyinsane package pulled in a bunch of dependencies, actually I think these were mostly deps of a dep, but the effect is the same. Do you know why qwallet is one of these dependencies? I thought kwallet was for handling encryption keys, e.g. pgp keys. I see it appears to be a password management tool. I ask about all of this because I usegpg as well askey(s) for ssh connections. Also how about conflicts with gnome-keyring? I can poke around and answer most if not all of these questions myself most likely, but would appreciate not having to reinvent the wheel as it were if someone knows the answers. Thanks in advance for any replies. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 chrys87 wrote: Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 01:56:40PM +0100 > Howdy list, > > I created an initial AUR package > lios-git > for now its the git for more easy testing. > take care the AUR package for the "python-pyinsane" depency has a wrong > md5sum. the correct one is: > d867a73b1f2923699892e2e2b9a2547d > i already contact the maintainer so it should fixed soon. > happy holidays chrys > Am 23.12.2015 um 07:56 schrieb Nalin Linux: > > Dear list, we need a detailed testing. we are about to release this > version. also dear chrys87 we are waiting for your AUR package. > Major fixes, > Update README.md (Thanks to burt henry) > [1]https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/commit/16d560bad79a0d46596b34d0e174b5be97a1d335 > segmentfault fix, image preview ratio corrected > [2]https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/commit/7eeed0bea34daa245ad9c9f9852a146dc96529b8 > Bugfix : Stop all process > [3]https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/commit/b09dcd561486f7a6cb98e890db5514da0fe75d9c > Bugfix : save images > [4]https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/commit/68d2a5736f88d62fe16638676a9cedccdc263f41 > See List of all changes : > [5]https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/commits/master > Updated Deb package attached(51,416 bytes). > > References > > Visible links > 1. https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/commit/16d560bad79a0d46596b34d0e174b5be97a1d335 > 2. https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/commit/7eeed0bea34daa245ad9c9f9852a146dc96529b8 > 3. https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/commit/b09dcd561486f7a6cb98e890db5514da0fe75d9c > 4. https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/commit/68d2a5736f88d62fe16638676a9cedccdc263f41 > 5. https://gitlab.com/Nalin-x-Linux/lios-3/commits/master From isfeldt@gmail.com Wed Dec 23 21:27:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534237699B for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:27:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CQweWqMTfLSr for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f46.google.com (mail-pa0-f46.google.com [209.85.220.46]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCBC76908 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id jx14so111261148pad.2 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:27:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JRZs6j/kg1LK50jVBwRT+60FYq8ZkVnsjuDY0OqM3SA=; b=vGxL8ruYBiR96Div+XSPXCGm7ykJ7yhKoPy/gp4zCNn5b+YScUCo8OiyUrVlXxbSDc s6IGvqsiGOBxKojjbsn2rrT9JaQ8u53jhtyXaQ4f4Bb/zfZ5eBn0ARS2F+9bxxoqxqaO vGM+ttUj8cmcPgw4JHECHUBGdx8J5+p1fB8PY93Md307givReu3mv3/dYrEHHkOuq5PU xN+84q7Xv1kf7Jt/J+jt2I/0lx/t91GQJyE6ZDs4/Gs2N2DGkXyQVyDqjDeKWaCMr8tR roIcpBO59MW4Q9WhESdwgd2YUvLb2C06sIH/F++183AIQi+4hvnvxGjH2duE3xdY1wGM IJTg== X-Received: by 10.66.192.42 with SMTP id hd10mr46400395pac.111.1450906076406; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (ip70-189-65-243.ok.ok.cox.net. 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Henry" , chrys87 , orca-list@gnome.org References: <4a126ffd-a2fe-4d92-847a-98ee7daca237@googlegroups.com> <5d8933cc-63ef-496d-a1bc-535a55137807@googlegroups.com> <566DD943.7020808@tomaatnet.nl> <513ea3a1-a229-4bb9-a15d-4b8fc8e3a24b@googlegroups.com> <52069265-9047-428b-9f68-16d50b19f5df@googlegroups.com> <567A9A08.5070401@web.de> <20151223191340.GC31559@gmail.com> From: tim Message-ID: <567B11DA.2070309@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:27:54 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151223191340.GC31559@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Version 2.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:27:56 -0000 I installed this as well and noticed some kde packages or dependencies as was stated abuv, I've noticed since pulling all of those in, I no longer have an education menu nor is libreoffice for some weird reason listed in the office menu, though the main menu still shows its checkboxes and such when I go to edit menus in the mate mainmenu pannel applet. Just wanted to throw that out, it was odd I thought. Nor is Lios listed in any menus currently, I had to launch it from the terminal here on my sonar machine. On 12/23/2015 01:13 PM, B. Henry wrote: > That python-pyinsane package pulled in a bunch of dependencies, actually I think these were mostly deps of a dep, but the effect is the same. > Do you know why qwallet is one of these dependencies? I thought kwallet was for handling encryption keys, e.g. pgp keys. > I see it appears to be a password management tool. > I ask about all of this because I usegpg as well askey(s) for ssh connections. Also how about conflicts with gnome-keyring? > I can poke around and answer most if not all of these questions myself most likely, but would appreciate not having to reinvent the wheel as it were if > someone knows the answers. > Thanks in advance for any replies. > > > From jason@jasonjgw.net Wed Dec 23 21:54:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB717699B for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:54:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wyWKE-riopEz for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr.jasonjgw.net (svr.jasonjgw.net [192.155.90.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A857976908 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jpc.jasonjgw.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:85:c202:533b:216:eaff:fe69:4636]) by svr.jasonjgw.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CD6913219E for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:54:56 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1450907696; bh=InusJ7Lj9AVIP/NdkwH/CuHUL+EkLwEpXQtKSKnyBDE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=gLeAqx8tord86unHIz+hwCZ/grWw0kU3LH4/jtjBBQ2tv7Nda2NxM/k32xHL8tRN8 H6hnAChRqP9TPrIoN7f0eeDM8eZxPwcC/0D3LINTmscu6Fs4e9ru3xxHp80PWdkItK R4mP+lCmf6wO/T8cMENOSg0Q9qoX1Iq0t4m1pDo+MvJ//Zg1koq9zCYYGH0i250TNy K18UgS7W/sUYqBt6R+bq+XDrFJq+zCpspulK6uhFHtUqXM7IKOpXsKiw6TwzTtGINY jZCHuRe+cfUJM1jMt1hP8wkPU4tFtn6G2DDkNvaOl3OPnh4k75SpeBB3jYHFPSmkdy Q5oRZ3yuEdWbQ== Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 16:54:55 -0500 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151223215455.GA12347@jpc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5679B300.6080908@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5679B300.6080908@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] A software implementing text-to-speech X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:54:56 -0000 > I would like to develop a software that implements TTS (text-to-speech). I > would like this software to be cross-platform. It already implements TTS > under Windows through a library. What should I do to have the same support > under Linux with Orca? You could write a driver to support it in Speech-Dispatcher, which Orca uses as its interface to various text to speech systems. I think this would be your best solution at the moment under Linux, though other strategies are possible too. From burt1iband@gmail.com Wed Dec 23 22:02:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0931E7699B for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 22:02:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pG06Zp7tDW6K for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 22:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAE676908 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 22:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 18so174665598obc.2 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:02:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=fpedJ8ZSvWxAoiJX6KGljc1g+VOpLM9RW7DcNDgjrjo=; b=fYMV+63s3uQAHt5Ja68CbMG+GMHuDLlgDNqZtQHAdD9eeBZAo7usP/hPC65qpBysqK nE0iYAOf6fyYq8RRfAIaZ6L95/0usWilsDlummpJuWmVANnsOsc7RKF2bXI8QbHTXLXA XbIsTdJo0ohUqVEwXkzDNhXaZODVNb3aROza2NDM/G1v0Pw2hrczk/m++P0QvGqEfBtY Jkg4IxAtZFISPZ0BG9SGPLNdRP4Up9J5mcWkh1L09meRV5bWVAclxmVRJWfGNWw1RT88 36cCthaZC0cCoBxFhlHFSXIHhE9hw32EAb37GN9lIvx1GYkpWfw0tWbF8ty8swQD5h3C 05eg== X-Received: by 10.182.116.200 with SMTP id jy8mr16898087obb.35.1450908169487; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.82.183]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s200sm6123722oie.2.2015.12.23.14.02.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:02:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:59:04 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: tim , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151223215904.GG31559@gmail.com> References: <4a126ffd-a2fe-4d92-847a-98ee7daca237@googlegroups.com> <5d8933cc-63ef-496d-a1bc-535a55137807@googlegroups.com> <566DD943.7020808@tomaatnet.nl> <513ea3a1-a229-4bb9-a15d-4b8fc8e3a24b@googlegroups.com> <52069265-9047-428b-9f68-16d50b19f5df@googlegroups.com> <567A9A08.5070401@web.de> <20151223191340.GC31559@gmail.com> <567B11DA.2070309@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <567B11DA.2070309@gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Version 2.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 22:02:49 -0000 Sounds like a mate bug. I've not studied how mate does it's categories, but I adapted some work started by the F123 project to make a stand alone applications menu generator that displays in the file manager of your choice. It auto selectsa file manager to use according to what you have installed, and caja will be the default if you have it as it does the best job of displaying the launchers when properly configured, i.e. set it to use list view and only read names, no file size, modification date, etc. Just do that for the folder in question once the menus open. If you want to try this package let me know and I'll send it along,. I don't remember if I wrote an installer for it yet or not, but can quickly do so, or just tell you where to copy the files. Actually, I can just add a line to default it to Englishwhen no configuration file is present and it would only be one file to copy in to place for standard use. Lios should show up in graphics apps sub menu. I can not imagine why installing lios would have anything to do with your other apps and how they appear in the aps menus. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 tim wrote: Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 03:27:54PM -0600 > I installed this as well and noticed some kde packages or dependencies as > was stated abuv, I've noticed since pulling all of those in, I no longer > have an education menu nor is libreoffice for some weird reason listed in > the office menu, though the main menu still shows its checkboxes and such > when I go to edit menus in the mate mainmenu pannel applet. Just wanted to > throw that out, it was odd I thought. Nor is Lios listed in any menus > currently, I had to launch it from the terminal here on my sonar machine. > > > > On 12/23/2015 01:13 PM, B. Henry wrote: > >That python-pyinsane package pulled in a bunch of dependencies, actually I think these were mostly deps of a dep, but the effect is the same. > >Do you know why qwallet is one of these dependencies? I thought kwallet was for handling encryption keys, e.g. pgp keys. > > I see it appears to be a password management tool. > >I ask about all of this because I usegpg as well askey(s) for ssh connections. Also how about conflicts with gnome-keyring? > >I can poke around and answer most if not all of these questions myself most likely, but would appreciate not having to reinvent the wheel as it were if > >someone knows the answers. > >Thanks in advance for any replies. > > > > > From isfeldt@gmail.com Thu Dec 24 05:00:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1790D76A5A for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 05:00:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6wMq50yHjKYc for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 05:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B375765C6 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 05:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id bx1so61408297obb.0 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:00:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/bOJs3oIRRtCTs9Ko5d4nW+aBYYDyvBdo1B2JKs9/I8=; b=tCkfZergugAlSToTdZB7TOXm7zOmUguO4rCZnEeS2DVTdGe3+obcriInYiNfMibJZi QmqataGGAFdOLRn/ctE33oZekOYu0UWNWujn44wD6iucnH5EuEO/06optC3/UDoqw9mr d5iorpJNIRvkTM2oAYJ4cv1dcIFrxeY76raLmdTsg1gcO0tI9WaNH3XVVRvFFW/IRgqX KsTRE7oa4Fqf3zfF+0qBbv+jRQ5RpGq3j8/xdEs8LuBH+89ZLahBcGiNBA8mlE/mNwp8 mViy/s4+ZUD69d4gjQd3mKUvxuJZuQOQvWFpC0+PGQYFZe6pZHEMexu++gKIBvfyNDX9 hqZA== X-Received: by 10.60.246.43 with SMTP id xt11mr13377794oec.48.1450933251734; Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:00:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (ip70-189-65-243.ok.ok.cox.net. [70.189.65.243]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id dh8sm10246856obb.2.2015.12.23.21.00.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:00:50 -0800 (PST) To: "B. Henry" , orca-list@gnome.org References: <4a126ffd-a2fe-4d92-847a-98ee7daca237@googlegroups.com> <5d8933cc-63ef-496d-a1bc-535a55137807@googlegroups.com> <566DD943.7020808@tomaatnet.nl> <513ea3a1-a229-4bb9-a15d-4b8fc8e3a24b@googlegroups.com> <52069265-9047-428b-9f68-16d50b19f5df@googlegroups.com> <567A9A08.5070401@web.de> <20151223191340.GC31559@gmail.com> <567B11DA.2070309@gmail.com> <20151223215904.GG31559@gmail.com> From: tim Message-ID: <567B7C01.1070909@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 23:00:49 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151223215904.GG31559@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Version 2.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 05:00:52 -0000 That's what I was thinking, it was odd that I noticed just after installing lios On 12/23/2015 03:59 PM, B. Henry wrote: > Sounds like a mate bug. > I've not studied how mate does it's categories, but I adapted some work started by the F123 project to make a stand alone applications menu generator > that displays in the file manager of your choice. > It auto selectsa file manager to use according to what you have installed, and caja will be the default if you have it as it does the best job of > displaying the launchers when properly configured, i.e. set it to use list view and only read names, no file size, modification date, etc. Just do that > for the folder in question once the menus open. > If you want to try this package let me know and I'll send it along,. I don't remember if I wrote an installer for it yet or not, but can quickly do so, > or just tell you where to copy the files. Actually, I can just add a line to default it to Englishwhen no configuration file is present and it would > only be one file to copy in to place for standard use. > Lios should show up in graphics apps sub menu. > I can not imagine why installing lios would have anything to do with your other apps and how they appear in the aps menus. > From vsmiro@seznam.cz Thu Dec 24 10:48:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCC2768C0 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 10:48:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vsJTqcMpd-Ip for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 10:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxs1.seznam.cz (mxs1.seznam.cz [77.75.78.125]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D477762AB for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 10:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.seznam.cz by email-smtpc3b.ko.seznam.cz (email-smtpc3b.ko.seznam.cz [10.53.13.75]) id 20317a8835a929d221db8b94; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 11:48:25 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seznam.cz; s=beta; t=1450954105; bh=S/LO6HuW8mp+EeScL3mIIObofeLmDb2BeBLLkUCKem0=; h=Received:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer: Content-Type; b=h/Up2Z+yKTJQ1NC8GuFrgXLYCqWEFUresVAllckmBosKyBIo6DDhvzJnwK+sEHblZ fKu2gPracAjFx1omKTQEFj5qC2PWEwslzCoC04u3fuHf6GVhz66qTjCb5Pwz0Tr+iN wpxOrVCY39wByjYs7P5cwsL6aTGGfX8frMl7iCu4= Received: from host-213-235-142-85.ip.topnet.cz (host-213-235-142-85.ip.topnet.cz [213.235.142.85]) by email.seznam.cz (szn-ebox-4.5.84) with HTTP; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 11:48:18 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?q?Vojt=C4=9Bch_=C5=A0miro?= To: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 11:48:18 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (szn-mime-2.0.10) X-Mailer: szn-ebox-4.5.84 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_7510773e290df38b63c58186=c543337d-e70a-580b-805f-f5275d772abe_=" Cc: vinux-support@googlegroups.com Subject: [orca-list] Orca sound icons X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 10:48:28 -0000 --=_7510773e290df38b63c58186=c543337d-e70a-580b-805f-f5275d772abe_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= Hello. =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= How to install sound icons and beeping to Orca I have Vinux 5, Orca 3.18.2= . =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= There were a few texts how to instal, but I am a beginer and I don=C5=A5 k= now a =0A= lot of things. =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Thanks. =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Best regards =0A= =0A= Vojta. =0A= =0A= --=_7510773e290df38b63c58186=c543337d-e70a-580b-805f-f5275d772abe_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= --=_7510773e290df38b63c58186=c543337d-e70a-580b-805f-f5275d772abe_=-- From chrys87@web.de Thu Dec 24 12:26:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B19768C0 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 12:26:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.351 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.351 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZghO72-u4mb1 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 12:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.17.11]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2271F762AB for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 12:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.151] ([178.26.122.170]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LnB9V-1afO7I1ToL-00hMgN for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 13:26:09 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4a126ffd-a2fe-4d92-847a-98ee7daca237@googlegroups.com> <5d8933cc-63ef-496d-a1bc-535a55137807@googlegroups.com> <566DD943.7020808@tomaatnet.nl> <513ea3a1-a229-4bb9-a15d-4b8fc8e3a24b@googlegroups.com> <52069265-9047-428b-9f68-16d50b19f5df@googlegroups.com> <567A9A08.5070401@web.de> <20151223191340.GC31559@gmail.com> <567B11DA.2070309@gmail.com> <20151223215904.GG31559@gmail.com> <567B7C01.1070909@gmail.com> From: chrys87 Message-ID: <567BE460.5000205@web.de> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 13:26:08 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <567B7C01.1070909@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:8TKhnDFClitbJovzbj37xdcX9r83ktyCfk+w+f99RwDBAkOOD40 tqcfUzC9HOAtGf7zjXYODoqObMAEG/DnrbVNP+w5RdnUuOTm2ZXUa0Za0bKYP/o+r729bbJ OvFT8XULUoygNrqAMqRq+WzoyGicJPqfQ14Nn0bQmjz+pXgge5V1kCrB0Gxs4BjuSJSY57C Q4eOBxZ7DZnta/ct4c0zw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:CoxPEpcEckY=:BixA+Vu8iw82B4SvJaAn7t odXmYKA3KbKZT2dIN+mkq52auuTCJSmoISYp9BLvFvTSFH0KPRCywtAeV+tpq4C1Tyst7zC7m S7pt285eIKqK4Pxqowe7ZZK5HhTU5VcvenbjODRVsNbK8ZyPefLWeJQKFlGySw74i8gg2K/kX BxSixeXSGMyJuGzJKQKFrjdATLKyffpwsNkpxOKxJY6tw4Kb2HX5Q09bkEokcdASBio+TbSCd PhF/iGKo+vSPDFK+5QsrmNc77cPDalLhC7mnUxtRGZSpjc57KP4iJjW4FQFBrTdt4bwZAc/Fx oWDZa4CczgMRyqh0oP17OtDkt3ebN9lI9tMsGVJd9xiO2lhvxdAY/XRQx2JAYkH+qtRuRbF1y IFKxQrNvjWzYiVAdXMwyppvjInnS0KPyLPsR8+ckaeirugCAU8U7WaLLnHKdPHJ52D21v8/8N dORkJQxHUX3Lrv1cIjBynZyNZ0drQOwWanC0+8DEk975sorvyaLv3K2LXDbYM3+vPIbyEQYtc C1BwgjOWpNrJOQzjOqPqdRkPO30e60kCh0D5oYaAEMTQ3vjoEL+3P29KFty5xKXoXUHbem3x5 iEuBYZK8sczBG+f/jAB0KcPuMJBZPT33rNEc5i3xxaTUkdanqUKdTURL/HRKZza6yEtAPr90a NJkDfKO+HZYk71wMUxrgIVQFkZEl4eMC7qny7EgR1kEYz5mUKVxUkcIjOKZQJ7/7Pjhy2vC0t I5mTFxzPgUnZxY9U4gUJLukUdNhuKjBPb9WeMuLwGVz9rtDgajieOuuSa0TVMb8c+AkS6YMCL JriITbM Subject: Re: [orca-list] Version 2.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 12:26:11 -0000 JFYI: i upload git package to the aur: lios-git https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/lios-git the depency python-pyinsane sadly has the wrong md5sum. i wrote the maintainer. the correct md5sum is d867a73b1f2923699892e2e2b9a2547d change the (last)line of the pyinsane PKGBUILD from md5sums=('ac7a0b2ebc14800dc82a88bc35314069') to md5sums=('d867a73b1f2923699892e2e2b9a2547d') you get the latest lios-git cheers and happy holidays chrys Am 24.12.2015 um 06:00 schrieb tim: > That's what I was thinking, it was odd that I noticed just after > installing lios > > > On 12/23/2015 03:59 PM, B. Henry wrote: >> Sounds like a mate bug. >> I've not studied how mate does it's categories, but I adapted some >> work started by the F123 project to make a stand alone applications >> menu generator >> that displays in the file manager of your choice. >> It auto selectsa file manager to use according to what you have >> installed, and caja will be the default if you have it as it does >> the best job of >> displaying the launchers when properly configured, i.e. set it to use >> list view and only read names, no file size, modification date, etc. >> Just do that >> for the folder in question once the menus open. >> If you want to try this package let me know and I'll send it along,. >> I don't remember if I wrote an installer for it yet or not, but can >> quickly do so, >> or just tell you where to copy the files. Actually, I can just add a >> line to default it to Englishwhen no configuration file is present >> and it would >> only be one file to copy in to place for standard use. >> Lios should show up in graphics apps sub menu. >> I can not imagine why installing lios would have anything to do with >> your other apps and how they appear in the aps menus. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From janina@rednote.net Thu Dec 24 17:48:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0E9764BC for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 17:48:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.791 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jbrtv0AaVOKQ for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 17:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [66.228.34.147]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A1C7684C for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 17:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from opera.rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id tBOHmvu9015540 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 17:48:58 GMT DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 opera.rednote.net tBOHmvu9015540 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=rednote.net; s=default; t=1450979338; bh=M0g0S/fnoDUbrk71HkuGjgGC42Iy42oVEZFH7o3HIVw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=RPN/RkBlv4L4VIUJO7+cAOfx0/WMjEnzQb3rLB4ArsUDiQQ6Ss0vR6WqYW1T8hKah 7BR7mR1/iu0x7TXXSFqpMIevtZhMmKoyn5ZeWCs08cSXMKTI7F1IHgb44jwB3FooCP saFRnddaHaiieS80gRHoVjbihIAA0/Mr+h+JbHjk= Received: (from janina@localhost) by opera.rednote.net (8.15.2/8.14.6/Submit) id tBOHmvNl015539 for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2015 12:48:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: opera.rednote.net: janina set sender to janina@rednote.net using -f Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 12:48:57 -0500 From: Janina Sajka To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151224174857.GA1888@opera.rednote.net> References: <015101d11bf0$37fdb590$a7f920b0$@gmail.com> <20151112073306.GB16672@pc-halim.its.thm.de> <20151113181615.GB3245@opera.rednote.net> <20151114123103.GA8659@raspberrypi> <20151128144251.GA1855@opera.rednote.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20151128144251.GA1855@opera.rednote.net> X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 4.2.8-300.fc23.x86_64 X-PGP-Key: http://rednote.net/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] pulse audio Speakup and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 17:48:58 -0000 Argh. It was working beautifully a month ago as I reported below. Unfortunately, it's no longer working, and I'm not sure why. All that's happened with this machine in the meantime is standard package updates via the standard Arch "pacman -Syu" command. I'm unhappy. I need the configuration to be robust and able to handle software updates. I can't afford to worry about whether this machine is road worthy on any given day. So, investigations to follow--at least this one time. Janina Janina Sajka writes: > Halim Sahin writes: > > Hi Janina, > > Don't forget to switch to libao in speechd.conf after folowing the steps > > described in archwiki. > > MfG. > > Halim > > > > Thanks, Halim, for the explicit reminder. I did forget this step at > first and was very unsatisfied with the laggy performance of the default > pulse driver in speech-dispatcher. > > Switching to libao on my Fedora system has given me the best performing > Fedora I've ever had, but only when I switched back to TTSynth with the > native speakup-connector on the console. Fortunately, it's now all > working on one audio device. Previously, I had two--one device for the > gui, another for the console. So, I'm quite the happy customer. > > Thanks again for the pa configuration steps. I can perfectly accept pa > on these terms! > > Janina > > > On Fr, Nov 13, 2015 at 01:16:15 -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > Halim: > > > > > > I'm going to try and follow your steps this weekend as I continue to > > > configure an old laptop to run Arch. > > > > > > Thanks for the reminder. > > > > > > Janina > > > > > > Halim Sahin writes: > > > > Hi, > > > > It seems nobody read my posts :-(. > > > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#ALSA.2Fdmix_without_grabbing_hardware_device > > > > > > > > HTH. > > > > Halim > > > > > > > > On Di, Nov 10, 2015 at 01:44:30 -0600, Alex Midence wrote: > > > > > It isn't necessary to use systemwide Pulse audio anymore. I use console speech on my Ubuntu box at home which has Pulse Audio installed and configured in the recommended way (not systemwide) and I am able to use Speakup just fine. The trick is to start it from a Gnome Terminal within X: > > > > > > > > > > sudo modprobe speakupg_soft start=1 > > > > > sudo espeakup > > > > > > > > > > Just my thoughts, > > > > > Alex M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:37 PM > > > > > To: orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > Subject: [orca-list] pulse audio speakup and orca > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I am coming a long way on the new directions for making a newer version of debian Vinux butt want to maybe get some suggestions I recompiled espeak to use pulse audio I will paste the instructions that I have required from john and a few others from mailing lists. > > > > > > > > > > >> Edit the Makefile and find the section which reads like this: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> # 'runtime' uses pulseaudio if it is running, else uses portaudio > > > > > >> #AUDIO = runtime AUDIO = portaudio #AUDIO = portaudio0 #AUDIO = > > > > > >> portaudio2 #AUDIO = pulseaudio #AUDIO = sada > > > > > >> > > > > > >> And simply change it to read thusly: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> # 'runtime' uses pulseaudio if it is running, else uses portaudio > > > > > >> #AUDIO = runtime #AUDIO = portaudio #AUDIO = portaudio0 #AUDIO = > > > > > >> portaudio2 AUDIO = pulseaudio #AUDIO = sada > > > > > >> > > > > > >> As you can see I just commented out portaudio and uncommented > > > > > >> pulseaudio. > > > > > > > > > > cd ../../ > > > > > apt-get install espeakup > > > > > cd espeakup-0.71/ > > > > > make > > > > > make install > > > > > > > > > > modprobe speakup-soft > > > > > espeakup > > > > > > > > > > Now I wonder If I should go threw this next part and try as I am building it as a rolling release using sid and apt-get -u to hold back broken packages > > > > > > > > > > Here is the part in question mind you I am using software speech and not hardware speech. > > > > > > > > > > In Debian Jessie/Sid, you will need to edit /etc/default/pulseaudio to have this line: > > > > > > > > > > PULSEAUDIO_SYSTEM_START=1 > > > > > > > > > > And in /etc/pulse/client.conf: > > > > > > > > > > autospawn = no > > > > > > > > > > It's been a while since I configured speech for orca, but I think I had to modify /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf to use a unix socket: > > > > > > > > > > SocketPath "/var/run/speech-dispatcher/speech-dispatcher.sock" > > > > > > > > > > And in my .bash_profile, I added: > > > > > > > > > > export > > > > > SPEECHD_ADDRESS="unix_socket:/var/run/speech-dispatcher/speech-dispatcher.so > > > > > ck" > > > > > > > > > > I use hardware speech with speakup on the machine running orca and I don't run orca on the machine using espeakup, so I can't say that it will work for both orca and speakup with espeakup. Please follow up if I missed something. > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link to the bug report. > > > > > > > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=481651 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > orca-list mailing list > > > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > orca-list mailing list > > > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > orca-list mailing list > > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 > > > sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net > > > Email: janina@rednote.net > > > > > > Linux Foundation Fellow > > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org > > > > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > > > Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > orca-list mailing list > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 > sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net > Email: janina@rednote.net > > Linux Foundation Fellow > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Email: janina@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf From glennervin@cableone.net Sat Dec 26 00:31:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0216B7657B for ; 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auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [67.60.46.7] ([67.60.46.7:65039] helo=LennyAcer5720) by mail.cableone.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.6.45965 r(Core:3.6.6.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 54/45-06283-EEFDD765; Fri, 25 Dec 2015 19:31:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Glenn" To: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 18:31:49 -0600 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_021B_01D13F42.84515850" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 Subject: [orca-list] Ubuntu Mate 15.10 and WIFI X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 00:31:42 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_021B_01D13F42.84515850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I just got a NUC PPYH for Xmas, and I installed a CF to SATA converter = inside as the HD, and it's got 8GB of RAM. I booted to a live version of Ubuntu on an SD card, and seemed to = connect to WIFI successfully, by going into Internet and networking and = adding a WIFI connection. But when I tried installing Voxin, it also seemed to go well, but it = does not show up in the synth list in Orca. I believe not being connected to the Internet during installation = affects whether you get a good install of Voxin. I also did sudo update = first, and that seemed to go okay. But when I checked my connection in Internet and networking, it read = something like "never connected". I have tried all the key combinations I ever knew of, including some I = hadn't to try to get to a panel to find the WIFI, because that seems to = be the most reliable way to connect. I did also check FireFox to make sure whether I was connected, and it = indicates that I am not. Is there a CLI command I could use to bring up a GUI WIFI interface, or = otherwise, another way to get to the panel to find the WIFI? Thanks in advance. Glenn ------=_NextPart_000_021B_01D13F42.84515850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
I just got a NUC PPYH = for Xmas, and I=20 installed a CF to SATA converter inside as the HD, and it's got 8GB of=20 RAM.
I booted to a live = version of Ubuntu=20 on an SD card, and seemed to connect to WIFI successfully, by going into = Internet and networking and adding a WIFI connection.
But when I tried = installing Voxin, it=20 also seemed to go well, but it does not show up in the synth list in=20 Orca.
I believe not being = connected to the=20 Internet during installation affects whether you get a good install of=20 Voxin.  I also did sudo update first, and that seemed to go=20 okay.
But when I checked my = connection in=20 Internet and networking, it read something like
"never = connected".
I have tried all the = key combinations=20 I ever knew of, including some I hadn't to try to get to a panel to find = the=20 WIFI, because that seems to be the most reliable way to = connect.
I did also check = FireFox to make sure=20 whether I was connected, and it indicates that I am not.
Is there a CLI command = I could use to=20 bring up a GUI WIFI interface, or otherwise, another way to get to the = panel to=20 find the WIFI?
Thanks in = advance.
Glenn
 
------=_NextPart_000_021B_01D13F42.84515850-- From vilmar@informal.com.br Sat Dec 26 14:24:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0F0769F6 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 14:24:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.702 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.702 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lrnpF1RduIKH for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 14:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rot02c3.mail.alog.com.br (rot02c3.mail.alog.com.br [177.126.164.19]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEE576989 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 14:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rot02c3.mail.alog.com.br (LSOS-MTA) with ESMTP id 3pSS8C3xQbz76W7 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 14:24:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Scanned by LSOS-Amavis at rot02c3 X-Spam-Threshold: 5.0 X-Spam-Scanned-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 14:24:43 +0000 X-Spam-Host: rot02c3.mail.alog.com.br X-Spam-System: LSOS-SA X-Spam-LSOS-Flag: NO X-Spam-Relay-Country: X-Spam-Languages: X-Spam-ASN: X-Spam-DCC: X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. 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I don't wish to start another debait war, it is a choice between convenience and my digital freedom and privacy, so I choose the latter that's it. So next time you wish to email me off the list, this is my email id. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Sat Dec 26 16:09:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D564C7699A for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:09:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.403 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.403 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.77, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mZ_1I6HJ8hBa for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo80.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo80.poczta.onet.pl [141.105.16.30]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8E076989 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (nat.blast.pl [193.200.47.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 3pSVTH2T6DzDQy7MV for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 17:09:38 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1451146179; bh=1/QGF3CUfXrOhF1HPv8K738OAmBfrclhCw6jQElu1IQ=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=RTWMC/dmv8QMSiiWSS3v3347TAdMwJlBFu/lCOucKJALpbbT0WYNHST5b0dBNiO1m Ay34Jg8UgCioPDsTbRVVYiRoFik8e+qh3i2MuoChnu6s93tcZ+lQRk6R2cHXn52KJg uA4LhQA5HlL/IGIs0YGH0hbBy4D60LVempw3uwHE= To: orca-list@gnome.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= Message-ID: <567EBBC6.4050502@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 17:09:42 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] translation editor X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:09:49 -0000 Hello all. What is the most accessible way of editing translation files (without a standard text editor)? Of course I mean PO files, not qt or windows or java translations. From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Sat Dec 26 16:27:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B56D7699A for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:27:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.203 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.203 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.77, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aHTle7KSrc5G for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:27:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo74.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo74.poczta.onet.pl [141.105.16.24]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F27876989 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (nat.blast.pl [193.200.47.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 3pSVv01Hblz1XM2mr for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 17:28:27 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= Message-ID: <567EBFEF.2000007@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 17:27:27 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] qt development X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:27:32 -0000 Hello. As an additional question unrelated to translations and whatever: Is there anyone who has tried to do development with qt? Do you think it is usable as a crossplatform accessible gui toolkit, or that it will be usable as such in the near future? I am just not sure how does the situation improve if at all between qt releases and especially not sure about the development viewpoint. From jason@jasonjgw.net Sat Dec 26 16:31:02 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7957699A for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:31:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E6154YFUwXoh for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr.jasonjgw.net (svr.jasonjgw.net [192.155.90.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5264576989 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jpc.jasonjgw.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:85:c202:533b:216:eaff:fe69:4636]) by svr.jasonjgw.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D64CD323C9 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:31:00 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.1 svr.jasonjgw.net D64CD323C9 Authentication-Results: svr.jasonjgw.net; dmarc=fail header.from=jasonjgw.net Authentication-Results: svr.jasonjgw.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=jason@jasonjgw.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1451147460; bh=XjdBZ1oAedy8oIzSZz5wO4pWfjevLMNP2zD6lwZtxrs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=eAF7XqEg+6OS17i18ZNYWhpUN3MbHF0Y5EPbpW320scIynQINaz253hQ/02k1Cbs0 X3cI4fXptqXOq23koIaC/crHDt60UGbnAn+nP1hSIi3zWqmGVo+ZqAdnCxuXclSWtI H5MRNmxCVim7tsaUzy3+nf5owqY3Luc5r/B7x9fXMNrRtgiS7/bTTpUds7HqBwrhiP W5Qz7zxi9EXg/IKhH3xVoIMS2VuGjVswW4zhrNnOMrYi9Bc2e30MY8SaPwOKtO999v VPQkusUrXPSNyUmrFuL3hoXi+zxEfD53uE+StoRBv/fi23XXYdrvWSkkyvsyB3tgnk 7TPEYykw8uAmg== Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 11:30:59 -0500 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151226163059.GA7000@jpc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <567EBFEF.2000007@poczta.onet.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <567EBFEF.2000007@poczta.onet.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] qt development X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:31:02 -0000 Michał Zegan wrote: > As an additional question unrelated to translations and whatever: > Is there anyone who has tried to do development with qt? Do you think it is > usable as a crossplatform accessible gui toolkit, or that it will be usable > as such in the near future? QT have been working on their accessibility. Support for Linux AT-SPI is supposed to be included in the latest versions of QT 5. Also, their Web site has good information about their accessibility API, but I don't know how up to date the documentation is. If you wish to experiment, try it with a very simple program, e.g., one that creates a button with a label in a window. From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Sat Dec 26 17:08:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DE37699A for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 17:08:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.203 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.203 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.77, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S9B_OjMtbOSr for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 17:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo74.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo74.poczta.onet.pl [141.105.16.24]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35C876989 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 17:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (nat.blast.pl [193.200.47.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 3pSWp971nZz1XLlZC for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 18:09:21 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <567EBFEF.2000007@poczta.onet.pl> <20151226163059.GA7000@jpc.jasonjgw.net> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=c5=82_Zegan?= Message-ID: <567EC985.2030405@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 18:08:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151226163059.GA7000@jpc.jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] qt development X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 17:08:25 -0000 That is why I ask about experiences in something bigger. I do not ask if it is accessible. I ask if it is production ready in this respect, and this is really not the same. W dniu 26.12.2015 o 17:30, Jason White pisze: > Michał Zegan wrote: >> As an additional question unrelated to translations and whatever: >> Is there anyone who has tried to do development with qt? Do you think it is >> usable as a crossplatform accessible gui toolkit, or that it will be usable >> as such in the near future? > > QT have been working on their accessibility. Support for Linux AT-SPI is > supposed to be included in the latest versions of QT 5. Also, their Web site > has good information about their accessibility API, but I don't know how up to > date the documentation is. > > If you wish to experiment, try it with a very simple program, e.g., one that > creates a button with a label in a window. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From glennervin@cableone.net Sat Dec 26 23:48:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8892576A43 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:48:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.099 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, XPRIO=1.999] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L8ixsxd4rD0w for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.cableone.net (mail.cableone.syn-alias.com [64.8.70.48]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1B776A32 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:48:39 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=erLLz+ZX c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=U7bfKaHz65/HdiW4AR2U+w==:117 a=U7bfKaHz65/HdiW4AR2U+w==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=otLtsZP2AAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=Ftkx7_yaGj2Aol9BePQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HzFam7FEaokA:10 a=_tQ4GCniNa0-lajOt6YA:9 a=gvfBO2VpoByw3OXV:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: Z2xlbm5lcnZpbkBjYWJsZW9uZS5uZXQ= Authentication-Results: smtp02.cableone.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=glennervin; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [67.60.46.7] ([67.60.46.7:53295] helo=LennyAcer5720) by mail.cableone.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.6.45965 r(Core:3.6.6.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 43/92-27793-8572F765; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 18:48:40 -0500 Message-ID: <10424AB6FD69407BAC33FC3AD7D5406C@LennyAcer5720> From: "Glenn" To: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 17:48:23 -0600 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_025B_01D14005.9D6D5FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 Subject: [orca-list] keyboard help X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:48:40 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_025B_01D14005.9D6D5FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does Orca have a keyboard help, like Jaws and NVDA? Which is insert + #1 on both systems. I of course tried this and it did not work. Glenn ------=_NextPart_000_025B_01D14005.9D6D5FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does Orca have a = keyboard help, like=20 Jaws and NVDA?
Which is insert + #1 on = both=20 systems.
I of course tried this = and it did not=20 work.
Glenn
------=_NextPart_000_025B_01D14005.9D6D5FA0-- From dahunt@posteo.de Sat Dec 26 23:54:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB88976492 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:54:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jo6BBDqpOam7 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout01.posteo.de (mout01.posteo.de [185.67.36.65]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB877693F for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dovecot03.posteo.de (dovecot03.posteo.de [172.16.0.13]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63C86208BE for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 00:54:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.posteo.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dovecot03.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3pShnv6jJHz5vNR for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 00:54:43 +0100 (CET) To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <10424AB6FD69407BAC33FC3AD7D5406C@LennyAcer5720> From: David Hunt Message-ID: <567F28C2.80406@posteo.de> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 18:54:42 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <10424AB6FD69407BAC33FC3AD7D5406C@LennyAcer5720> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] keyboard help X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:54:45 -0000 Use 'orca+h' for its "learn mode". Until you press 'esc', orca will announce each pressed key. Use 'orca+f1' to open a browser on the help pages. HTH, Dave Glenn wrote: > Does Orca have a keyboard help, like Jaws and NVDA? > Which is insert + #1 on both systems. From glennervin@cableone.net Sun Dec 27 04:55:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0D376A4A for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 04:55:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.099 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, XPRIO=1.999] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mtv_mPFNk1RK for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 04:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.cableone.net (mail.cableone.syn-alias.com [64.8.70.48]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588F276A43 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 04:55:16 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=BuKJwOn5 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=U7bfKaHz65/HdiW4AR2U+w==:117 a=U7bfKaHz65/HdiW4AR2U+w==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=otLtsZP2AAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=wb-M3182R8lb6XgNqRUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Wcxmr8-udakA:10 a=IffJ-7tIqo-0hUZ6MywA:9 a=4_JgvyNwgpy8T5oy:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: Z2xlbm5lcnZpbkBjYWJsZW9uZS5uZXQ= Authentication-Results: smtp01.cableone.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=glennervin; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [67.60.46.7] ([67.60.46.7:54012] helo=LennyAcer5720) by mail.cableone.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.6.45965 r(Core:3.6.6.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 3D/45-06283-63F6F765; Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:55:18 -0500 Message-ID: <7AFFAEBD413F41A6BBA9CA8FCA8D50B2@LennyAcer5720> From: "Glenn" To: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 22:54:58 -0600 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0265_01D14030.71AB88D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7601.17609 Subject: [orca-list] Still cannot install Voxin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 04:55:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0265_01D14030.71AB88D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, I hope someone can help me figure out how to get Voxin installed on = Ubuntu Mate 15.10. I had it working on 15.04. I finally got WIFI working, and I did apt-get update first. Then in the terminal, as I usually do, I installed Voxin-0.68. IBM just does not show up in the synth list. I hear it when it is going through the install process, doing its usual = few words, so it should be installed. Thanks for any suggestions. Glenn ------=_NextPart_000_0265_01D14030.71AB88D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
I hope someone can help = me figure out=20 how to get Voxin installed on Ubuntu Mate 15.10.
I had it working on=20 15.04.
I finally got WIFI = working, and I did=20 apt-get update first.
Then in the terminal, = as I usually=20 do, I installed Voxin-0.68.
IBM just does not show = up in the=20 synth list.
I hear it when it is = going through=20 the install process, doing its usual few words, so it should be=20 installed.
Thanks for any=20 suggestions.
Glenn
------=_NextPart_000_0265_01D14030.71AB88D0-- From covici@ccs.covici.com Sun Dec 27 08:23:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5BD76989 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 08:23:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Inaq3jULMX2e for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 08:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail0131.smtp25.com (mail0131.smtp25.com [75.126.84.131]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C587693F for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 08:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.14.8) with ESMTP id tBR8NVhP014855 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 03:23:32 -0500 From: covici@ccs.covici.com To: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: MH-E 8.5; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14853.1451204611.1@ccs.covici.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 03:23:31 -0500 Message-ID: <14854.1451204611@ccs.covici.com> X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 X-SpamH-Filter: d-out-001.smtp25.com-tBR8NWmO012027 Subject: [orca-list] major gnome problem, not sure but orca may be involved X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 08:23:33 -0000 Hi. I am having a major gnome problem, I am not sure whether orca is involved, but I would appreciate any help. Whenever I go into an app, take gnome-terminal, for example, I get no keyboard activity, typing does nothing -- I get the prompt, but that is it. I can still do right-alt-ctrl-tab to get to the top bar items, but that is all I can do. Firefox gives the same result, so I am very confused as to what is happening. I am not sure exactly when this started happening, sometimes I go for weeks without invoking gnome, or starting gdm, so it could have been some change I made. I am using gnome 3.18 with master from orca and at-spi2 from git. I am using kernel 4.1.15 gentoo and the proprietary nvidia drivers. Thanks in advance for any ideas. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From burt1iband@gmail.com Sun Dec 27 17:39:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3250876989 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 17:39:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fQaxjuQoFs2m for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 17:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f53.google.com (mail-oi0-f53.google.com [209.85.218.53]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5DF7697C for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 17:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f53.google.com with SMTP id o124so165104152oia.1 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 09:39:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=bS5eYCBsLXvAqubT1TP31vWjZtii3jR3HJ0C4eVvGGw=; b=UnROn80ANW+3LxshrATPpqKx1Bs1YI1qxJ3fZDReSe6XdotQ3LI0xwbNt4aoSZiQMx nJ8Smas2FG4ZSNuzd+YMlxH5SR0vMH+aloZsEBE217+kZY5AGBWZk24bCV7oxanm4ZKw xmswSCJagfJrVEZC3WUZ0IlBA/qihtYdCoJBGRWd/UZVEXOCk+VSyVmDugINf8oKg2F4 +6Qw2ZpXk1QauJ0Ojmvr2vR1H6sceWK0AItOQl8UOapM0Ulhks6Q/QHfLswuZ4WWuYO9 /1QHoLJvh4a/1mPb/Y/75+YI+sfPecGFnXaLOLkTV3YLVHnFCjjshs8dnIeQU3kUZb/V ToAA== X-Received: by 10.202.87.194 with SMTP id l185mr28069004oib.52.1451237974204; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 09:39:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.82.183]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n205sm17361287oia.4.2015.12.27.09.39.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 27 Dec 2015 09:39:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:35:43 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: Glenn , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151227173543.GB9587@gmail.com> References: <7AFFAEBD413F41A6BBA9CA8FCA8D50B2@LennyAcer5720> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7AFFAEBD413F41A6BBA9CA8FCA8D50B2@LennyAcer5720> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Still cannot install Voxin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 17:39:34 -0000 I have no specific answer, but would ask if you have checked to see if Ubuntu15.10 is supported by the latest voxin installer. I do not know that there is anything in this release that would effect the installation process, but have noticed over the years that sometimes a while after a new release of a supported distro that a new voxin package comes out updated to support the new release. Perhaps 15.10 is not yet supported. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Glenn wrote: Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 10:54:58PM -0600 > Hi All, > I hope someone can help me figure out how to get Voxin installed on Ubuntu > Mate 15.10. > I had it working on 15.04. > I finally got WIFI working, and I did apt-get update first. > Then in the terminal, as I usually do, I installed Voxin-0.68. > IBM just does not show up in the synth list. > I hear it when it is going through the install process, doing its usual > few words, so it should be installed. > Thanks for any suggestions. > Glenn > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From mallard@ilgerone.net Sun Dec 27 20:51:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9A6762A8 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:51:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qPd3gMJKDB9n for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vps.simocoitalia.it (vps.simocoitalia.it [5.249.144.248]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF4357624D for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (vps.simocoitalia.it [127.0.0.1]) by vps.simocoitalia.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214D97FD48; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 21:51:03 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at vps.simocoitalia.it Received: from vps.simocoitalia.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (5.249.144.248 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Eg3j3Fndqay; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 21:51:01 +0100 (CET) To: "B. Henry" , Glenn , orca-list@gnome.org References: <7AFFAEBD413F41A6BBA9CA8FCA8D50B2@LennyAcer5720> <20151227173543.GB9587@gmail.com> From: Mallard Message-ID: <56804F3A.6040201@ilgerone.net> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 21:51:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151227173543.GB9587@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Still cannot install Voxin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:51:09 -0000 Hello list, Talking about Voxin, A few days ago I tried the links I have for my six voices, and I got a 404 error. I went to the site, and was informed that Oralux suspended distribution of Voxin as of December 2015. Does anyone know what happened, and why this is so? Have they moved the programme to some other site or what? Thanks for any info you can provide. Ciao, Ollie Il 27/12/2015 18:35, B. Henry ha scritto: > I have no specific answer, but would ask if you have checked to see if Ubuntu15.10 is supported by the latest voxin installer. > I do not know that there is anything in this release that would effect the installation process, but have noticed over the years that sometimes a while > after a new release of a supported distro that a new voxin package comes out updated to support the new release. > Perhaps 15.10 is not yet supported. > > From krecoun@gmail.com Sun Dec 27 20:52:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE9E762A8 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:52:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y9olm26zcHUe for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f50.google.com (mail-wm0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F6D7624D for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f50.google.com with SMTP id l126so243984802wml.1 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 12:52:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qljK+4E58WA+RH2k+iZZw+48HjXoBJoILhZod8RWskk=; b=ir4c9EQpeO2BRmB3jb+8SUmAq4IwFUw7Xsj4NwINMTMPw9IXM2CJGJTcmLEjcV40GQ +FFWPmP2ddJikaZjxUbG8h1meJwCQ4QEuLYxcRAltWllO9Q6g4AH8Dg93jK4hi9x498Y ThypK0LxUWJK17ldrF+RzsOTJZxoNQLrVGgE9o2BTwGuqY3OiA0btnQDJABDL4JuHZIX OQTOyBlWSbAc06Bl6YG0YOTntmIRxPRNze0Byf6G6Ns19n9WQ1YxQzVgYSkCy33R4lP3 CKIEI3ZkvT1DLJRZXQz5NsGwDX5+3/JptEVOSa3+tu4Sh59CNvwIzyn7SVbpEYuoxHih eHxw== X-Received: by 10.28.51.141 with SMTP id z135mr13983113wmz.85.1451249520084; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 12:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.146] (cap.ludik.cz. [77.48.7.13]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id w1sm35176158wmd.2.2015.12.27.12.51.57 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 27 Dec 2015 12:51:59 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list From: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56804F6B.7020504@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 21:51:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Orca flat review and rogue like games X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:52:00 -0000 Hi folks, I have a suggestion for Orca, which would certainly improve experience for players of rogue like games. Would it be possible to add keys for flat review, which would reat character located above and below your actual position? This would be great for exploring of maps in games. If there exist any different way of accomplishing this, please tell me about that. Thanks and best regards, Vojta From burt1iband@gmail.com Sun Dec 27 22:51:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD0476A06 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 22:51:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5XHGhZJwO7Qt for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 22:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f43.google.com (mail-oi0-f43.google.com [209.85.218.43]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1DE769CC for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 22:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f43.google.com with SMTP id y66so167040882oig.0 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 14:51:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=4YUkFdkArW8x3qA78glyt3Mad1dJDP7Cii2CmHXZspY=; b=LToHxJvXrYG9uFrfrm4fh8QSbxzz1dc29WxkJbU44zFlO7pn5ENZm38Gnb38gT4/bt cXPTXuzdOM1bxPv8kAwNOSaOKseOdyAhFLrngc1qg9+HbEDJX7bTjVlIyl6Lbf5Yo+Bu uW5FhmHkCr6jiUxKJD8J5jRHL+itYi6hJC65BzSydFTeQvvtq4KVrIf9Uax32NH1Os0w 8tNUYirUf+dxuvxeZxXXF6rZPW8N0Pa1dxphzM/ud++iRBUlVIxgNWYdSF0N8X1h9Pr8 50yS1s3mWWXc06Ql+8fE5UUpocbmeEEqzsGtwFDUOPj4yAUUhgmOrH/qAyL+lKRlR7IY Ymig== X-Received: by 10.202.200.79 with SMTP id y76mr24390143oif.111.1451256715883; Sun, 27 Dec 2015 14:51:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.82.183]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i8sm18188574obt.3.2015.12.27.14.51.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 27 Dec 2015 14:51:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:48:12 -0600 From: "B. Henry" To: Mallard , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20151227224812.GG9587@gmail.com> References: <7AFFAEBD413F41A6BBA9CA8FCA8D50B2@LennyAcer5720> <20151227173543.GB9587@gmail.com> <56804F3A.6040201@ilgerone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56804F3A.6040201@ilgerone.net> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Still cannot install Voxin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 22:51:55 -0000 I checked and it seemed that the suspention was lifted the day after it was put in to place, or certainly with in a couple of days. I've not checked since. Maybe I still have my message to the list regarding this. If so hopefully it has the url in it and I'll check again before I delete the message. If you have the url handy why not try again and see what you get. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Mallard wrote: Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 09:51:06PM +0100 > Hello list, > > Talking about Voxin, A few days ago I tried the links I have for my six > voices, and I got a 404 error. > I went to the site, and was informed that Oralux suspended distribution of > Voxin as of December 2015. > > Does anyone know what happened, and why this is so? > > Have they moved the programme to some other site or what? > > Thanks for any info you can provide. > Ciao, > Ollie > > > > > Il 27/12/2015 18:35, B. Henry ha scritto: > >I have no specific answer, but would ask if you have checked to see if Ubuntu15.10 is supported by the latest voxin installer. > >I do not know that there is anything in this release that would effect the installation process, but have noticed over the years that sometimes a while > >after a new release of a supported distro that a new voxin package comes out updated to support the new release. > >Perhaps 15.10 is not yet supported. > > > > From mallard@ilgerone.net Mon Dec 28 17:27:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8FA769D9 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 17:27:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kUPMJ7G8947x for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 17:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vps.simocoitalia.it (vps.simocoitalia.it [5.249.144.248]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CA7765A3 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 17:27:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (vps.simocoitalia.it [127.0.0.1]) by vps.simocoitalia.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C62C7FD52; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 18:27:29 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at vps.simocoitalia.it Received: from vps.simocoitalia.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (5.249.144.248 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M7zel1nGBsKz; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 18:27:27 +0100 (CET) To: =?UTF-8?B?Vm9qdMSbY2ggUG9sw6HFoWVr?= , orca-list References: <56804F6B.7020504@gmail.com> From: Mallard Message-ID: <56817108.5080604@ilgerone.net> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 18:27:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56804F6B.7020504@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] How do I unsubscribe and resubscribe with a new address please? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 17:27:34 -0000 Hello list, This address is going to be discontinued, and I need to re-subscribe with a new address. I can't see any instructions at the bottom of this list's messages. How can I do that, pelase? Thanks, Happy New Year to all, Ollie From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Dec 28 17:47:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146EC76A36 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 17:47:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tYpx4nuIxDYC for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 17:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br (rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br [177.126.164.22]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96239765A3 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 17:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br (LSOS-MTA) with ESMTP id 3pTmYj3VGNz73pK for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2015 17:47:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Scanned by LSOS-Amavis at rot02c2 X-Spam-Threshold: 5.0 X-Spam-Scanned-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 17:47:53 +0000 X-Spam-Host: rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br X-Spam-System: LSOS-SA X-Spam-LSOS-Flag: NO X-Spam-Relay-Country: X-Spam-Languages: X-Spam-ASN: X-Spam-DCC: X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 17:47:55 -0000 Hi. Take a look at https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list On 12/28/2015 03:27 PM, Mallard wrote: > Hello list, > > This address is going to be discontinued, and I need to re-subscribe > with a new address. > > I can't see any instructions at the bottom of this list's messages. > How can I do that, pelase? > > Thanks, Happy New Year to all, > Ollie > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza From trend669953@gmail.com Tue Dec 29 12:02:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3685E76AC5 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:02:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NlO1uweYTkkO for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf0-f193.google.com (mail-pf0-f193.google.com [209.85.192.193]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B905476AC2 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf0-f193.google.com with SMTP id 78so12444096pfw.0 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 04:02:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8wPIcavlUwDJ71ws2Rvvjo1ix4R5TGemCJQOhvbH3Xo=; b=YbHYL0qisVpwDCpMxEejckfuRntsaY1M/n883RhPtjfDDqWiJheC8XUUBsFadddw8Q Ge0diVYZmVvMTFKGBFmeC/j9weq8PLgvz1upziCezq3KSrkURgcVSh4NighUhmcsShWB PzDxTxzT2wtJTyCkYwRLK43nItoGwgZZCesOHfP9v6oKH0p5FcRnjP//YV9uDs+8518v M6j6U/oPPyJuHtr4HRXSAnSE6C0cP9A5pLKMxIB/7ywKNPr7glSBn6cbtZtZpQFvaEb9 UPCyVfY4pZp1bjY4s4H57w03Gu7CrcOeSZ0jza1vzAu5yZzqxMwCPAwIYxJ5kQf5JzlO yNqA== X-Received: by 10.98.74.82 with SMTP id x79mr18017384pfa.163.1451390578511; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 04:02:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([1.9.102.22]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m1sm82976788pfi.27.2015.12.29.04.02.57 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Dec 2015 04:02:57 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Amir Message-ID: <5682766F.60900@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:02:55 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] orca laggs on large treeview on pidgin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:02:58 -0000 hello, using vinux 5 (ubuntu 14.04), orca 3.18.2, pidgin latest, i've connected my skype accounts (witch has 20+ contacts online) and facebook (witch has maybe around 20 online at that time). but when i went to the treeview, orca freezes. alt tab also doesn't give speech back. any idea? From trend669953@gmail.com Tue Dec 29 12:08:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D6B76AC2 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:08:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bb-L74wYOOBZ for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f66.google.com (mail-pa0-f66.google.com [209.85.220.66]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6806876AB8 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f66.google.com with SMTP id pv5so8983810pac.0 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 04:08:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=r3lGE7foB/7Kku+UZHvwrAH//irP66MZ5B6x9cf8KTM=; b=w1XOOzkNMjBlMqT8L4Xu3w6QxVpAVVoavVxrDdMrqUTQoHHwvePD4l9Q5+f2O2lTQm sRZNnurkeNaIogxcRe68IefUd7YYyEnKVEZqHRLhiaji1nmvy7+99KkSiQsXzRU//04+ ABk2qKXeZn/lnyYUW+9JCHmQN3r1VKfiRc3APZq4p/mydP6LTaolsZcQYn+V8K6+qERI nlzBkj/t3gLh68/GttgWNyGjPnquHYYTOfZCoEa6hqDVB2rGHv/6ZLEyOPUH2H0VPSRO VxMGVSmIO6GlzsP3++3SKmF1v7wxxfT1N/PpyxpqenqZaATJA3zbKvlMKK+DPn4T5wxf gXzA== X-Received: by 10.67.5.2 with SMTP id ci2mr85459374pad.47.1451390929079; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 04:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([1.9.102.22]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i66sm49362053pfj.28.2015.12.29.04.08.47 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Dec 2015 04:08:48 -0800 (PST) To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Amir Message-ID: <568277CE.4030808@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:08:46 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] orca hangs when performing capslock+i on thunderbird message list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:08:48 -0000 hello, using vinux5 (ubuntu14.04), 1.3ghz processor, 4gb ram, orca 3.18.2, thunderbird latest, did capslock+i (speaks the current flat review line) on thunderbird's message list witch has a lot of messages, about 4000 over, freezes orca. Got to kill and restart to get speech back. From vilmar@informal.com.br Tue Dec 29 12:31:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2756176AC6 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:31:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zRzvFBCGFD1d for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br (rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br [177.126.164.22]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A5976AB8 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br (LSOS-MTA) with ESMTP id 3pVFTq04Csz73p3 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:31:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Scanned by LSOS-Amavis at rot02c2 X-Spam-Threshold: 5.0 X-Spam-Scanned-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:31:10 +0000 X-Spam-Host: rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br X-Spam-System: LSOS-SA X-Spam-LSOS-Flag: NO X-Spam-Relay-Country: X-Spam-Languages: X-Spam-ASN: X-Spam-DCC: X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-RBLs: [200.150.145.4] [5 smtp-in-c1.mail.alog.com.br.] X-Spam-Detail: * -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP Received: from rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (LSOS-Amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id q45PFrtRSqVn for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:31:07 +0000 (UTC) X-WhiteBlackList-Status: undef X-WhiteBlackList-Status: undef Received: from [10.0.1.253] (unknown [189.60.74.119]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br (LSOS-MTA) with ESMTPA id 3pVFTk4Nzxz73fW; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:31:05 +0000 (UTC) References: <568277CE.4030808@gmail.com> To: Amir , orca-list@gnome.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica LTDA Message-ID: <56827D76.2040307@informal.com.br> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 10:32:54 -0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <568277CE.4030808@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca hangs when performing capslock+i on thunderbird message list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:31:12 -0000 Hi. This is confirmed, even using orca compiled from master. On 12/29/2015 10:08 AM, Amir wrote: > hello, > using vinux5 (ubuntu14.04), 1.3ghz processor, 4gb ram, orca 3.18.2, > thunderbird latest, did capslock+i (speaks the current flat review > line) on thunderbird's message list witch has a lot of messages, about > 4000 over, freezes orca. Got to kill and restart to get speech back. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Dec 29 13:47:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F2576A7F for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:47:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Si54J4MgwvG9 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E78676A11 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-73-227-184-218.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.227.184.218] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim) id 1aDucY-0006ka-HY; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:47:26 +0100 To: vilmar@informal.com.br References: <568277CE.4030808@gmail.com> <56827D76.2040307@informal.com.br> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <56828E6B.5020408@igalia.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:45:15 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56827D76.2040307@informal.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca hangs when performing capslock+i on thunderbird message list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:47:26 -0000 What seems to be happening is Thunderbird is going non-responsive. I'll see if I can work around this in Orca. --joanie On 12/29/2015 07:32 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi. > This is confirmed, even using orca compiled from master. > > On 12/29/2015 10:08 AM, Amir wrote: >> hello, >> using vinux5 (ubuntu14.04), 1.3ghz processor, 4gb ram, orca 3.18.2, >> thunderbird latest, did capslock+i (speaks the current flat review >> line) on thunderbird's message list witch has a lot of messages, about >> 4000 over, freezes orca. Got to kill and restart to get speech back. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From jdiggs@igalia.com Tue Dec 29 13:50:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74AE76AAC for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:50:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tvxIm47SWSfm for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255A376A11 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-73-227-184-218.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([73.227.184.218] helo=[192.168.35.100]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim) id 1aDufJ-0006lf-CM; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:50:17 +0100 To: Amir References: <5682766F.60900@gmail.com> From: Joanmarie Diggs Message-ID: <56828F17.60107@igalia.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:48:07 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5682766F.60900@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca laggs on large treeview on pidgin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:50:16 -0000 This one I cannot reproduce. --joanie On 12/29/2015 07:02 AM, Amir wrote: > hello, > using vinux 5 (ubuntu 14.04), orca 3.18.2, pidgin latest, i've connected > my skype accounts (witch has 20+ contacts online) and facebook (witch > has maybe around 20 online at that time). but when i went to the > treeview, orca freezes. alt tab also doesn't give speech back. > > any idea? > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > From krmane@openmailbox.org Tue Dec 29 14:01:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DCE76AA4 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:01:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PvlTyFZ0aZoG for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp22.openmailbox.org (smtp22.openmailbox.org [62.4.1.56]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8D276A11 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail2.openmailbox.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 31C6D7C2BD9; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 15:01:23 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org; s=openmailbox; t=1451397683; bh=RIQ7nWGfnCAkoWeY8+eq66Eg3YetoilOfhLhvcXwz98=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=CgbwzVv6bT7C7HPJlSTwi+JvloDDdTOdmToBexqn2sMZ42lh+R7rxA/sCoYIXqik6 boMQ5pEPiAHJYgLq2EIa9QcdjjVI2GNjQqG17qrPkT2fNXyxJl2DxsQh0Kktdnri2x PUR/8MHFlwIg4HfrYVN2dE+KOYh6fcwxjhNBm1GI= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org; s=openmailbox; t=1451397673; bh=RIQ7nWGfnCAkoWeY8+eq66Eg3YetoilOfhLhvcXwz98=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=kbWtzmZUAIzY0SPLcdQo4vLjhYx0x5mk/pL8Ln8YmmJDk1cdmzzY0D4nCh2nfPGSv SvbMU6/gmU4IJQLeMItDor8ZEcHo5mGgincTauu9hgJ4ZHfn5Xjd2NvePRbvicDxUH suqx74WmdvP4g9eAMW+cME5VAAGYEBxEOfkLj52M= To: Joanmarie Diggs , Amir References: <5682766F.60900@gmail.com> <56828F17.60107@igalia.com> From: Krishnakant Message-ID: <56829218.1050809@openmailbox.org> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:30:56 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56828F17.60107@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca laggs on large treeview on pidgin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:01:23 -0000 I can reproduce this very well, although I have more than 50 active users on fb. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On Tuesday 29 December 2015 07:18 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > This one I cannot reproduce. > --joanie > > On 12/29/2015 07:02 AM, Amir wrote: >> hello, >> using vinux 5 (ubuntu 14.04), orca 3.18.2, pidgin latest, i've connected >> my skype accounts (witch has 20+ contacts online) and facebook (witch >> has maybe around 20 online at that time). but when i went to the >> treeview, orca freezes. alt tab also doesn't give speech back. >> >> any idea? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ >> GNOME Universal Access guide: >> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org From krmane@openmailbox.org Tue Dec 29 19:14:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1765E76AA4 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:14:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.702 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.702 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WDUvIisoDBwL for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.openmailbox.org (mail2.openmailbox.org [62.4.1.33]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACAE76A0B for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail2.openmailbox.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A29CD2AC3141; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:14:33 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org; s=openmailbox; t=1451416473; bh=7rEq1yldX+HIL8UO8Bp5R9qS+IHLijgkuT26zdKz6tY=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=aO5pznW3OLEaOOMShwQhQ0sR3ggOp8C1TKio6AGwErFYE/ROt6lLhQ36NhLZNsGmn i73NlLE+4eCjh6Cnenui7gghQ7kwrQxhxJnCHsNSz8hTxRDLI/428phZLFLumgHWBI JgG6e4KSmMVTc2f2k0g/ObKUpr1bn50PZuYOxD4g= To: Orca List DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org; s=openmailbox; t=1451416473; bh=7rEq1yldX+HIL8UO8Bp5R9qS+IHLijgkuT26zdKz6tY=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=aO5pznW3OLEaOOMShwQhQ0sR3ggOp8C1TKio6AGwErFYE/ROt6lLhQ36NhLZNsGmn i73NlLE+4eCjh6Cnenui7gghQ7kwrQxhxJnCHsNSz8hTxRDLI/428phZLFLumgHWBI JgG6e4KSmMVTc2f2k0g/ObKUpr1bn50PZuYOxD4g= From: Krishnakant Message-ID: <5682DB8B.7060302@openmailbox.org> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 00:44:19 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] are sights made in angular js accessible? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:14:34 -0000 hello all, I guess the subject line says it all. am going to require to access a web portal and the front end is written using angular js. Has any one come across any accessibility issue? happy hacking. Krishnakant. 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[24.16.165.241]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fc8sm89916749pab.21.2015.12.29.12.00.12 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:00:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 12:00:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: tom@Tom-M2800 To: Krishnakant In-Reply-To: <5682DB8B.7060302@openmailbox.org> Message-ID: References: <5682DB8B.7060302@openmailbox.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.10 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] are sights made in angular js accessible? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: kd7cyu@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:00:14 -0000 Angular js in and of itself does not create inaccessible pages. As I recall it is in essence a super set of jsquery and a variety of addons. I hae used sites built with it without any real problems. I does of course depend on the people using angular. Bad design can make any site inaccesible but angular should not be the root cause. Tom On Wed, 30 Dec 2015, Krishnakant wrote: > hello all, > I guess the subject line says it all. > am going to require to access a web portal and the front end is written > using angular js. > Has any one come across any accessibility issue? > happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ > GNOME Universal Access guide: > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >